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What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze
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On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:22:01 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"
wrote: What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? No More Nails or equivalent if you never want to remove it without damaging it. Otherwise drill and counterbore, and make plugs from a piece of MDF. Screw the the cill to the wall and then fit plugs and sand over the top. These can be drilled out to gain access to the screws if you ever want to remove the cill. -- ..andy |
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On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:22:01 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb"
wrote: What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? Cills usually go outside, window boards go inside. -- Regards, Mike Halmarack Drop the (EGG) to email me. |
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Mike Halmarack wrote: On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:22:01 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb" wrote: What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? Cills usually go outside, window boards go inside. -- Regards, Mike Halmarack In either case MDF is unsuitable as it is very prone to damp and will expand, bend etc cheers Jacob |
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"Mike Halmarack" ... wrote in message ... On 9 Apr 2006 07:10:15 -0700, wrote: Mike Halmarack wrote: On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:22:01 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb" wrote: What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? Cills usually go outside, window boards go inside. -- Regards, Mike Halmarack In either case MDF is unsuitable as it is very prone to damp and will expand, bend etc I hope you're wrong. I have great hopes of putting a newly painted corner unit made from MDF into my bathroom. I'm counting on several coats of paint to protect it from moisture. cheers Jacob -- Regards, Mike Halmarack Drop the (EGG) to email me. ==================== I think you're safe with MDF. Wickes and other such places sell ready-made window boards - 1" with bull nose and ready primed. They must have faith in their product. Cic. |
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"Lawrence Zarb" wrote in message news:6a284b2dd773d0a3b7a3fdd91740cc61.52329@mygate .mailgate.org... What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? L shaped steel straps screwed to the underside of the board and then screwed to the wall work well. The straps are then hidden by the wall finish. S |
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Lawrence Zarb wrote:
What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? MDF sills should be avoided. I know from experience that the surface degrades too quickly in real world use to be a product of any serious quality. NT |
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:19:49 +0100, Mike Halmarack ... wrote:
I hope you're wrong. I have great hopes of putting a newly painted corner unit made from MDF into my bathroom. I'm counting on several coats of paint to protect it from moisture. It will last as long as the paint remains impermeable. Then it will turn into cheese. You can certainly do this, but I'd be wary of it. A much better material is Valchromat - MDF with extra resin content, making it both water-resistant and also pre-coloured. http://codesmiths.com/shed/furniture/cabinets/swarf/ I'd be amazed if an MDF outdoor sill lasted more than a winter or two. |
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Just for everybodies reference
The "sill" or window boards will be on the inside not outside.. -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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wrote: Lawrence Zarb wrote: What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? MDF sills should be avoided. I know from experience that the surface degrades too quickly in real world use to be a product of any serious quality. NT If you get a new build, the skirting, architraves and window boards will all be MDF. I suspect they are durable enough if painted properly. Simon. |
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from Mike Halmarack ... contains these words: What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? Cills usually go outside, window boards go inside. Not to most people, nor my dictionary for that matter. [Collins] Cill - variant spelling used in the building industry for sill (senses 1 - 4) Sill - 1. a shelf at the bottom of a window inside a room No entry for window board -- Roger Chapman |
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Mike Halmarack wrote:
On 9 Apr 2006 07:10:15 -0700, wrote: Mike Halmarack wrote: On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:22:01 +0000 (UTC), "Lawrence Zarb" wrote: What is the best most secure way to fix an mdf window sill to a breeze block wall? Cills usually go outside, window boards go inside. -- Regards, Mike Halmarack In either case MDF is unsuitable as it is very prone to damp and will expand, bend etc I hope you're wrong. I have great hopes of putting a newly painted corner unit made from MDF into my bathroom. I'm counting on several coats of paint to protect it from moisture. MDF is totally fine until it gets sopping wet. Then it turns into soggy cardboard. However it is impregnated with resin, especially at the surface. Watch out for end grain though..that CAN soak stuff up. Several coats of paint are advisable. cheers Jacob |
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Lawrence Zarb wrote:
Just for everybodies reference The "sill" or window boards will be on the inside not outside.. Just for everybodies (sic) reference, it's cill. LOL |
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. wrote: Lawrence Zarb wrote: Just for everybodies reference The "sill" or window boards will be on the inside not outside.. Just for everybodies (sic) reference, it's cill. LOL Sill comes from Old English syll, which in turn derives from the proto-Germanic/Indo-European words suljo/swel meaning beam. You find it as sulle, sille, svill, &c in various early Germanic languages. Never as cill - except that the OED allows cill as an occasionally used variant of sill. Occasionally by people who spell it wrong? ;-) For everybody's reference. It's sill (or cill - but preferably sill). And it doesn't mean inside or outside - but either. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:40:57 GMT, "Cicero"
wrote: I think you're safe with MDF. Wickes and other such places sell ready-made window boards - 1" with bull nose and ready primed. They must have faith in their product. Exterior-grade MDF has been available for a quite a while - at least fifteen years. I remember when it was first introduced, my Dad (who works in the timber industry) had an un-painted/un-varnished piece which he left out in the back garden for a couple of years by way of a test and it suffered no ill effects, other than attracting a bit of surface moss/mould. I don't know what it's bonded with to make it weatherproof - probably some variety of nasty chemical or other! -- Chris Cowley |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:22:06 +0100, John Cartmell
wrote: In article , . wrote: Lawrence Zarb wrote: Just for everybodies reference The "sill" or window boards will be on the inside not outside.. Just for everybodies (sic) reference, it's cill. LOL Sill comes from Old English syll, which in turn derives from the proto-Germanic/Indo-European words suljo/swel meaning beam. You find it as sulle, sille, svill, &c in various early Germanic languages. Never as cill - except that the OED allows cill as an occasionally used variant of sill. Occasionally by people who spell it wrong? ;-) For everybody's reference. It's sill (or cill - but preferably sill). And it doesn't mean inside or outside - but either. So, of all the developments and variations in meaning and spelling throughout the ages, those used currently in the building industry are the ones disqualified from use by you? Sounds very John Cartmell to me. :-) -- Regards, Mike Halmarack Drop the (EGG) to email me. |
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John Cartmell wrote: Sill comes from Old English syll, which in turn derives from the proto-Germanic/Indo-European words suljo/swel meaning beam. You find it as sulle, sille, svill, &c in various early Germanic languages. Never as cill - except that the OED allows cill as an occasionally used variant of sill. Occasionally by people who spell it wrong? ;-) For everybody's reference. It's sill (or cill - but preferably sill). And it doesn't mean inside or outside - but either. Sill or cill is a supporting rail as in the bottom rail of a window or door (threshold). It's also the name of the base beam on which timber framed houses are built. But most people also use the term erroneously to refer to the board that closes the bottm of the window opening internally. It would be more correctto refer to the outside lip if the window is of the type that has one as a sill is also a ledge in geology. (Or a seam with that tendency, I think.) |
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In article , Mike Halmarack ...
wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:22:06 +0100, John Cartmell wrote: In article , . wrote: Lawrence Zarb wrote: Just for everybodies reference The "sill" or window boards will be on the inside not outside.. Just for everybodies (sic) reference, it's cill. LOL Sill comes from Old English syll, which in turn derives from the proto-Germanic/Indo-European words suljo/swel meaning beam. You find it as sulle, sille, svill, &c in various early Germanic languages. Never as cill - except that the OED allows cill as an occasionally used variant of sill. Occasionally by people who spell it wrong? ;-) For everybody's reference. It's sill (or cill - but preferably sill). And it doesn't mean inside or outside - but either. So, of all the developments and variations in meaning and spelling throughout the ages, those used currently in the building industry are the ones disqualified from use by you? The English word for a piece of wood (or similar) at the base of a window or door is 'sill'. If there is a technical* word 'cill' that has a different meaning (but same sound) and still relating to material at the base of a window then I'd question the sanity of whoever coined that word. A simpler explanation is that some builders cannot spell. *I'm assuming that the (putative) technical word was coined within the last 1500 years. I'm open to more persuasive explanations. ;-) -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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Google shows 75,000 hits for window cill and 4.970,000 for window sill
which shows most people understand no matter how its spelt unless you are Alan Argument |
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George Tingsley wrote: Google shows 75,000 hits for window cill and 4.970,000 for window sill which shows most people understand no matter how its spelt unless you are Alan Argument It's not clear who you are responding to as you aren't using the quoting capabilities of Usenet. If it's me then you should have noticed that I was responding to: "Just for everybodies (sic) reference, it's cill. LOL" As 'cill' is either a misspelling of 'sill', a long established alternative spelling (but without evidence, or a word for something different. I see an alternative possibility: Houseowner: ...and the new window will want a sill of course. Builder's contract: including a cill Houseowner: But where is the stout beam that you agreed to provide? What is holding the window up? Builder: We promised no beam. Houseowner: What about the sill? Builder: A cill is a tatty piece of wood that we stick on the outside of the window frame. Don't know why we bother. There's no beam there. Houseowner: So what's holding the window up? Builder: God knows. Just don't clean the window too vigorously. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing |
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The message .com
from "Weatherlawyer" contains these words: Sill or cill is a supporting rail as in the bottom rail of a window or door (threshold). It's also the name of the base beam on which timber framed houses are built. Yes. But most people also use the term erroneously to refer to the board that closes the bottm of the window opening internally. No. That is a perfectly proper and well established use of the word. It would be more correctto refer to the outside lip if the window is of the type that has one as a sill is also a ledge in geology. (Or a seam with that tendency, I think.) Sill has a number of distinct meanings two of which are the outside window ledge and a horizontal igneous intrusion but they do not disqualify the other legitimate uses of the word. -- Roger Chapman |
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