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Hi all

Looking at a replacement boiler prior to kitchen refurb and I see that
Worcester Bosch do HE28 and HE29.
The difference is, one is "system" boiler containing pump and the other
"conventional" boiler without pump.
Both I believe are condensing units so presumably meet the recent required
standards.
BUT
The system boiler appears to be used on sealed systems only!
Can someone explain why please?

I am improving (I hope) a 1970s build house.
Is it likely that the system will be "sealable". What would make it
unsuitable for sealing?
I currently have Gloworm Spacesaver 50 and pumped S plan piping (with some
naff modifications).
I am replacing all rads with Drayton TRVs and Pegler Terrier lockshields (as
I renovate each room).

Any recommendations on controls for whichever boiler is recommended?

TIA


Phil


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Hi all

Looking at a replacement boiler prior to kitchen refurb and I see that
Worcester Bosch do HE28 and HE29.
The difference is, one is "system" boiler containing pump and the other
"conventional" boiler without pump.
Both I believe are condensing units so presumably meet the recent required
standards.
BUT
The system boiler appears to be used on sealed systems only!
Can someone explain why please?


Because that is what they are designed for. One box with all controls
inside inc pump. A combi without the water section

I am improving (I hope) a 1970s build house.
Is it likely that the system will be "sealable".
What would make it unsuitable for sealing?


Nothing. Some of the old rads may pop and need replacing because of the
increased pressure. If they do they were on there way out anyway. Flush
the system using Fernox system cleaner.

I currently have Gloworm Spacesaver
50 and pumped S plan piping (with some
naff modifications).
I am replacing all rads with Drayton
TRVs and Pegler Terrier lockshields (as
I renovate each room).

Any recommendations on controls for
whichever boiler is recommended?


Try an Alpha CD50 stored water high flow combi. It will do your bungalow no
problem as long as the cold mains is fine and fill a bath in few minutes.
It has built-in by-pass, cyclone debris catcher, anti-frost too. No
cylinder taking up space and all those troublesome valves hanging around
making the place look like something from a Fed Dibnah show.
Use a Honeywell CM67 optimiser stat/programmer, that decided when to start
the heating in the morning to the temperature set point and time set.




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Doctor Evil

Thanks for response but:

Property is 4 bed detached, not bungalow, hence 29kw boiler considered -
existing 50000btu model is struggling big style.
Tending away from combis due to pipe routing headaches and demand from 2
bathrooms SWMBO and teenage kids!

Phil


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Doctor Evil

Thanks for response but:

Property is 4 bed detached, not bungalow, hence 29kw boiler considered -
existing 50000btu model is struggling big style.
Tending away from combis due to pipe routing headaches and demand from 2
bathrooms SWMBO and teenage kids!

Phil

Go for the two smaller boilers option. One for heating and one for hot
water.

You can also use a combi to heat a storage tank for hot water. Nothing to
stop that option if your demand is high.


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BigWallop

That would mean major piping works!
As the modern boilers modulate, is the 2 boiler approach justified (other
than by the "only one service is lost in the event of failure" argument).

Phil




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Hi Phil,
As mentioned in another post, next week sees the replacement of my 24kw
old boiler with
a 40kw condensing boiler.
Same size house I guess: 4 bedroom detached. The gas engineer that we
got to give us some
advice had a fit when I told him that in the last 7 years I managed to
ADD twelve radiators to
the existing eleven radiator system (!)
Hence the need for a beefier boiler.
No doubt the lack of the word "combi" will irritate the idiot...

Mungo

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The system boiler appears to be used on sealed systems only!
Can someone explain why please?


Manufacturers have different ideas of what system means.

However, almost all of them agree that it will include a pressure vessel,
pressure gauge, pressure relief valve etc. for sealed operation. Most (but
not all) also include the pump and filling loop.

Is it likely that the system will be "sealable". What would make it
unsuitable for sealing?


If the pipework starts weeping at the joints, then it wasn't suitable.
However, this is just bringing forward the inevitable. You might as well
have the leaks fixed now when the plumber is round, rather than letting them
develop naturally and have them express themselves on the first day of your
foreign holiday next year.

1970s plumbing would definitely have been designed for the pressure. Only
faulty installation or serious corrosion will have let to them no longer
being suited. Do note that during the copper shortage of the 1970s, pipes
were made thinner and may not have their full longevity.

Christian.


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Doctor Evil

Thanks for response but:

Property is 4 bed detached, not bungalow, hence 29kw boiler considered -
existing 50000btu model is struggling big style.
Tending away from combis due to pipe routing headaches and demand from 2
bathrooms SWMBO and teenage kids!


Any combi will do for heating purposes. The Alpha can do two shower no
problem. It will fill two bath simultaneously a bit slowly, but one bath
as fast as most cylinders. The recovery rate is minutes. Fill one bath
leave 5 mins and fill another. When the internal store is depleted it
reverts to normal combi flows.

I have a relative who fitted one on my advise when building an extension and
an extra bathroom. After 3 months they have had no problems with three
teenagers. They like the powerful power shower type mains showers. Fills
baths pronto and have never had to fill two baths together. If so, wait a
few minutes and it fills in a few minutes. It also heats the house up very
quickly compared to the old boiler they had

If you are going cylinder then get a quick recovery as you can downsize the
cylinder. This will reheat in minutes. Use two 2 port zone valves and have
the system a priority system with DHW priority. Instead of a power shower
pump have shower immersion coils. Two can be fitted in the cylinder as well
as a quick recovery coil.
http://www.rcmgroup.co.uk/mains_pres...ower/index.htm





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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:37:19 +0100, "TheScullster"
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BigWallop

That would mean major piping works!
As the modern boilers modulate, is the 2 boiler approach justified (other
than by the "only one service is lost in the event of failure" argument).

Phil



No it isn't.

For the scenario that you describe, stored HW is a much better option.
You may wish to upgrade the cylinder to a fast recovery type.

I did the exercise of changing boiler, swapping to sealed operation
and replacing the cylinder with a larger fast recovery type a couple
of years ago.

It doesn't need major upheaval, simply removal of the small header
tank and fitting of sealed system components. Very straightforward.



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After 3 months they have had no problems with three
teenagers.


Now I know that you're not telling the truth.....



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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:52:18 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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After 3 months they have had no problems with three
teenagers.


Now I know that you're not telling the truth.....


Yours may have been in court, they defiantly have had no problems whatsoever
with theirs.


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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:37:19 +0100, "TheScullster"
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BigWallop

That would mean major piping works!
As the modern boilers modulate, is the
2 boiler approach justified (other
than by the "only one service is lost in
the event of failure" argument).


For the scenario that you describe,
stored HW is a much better option.
You may wish to upgrade the cylinder
to a fast recovery type.


Nor so. The cheapest option, which will give greater longevity and save
space and never runs out of hot water, is one of the new Japanese 2 bathroom
instant hot water high flow multi-points. The Rinnai is "very" reliable, and
is sold all over the world. Rinnai are the world's largest gas appliance
maker, with typical Japanese quality.

A 29kW system boiler will cost about £775 (Glow Worm 30kW system boiler)
250 litre unvented cylinder complete with valves is: £1404 inc all valves.
Which is £2179.

A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder, and gives around 25-26
litres/min and does two bathrooms, and NEVER runs out of hot water, and can
be fitted outside is £863 and £124 for an external guard and the Glow Worm
to heat the CH at £775, is a total of: £1762. £417 cheaper.

The Rinnai will outlast the unvented cylinder and cannot explode causing
catastrophic damage. It is best to fit a flow switch on the cold supply to
the Rinnai to switch off the Glow Worm CH boiler to keep gas consumption
within a U6 domestic meter. Wire it in the stat/programmer circuit in
series. When DHW is called (hot tap on) the CH boiler is switched off.

This by far the best solution.

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Doctor Evil wrote:

A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder, and gives around 25-26
litres/min


It may, but your cold main may well not....
It is also still **** poor compared to a decent storage system.

The Rinnai will outlast the unvented cylinder and cannot explode causing


Who mentioned an unvented cylinder?

This by far the best solution.


If you happen to have the right set of circumstances to match this
months favourite solution from Dr. D.

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"Doctor Evil" wrote:

A 29kW system boiler will cost about £775 (Glow Worm 30kW system boiler)
250 litre unvented cylinder complete with valves is: £1404 inc all valves.
Which is £2179.


A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder, and gives around 25-26
litres/min and does two bathrooms, and NEVER runs out of hot water, and can
be fitted outside is £863 and £124 for an external guard and the Glow Worm
to heat the CH at £775, is a total of: £1762. £417 cheaper.

The Rinnai will outlast the unvented cylinder and cannot explode causing
catastrophic damage. It is best to fit a flow switch on the cold supply to
the Rinnai to switch off the Glow Worm CH boiler to keep gas consumption
within a U6 domestic meter. Wire it in the stat/programmer circuit in
series. When DHW is called (hot tap on) the CH boiler is switched off.

This by far the best solution.


Who the **** would be so stupid to spend 1400 quid on a unvented
cylinder, which by the way CANNOT explode) when a conventional
cylinder at around 100 quid is, in the majority of cases just as good.
I say cannot but given a few hours to override all the safety features
it might be enough to take off that thick skull of yours, but we
digress.

The Japanese are well known for their habit of washing things under
running water rather than sticking a plug in it, such a wasteful
nation you will not come across (apart from the yanks). A
conventional hot water cylinder feeding a power shower will run until
your skin wrinkles, if you are having a bath you want to spend ages
in it not 5 mins, dump the water down the drain and run a fresh one
Although If you are French you'd have a dribbly cold shower lasting
18.5 seconds and come out stinking of garlic and stale sweat.

Oh and by the way £775 + £100 is a lot less than £1762

Also "A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder"

Yet you add a "Glow Worm to heat the CH" Now this Glow Worm just
fits in no space at all then does it, truly remarkable.

Have you got shares in this jap concern you raving tosspot?

"When DHW is called (hot tap on) the CH boiler is switched off."

So unless I fit 800mm of rockwool in my loft I'll freeze when I'm
having a bath?

"It is best to fit a flow switch on the cold supply to the Rinnai to
switch off the Glow Worm CH boiler to keep gas consumption within a U6
domestic meter"

Nice facility, all approved is it?


To the original poster, go for the system boiler it keeps the plumbing
easy plus you loose the header tank in the loft and keep your existing
hot water tank. Just forget the ranting's of the dual combi tosspot
- although he has now moved on to a combi and a conventional, who
knows given a few million years of evolution he might move on to a
single boiler WITH a hot water tank.


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"Doctor Evil" wrote:

A 29kW system boiler will cost about £775 (Glow Worm 30kW system boiler)
250 litre unvented cylinder complete with valves is: £1404 inc all

valves.
Which is £2179.


A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder, and gives around 25-26
litres/min and does two bathrooms, and NEVER runs out of hot water, and

can
be fitted outside is £863 and £124 for an external guard and the Glow

Worm
to heat the CH at £775, is a total of: £1762. £417 cheaper.

The Rinnai will outlast the unvented cylinder and cannot explode causing
catastrophic damage. It is best to fit a flow switch on the cold supply

to
the Rinnai to switch off the Glow Worm CH boiler to keep gas consumption
within a U6 domestic meter. Wire it in the stat/programmer circuit in
series. When DHW is called (hot tap on) the CH boiler is switched off.

This by far the best solution.


Who the **** would be so stupid
to spend 1400 quid on a unvented
cylinder, which by the way CANNOT
explode


You obviously don't know too much about this. Unvented cylinders "can"
explode if the safety mechanisms fail. When they go it is a full insurance
job. They can take down walls too when they go. Not a nice sight. The
price is from discountedheating web site. A Megaflow with valves.

) when a conventional
cylinder at around 100 quid is, in the
majority of cases just as good.


£100, that is cheap and nasty and will not last long. It also requires a
cold tank and all that pipe too and then you need power shower pumps, which
for a decent one is £250 plus for one shower. Two showers x 2.

I say cannot but given a few
hours to override all the safety features
it might be enough to take off that thick
skull of yours, but we digress.


It is clear you know nothing of this subject. The UK and Ireland are
virtually alone in having the cold tank/cylinder setup. The rest of the
world laugh at the Brits. Most here still think Victoria is on the throne.

The Japanese are well known for
their habit of washing things under
running water rather than sticking a
plug in it,


That they do. And very clean as well.

such a wasteful nation you will not come
across (apart from the yanks).


Their appliances are quite efficient, unlike the Yanks.

A conventional hot water cylinder
feeding a power shower will run until
your skin wrinkles,


And exhausts the cylinder very quickly. You need a large cylinder. In fact
that £1400 for the unvented cylinder was 250 litres, it should be over 300
litres if two high pressure showers are being used for any length of time.
So, that is even more expense, which is £1,515. Going up!

if you are having a bath you want to spend ages
in it not 5 mins, dump the water down the drain and run a fresh one
Although If you are French you'd have a dribbly cold shower lasting
18.5 seconds and come out stinking of garlic and stale sweat.

Oh and by the way £775 + £100
is a lot less than £1762


And the pipework and the cold tank and two power shower pumps. And this £100
cylinder will do two showers with a pump simultaneously? Er no!! So, you
are looking at about £400 for a 300 litre minimum two bathroom job. Then a
quick recovery coil is even more. Then there is all the zone valves etc.
Price is rising here, and all this money for outdated technology that looks
like a school boiler house takes up an amazing amount of space and the rest
of the world laughs at. And then you have to buy the extremely noisy,
vibrating, exopensive power shower pumps too. It's getting worse!

Also "A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder"

Yet you add a "Glow Worm to heat the CH"
Now this Glow Worm just fits in no space
at all then does it, truly remarkable.


Please read again. Focus a little.

Have you got shares in this jap concern you raving tosspot?


Brainless, you don't know much about this subject do you? Do you work for a
cylinder company. they are crapping themselves because high flow combi's and
now the Japs are here dragging the nation along kicking screaming. Wait
until Tagsaki import here. Condensing 32 litres/minute instant multi-points
that consume 190 cu foot an hour. Brilliant. A Tagsaki or Rinnai will
outlast an unvented cylinder, even one costing more than ant of the
multi-points.

"When DHW is called (hot tap on) the CH boiler is switched off."


Yep.

So unless I fit 800mm of rockwool
in my loft I'll freeze when I'm
having a bath?


You really are not that bright are you? As the multi-point fills the bath
in about 4 to 5 minutes, you will freeze for well, er, er, er, 5 minutes?
So, you r 22C house will drop to freezing consditions in "5 minutes". You
are having a laugh. You are a one.

"It is best to fit a flow switch on the
cold supply to the Rinnai to
switch off the Glow Worm CH boiler to
keep gas consumption within a U6
domestic meter"


...and ther next stupid question..

Nice facility, all approved is it?


Yep. All flow switches are CE rated.

To the original poster, go for the
system boiler it keeps the plumbing
easy plus you loose the header tank
in the loft and keep your existing
hot water tank.


The term is cylinder, not tank. Don't give advice on subjects you clearly
do not know much about.

BTW, two combi's. Highly cost effective. Two Glow Worms: one 24Cxi's costs
£529 and a 30cxi £567 from use less energy, that is only £1096. That is a
total of 178 cu foot per hour and a combined 22 litres/min @ 35C temp rise.

One does upstairs CH with a stat/programmer and one does downstairs - two
separate zones using less fuel. One does one bathroom, one does the other.
Divide and rule and one doesn't influence the other when showers are taken.
Combine the outputs for the baths, where high flows are required.

I know of no cost effective way to get:

- two CH zones,
- condensing technology,
- no water storage so no standing losses,
- not running out of hot water at any time
- liberating space in the house
- eliminating a cylinder,
- no tanks in the loft to give off water vapour promoting condensation up
there.
- high pressure showers.

Less than £1,100 plus two stat/programmers. How is the cylinder business?
Losing ground to superior technology eh?





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Doctor Evil wrote:

A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder, and gives around 25-26
litres/min


It may, but your cold main may well not....
It is also still **** poor compared to a
decent storage system.


Nonsense! If you want to know ask, don't make comments on a subject you
little about. well you are from Essex.

The Rinnai will outlast the unvented
cylinder and cannot explode causing


Who mentioned an unvented cylinder?


I did. Please read and understand. I know it is difficult for you.

This by far the best solution.


If you happen to have the right set
of circumstances to match this
months favourite solution from Dr. D.


If you want a two bathroom setup this is highly cost effective, as is two
combi's. Beats unvented cylinders and the likes all around in capital cost,
running costs, space saving, ect.


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If you want a two bathroom setup this is highly cost effective, as is two
combi's.


Two combi's what? Does this Japanese product own something?

I wouldn't set any particular store as to whether their products are
any good or not or even whether they are the largest manufacturer of
gas appliances as you claim. I can't be bothered to check either.

However, your track record in this area is quite poor. Only recently,
you were claiming that Ryobi was a major Japanese tool product with
all that you thought was implied by that, only to discover that they
had sold their tools business to a faceless Chinese manufacturing
house.




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Doctor Evil wrote:

It may, but your cold main may well not....
It is also still **** poor compared to a
decent storage system.



Nonsense! If you want to know ask, don't make comments on a subject you
little about.


No point in asking you obviously...

Many places have a cold main that will do 20lpm tops, some even less.
With water companies dropping pressures to control leaks this situation
is likely to get worse rather than better.

Many people have storage systems that will deliver 30lpm of water at 65
degrees, which mixed with the 20lpm from the cold gives bath fill rates
of 50lpm. Twice what your multipoint will do if only it could get the
cold water to it at a suitable rate.

The Rinnai will outlast the unvented
cylinder and cannot explode causing


Who mentioned an unvented cylinder?



I did. Please read and understand. I know it is difficult for you.


So you introduced the unvented cylinder bit just so you could argue with
yourself about it?

You should seek help....

This by far the best solution.


But last month you were claiming something else was "by far the best
solution".... Which of your deluded personalities are we supposed to
believe?

It may be a good solution in some circumstances, but your inability to
present balanced reasoning with the limitations as well as the benefits
makes you sound like snivelling squirming politician... Still given
your political role models I guess that is understandable.

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utter drivel snipped

As I said before :

Who the **** would be so stupid to spend 1400 quid on a unvented
cylinder, which by the way CANNOT explode) when a conventional
cylinder at around 100 quid is, in the majority of cases just as
good........

Now, brace yourself oh dim one and as Jennifer Aniston the celebrity
plumber who once washed her hair said here's the science bit

*******
........I say cannot but given a few hours to override all the safety
features it might be enough to take off that thick skull of yours, but
we digress.

******

Now then dim one read this:

I DON'T have any financial interest in ANY company associated with
central heating

Got it?

I don't have any financial interests in any copper mine either.

Got it?

Now on we go

One more thing I'm still wondering where you will site that "Glow Worm
to heat the CH" Does it just fit in no space at all then does it, as
David Coleman (ex plumbers mate and celebrity part time sports
commentator) once said, truly remarkable.

Is "Doctor Evil" really John Prescott?


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"Doctor Evil" wrote:


As I said before :


I know yiou did and it was just as silly then as it is now.

Who the **** would be so stupid
to spend 1400 quid on a unvented
cylinder, which by the way CANNOT
explode)


Utter ********. I have seen the aftermath of one exploding. Not a pretty
sight.
It was £1515 in fact llok at discountedheatings web site, Megafklows. And
they give good deals.

when a conventional cylinder at
around 100 quid is,


Youn have been told befire a two bath room low presure cheapo cylinder is
NOT £100. go x 5, and then all the valves and cold tank, etc.

in the majority of cases just as
good........


It is never as good as a Megalflow or high flow multi-point or combi(s). And
the cold tank gets filled with crap, and Legionella can form.

I DON'T have any financial interest
in ANY company associated with
entral heating


You are an effing liar, or an effing idiot or more likely both.

Now on we go


More hilarity.

One more thing I'm still wondering
where you will site that "Glow Worm
to heat the CH"


Wherever convenient in the house. Duh! Boy are there some thickos on
Usenet.




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Doctor Evil wrote:

It may, but your cold main may well not....
It is also still **** poor compared to a
decent storage system.



Nonsense! If you want to know ask,
don't make comments on a subject you
little about.


No point in asking you obviously...


You haven't tried, you think yiou know-it-all.

Many places have a cold main that
will do 20lpm tops, some even less.
With water companies dropping
pressures to control leaks this situation
is likely to get worse rather than better.


Most do not. Next....

Many people have storage
systems that will deliver 30lpm of water at 65
degrees, which mixed with the 20lpm
from the cold gives bath fill rates
of 50lpm.


So two baths at 100 litres/min. That is some cold water main there. Those
are few and far between. Next....

Twice what your multipoint will do
if only it could get the
cold water to it at a suitable rate.


About 27 litres/min hot only. Most home only get 30 litres./min, so it is
well in there. Next....

The Rinnai will outlast the unvented
cylinder and cannot explode causing

Who mentioned an unvented cylinder?


I did. Please read and understand.
I know it is difficult for you.


So you introduced the unvented cylinder
bit just so you could argue with yourself about it?


Making point, and new appliance hitting the UK. Some idiot on this thread
is say a cheapo 100 litre £100n cheap cylinder can do two bathrooms and
power showers and all that. Boy we really get them here.

You should seek help....


snip Essex drivel


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If you want a two bathroom setup this is highly cost effective, as is two
combi's.


Two combi's what?


Two combi's is two of them rather than one or three.

Does this Japanese product own something?


More babble.

I wouldn't set any particular store as to whether their products are
any good or not or even whether they are the largest manufacturer of
gas appliances as you claim. I can't be bothered to check either.


Rinnai are top notch. They even a remote control to set the temps. And one
that goes in the shower so you can set the temp in there and no one
interferes. Brill eh?

However, your track record in
this area is quite poor.


What arae would you be referring to?

Only recently, you were claiming
that Ryobi was a major Japanese
tool product with all that you thought


snip babbleing drivel

Power tool have no connection wit multi-points. You are very confused and
should shave that mouse off your lip.


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IMM wrote

A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder, and gives around 25-26
litres/min and does two bathrooms, and NEVER runs out of hot water, and can
be fitted outside


Tricky with my 6L/min water supply!!!

This by far the best solution.

Yes??



To the original poster, go for the system boiler it keeps the plumbing
easy plus you loose the header tank in the loft and keep your existing
hot water tank. Just forget the ranting's of the dual combi tosspot
- although he has now moved on to a combi and a conventional, who
knows given a few million years of evolution he might move on to a
single boiler WITH a hot water tank.


Probably agree with the above boiler advice, but doubt the optimism
about IMM's future development.

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IMM wrote

A Rinnai 32E which saves space as no cylinder, and gives around 25-26
litres/min and does two bathrooms, and NEVER runs out of hot water, and

can
be fitted outside


Tricky with my 6L/min water supply!!!


Well move to a place with decent water supply.

This by far the best solution.


Yes??


Yes.

To the original poster, go for the system boiler it keeps the plumbing
easy plus you loose the header tank in the loft and keep your existing
hot water tank. Just forget the ranting's of the dual combi tosspot
- although he has now moved on to a combi and a conventional,


You are confused.

who
knows given a few million years of evolution he might move on to a
single boiler WITH a hot water tank.


Probably agree with the above boiler advice, but doubt the optimism
about IMM's future development.


But you don't know, so your opinion is well, not worth a light. Sad but
true.



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And this £100
cylinder will do two showers with a pump simultaneously? Er no!!


Experience says YES!!


You really are not that bright are you? As the multi-point fills the bath
in about 4 to 5 minutes, you will freeze for well, er, er, er, 5 minutes?


So thats a 24-30L bath then?


I know of no cost effective way


Now that we could agree with.

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And this £100
cylinder will do two showers with a pump simultaneously? Er no!!


Experience says YES!!


As your experience is virtually none to mine, er, er, NO, NO, NO. Nothing
worse than smart arsed amateurs.

snip drivel

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snip drivel



When did you go for the snip?



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Two combi's what?


Two combi's is two of them rather than one or three.


You really are quite remarkably stupid.

See http://tinyurl.com/3s4hx



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Two combi's what?


Two combi's is two of them rather than one or three.


You really are quite remarkably stupid.


Do you mean two combi's is really one?

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In article , Doctor Evil
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Two combi's what?


Two combi's is two of them rather than one or three.


You really are quite remarkably stupid.

See http://tinyurl.com/3s4hx

Forget it, he won't understand

He really is too stupid

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Andy Hall wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:46:17 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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snip drivel




When did you go for the snip?


Can't see why he would bother.... his personality seems contraceptive
enough.

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In message , Mike Tomlinson
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In article , Doctor Evil
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Two combi's what?

Two combi's is two of them rather than one or three.


You really are quite remarkably stupid.

See http://tinyurl.com/3s4hx

Forget it, he won't understand

He really is too stupid


..."stupid" Maxie did scream and shout
...he thinks all people are silly no doubt
...he thinks he is of greater mind
...the smart and sophisto kind

...the truth, Maxie is warped up top
...he swings up trees in polka dot
...on a beach he fleeces them all
...while wearing a gown only seen in a ball




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In message , Doctor Evil
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"raden" wrote in message
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In message , Mike Tomlinson
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In article , Doctor Evil
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Two combi's what?

Two combi's is two of them rather than one or three.

You really are quite remarkably stupid.

See http://tinyurl.com/3s4hx

Forget it, he won't understand

He really is too stupid


.."stupid" Maxie did scream and shout
..he thinks all people are silly no doubt
..he thinks he is of greater mind
..the smart and sophisto kind

..the truth, Maxie is warped up top
..he swings up trees in polka dot
..on a beach he fleeces them all
..while wearing a gown only seen in a ball

As I said ...

he really is too stupid

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 15:34:43 +0100, John Rumm
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Andy Hall wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:46:17 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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snip drivel




When did you go for the snip?


Can't see why he would bother.... his personality seems contraceptive
enough.


Hmm... I've never thought of 'contraceptive' used broadly as an
adjective before, but it's very fitting.....




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In article ,
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..while wearing a gown only seen in a ball

As I said ...


he really is too stupid


Perhaps he's been thrown out of the Tango dancing club? After all wearing
a Dr Evil badge isn't quite the same as IMM.

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Hmm... I've never thought of 'contraceptive' used broadly as an
adjective before, but it's very fitting.....


Do they sell these 'contraceptives' at Lidl?



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Hmm... I've never thought of 'contraceptive' used broadly as an
adjective before, but it's very fitting.....


Do they sell these 'contraceptives' at Lidl?


Why don't you look next time you're in there.



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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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Hmm... I've never thought of 'contraceptive' used broadly as an
adjective before, but it's very fitting.....


Do they sell these 'contraceptives' at Lidl?

Most Lidl staff do. :-)


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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:02:19 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message
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Hmm... I've never thought of 'contraceptive' used broadly as an
adjective before, but it's very fitting.....


Do they sell these 'contraceptives' at Lidl?


Why don't you look next time you're in there.


As you are so opinionated on the store, then you should know.

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As I said ...


he really is too stupid


Our electric caber tossing person enters the thread....

Perhaps


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Not worth it, I will not put you through the babble.

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