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One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? |
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"diy-newby" wrote in message ... Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? Well you've answered your own question in part! Don't apply too much is a good start. Don't assume all can be put right by the magic finger, ie make the bead as good as you can. The poorer sealant sometimes goes on easier but it's worth persevering with the better stuff. -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not) |
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"diy-newby" wrote in message ... Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? How can you apply too much? it comes out of the tube nozzle in a 1.5 mm string. Cotinuation of the string is a good start and then keep the finger wet all the time wiping of the the excess as you go. If the gap is wider than the string then apply another string after you have wiped the first string smooth. |
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Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=A236074&ts=89083&id=28167 as recently mentioned here, & http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?id=28635&ts=88983 -- Si |
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On 2007-10-26 09:40:56 +0100, "diy-newby" said:
Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? I don't know, but I can recommend the Fugenboy (Screwfix 28167). This is a set of shaping tools in a particular plastic which does not particularly adhere to the fugen (sealer). Then you need some water with washing up liquid added as a release agent and some paper kitchen roll. Decide on which profile you want to have - there are curved and angled ones of different sizes. Apply the sealerbut don't overdo it, then wet the tool (as it were) and run along the join. When there is build up, wipe the tool clean with kitchen paper moistened with the water/detergent and continue. Finally with a clean tool wetted again, run along the entire join. There is a better product called Fugen Ass (www.fugenass.info). I bought one of these in France. For some reason, the company has not managed to market it vrey well in the UK. |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:40:56 +0100, diy-newby wrote:
How on earth have they done that? Not applied to much in the first place (cut nozzle to width of gap), applied in one long non stop operation, possibly masking, using a professional sealant (these tend to be thicker/stickier than the DIY formulations but skin quicker) and probably the most important, lots of learnt skill. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:40:56 +0100, "diy-newby" wrote:
Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? I hate the stuff - the previous owner of this house used it to fill *everything* instead of caulk or filler. Along skirtings, as wood filler, in plaster walls....renovating has been a nightmare getting it all off, especially as he has not only used it for everything, but smeared it all over the place. |
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I always use masking tape or selotape.
"diy-newby" wrote in message ... Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? |
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Andy Hall wrote:
There is a better product called Fugen Ass (www.fugenass.info). I bought one of these in France. For some reason, the company has not managed to market it vrey well in the UK. Yes, looks interesting, and you can buy it online http://www.fugenass.info/hs_engl/index_engl.htm |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:40:56 +0100, diy-newby wrote: How on earth have they done that? Not applied to much in the first place (cut nozzle to width of gap), applied in one long non stop operation, possibly masking, using a professional sealant (these tend to be thicker/stickier than the DIY formulations but skin quicker) and probably the most important, lots of learnt skill. People tend to squeeze the trigger too much at the start. One light squeeze is usually enough to bring the sealant up to the hole. Any more and you start with excess pressure in the cartridge, which makes it difficult to control |
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"diy-newby" wrote in message ...
Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? This is a demonstration of the Fugi that folk have recommended. It makes it look so easy. http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/-13240 I recently picked up a JML 4 tool set for £2.99 in in-store http://www.jmldirect.com/Bathroom-an...Wizard-PB4139/ Steven |
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Steven wrote:
This is a demonstration of the Fugi that folk have recommended. It makes it look so easy. http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/-13240 Steven It does look easy on that video! Without accusing them of special effects - it looks too easy, especially where he wipes it across a joint and there is no absolutely no mess left behind. What sort of plastic is this tool made from... coloured PTFE maybe? I'm not trying to say that it is a gimmick, as I know that a lot of people use them, but the demo video seems too good to be true! Steve |
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"diy-newby" wrote in message ... Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? I have always used what I call my silicone spoons: http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/invt/0150142 There are also other methods: Using a teaspoon, and using masking tape (and a combination of the two) Bob |
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writes "diy-newby" wrote in message ... Hi guys One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? This is a demonstration of the Fugi that folk have recommended. It makes it look so easy. http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/-13240 I recently picked up a JML 4 tool set for £2.99 in in-store http://www.jmldirect.com/Bathroom-an...Wizard-PB4139/ Cheapest place I've found to buy the Fugi is http://www.byretech.com/acatalog/Fugi_III.html They also have the 2 piece set. Dunno anything about these people but they say they offer next day delivery at no cost. So that'll mean Tuesday. -- Si |
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Steven wrote: This is a demonstration of the Fugi that folk have recommended. It makes it look so easy. http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/-13240 Steven It does look easy on that video! Without accusing them of special effects - it looks too easy, especially where he wipes it across a joint and there is no absolutely no mess left behind. What sort of plastic is this tool made from... coloured PTFE maybe? I'm not trying to say that it is a gimmick, as I know that a lot of people use them, but the demo video seems too good to be true! Using netscape, I can hear the sound but not view the video :-( Dave |
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:19:37 GMT, Stuart Noble wrote:
People tend to squeeze the trigger too much at the start. One light squeeze is usually enough to bring the sealant up to the hole. Any more and you start with excess pressure in the cartridge, which makes it difficult to control Aye, you need a steady flow of sealant and vary the speed of the nozzle depending on the depth of the gap being filled. Cut the nozzle at an angle hold about 90 deg to the gap with the opening facing the direction of travel. You then squeeze and move the nozzle (the tip touching both sides of the gap) aiming to keep the size of the sealant buldge at the opening constant and within the two points of contact. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Using netscape, I can hear the sound but not view the video :-( Dave I dunno Dave - it works fine with Firefox, Opera and Konqurer on Linux. Maybe needs settings changed. Steve |
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One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? Have a look here, with particular attention on the application section and links: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...licone_Sealant -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Using netscape, I can hear the sound but not view the video :-( Dave I dunno Dave - it works fine with Firefox, Opera and Konqurer on Linux. Maybe needs settings changed. More likely a odec problem. Bob |
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"Bob Smith" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Using netscape, I can hear the sound but not view the video :-( Dave I dunno Dave - it works fine with Firefox, Opera and Konqurer on Linux. Maybe needs settings changed. More likely a odec problem. Bob Umm, *codec* Bob |
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On 2007-10-27 00:39:37 +0100, "Bob Smith"
said: "Bob Smith" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Using netscape, I can hear the sound but not view the video :-( Dave I dunno Dave - it works fine with Firefox, Opera and Konqurer on Linux. Maybe needs settings changed. More likely a odec problem. Bob Umm, *codec* Bob Perhaps it got truncated. |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On 2007-10-27 00:39:37 +0100, "Bob Smith" said: "Bob Smith" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Using netscape, I can hear the sound but not view the video :-( Dave I dunno Dave - it works fine with Firefox, Opera and Konqurer on Linux. Maybe needs settings changed. More likely a odec problem. Bob Umm, *codec* Bob Perhaps it got truncated. Definitely finger trouble - I don't have a trunk. Bob |
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On 26 Oct 2007 11:41:28 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2007-10-26, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:40:56 +0100, diy-newby wrote: How on earth have they done that? Not applied to much in the first place (cut nozzle to width of gap), applied in one long non stop operation, possibly masking, using a professional sealant (these tend to be thicker/stickier than the DIY formulations but skin quicker) and probably the most important, lots of learnt skill. I was tlaking to a window fitter about this a couple of weeks ago and he said it's down to practise, and lots of it. The standard DIY problem; this is the first and only time you do a job. It's a knack. Most people buy a gun and a tube of sealant and have straight at the job in hand...which soon turns into the job *on* hand... Best bet is to nail a couple of bits of wood together and spend some time practicing beforehand. This at least gives you some idea of the flow rate per trigger pressure and the best angle of attack. Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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John Rumm wrote:
diy-newby wrote: One job I hate doing is applying silicone sealant. I ALWAYS end up covered in the stuff. My general method for applying is:- Apply the silicone and smooth off with a wet finger. I usually apply too much and end up gathering a finger full whilst smoothing. Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? Have a look here, with particular attention on the application section and links: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...licone_Sealant Only thing I can add is lots of nearly neat washing up liquid makes all the difference. With a layer of that on a finger one can sculpt it to heart's content. NT |
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Cheapest place I've found to buy the Fugi is http://www.byretech.com/acatalog/Fugi_III.html They also have the 2 piece set. Dunno anything about these people but they say they offer next day delivery at no cost. So that'll mean Tuesday. -- Si Ordered mine Saturday pm, email on Monday am to say they'd despatched it, arrived Tuesday am. No delivery charge. Great service! David |
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"Paul Matthews" wrote in message
... diy-newby wrote: Anyone have any tips for applying silicone? Reason I ask is, work have just had a new kitchen and toilets fitted and the silicone on there looks perfect. Nice straight lines, over over smear and even the corners look to be at right angles!!! How on earth have they done that? Practice? I use http://www.plumbworld.co.uk/739-13240 Please keep up at the back ;o) That was posted a week ago. |
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