[simbac]

Hi,

Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be stinking out a bathroom? when the shower is used or the bath is drained too quickly it backs up and stinks! BUT only some of the time.

We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with this, the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!

Is there a way to fix this or is it better to replace the unit? Does anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be stinking
out a bathroom? when the shower is used or the bath is drained too
quickly it backs up and stinks! BUT only some of the time.

We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with
this, the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!

Is there a way to fix this or is it better to replace the unit? Does
anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

They are notorious in this NG for causing problems. A Google search on the
word will reveal tales of woe. The bottom line is get rid of it!

Peter Crosland

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:12:16 +0100, simbac wrote:

Hi,

Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be stinking
out a bathroom? when the shower is used or the bath is drained too
quickly it backs up and stinks! BUT only some of the time.

We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with
this, the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!

Is there a way to fix this or is it better to replace the unit? Does
anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/humour.html
http://www.diybanter.com/printthread.php?t=4372

They are notorious in this NG for causing problems. A Google search on the
word will reveal tales of woe. The bottom line is get rid of it!

I believe their top of the range macerator is quite a different beast
(spotted it in a post some time ago) and might even be worth considering

simbac wrote:
We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with
this, the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!


Sue the lying sods!

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:12:16 +0100, simbac
wrote:


Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be stinking
out a bathroom?

Because it is designed by the French as a cunning form of biological
warfare to use against the British. Contrary to their name they are
not sanitary and rarely flow.

when the shower is used or the bath is drained too
quickly it backs up and stinks! BUT only some of the time.

The hideous devices are a monument to incompetent design. They
combine a motor with low starting torque, a mincer borrowed from
Moulinex and a concept so completely inane that it is beyond rational
belief. The Saniplus added additional "functions" to the standard
dastardly box to allow it to be used with a shower and bath. To
achieve this they added various flap valves and (note carefully) a
"carbon filter", with no explanation of why one might be needed
although one can guess.

Now, instead of merely having a box for mincing excrement which
blocks whenever anything which hasn't gone through the human
alimentary tract is put in it they have added valves. Valves which
leak, which catch hairs from the sink and shower and stop working
properly. When they stop working properly the contents of the mincer
get backfed into the bath and shower and sink.

Initially this happens intermittently but soon it will be every time
it is used. If you like washing in the toilet bowl this isn't an
issue. It also isn't a fault - it is a design feature. The French,
as everyone knows, don't use showers or baths so the designers
assumed the valves would only need to function occasionally and
designed them accordingly.

We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with
this,

The best solution is to torch the house now.

the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!

I'm sure they had no problems with the house. The Sanibog would be a
different matter. Saniflo owners develop a mental black hole when it
comes to the hideous devices. Point at the loo it is connected to
and they will claim no toilet exists. It is a necessary form of self
protection mechanism as the reality is many times worse than the
delusion.

Saniflos block. They all block. They are completely incompatible
with children for two reasons. Firstly they block when the child
puts anything other than emanations from its body down them (children
like the nice noises they make when fed teaspoons). Secondly they
block when you try to put the child down them having discovered what
it has done. They are incompatible with females - females cannot
exist without cotton wool - Saniflos cannot co-exist with cotton
wool. One Saniflo owner adopted the same technique he used on his
small boat which had a temperamental sea toilet. He accompanied
users to the facility and at the appropriate time yanked them off the
throne and inspected the pan contents before allowing flushing to
take place.

You can tell houses with Saniflos - request by visitors to go to the
loo are greeted with looks of absolute horror and they are handed the
key to the neighbours front door. The toilet door incorporates a
metal detector and the bowl is under CCTV surveillance. The loo roll
dispenser is computer controlled and issues no more than one sheet
every 25 minutes.

The kitchen in Saniflo houses is a temple to prunes. Prune juice is
followed by porridge and prunes for breakfast. Lunch is prune
omelette, dinner a nice glass of prune juice followed by prune
cocktail, steak and prunes and prune jelly. Supper will be prune jam
on toast.

"No problems" when applied to a Saniflo does not mean "no" or
"problem" in the accepted meaning of the words. If one of their
periodic malfunctions does not lead to a Biohazard team turning up at
your doorstep and as long as you are let out of hospital in less than
a month and without growing an extra eye or limb the event does not
count as a problem

Is there a way to fix this

Yes - destroy the Saniflo or demolish the house.

or is it better to replace the unit?

If you are severely masochistic. The next will do exactly the same
and changing a unit is not something one does without arranging an
extensive course of prophylactic antibiotics and various
inoculations.

Does anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

What has honesty got to do with it? Firstly there is no evidence at
all that Saniflo employ engineers anywhere at all within the
organisation. Secondly, if they did they wouldn't be out fixing
sludgebuckets. You might find a local plumber desperate enough to
open it up but you can guarantee you will find any quote multiplying
by an order of magnitude as soon as you mention "saniflo".

To clean it (which is all it needs - regularly) usually involves
removing the offending article. The plumber who installed it (who
will never come back to repair it) probably giggled as he put it in
the most inaccessible place in the house (I've seen one installed in
an attic behind the bathroom wall).

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".

When removed (and the bathroom floor cut out, burned and replaced)
the box can be opened to reveal a sludge of old excrement, hair
residue and grey slime from soap remains lining the structure and
obstructing the valves - think of it as cholesterol for bogs.

This detritus has to be scraped out. It is wise to arrange suitable
containment and disposal experts to be present to remove it if one
wishes to avoid a visit and free door restructuring at 04:00 by SO12.

Assuming the protective suit remains intact most maintainers survive
this procedure but Gangrene, Flux, Gleet, Beriberi, Black pox,
Cholera, Mormal and Hectic fever are common amongst the poor souls
forced by circumstance to seek a wage this way.

The valves, once scraped clean of the encrusting material, will
function again for a short time but as inevitably as a cholesterol
soaked heart will clog again.

There are only two ways of preventing Sanibog malfunctions. The
first is never to use them, the second, and most reliable, is to
remove them entirely.

The whole idea of having a glorified food processor stuck under your
loo to mince the effluent (if it can) and pump it under pressure
through a tiny pipe is simply mind bogglingly crazy. To expect such
a device to work without fault for any length of time is a triumph of
hope over intelligence.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:12:16 +0100 someone who may be simbac
wrote this:-

Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be stinking
out a bathroom?

There could be several reasons.

Is there a way to fix this or is it better to replace the unit? Does
anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

I installed one for a toilet in a house largely occupied by persons
of the female persuasion about five years ago and it has worked fine
ever since. However, I only installed it because it was a lot easier
and cheaper then gravity drainage. They should only ever be used for
secondary toilets/bathrooms, for obvious reasons. If this is your
main bathroom then I would look at re-arranging the house layout.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Peter Parry wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:12:16 +0100, simbac
wrote:


Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be stinking
out a bathroom?

Because it is designed by the French as a cunning form of biological
warfare to use against the British. Contrary to their name they are
not sanitary and rarely flow.

when the shower is used or the bath is drained too
quickly it backs up and stinks! BUT only some of the time.

The hideous devices are a monument to incompetent design. They
combine a motor with low starting torque, a mincer borrowed from
Moulinex and a concept so completely inane that it is beyond rational
belief. The Saniplus added additional "functions" to the standard
dastardly box to allow it to be used with a shower and bath. To
achieve this they added various flap valves and (note carefully) a
"carbon filter", with no explanation of why one might be needed
although one can guess.

Now, instead of merely having a box for mincing excrement which
blocks whenever anything which hasn't gone through the human
alimentary tract is put in it they have added valves. Valves which
leak, which catch hairs from the sink and shower and stop working
properly. When they stop working properly the contents of the mincer
get backfed into the bath and shower and sink.

Initially this happens intermittently but soon it will be every time
it is used. If you like washing in the toilet bowl this isn't an
issue. It also isn't a fault - it is a design feature. The French,
as everyone knows, don't use showers or baths so the designers
assumed the valves would only need to function occasionally and
designed them accordingly.

We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with
this,

The best solution is to torch the house now.

the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!

I'm sure they had no problems with the house. The Sanibog would be a
different matter. Saniflo owners develop a mental black hole when it
comes to the hideous devices. Point at the loo it is connected to
and they will claim no toilet exists. It is a necessary form of self
protection mechanism as the reality is many times worse than the
delusion.

Saniflos block. They all block. They are completely incompatible
with children for two reasons. Firstly they block when the child
puts anything other than emanations from its body down them (children
like the nice noises they make when fed teaspoons). Secondly they
block when you try to put the child down them having discovered what
it has done. They are incompatible with females - females cannot
exist without cotton wool - Saniflos cannot co-exist with cotton
wool. One Saniflo owner adopted the same technique he used on his
small boat which had a temperamental sea toilet. He accompanied
users to the facility and at the appropriate time yanked them off the
throne and inspected the pan contents before allowing flushing to
take place.

You can tell houses with Saniflos - request by visitors to go to the
loo are greeted with looks of absolute horror and they are handed the
key to the neighbours front door. The toilet door incorporates a
metal detector and the bowl is under CCTV surveillance. The loo roll
dispenser is computer controlled and issues no more than one sheet
every 25 minutes.

The kitchen in Saniflo houses is a temple to prunes. Prune juice is
followed by porridge and prunes for breakfast. Lunch is prune
omelette, dinner a nice glass of prune juice followed by prune
cocktail, steak and prunes and prune jelly. Supper will be prune jam
on toast.

"No problems" when applied to a Saniflo does not mean "no" or
"problem" in the accepted meaning of the words. If one of their
periodic malfunctions does not lead to a Biohazard team turning up at
your doorstep and as long as you are let out of hospital in less than
a month and without growing an extra eye or limb the event does not
count as a problem

Is there a way to fix this

Yes - destroy the Saniflo or demolish the house.

or is it better to replace the unit?

If you are severely masochistic. The next will do exactly the same
and changing a unit is not something one does without arranging an
extensive course of prophylactic antibiotics and various
inoculations.

Does anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

What has honesty got to do with it? Firstly there is no evidence at
all that Saniflo employ engineers anywhere at all within the
organisation. Secondly, if they did they wouldn't be out fixing
sludgebuckets. You might find a local plumber desperate enough to
open it up but you can guarantee you will find any quote multiplying
by an order of magnitude as soon as you mention "saniflo".

To clean it (which is all it needs - regularly) usually involves
removing the offending article. The plumber who installed it (who
will never come back to repair it) probably giggled as he put it in
the most inaccessible place in the house (I've seen one installed in
an attic behind the bathroom wall).

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".

When removed (and the bathroom floor cut out, burned and replaced)
the box can be opened to reveal a sludge of old excrement, hair
residue and grey slime from soap remains lining the structure and
obstructing the valves - think of it as cholesterol for bogs.

This detritus has to be scraped out. It is wise to arrange suitable
containment and disposal experts to be present to remove it if one
wishes to avoid a visit and free door restructuring at 04:00 by SO12.

Assuming the protective suit remains intact most maintainers survive
this procedure but Gangrene, Flux, Gleet, Beriberi, Black pox,
Cholera, Mormal and Hectic fever are common amongst the poor souls
forced by circumstance to seek a wage this way.

The valves, once scraped clean of the encrusting material, will
function again for a short time but as inevitably as a cholesterol
soaked heart will clog again.

There are only two ways of preventing Sanibog malfunctions. The
first is never to use them, the second, and most reliable, is to
remove them entirely.

The whole idea of having a glorified food processor stuck under your
loo to mince the effluent (if it can) and pump it under pressure
through a tiny pipe is simply mind bogglingly crazy. To expect such
a device to work without fault for any length of time is a triumph of
hope over intelligence.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

LOL !!
If anything, that's even better than the saniflo diatribe by Peter in
the FAQ.
Cheers,
Simon.

sm_jamieson wrote:
Peter Parry wrote:

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:12:16 +0100, simbac
wrote:



Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be stinking
out a bathroom?

Because it is designed by the French as a cunning form of biological
warfare to use against the British. Contrary to their name they are
not sanitary and rarely flow.


when the shower is used or the bath is drained too
quickly it backs up and stinks! BUT only some of the time.

The hideous devices are a monument to incompetent design. They
combine a motor with low starting torque, a mincer borrowed from
Moulinex and a concept so completely inane that it is beyond rational
belief. The Saniplus added additional "functions" to the standard
dastardly box to allow it to be used with a shower and bath. To
achieve this they added various flap valves and (note carefully) a
"carbon filter", with no explanation of why one might be needed
although one can guess.

Now, instead of merely having a box for mincing excrement which
blocks whenever anything which hasn't gone through the human
alimentary tract is put in it they have added valves. Valves which
leak, which catch hairs from the sink and shower and stop working
properly. When they stop working properly the contents of the mincer
get backfed into the bath and shower and sink.

Initially this happens intermittently but soon it will be every time
it is used. If you like washing in the toilet bowl this isn't an
issue. It also isn't a fault - it is a design feature. The French,
as everyone knows, don't use showers or baths so the designers
assumed the valves would only need to function occasionally and
designed them accordingly.


We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with
this,

The best solution is to torch the house now.


the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!

I'm sure they had no problems with the house. The Sanibog would be a
different matter. Saniflo owners develop a mental black hole when it
comes to the hideous devices. Point at the loo it is connected to
and they will claim no toilet exists. It is a necessary form of self
protection mechanism as the reality is many times worse than the
delusion.

Saniflos block. They all block. They are completely incompatible
with children for two reasons. Firstly they block when the child
puts anything other than emanations from its body down them (children
like the nice noises they make when fed teaspoons). Secondly they
block when you try to put the child down them having discovered what
it has done. They are incompatible with females - females cannot
exist without cotton wool - Saniflos cannot co-exist with cotton
wool. One Saniflo owner adopted the same technique he used on his
small boat which had a temperamental sea toilet. He accompanied
users to the facility and at the appropriate time yanked them off the
throne and inspected the pan contents before allowing flushing to
take place.

You can tell houses with Saniflos - request by visitors to go to the
loo are greeted with looks of absolute horror and they are handed the
key to the neighbours front door. The toilet door incorporates a
metal detector and the bowl is under CCTV surveillance. The loo roll
dispenser is computer controlled and issues no more than one sheet
every 25 minutes.

The kitchen in Saniflo houses is a temple to prunes. Prune juice is
followed by porridge and prunes for breakfast. Lunch is prune
omelette, dinner a nice glass of prune juice followed by prune
cocktail, steak and prunes and prune jelly. Supper will be prune jam
on toast.

"No problems" when applied to a Saniflo does not mean "no" or
"problem" in the accepted meaning of the words. If one of their
periodic malfunctions does not lead to a Biohazard team turning up at
your doorstep and as long as you are let out of hospital in less than
a month and without growing an extra eye or limb the event does not
count as a problem


Is there a way to fix this

Yes - destroy the Saniflo or demolish the house.


or is it better to replace the unit?

If you are severely masochistic. The next will do exactly the same
and changing a unit is not something one does without arranging an
extensive course of prophylactic antibiotics and various
inoculations.


Does anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

What has honesty got to do with it? Firstly there is no evidence at
all that Saniflo employ engineers anywhere at all within the
organisation. Secondly, if they did they wouldn't be out fixing
sludgebuckets. You might find a local plumber desperate enough to
open it up but you can guarantee you will find any quote multiplying
by an order of magnitude as soon as you mention "saniflo".

To clean it (which is all it needs - regularly) usually involves
removing the offending article. The plumber who installed it (who
will never come back to repair it) probably giggled as he put it in
the most inaccessible place in the house (I've seen one installed in
an attic behind the bathroom wall).

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".

When removed (and the bathroom floor cut out, burned and replaced)
the box can be opened to reveal a sludge of old excrement, hair
residue and grey slime from soap remains lining the structure and
obstructing the valves - think of it as cholesterol for bogs.

This detritus has to be scraped out. It is wise to arrange suitable
containment and disposal experts to be present to remove it if one
wishes to avoid a visit and free door restructuring at 04:00 by SO12.

Assuming the protective suit remains intact most maintainers survive
this procedure but Gangrene, Flux, Gleet, Beriberi, Black pox,
Cholera, Mormal and Hectic fever are common amongst the poor souls
forced by circumstance to seek a wage this way.

The valves, once scraped clean of the encrusting material, will
function again for a short time but as inevitably as a cholesterol
soaked heart will clog again.

There are only two ways of preventing Sanibog malfunctions. The
first is never to use them, the second, and most reliable, is to
remove them entirely.

The whole idea of having a glorified food processor stuck under your
loo to mince the effluent (if it can) and pump it under pressure
through a tiny pipe is simply mind bogglingly crazy. To expect such
a device to work without fault for any length of time is a triumph of
hope over intelligence.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/


LOL !!
If anything, that's even better than the saniflo diatribe by Peter in
the FAQ.
Cheers,
Simon.


Not much consolation for the poor sod who's just bought the house though.
I can't believe someone hasn't come up with one of these that works, or
at least one that can be fixed easily. They're certainly not going to go
away, having made all kinds of flat conversions possible, especially in
the posher urban districts.

Not much consolation for the poor sod who's just bought the house though.
I can't believe someone hasn't come up with one of these that works, or
at least one that can be fixed easily. They're certainly not going to go
away, having made all kinds of flat conversions possible, especially in
the posher urban districts.

Various are available:

http://www.pumpcompany.co.uk/shop/home.php?cat=1

I recall posting a link for a supplier of marine units that looked
good, but can't find it quickly now.

On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:11:31 GMT, Stuart Noble
wrote:


Not much consolation for the poor sod who's just bought the house though.
I can't believe someone hasn't come up with one of these that works,

Fundamentally the problem is that you can't design one that works.
Or at least not one that works without lots of caveats about use.

To design a mincing machine for body waste is fairly easy, that's
what Sanibog have done. If you want to make one impervious to
anything that goes down a normal toilet (such as toys, teaspoons,
cotton wool etc) then life becomes much more difficult as you have to
separate out unprocessable items from processable and having done so
deal with the unprocessable (mixed with the processable) in a way
which doesn't involve the use of arm length rubber gloves and a
gallon of bleach.

Add showers and sinks and the difficult becomes impossible as in hard
water areas you are adding the grey sludge formed at low temperatures
between soap and skin and the Calcium salts with an effective binding
agent (hair). Trying to make a flap valve that copes with this on
one side and effluent on the other without frequent cleaning is an
exercise in futility.

or at least one that can be fixed easily.

Making it more easily cleanable would be straightforward but not a
selling point. "You Mk3 Bogpump can easily be dismantled for monthly
cleaning" isn't going to sell any units.

They're certainly not going to go
away, having made all kinds of flat conversions possible,

At least until people experience the noise they make the smell they
produce and the joys of (not) using them. This of course is not a
problem for either the builders or developers.

--
Peter Parry.
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

Stuart Noble wrote:

Not much consolation for the poor sod who's just bought the house though.
I can't believe someone hasn't come up with one of these that works, or
at least one that can be fixed easily. They're certainly not going to go
away, having made all kinds of flat conversions possible, especially in
the posher urban districts.

But they have..all you need is a nice victorian sewage pump. Generally
powered by a steam engine and covering a couple of acres.

The only thing wrong with a saniflo is its design...

Making it more easily cleanable would be straightforward but not a
selling point. "You Mk3 Bogpump can easily be dismantled for monthly
cleaning" isn't going to sell any units.

Might make it easier to find a plumber willing to fix it though,
assuming it hasn't been boxed in and tiled over by the developers.

Peter Parry wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:12:16 +0100, simbac
wrote:


Does anyone know why a saniplus (saniflow) macerator would be
stinking out a bathroom?

Because it is designed by the French as a cunning form of biological
warfare to use against the British. Contrary to their name they are
not sanitary and rarely flow.

when the shower is used or the bath is drained too
quickly it backs up and stinks! BUT only some of the time.

The hideous devices are a monument to incompetent design. They
combine a motor with low starting torque, a mincer borrowed from
Moulinex and a concept so completely inane that it is beyond rational
belief. The Saniplus added additional "functions" to the standard
dastardly box to allow it to be used with a shower and bath. To
achieve this they added various flap valves and (note carefully) a
"carbon filter", with no explanation of why one might be needed
although one can guess.

Now, instead of merely having a box for mincing excrement which
blocks whenever anything which hasn't gone through the human
alimentary tract is put in it they have added valves. Valves which
leak, which catch hairs from the sink and shower and stop working
properly. When they stop working properly the contents of the mincer
get backfed into the bath and shower and sink.

Initially this happens intermittently but soon it will be every time
it is used. If you like washing in the toilet bowl this isn't an
issue. It also isn't a fault - it is a design feature. The French,
as everyone knows, don't use showers or baths so the designers
assumed the valves would only need to function occasionally and
designed them accordingly.

We've just moved in 2 months ago and had nothing but problems with
this,

The best solution is to torch the house now.

the previous owners had claimed no problems with the house!!

I'm sure they had no problems with the house. The Sanibog would be a
different matter. Saniflo owners develop a mental black hole when it
comes to the hideous devices. Point at the loo it is connected to
and they will claim no toilet exists. It is a necessary form of self
protection mechanism as the reality is many times worse than the
delusion.

Saniflos block. They all block. They are completely incompatible
with children for two reasons. Firstly they block when the child
puts anything other than emanations from its body down them (children
like the nice noises they make when fed teaspoons). Secondly they
block when you try to put the child down them having discovered what
it has done. They are incompatible with females - females cannot
exist without cotton wool - Saniflos cannot co-exist with cotton
wool. One Saniflo owner adopted the same technique he used on his
small boat which had a temperamental sea toilet. He accompanied
users to the facility and at the appropriate time yanked them off the
throne and inspected the pan contents before allowing flushing to
take place.

You can tell houses with Saniflos - request by visitors to go to the
loo are greeted with looks of absolute horror and they are handed the
key to the neighbours front door. The toilet door incorporates a
metal detector and the bowl is under CCTV surveillance. The loo roll
dispenser is computer controlled and issues no more than one sheet
every 25 minutes.

The kitchen in Saniflo houses is a temple to prunes. Prune juice is
followed by porridge and prunes for breakfast. Lunch is prune
omelette, dinner a nice glass of prune juice followed by prune
cocktail, steak and prunes and prune jelly. Supper will be prune jam
on toast.

"No problems" when applied to a Saniflo does not mean "no" or
"problem" in the accepted meaning of the words. If one of their
periodic malfunctions does not lead to a Biohazard team turning up at
your doorstep and as long as you are let out of hospital in less than
a month and without growing an extra eye or limb the event does not
count as a problem

Is there a way to fix this

Yes - destroy the Saniflo or demolish the house.

or is it better to replace the unit?

If you are severely masochistic. The next will do exactly the same
and changing a unit is not something one does without arranging an
extensive course of prophylactic antibiotics and various
inoculations.

Does anyone know if saniflo's engineers are honest??

What has honesty got to do with it? Firstly there is no evidence at
all that Saniflo employ engineers anywhere at all within the
organisation. Secondly, if they did they wouldn't be out fixing
sludgebuckets. You might find a local plumber desperate enough to
open it up but you can guarantee you will find any quote multiplying
by an order of magnitude as soon as you mention "saniflo".

To clean it (which is all it needs - regularly) usually involves
removing the offending article. The plumber who installed it (who
will never come back to repair it) probably giggled as he put it in
the most inaccessible place in the house (I've seen one installed in
an attic behind the bathroom wall).

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".

When removed (and the bathroom floor cut out, burned and replaced)
the box can be opened to reveal a sludge of old excrement, hair
residue and grey slime from soap remains lining the structure and
obstructing the valves - think of it as cholesterol for bogs.

This detritus has to be scraped out. It is wise to arrange suitable
containment and disposal experts to be present to remove it if one
wishes to avoid a visit and free door restructuring at 04:00 by SO12.

Assuming the protective suit remains intact most maintainers survive
this procedure but Gangrene, Flux, Gleet, Beriberi, Black pox,
Cholera, Mormal and Hectic fever are common amongst the poor souls
forced by circumstance to seek a wage this way.

The valves, once scraped clean of the encrusting material, will
function again for a short time but as inevitably as a cholesterol
soaked heart will clog again.

There are only two ways of preventing Sanibog malfunctions. The
first is never to use them, the second, and most reliable, is to
remove them entirely.

The whole idea of having a glorified food processor stuck under your
loo to mince the effluent (if it can) and pump it under pressure
through a tiny pipe is simply mind bogglingly crazy. To expect such
a device to work without fault for any length of time is a triumph of
hope over intelligence.

that must be the best review of a saniflow I've ever read

FYI FiL has placed 2 saniflows behind tilled walls, MiL told him not to,
I told him not to and BiL just laughed and said 'I told you he was losing it'

FiL was an ace builder, plumber, spark having completed 8+ properties,
the best of which went for 480k. what posessed him to get 2 saniflows
is beyone me but perhaps BiL is right

.. wrote:

FYI FiL has placed 2 saniflows behind tilled walls, MiL told him not to,
I told him not to and BiL just laughed and said 'I told you he was losing it'

FiL was an ace builder, plumber, spark having completed 8+ properties,
the best of which went for 480k. what posessed him to get 2 saniflows
is beyone me but perhaps BiL is right


Perhaps he needs something to tinker with in the evenings to escape MIL

After having seeded and harvested his tilled walls :-)

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
. wrote:

FYI FiL has placed 2 saniflows behind tilled walls, MiL told him not
to,
I told him not to and BiL just laughed and said 'I told you he was
losing it'

FiL was an ace builder, plumber, spark having completed 8+
properties,
the best of which went for 480k. what posessed him to get 2 saniflows
is beyone me but perhaps BiL is right


Perhaps he needs something to tinker with in the evenings to escape
MIL

the recent stroke has taken care of that

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".

I've got the new Sanisplit, which is not made by Saniflo. The macerator part
unscrews from the main body, with seals to reduce spillage. It can then be
either hosed down outside, or they will exchange it with a rebuilt one for a
moderate fee.

Mine is in the en-suite, where we can prevent visitors and children. We
shall also be having a no number 2 rule.

Christian.

Making it more easily cleanable would be straightforward but not a
selling point. "You Mk3 Bogpump can easily be dismantled for monthly
cleaning" isn't going to sell any units.

That's basically what the competing Sanisplit units compete on. The
macerator part detaches from the main unit with seals to reduce spillage. It
takes about 10 seconds to remove, with no pipes to disconnect. You can then
clean it yourself, or they offer an exchange service at a very reasonable
price. The pump is also much stronger. They allow much longer and more
flexible runs.

Christian.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:43:09 +0100, Christian McArdle wrote
(in article ) :

Making it more easily cleanable would be straightforward but not a
selling point. "You Mk3 Bogpump can easily be dismantled for monthly
cleaning" isn't going to sell any units.

That's basically what the competing Sanisplit units compete on. The
macerator part detaches from the main unit with seals to reduce spillage. It
takes about 10 seconds to remove, with no pipes to disconnect. You can then
clean it yourself, or they offer an exchange service at a very reasonable
price.

I wonder what sin one has to commit at Sanisplit to be put in goods inwards
or customer service.......

Semper in excretum, sed alto variat......

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:40:25 +0100, Christian McArdle wrote
(in article ) :

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".

I've got the new Sanisplit, which is not made by Saniflo. The macerator part
unscrews from the main body, with seals to reduce spillage. It can then be
either hosed down outside, or they will exchange it with a rebuilt one for a
moderate fee.

Mine is in the en-suite, where we can prevent visitors and children. We
shall also be having a no number 2 rule.

Christian.



Are you going to ban women as well, though Christian? As Peter says, they
can't exist without cotton wool and various other "accessories".

Christian McArdle wrote:
Making it more easily cleanable would be straightforward but not a
selling point. "You Mk3 Bogpump can easily be dismantled for monthly
cleaning" isn't going to sell any units.


That's basically what the competing Sanisplit units compete on. The
macerator part detaches from the main unit with seals to reduce spillage. It
takes about 10 seconds to remove, with no pipes to disconnect. You can then
clean it yourself, or they offer an exchange service at a very reasonable
price. The pump is also much stronger. They allow much longer and more
flexible runs.

Christian.



Do they suggest any chemical treatments to reduce the chances of
problems developing?

Andy Hall wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:43:09 +0100, Christian McArdle wrote
(in article ) :

Making it more easily cleanable would be straightforward but not a
selling point. "You Mk3 Bogpump can easily be dismantled for monthly
cleaning" isn't going to sell any units.
That's basically what the competing Sanisplit units compete on. The
macerator part detaches from the main unit with seals to reduce spillage. It
takes about 10 seconds to remove, with no pipes to disconnect. You can then
clean it yourself, or they offer an exchange service at a very reasonable
price.

I wonder what sin one has to commit at Sanisplit to be put in goods inwards
or customer service.......

Semper in excretum, sed alto variat......



Reminds me of the story from a friend who used to work at Marshalls.

Not only did he have to pick up a bunch of loudspeaker cabinets from, I
think, Deep Purple's, roadies - all carefully stencilled '****ed' - from
an irate Red Star person ...but inside each loudspeaker cabinet the
roadies had carefully deposited a steaming turd.

I have to think that we could do with a little more of that sort of
customer power these days.....

Andy Hall wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:40:25 +0100, Christian McArdle wrote
(in article ) :

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".
I've got the new Sanisplit, which is not made by Saniflo. The macerator part
unscrews from the main body, with seals to reduce spillage. It can then be
either hosed down outside, or they will exchange it with a rebuilt one for a
moderate fee.

Mine is in the en-suite, where we can prevent visitors and children. We
shall also be having a no number 2 rule.

Christian.



Are you going to ban women as well, though Christian? As Peter says, they
can't exist without cotton wool and various other "accessories".


Sigh. Even Eve needed a constant supply of fig leaves.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:40:25 +0100, "Christian McArdle"
wrote:

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".

I've got the new Sanisplit, which is not made by Saniflo. The macerator part
unscrews from the main body, with seals to reduce spillage. It can then be
either hosed down outside, or they will exchange it with a rebuilt one for a
moderate fee.

Mine is in the en-suite, where we can prevent visitors and children. We
shall also be having a no number 2 rule.

So basically if the wife could **** standing up, a urinal would have
been more appropriate?

Also how do you send the sanisplit back for exchange?

Do they come to collect or does it go through the post?




--

So basically if the wife could **** standing up, a urinal would have
been more appropriate?

Quite possibly. I would probably trust it with the squits as well, where you
may need to occupy the toilet for some time, but aren't particularly
challenging it.

Also how do you send the sanisplit back for exchange?

Do they come to collect or does it go through the post?

They collect. Presumably using a very understanding courier. If you are near
their depot, you get a discount for collecting yourself.

Christian.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:53:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote
(in article ):

Andy Hall wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:40:25 +0100, Christian McArdle wrote
(in article ) :

Once you have gained access by destroying the tilework and lifting
the bath out removing it is a simple task which involves taking off
all the drain pipes. This of course releases the contents of the
waste pipes all over the floor. The "Plus" here means "plus extra
gunge".
I've got the new Sanisplit, which is not made by Saniflo. The macerator
part
unscrews from the main body, with seals to reduce spillage. It can then be
either hosed down outside, or they will exchange it with a rebuilt one for
a
moderate fee.

Mine is in the en-suite, where we can prevent visitors and children. We
shall also be having a no number 2 rule.

Christian.



Are you going to ban women as well, though Christian? As Peter says,
they
can't exist without cotton wool and various other "accessories".


Sigh. Even Eve needed a constant supply of fig leaves.

Ficus Tampus?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember The Natural Philosopher
saying something like:


But they have..all you need is a nice victorian sewage pump. Generally
powered by a steam engine and covering a couple of acres.

Scale matters. The average human turd compared to the piston diameter
and valve opening of a steam powered sewage pump is miniscule.
--

Dave

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember The Natural Philosopher
saying something like:

But they have..all you need is a nice victorian sewage pump. Generally
powered by a steam engine and covering a couple of acres.

Scale matters. The average human turd compared to the piston diameter
and valve opening of a steam powered sewage pump is miniscule.

So why not have a 4" diameter sewage pump, and pump the lot into the
loft where it can run back don to the soil stack?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember The Natural Philosopher
saying something like:

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember The Natural Philosopher
saying something like:

But they have..all you need is a nice victorian sewage pump. Generally
powered by a steam engine and covering a couple of acres.

Scale matters. The average human turd compared to the piston diameter
and valve opening of a steam powered sewage pump is miniscule.

So why not have a 4" diameter sewage pump, and pump the lot into the
loft where it can run back don to the soil stack?

That's a good idea. Instead of a macerator, just a holding tank and
reciprocating pump to get it up and over. As long as the prospect of
****e overhead doesn't worry anybody.
--

Dave

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

That's a good idea. Instead of a macerator, just a holding tank and
reciprocating pump to get it up and over. As long as the prospect of
****e overhead doesn't worry anybody.

We've managed to survive ten years of Laber 'Government'...and Big
Brother...