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http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/certifysparks/
The colleague who set this up says: A couple of years ago the UK Government passed legislation that has the effect of making it _illegal_ for people to carry out electrical work in their own homes, without involving the Local Authority and paying a hefty inspection fee (typically hundreds of pounds). The only people who will be able to avoid inspection are those deemed competent by a small number of electrical trade bodies, such as the NICEIC. Understandably, these trade bodies have refused to create a test of competence for homeowners. It is only possible to be competent if you happen to work for one of their members. Academic qualifications and practical experience count for nothing. I am petitioning the Prime Minister to take this power away from the trade bodies, and replace it with an independent, national competence test for electrical work, accessible to anybody. If you are a DIY enthusiast, or expect to carry out electrical work in your own home at any point in the future, please sign my petition, at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/certifysparks/ It will only take two minutes of your time. Please feel free to contact me if you are uncertain about the issues involved. -- geoff |
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raden wrote:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/certifysparks/ The colleague who set this up says: A couple of years ago the UK Government passed legislation that has the effect of making it _illegal_ for people to carry out electrical work in their own homes, without involving the Local Authority and paying a hefty inspection fee (typically hundreds of pounds). The only people who will be able to avoid inspection are those deemed competent by a small number of electrical trade bodies, such as the NICEIC. Understandably, these trade bodies have refused to create a test of competence for homeowners. It is only possible to be competent if you happen to work for one of their members. Academic qualifications and practical experience count for nothing. I am petitioning the Prime Minister to take this power away from the trade bodies, and replace it with an independent, national competence test for electrical work, accessible to anybody. If you are a DIY enthusiast, or expect to carry out electrical work in your own home at any point in the future, please sign my petition, at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/certifysparks/ It will only take two minutes of your time. Please feel free to contact me if you are uncertain about the issues involved. Done! But I don't think that these online petitions do much good except for eventually getting a reply, saying that while they hear what you say - they are not going to change anything. Maybe big business needs to get involved for things to change. Perhaps B&Q, Wickes, Homebase and others could be persuaded to make the petition available for physical signing in their stores and possibly to lobby for changes themselves. They, surely, must have lost a loads of trade now that a lot of householders have been frightened off D-I-Y electrical work by this ill-considered legislation. Just an idea ... Steve |
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Steve writes: Done! But I don't think that these online petitions do much good except for eventually getting a reply, saying that while they hear what you say - they are not going to change anything. Maybe big business needs to get involved for things to change. Perhaps B&Q, Wickes, Homebase and others could be persuaded to make the petition available for physical signing in their stores and possibly to lobby for changes themselves. They, surely, must have lost a loads of trade now that a lot of householders have been frightened off D-I-Y electrical work by this ill-considered legislation. I doubt 90% of their customers even know the legislation exists, and wouldn't care even if they did. -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article , Steve writes: Done! But I don't think that these online petitions do much good except for eventually getting a reply, saying that while they hear what you say - they are not going to change anything. Maybe big business needs to get involved for things to change. Perhaps B&Q, Wickes, Homebase and others could be persuaded to make the petition available for physical signing in their stores and possibly to lobby for changes themselves. They, surely, must have lost a loads of trade now that a lot of householders have been frightened off D-I-Y electrical work by this ill-considered legislation. I doubt 90% of their customers even know the legislation exists, and wouldn't care even if they did. True. I wish that I did not know about it! This could be a way of telling those lucky people who keep their head in the sand that the Government has done the dirty on them ;-) Steve Steve |
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In message , raden
writes I am petitioning the Prime Minister to take this power away from the trade bodies, and replace it with an independent, national competence test for electrical work, accessible to anybody. If you are a DIY enthusiast, or expect to carry out electrical work in your own home at any point in the future, please sign my petition, at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/certifysparks/ Nicely worded. I suppose the *up side* of trade body involvement is the CPD (continuing professional development) that this government has been pushing for the last ten years. Maybe the certificate should be restricted to *own home* and for the life of whatever IEE regulations are current at the time of the test? regards -- Tim Lamb |
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I suppose the *up side* of trade body involvement is the CPD (continuing professional development) that this government has been pushing for the last ten years. Maybe the certificate should be restricted to *own home* and for the life of whatever IEE regulations are current at the time of the test? Regulation of competence *should* be a matter for the IEE. However all the IEE manage to do for the exorbitant membership fees they charge me is maintain a marble museum on the Strand - they do nothing of real benefit to members. |
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In message om,
" writes I suppose the *up side* of trade body involvement is the CPD (continuing professional development) that this government has been pushing for the last ten years. Maybe the certificate should be restricted to *own home* and for the life of whatever IEE regulations are current at the time of the test? Regulation of competence *should* be a matter for the IEE. However all the IEE manage to do for the exorbitant membership fees they charge me is maintain a marble museum on the Strand - they do nothing of real benefit to members. They used to do *training* at the marble museum whenever a new set of regs. were introduced. You need to park at the Savoy though:-) regards -- Tim Lamb |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:45:03 GMT Steve wrote :
Perhaps B&Q, Wickes, Homebase and others could be persuaded to make the petition available for physical signing in their stores and possibly to lobby for changes themselves. They, surely, must have lost a loads of trade now that a lot of householders have been frightened off D-I-Y electrical work by this ill-considered legislation. If it had affected their sales they would have reduced the shelf space accordingly and given it to other things. No evidence of that round here. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk |
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