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I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old
(everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? -- huLLy, |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:22:25 +0100, "huLLy" wrote:
I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? £5000 for a bog ....You crazy ..lol Stuart |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:22:25 +0100, "huLLy" wrote:
I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? Try Yellow Pages or one of the on-line local search sites. Give them a call on the phone and tell them that you have an averaged sized bathroom and could they give you a firm quote on this basis. Better still, tell them that you have £5k to spend and ask them what they can do for that amount. -- ..andy |
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I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? Try asking them. |
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huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? Try asking them. I'd like to get an idea first before the relentless marketing campaign starts targeting me. -- huLLy |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:06:28 +0100, "huLLy" wrote:
Chris Bacon wrote: huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? Try asking them. I'd like to get an idea first before the relentless marketing campaign starts targeting me. It's like asking how long is a piece of string. The costs of materials vary enormously, as do labour costs depending on location and whether the supplier wants the work. Start with local rather than national suppliers and you are more likely to get reasonable pricing. Ask for references. -- ..andy |
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huLLy wrote:
I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? Generally mark everything up by a factor of there to get installed cost. It takes me 2-4 weeks to do a bathroom to a decent standard. So about 2-3 grand of labour and fiddly bits like plumbing. Buy cheap china and expensive tiles. I expect to spend about 250 on a bath, 100 on a basin and 250 on a loo. Probably 600-1000 on a shower altogether, and about 150 on taps and other trinkets like bog roll holders. Tiles? about a grand. I don't skimp on tiles.... Then what else is there? The on I am doing now has an alcove that needs a mirror, and arch, some lights...marble tops need carving for the vanity units...loads of tile cement and grout...shaver socket..airing cupboard and cupboard and drawer fronts in oak...a fair bit of MDF to make the bath surround...you name it.. There is a lot of difference between a few bits of cheap china, some white 'trade' tiles and a vinyl floor and a totally equipped integrated to your own design bathroom that you WANT to spend hours in doing the crossword... |
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On 2006-04-02, huLLy wrote:
I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? Funnily enough, I'm looking to get the same sort of work done, so I'd be interested in knowing what quotes you get (notwithstanding the "it depends" views aired here). On a practical note, the time it will take is an issue too. Unless you have a second bathroom (or _very_ accommodating neighbours) what provision are you making for err, sanitation until the installation's complete? Pete -- .................................................. ......................... .. never trust a man who, when left alone ...... Pete Lynch . .. in a room with a tea cosy ...... Marlow, England . .. doesn't try it on (Billy Connolly) ..................................... |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? Generally mark everything up by a factor of there to get installed cost. It takes me 2-4 weeks to do a bathroom to a decent standard. So about 2-3 grand of labour and fiddly bits like plumbing. Buy cheap china and expensive tiles. I expect to spend about 250 on a bath, 100 on a basin and 250 on a loo. Probably 600-1000 on a shower altogether, and about 150 on taps and other trinkets like bog roll holders. Tiles? about a grand. I don't skimp on tiles.... Then what else is there? The on I am doing now has an alcove that needs a mirror, and arch, some lights...marble tops need carving for the vanity units...loads of tile cement and grout...shaver socket..airing cupboard and cupboard and drawer fronts in oak...a fair bit of MDF to make the bath surround...you name it.. There is a lot of difference between a few bits of cheap china, some white 'trade' tiles and a vinyl floor and a totally equipped integrated to your own design bathroom that you WANT to spend hours in doing the crossword... 4 weeks for bathroom ??? your having a laugh, I could fit out a bathroom quicker than that and that would be doing my normal day job as well |
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On 2006-04-02, huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? Funnily enough, I'm looking to get the same sort of work done, so I'd be interested in knowing what quotes you get (notwithstanding the "it depends" views aired here). On a practical note, the time it will take is an issue too. Unless you have a second bathroom (or _very_ accommodating neighbours) what provision are you making for err, sanitation until the installation's complete? I was hoping a typical pro installer would do it in about 5 working days, so we'd prob use the parents in laws facilities... or dig a trench in the garden! -- huLLy, Methsods in Maaaadness.. an arresting experience! Founder of the ex Christian Campanology CB'ers club for self admitted drunkards Tel: 07976 123278 ICQ 136-987-925 |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? Generally mark everything up by a factor of there to get installed cost. It takes me 2-4 weeks to do a bathroom to a decent standard. So about 2-3 grand of labour and fiddly bits like plumbing. Buy cheap china and expensive tiles. I expect to spend about 250 on a bath, 100 on a basin and 250 on a loo. Probably 600-1000 on a shower altogether, and about 150 on taps and other trinkets like bog roll holders. Tiles? about a grand. I don't skimp on tiles.... Then what else is there? The on I am doing now has an alcove that needs a mirror, and arch, some lights...marble tops need carving for the vanity units...loads of tile cement and grout...shaver socket..airing cupboard and cupboard and drawer fronts in oak...a fair bit of MDF to make the bath surround...you name it.. There is a lot of difference between a few bits of cheap china, some white 'trade' tiles and a vinyl floor and a totally equipped integrated to your own design bathroom that you WANT to spend hours in doing the crossword... 4 weeks for bathroom ??? your having a laugh, I could fit out a bathroom quicker than that and that would be doing my normal day job as well Oh, I could put a heap of cheap shed crap together in a day or too for sure. I spent a whole day just getting the plasterwork up to scratch, filling sanding and caulking.. Custom carpentry to fit the cupboards and vanity units in is at least a day or two. Vertical tiling is not hard if the walls are level..but tiling over a floor that resembles a contour map of dartmoor is more challenging. Likewise doing pipework that is accurate, neat, and boxed in is non trivial sometimes. As I say, there is the world of difference between a wimpey house bog basin and bath, a few white tiles and a slab of vinyl floor, and a bathroom that is like something out of 'ideal homes' with lighting, fittings, (not easy on plasterboard walls, those take planning too) special nice radiators and towel rails, tile and marble encased bath, custom designed shower cubicle..and decorated to an A1 standard. |
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Peter Lynch wrote: On 2006-04-02, huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? Funnily enough, I'm looking to get the same sort of work done, so I'd be interested in knowing what quotes you get (notwithstanding the "it depends" views aired here). On a practical note, the time it will take is an issue too. Unless you have a second bathroom (or _very_ accommodating neighbours) what provision are you making for err, sanitation until the installation's complete? I was hoping a typical pro installer would do it in about 5 working days, so we'd prob use the parents in laws facilities... or dig a trench in the garden! You can nearly always, if there is not too much construction required, get a new bog in almost immediately. It may need to come out for tileing again, but thats no great shakes. Likewise a basin can be got in in a day or less. If there is no big deal on running pipes Putting the units in is the easy bit. Its the carpentry and the decoration that is labour intensive. You can paint a room in a day or less. It may take you a week or more to prepare it to a standard ready for painting though... |
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£5000 for a bog ....You crazy ..lol Stuart Likely had a quote from Dolphin !!!! Dave |
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Chris Bacon wrote: huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? Try asking them. I'd like to get an idea first before the relentless marketing campaign starts targeting me. Measure your bathroom up, with position of soil pipe, windows, etc., go to B&Q, Wickes, or wherever, and take advantage of their "Free design service". Allow yourself to be shown various products. Make a selection, and ask for a price estimate based on what you have shown them and what you've selected. You don't have to take any notice of any marketing campaign. |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:14:55 +0100, Andy Hall wrote:
It's like asking how long is a piece of string. No-one likes giving quotes, without major effort in working out exclt what is involved. So what can be easier is to ask for price guidance on _previous_ work. If they did a bathroom of vaguely the right size and style, ask them how much that one cost and what the fittings were. The fitter isn't tying themselves into a promise of a firm quote and you probably get a more accurate quote (assuming the style is similar) than something with a lot of hand-waving and back-covering. |
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"huLLy" wrote in message
... I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? -- huLLy, The best thing is to ask around - friends and family - that have had similar work done. If they're happy with the job they may tell you the kind of costs. you can get people in for an estimate - or better still - a quote. Decide from the recommendation of friends and/or the 'vibes' you get when they come round. It will cost more than you imagine and it will take longer than you think. Our toilet was rarely out of action - never overnight, but we lived for a month without a bath/shower - frequent rtrips to our next door neighbour. A few doors up, another neighbour has had the bathroom done - two weeks became four weeks... Also consider qualirt as well as price. I'd rather pay more for a recommend person/team than less for a bad job. All in all five people worked on our job - two plasterers - (less than a day), an electrician (two half days), plumber, gaffer/tiler. Good luck. Paul |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:22:25 +0100, "huLLy" wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? £5000 for a bog ....You crazy ..lol cheap, mine is 2m^2 and cost 12,000+ -- David Clark http://www.publishing.ucl.ac.uk $replyto = 'an.rnser.is.reqird' |
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Stuart wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:22:25 +0100, "huLLy" wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? £5000 for a bog ....You crazy ..lol cheap, mine is 2m^2 and cost 12,000+ wait, how do you spend 12k in a room that is your front door's length? unless you fill it with benson and hedges or gold then it would be hard! unless of course labour was 10k???????? |
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I have recently done this. To refit a bathroom, bath sink and toilet
circa £600 labour only. Tiling is approx 25 per square metre plus the cost of the tiles probably about another 25 per square metre. I accept that tiles can vary from 10 to 100+ per sqare but you can get a decent tile for circa 25. Also a lot depend son area where living. These are midlands prices and also allow for Vat. Allow an extra 100 to ply line the floor. Legin |
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Gav wrote:
DJC wrote: Stuart wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:22:25 +0100, "huLLy" wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? £5000 for a bog ....You crazy ..lol cheap, mine is 2m^2 and cost 12,000+ wait, how do you spend 12k in a room that is your front door's length? unless you fill it with benson and hedges or gold then it would be hard! unless of course labour was 10k???????? Its easy to spend over a grand for a bath/bog couple of grand for a shower and a grand on tiles,if you want the fashionable items. I don;t know why, but people wnat these bathrooms with ditzy craop in them OTOH is easy enough to get a shower-in-bath and bog basin and bath for under 800, taps and all, slap some vinyl on the floor, and some trade tiles up a bit of the walls, and do the job for a grand materials wise....ugly plastic fittings, exposed pipes, and a lick of paint. That sort of job will cost you a couple of grand with someone in to do it, The more affluent bathroom could be £5k, or more. Ive seen gold plated taps at 500 quid.... |
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DJC wrote: Stuart wrote: £5000 for a bog ....You crazy ..lol cheap, mine is 2m^2 and cost 12,000+ wait, how do you spend 12k in a room that is your front door's length? unless you fill it with benson and hedges or gold then it would be hard! unless of course labour was 10k???????? Wedi Fundo tray, wall boards and tanking kit. 681.00 tiles 776.30 WC, frame, cistern, 549.63 Thermo shower valve, head etc 447.39 basin, trap, and mixer tap 479.42 radiator 407.00 sundry materials, plumbing, tiling etc 630.00 ______ Total Main contract materials 3,970.74 Main contract labour 17 days @ 250 + parking 4,422.80 VAT 1,468.87 10mm toughened pre-acid glass partition & door 1,198.04 measure and fit glass 860.00 VAT 360.16 DIY stuff extract fan, ducting 184.31 (inc VAT) suspended ceiling 146.78 (inc VAT) sundry stuff, tools 300.00 I've lost count of the numerous odd bits of expenditure, in B&Q, homebase, Wickes, Ryness, Buck & Ryan, Leyland SDM, etc which easily take the above total to over 13,000. Not to mention the time its taken up over the past year, or the living in the middle of a workshop for best part of two years. Put up a shelf this evening, if I can get the floor back down in the entrance lobby next weekend, then I might get all the rubbish down to the dump by easter. Then there's just the making good to the paintwork in the main room, and the skirting boards that came off two years ago can be reinstated, and bringing the residents association to agreement about decorating and repairing common parts, and some improved windows, and... -- David Clark http://www.publishing.ucl.ac.uk $replyto = 'an.rnser.is.reqird' |
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:08:22 GMT, DJC
wrote: Gav wrote: DJC wrote: Stuart wrote: £5000 for a bog ....You crazy ..lol cheap, mine is 2m^2 and cost 12,000+ wait, how do you spend 12k in a room that is your front door's length? unless you fill it with benson and hedges or gold then it would be hard! unless of course labour was 10k???????? Wedi Fundo tray, wall boards and tanking kit. 681.00 tiles 776.30 WC, frame, cistern, 549.63 Thermo shower valve, head etc 447.39 basin, trap, and mixer tap 479.42 radiator 407.00 sundry materials, plumbing, tiling etc 630.00 ______ Total Main contract materials 3,970.74 Main contract labour 17 days @ 250 + parking 4,422.80 VAT 1,468.87 10mm toughened pre-acid glass partition & door 1,198.04 measure and fit glass 860.00 VAT 360.16 DIY stuff extract fan, ducting 184.31 (inc VAT) suspended ceiling 146.78 (inc VAT) sundry stuff, tools 300.00 I've lost count of the numerous odd bits of expenditure, in B&Q, homebase, Wickes, Ryness, Buck & Ryan, Leyland SDM, etc which easily take the above total to over 13,000. Not to mention the time its taken up over the past year, or the living in the middle of a workshop for best part of two years. Put up a shelf this evening, if I can get the floor back down in the entrance lobby next weekend, then I might get all the rubbish down to the dump by easter. Then there's just the making good to the paintwork in the main room, and the skirting boards that came off two years ago can be reinstated, and bringing the residents association to agreement about decorating and repairing common parts, and some improved windows, and... £407 for a radiator ..FFS.. |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:22:25 +0100, huLLy wrote:
I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? From another installer's excellent (but now unavailable) website: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 'Ball Park' figures (inc VAT): Simple bathroom - new suite, half tiling, no shower, layout unchanged... Typical price range: £3,000 - £5,000 including VAT Average family bathroom - new suite, new layout, vanity unit, power shower over bath, heated towel radiator, full tiling... Typical price range: £5,000 - £8,000 including VAT More complex bathroom - new suite, new layout, fitted furniture with concealed-cistern WC, power shower over bath, heated towel radiator, full tiling, recessed low-voltage lights... Typical price range: £8,000 - £10,000 including VAT. 'Luxury' bathroom - new suite, new layout, fitted furniture with concealed-cistern WC, power shower in large separate shower enclosure, heated towel radiator, full tiling, recessed low-voltage lights... Typical price range: £12,000 - £20,000 including VAT. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""""" |
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:00:25 GMT, John Stumbles
wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:22:25 +0100, huLLy wrote: I have an average sized bathroom, I want a supplier to rip out the old (everything goes including tiles) and replace with, say a 600 quid suite, retile and floor. In a round ball park figure, (Such as B&Q doing the install..) how much? I don't want to go over 5k really? From another installer's excellent (but now unavailable) website: """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 'Ball Park' figures (inc VAT): Simple bathroom - new suite, half tiling, no shower, layout unchanged... Typical price range: £3,000 - £5,000 including VAT Average family bathroom - new suite, new layout, vanity unit, power shower over bath, heated towel radiator, full tiling... Typical price range: £5,000 - £8,000 including VAT More complex bathroom - new suite, new layout, fitted furniture with concealed-cistern WC, power shower over bath, heated towel radiator, full tiling, recessed low-voltage lights... Typical price range: £8,000 - £10,000 including VAT. 'Luxury' bathroom - new suite, new layout, fitted furniture with concealed-cistern WC, power shower in large separate shower enclosure, heated towel radiator, full tiling, recessed low-voltage lights... Typical price range: £12,000 - £20,000 including VAT. """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Some people clearly get paid too much ..lol Stuart |
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:06:45 +0100, Stuart wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:00:25 GMT, John Stumbles wrote: From another installer's excellent (but now unavailable) website: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 'Ball Park' figures (inc VAT): .... Some people clearly get paid too much ..lol You mean estage agents? advertising types? executives of failing companies? Or tradespeople: ah! now _they_ have no right to a good standard of living for the work they do, have they? |
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:18:08 GMT, John Stumbles
wrote: On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:06:45 +0100, Stuart wrote: On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:00:25 GMT, John Stumbles wrote: From another installer's excellent (but now unavailable) website: """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 'Ball Park' figures (inc VAT): ... Some people clearly get paid too much ..lol You mean estage agents? advertising types? executives of failing companies? Or tradespeople: ah! now _they_ have no right to a good standard of living for the work they do, have they? Where did I mention tradespeople ...?? No..I was actually meaning people that pay that sort of dosh for a bog .. .. |
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Where did I mention tradespeople ...?? No..I was actually meaning people that pay that sort of dosh for a bog But its all relative. I've owned this flat for 21 years, not that I planned to: moving's expensive so at least three, five maybe seven. But then, either it was the wrong time to be selling, or my life was too uncertain to sell. So I am still here, and nothing's been done to it for 15 years as I was always considering a move. So now it needs doing even to sell, and I might be here for the next twenty years. The mortgage rate is less than half what I was paying 20 years ago, and the property worth five times as much. Whether I view it as payment for 20 years wear and tear, or an investment in the next twenty spending 20k over the past 2 years on refurbishment does not seem that excessive. Now I could have done it cheaper it is true, but. The DIY kitchen took months of evenings and weekends and the modestly speced bill of materials still came to a couple of thousand. Its not difficult to manage without a kitchen for months, not so easy to be without a bathroom even for a week. Cheaper to get someone in than find alternative accommodation for the months DIY would take. Now the cost of getting the work done, to a standard I find acceptable is much the same whatever the cost of the materials. If the job with the cheapest materials costs 8k and it costs another 2, or even 4k for something I may be living with for the rest of my life (if I'm still here in 20 years, I will be here till I'm carried out in a box.) then that seems reasonable to me. In the end its only money, The car can run another year, a new bathroom will last a lot longer that a new computer I do not really need to buy, if I buy fewer books I can save on bookshelves. -- David Clark http://www.publishing.ucl.ac.uk $replyto = 'an.rnser.is.reqird' |
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:22:23 +0100, Stuart wrote:
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:18:08 GMT, John Stumbles wrote: On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:06:45 +0100, Stuart wrote: On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:00:25 GMT, John Stumbles wrote: From another installer's excellent (but now unavailable) website: """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 'Ball Park' figures (inc VAT): ... Some people clearly get paid too much ..lol You mean estage agents? advertising types? executives of failing companies? Or tradespeople: ah! now _they_ have no right to a good standard of living for the work they do, have they? Where did I mention tradespeople ...?? No..I was actually meaning people that pay that sort of dosh for a bog Fairy Nuff. If you'd said some people _have_ too much money I'd have known what you meant. But it's all relative, isn't it? I mean, even to buy a packet of crisps is obscene in the context of how some people on our planet live. I've never paid more than a grand for a car but even that's a fortune for most humans, globally. For the price of my house I could probably buy a medium size village in many places. |
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