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Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved -- geoff |
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In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved IIRC the hamsters were rated at 6 LEDs, ie 6 x 20mA x 2v = 0.24 watts each. Now if we can house 100 rats in a cage, and the rats put out 2x as much as a hamster, that would get us 50w output, with garbage and water for input. Additional free outputs would be dry turd for cooking fuel and freshly dead meat for animal feed. Rats are nearly free, as it costs very little to catch and breed them. South Africa has average 50w electrical consumption per head, with poorer countries having less. Houses and villages without electricity are widespread. Scrap electrical equipment is abundant enough to manufacture the equipment with no significant material cost. People in poor areas could have 50w of electric light for the cost of assembling the equipment plus giving the rats access to garbage. If using only 1w LED reading lights, as the smaller solar power projects use, such a setup could permit dozens of families to study and learn after sundown. But the LEDs are not cheap. OTOH VFDs from videos and microwave are scrap, and are fairly efficient and last decades. 3 of those makes reading possible, and gives very dim room lighting. And they run direct off low voltage, wanting typ 30v for anode and 2v for filament. 30v power transmission on bell wire would be cheap and safe, and a small transistor chopper could feed the filament with chopped 30v. The 3 wire system much used in the 1930s would permit mixed 30/60v transmission, with some houses getting +30 and some -30v, and reduce transmission losses and cost. Scaling things up, one roofed shelter 4m x 4m could house 6x 18" high floors of rats, each 4mx4m in size. For want of any accurate figures lets guesstimate at 20cm x 20cm per rat, giving 400 rats per floor or 2400 rats in the one shelter. This could generate 1.2kW, supplying a whole village with basic lighting, and requiring customers to dump their rubbish at the facility for the rats to sift and eat. It would also be a rubbish disposal facility improving neighbourhood hygiene, generate dry fuel, and rat meat. If rats live 2 years average, we get a meat yield of 1200 rats per year, or 3-4 per day. About enough to fed one cat. Generators could be braked during hours when generation is not needed to help ensure max output during the evenings. The question is would customers pay enough to make it run financially. NT |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote:
In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit. We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way around the Earth. -- Frank Erskine Sunderland |
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote: In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit. Ah but the farts should be methane rich. So if you plumb the little blighter in, you now have a new source of natural gas! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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This! We feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats and get the cat skins for nothing! (with appologies to the 131 year old business plan http://www.snopes.com/critters/disposal/catrat.htm) Yes, that classic all output no input engine. Using inputs that are considered waste is the key. NT |
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Staffbull wrote: http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html Do you think I should market it infront of Alan Sugar ??? |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:09:34 +0100, Frank Erskine
wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote: In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit. We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way around the Earth. Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at some geen swapping...? -- Get away from it all http://www.travelfreebies.co.uk/thomson-holidays.htm Late deals, mega cheap flights and bargains |
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mogga wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:09:34 +0100, Frank Erskine wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote: In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit. We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way around the Earth. Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at some geen swapping...? -- Get away from it all http://www.travelfreebies.co.uk/thomson-holidays.htm Late deals, mega cheap flights and bargains Seems ironic, you are posting about roos not farting and advertising cheap flights !! :-) I wonder how many tonnes of co2 a 747 or 777 pump out on a cross altalntic run ? and the A380 will be worse !! |
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On 12 Oct 2006 06:00:07 -0700, "Staffbull"
wrote: Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at some geen swapping...? -- Get away from it all http://www.travelfreebies.co.uk/thomson-holidays.htm Late deals, mega cheap flights and bargains Seems ironic, you are posting about roos not farting and advertising cheap flights !! :-) I wonder how many tonnes of co2 a 747 or 777 pump out on a cross altalntic run ? and the A380 will be worse !! It probably is isn't it. I should have a different one at the moment but agent seems to be having a dizzy turn about it at the moment. Is that better? -- http://www.halloweenfreebies.co.uk http://www.bingohoroscope.co.uk http://www.simfreebies.co.uk |
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wrote: raden wrote: In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved Scaling things up, one roofed shelter 4m x 4m could house 6x 18" high floors of rats, each 4mx4m in size. That's a big ****in' rat. ;-) Heh. Maybe that what the labs will give us in 2050, the Power Rat, 500w output. NT |
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In message , Frank Erskine
writes On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote: In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit. Rather - methane, much worse for the ozone layer, but more useful as fuel (see discussion last week regarding cows) We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way around the Earth. -- geoff |
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writes On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:09:34 +0100, Frank Erskine wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:35 GMT, raden wrote: In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved It all depends on the hamster's farting habits, doesn't it? If the farts contain too much CO2, we're buggered, innit. We have also to take into account the food miles involved in the feeding of the pet. I have no idea what hamsters are fed on, possibly greens - presumably these haven't got to be transported half way around the Earth. Was it on QI about kangeroos not farting and scientists looking at some geen swapping...? See my post on the cow debate -- geoff |
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Staffbull writes Staffbull wrote: http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html Do you think I should market it infront of Alan Sugar ??? No wait your turn ... -- geoff |
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raden wrote: In message . com, Staffbull writes http://www.otherpower.com/hamster.html The planet is saved IIRC the hamsters were rated at 6 LEDs, ie 6 x 20mA x 2v = 0.24 watts each. Now if we can house 100 rats in a cage, and the rats put out 2x as much as a hamster, that would get us 50w output, with garbage and water for input. Additional free outputs would be dry turd for cooking fuel and freshly dead meat for animal feed. Rats are nearly free, as it costs very little to catch and breed them. South Africa has average 50w electrical consumption per head, with poorer countries having less. Houses and villages without electricity are widespread. Scrap electrical equipment is abundant enough to manufacture the equipment with no significant material cost. People in poor areas could have 50w of electric light for the cost of assembling the equipment plus giving the rats access to garbage. If using only 1w LED reading lights, as the smaller solar power projects use, such a setup could permit dozens of families to study and learn after sundown. But the LEDs are not cheap. OTOH VFDs from videos and microwave are scrap, and are fairly efficient and last decades. 3 of those makes reading possible, and gives very dim room lighting. And they run direct off low voltage, wanting typ 30v for anode and 2v for filament. 30v power transmission on bell wire would be cheap and safe, and a small transistor chopper could feed the filament with chopped 30v. The 3 wire system much used in the 1930s would permit mixed 30/60v transmission, with some houses getting +30 and some -30v, and reduce transmission losses and cost. Scaling things up, one roofed shelter 4m x 4m could house 6x 18" high floors of rats, each 4mx4m in size. For want of any accurate figures lets guesstimate at 20cm x 20cm per rat, giving 400 rats per floor or 2400 rats in the one shelter. This could generate 1.2kW, supplying a whole village with basic lighting, and requiring customers to dump their rubbish at the facility for the rats to sift and eat. It would also be a rubbish disposal facility improving neighbourhood hygiene, generate dry fuel, and rat meat. If rats live 2 years average, we get a meat yield of 1200 rats per year, or 3-4 per day. About enough to fed one cat. Generators could be braked during hours when generation is not needed to help ensure max output during the evenings. The question is would customers pay enough to make it run financially. NT The experiment has been started, but using dogs due to higher expected output power. http://tinyurl.com/yfhxeh NT |
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