I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2 trucks.
I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding streets where
extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has gates
to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?
Cheers,
Simon.

wrote:
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2 trucks.
I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding streets where
extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has gates
to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?

Barrowing 8m^3 is a large, but not huge job.
Say it's what, 20 tons, at 100Kg/barrow, that's 200 trips.
Or 6 hours at a minute per leg of the trip.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Ian Stirling wrote:

wrote:
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2
trucks. I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding
streets where extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has
gates to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?

Barrowing 8m^3 is a large, but not huge job.
Say it's what, 20 tons, at 100Kg/barrow, that's 200 trips.
Or 6 hours at a minute per leg of the trip.

By which time it will well and truly have gone off!
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Roger
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wrote:
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2

who measured it at 8m3? - are you mass filling the footings?

trucks. I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding
streets where extensions are being built, but never mind.

One truck will follow the other, they won't both arrive at the same time,
maybe even the same truck will come back.

Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has
gates to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?

You need to work out the shortest route from truck to site with a
wheelbarrow that weighs about 250lbs, so no steps or steep inclines,
considering you'll need to push about ten barrows per metre....you really
need 3 or 4 barrows and bods to get it all in....expect it to take at least
1.5 hours per load.
Make sure you've got access to water for washing down afterwards, barrows,
spillages, roadside etc.

Unless it stipulates on the specs that it must be mass filled this way, you
would be better off puting 150 - 200mm of concrete in and building up to
damp with solid concrete blocks, much cheaper considering ready mixed is
over £100 for the first metre and about £70 for each metre after...it's
going to cost you almost £700 for concrete!!

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from Ian Stirling contains these words:

Barrowing 8m^3 is a large, but not huge job.
Say it's what, 20 tons, at 100Kg/barrow, that's 200 trips.
Or 6 hours at a minute per leg of the trip

Get the rugby team in and it'll be done in an hour.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

wrote in message
oups.com...
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2 trucks.
I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding streets where
extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has gates
to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?
Cheers,
Simon.


====================
Look for a company which can pump the concrete to your trenches. It's the
modern way and almost effortless.

Try local 'Yellow Pages'

Cic.

Cic.

wrote:
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2 trucks.
I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding streets where
extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has gates
to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?
Cheers,
Simon.

How about looking into pumped concrete: eg
http://www.theconcretecompany.co.uk/molipump/moli1.jpg

I know nothing about it. I don't think it's a particularly popular
technique in the UK, compared with other countries.

David

Roger Mills wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Ian Stirling wrote:

wrote:
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2
trucks. I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding
streets where extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has
gates to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?

Barrowing 8m^3 is a large, but not huge job.
Say it's what, 20 tons, at 100Kg/barrow, that's 200 trips.
Or 6 hours at a minute per leg of the trip.

By which time it will well and truly have gone off!

Depends on the temperature, and how retarded it is.

Cicero wrote:

Look for a company which can pump the concrete to your trenches. It's
the modern way and almost effortless.

Don't know, but I would have thought that was a little OTT? These things
pump at least a cubic metre a minute, so thats 8 minutes for the job.

Would they be interested in, what to them, must be a very small job?

I'd be interested to find out.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

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from "The Medway Handyman" contains
these words:

Would they be interested in, what to them, must be a very small job?

I think that's what the small specialist firms are for - doemstic
situations where a smallish amount of concrete is needed but in a place
which makes it a right sod to get to.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

In article .com
, writes
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2 trucks.
I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding streets where
extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has gates
to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?
Cheers,
Simon.


I'm a bit out of date but here goes:

A full load from a standard truck (6cu m) dropped on your doorstep with no
waiting, faffing or manoeuvring, 60quid a cube. Waiting is extra, part load
(for your extra 2 cubes) is extra. A standard delivery will not wait while you
fill barrows.

Alternatively 'spotmix' type operations are set up for your kind of job, they
will barrow a reasonable distance and put it where you want it. You'll need
to make their route easy by laying boards to all the pouring points with no
big hills. They will probably be dropping a (large) barrowload into your
founds every 30s so you need to be ready to spread it about (suggest
2people). Time is money again, so they won't want to hang about but
they're defo more user friendly than a straight drop. Expect 100quid a cube
and 50quid to the driver has been known to add immense good will to the
proceedings.

As another has said, 8cubes is an awful lot, might be worth checking your
calcs to see where you can reduce.

I have no experience of pumped concrete jobs but at a guess I'd say it
would add at least a few hundred to the costs so probably more than you
need to pay.

HTH
--
fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla

In article , fred writes
In article .com
, writes
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2 trucks.
I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding streets where
extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has gates
to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?
Cheers,
Simon.


I'm a bit out of date but here goes:

A full load from a standard truck (6cu m) dropped on your doorstep with no
waiting, faffing or manoeuvring, 60quid a cube. Waiting is extra, part load
(for your extra 2 cubes) is extra. A standard delivery will not wait while you
fill barrows.

Alternatively 'spotmix' type operations are set up for your kind of job, they
will barrow a reasonable distance and put it where you want it. You'll need
to make their route easy by laying boards to all the pouring points with no
big hills. They will probably be dropping a (large) barrowload into your
founds every 30s so you need to be ready to spread it about (suggest
2people). Time is money again, so they won't want to hang about but
they're defo more user friendly than a straight drop. Expect 100quid a cube
and 50quid to the driver has been known to add immense good will to the
proceedings.

As another has said, 8cubes is an awful lot, might be worth checking your
calcs to see where you can reduce.

I have no experience of pumped concrete jobs but at a guess I'd say it
would add at least a few hundred to the costs so probably more than you
need to pay.

HTH

BTW: the spotmix guys can change the mix on the spot which can be
handy as I believe mass fill can be done at lower density than strip founds,
this may save you a few bob on the mass fill & your
builder/adviser/surveyor will be able to tell you which is reqd at which
location.
--
fred
Plusnet - I hope you like vanilla

How about looking into pumped concrete: eg
http://www.theconcretecompany.co.uk/molipump/moli1.jpg
I know nothing about it. I don't think it's a particularly popular
technique in the UK, compared with other countries.
Thanks, excellent link. A nice picture of some person doing a rear
extension
and the stuff being pumped through a side access.
For some reasons google is very bad at finding sites about readymix
concrete.
No idea why !
Simon.

wrote:
How about looking into pumped concrete: eg
http://www.theconcretecompany.co.uk/molipump/moli1.jpg
I know nothing about it. I don't think it's a particularly popular
technique in the UK, compared with other countries.
Thanks, excellent link. A nice picture of some person doing a rear
extension
and the stuff being pumped through a side access.
For some reasons google is very bad at finding sites about readymix
concrete.
No idea why !
Simon.

Have you seen the boom pump pics? That's how they poured our foundations -
over the top of the house!

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
. uk...
Cicero wrote:

Look for a company which can pump the concrete to your trenches. It's
the modern way and almost effortless.

Don't know, but I would have thought that was a little OTT? These things
pump at least a cubic metre a minute, so thats 8 minutes for the job.

Would they be interested in, what to them, must be a very small job?

I'd be interested to find out.


--
Dave
The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257



=========================
This is the blurb from the first entry in my local Yellow Pages:

.. Concrete Pumping Service . Covering The West Midlands . No Barrows.No
Mess.No Waste . Ready Mixed Concrete Suppliers . Floor Screed . Over 50
Years In The Midlands

It seems to be directed partly at least at the small user. In any case I
assume that the concrete is delivered in a conventional ready mix truck with
an added pump so 8 Cubic metres would be well within their minimum delivery
limits.

I suppose as usual the best thing is to ask - you might get a pleasant
surprise.

Cic.

wrote:
who measured it at 8m3? - are you mass filling the footings?
Yes, mass filling, This was suggested to me as easiest, since it
reduces a lot of
the brickwork.
The plans have been passed like this. Maybe I should change the
foundation
design ?
There must be quite a few people in this group who have built or had
built
extensions of my sort of size.
How were these done ?
Simon.


Truck as close as we could get it, a long chute and pour it in. Then
massive and exhausting work with rakes to get it to flow to the far
end...frankly barrowing it in would have probably been no harder.

If its your labour and its free, I'd definitely use blockwork as much as
possible.

Otherwise a good irishman can barrow 30 tons in a day. I have done about
4-5 of gravel..exghausting..

Truck as close as we could get it, a long chute and pour it in. Then
massive and exhausting work with rakes to get it to flow to the far
end...frankly barrowing it in would have probably been no harder.
If its your labour and its free, I'd definitely use blockwork as much as
possible.
One side will have to be mass concrete I think, since it's next to a
party wall and
I believe you usually overpour next doors by some. Also if I have to
dig deeper than
next door, I wouldn't want to be laying blocks in a trench like that
for long.
If pumping on a flexible hose, this could be directed better to the
ends of the trench
I guess. I think I'm stuck with trench fill !
Simon.

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from The Natural Philosopher contains these words:

Otherwise a good irishman can barrow 30 tons in a day. I have done about
4-5 of gravel..exghausting..

The driver and a neighbour shifted one cube of concrete in under half an
hour for my conservatory slab. They both got a reasonable tip for that!

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

"Guy King" wrote in message
...
The message
from The Natural Philosopher contains these words:

Otherwise a good irishman can barrow 30 tons in a day. I have done
about
4-5 of gravel..exghausting..

The driver and a neighbour shifted one cube of concrete in under
half an
hour for my conservatory slab. They both got a reasonable tip for
that!

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Can you lend me your neighbour G

AWEM

cupra wrote:

Have you seen the boom pump pics? That's how they poured our foundations -
over the top of the house!

How about some of these

http://www.putzmeister.de/gb/produkt...to/default.asp

I saw one at work recently, and it was fascinating to watch as
all the sections of boom were slowly unwound.

Back to the job in hand, there seem to be some combination
mixer/pumps

http://www.putzmeister.de/gb/produkt...mi/default.asp

Chris
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Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK


Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

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from "Andrew Mawson" contains
these words:

Can you lend me your neighbour G

I'd actually arranged for two neighbours - but I rang one of them just
as the truck arrived and he said "I'm ten miles away - I'll be back in
an hour or so, will that do?"
The one who was there is a nice lad - unemployed 'cos no one will give
him a reference and...well, you can guess the rest. Shame is, anyone
taking him on will get a hard working bloke who picks up what he's
supposed to do very readily and keeps doing what he's told, with
sufficient initiative to keep him out of trouble.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

On 30 Mar 2006 08:29:25 -0800, wrote:

I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2 trucks.
I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding streets where
extensions are being built, but never mind.
Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has gates
to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?
Cheers,
Simon.

look in yellow pages for a waggon with a long convayor or a pump.

you can also get trucks bigger than the std 6 cube. the 6 cube truck
is based on a 3 axle lorry, bigger ones are based on a 4 axle lorry.

in the 2nd truck, you will pay say 30 quid a cube for 4 cubes of air.
If you have a use for the extra concrete, its a good time to do both
jobs.

You may be able to fill your foundations less, and build upto ground
level with blocks, so then you simply use 6 cubes of concrete, this is
a more complex option.



Rick

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:16:24 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote:

wrote:
I will be needing readymix concrete for my foundations, 3 sides of a
4x5m rear extension, average depth 1m (some a bit deeper towards
sewer), about 8m3 of concrete in all. I understand this means 2

who measured it at 8m3? - are you mass filling the footings?

trucks. I have never seen convoys of trucks in the surrounding
streets where extensions are being built, but never mind.

One truck will follow the other, they won't both arrive at the same time,
maybe even the same truck will come back.

Access is a narrowish (for a cement mixer !) rear entry which has
gates to be unlocked, or a 4 foot wide side entry into the garden.
What are my options / prices / suppliers for this ?
In other words, what is standard practice for this type of job ?

You need to work out the shortest route from truck to site with a
wheelbarrow that weighs about 250lbs, so no steps or steep inclines,
considering you'll need to push about ten barrows per metre....you really
need 3 or 4 barrows and bods to get it all in....expect it to take at least
1.5 hours per load.
Make sure you've got access to water for washing down afterwards, barrows,
spillages, roadside etc.

Unless it stipulates on the specs that it must be mass filled this way, you
would be better off puting 150 - 200mm of concrete in and building up to
damp with solid concrete blocks, much cheaper considering ready mixed is
over £100 for the first metre and about £70 for each metre after...it's
going to cost you almost £700 for concrete!!


You also pay "waiting time" if you are slow to empty the truck.

Rick