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jon June 15th 05 05:13 PM

What timer/programmer/thermostat for Ideal isar 30 HE
 
What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.

TIA

Jon.



Doctor Evil June 15th 05 07:02 PM


"jon" wrote in message
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What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


The hot water is on-demand so no propgramming required. Buy a Honeywell
CM67 with the optimisation function - a stat/programmer.
http://tinyurl.com/aw6um





jon June 15th 05 07:45 PM


"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
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What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am
off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if
so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


The hot water is on-demand so no propgramming required. Buy a Honeywell
CM67 with the optimisation function - a stat/programmer.
http://tinyurl.com/aw6um




Link didn't work. Is it this one ref: 310463

Cheers

Jon



Doctor Evil June 15th 05 08:08 PM


"jon" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
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What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am
off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if
so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


The hot water is on-demand so no propgramming required. Buy a Honeywell
CM67 with the optimisation function - a stat/programmer.
http://tinyurl.com/aw6um


Link didn't work. Is it this one ref: 310463


Yep.

Honeywell T6667B1085 CM67 Prog Room Stat With Optimum Start (Reference
#310463)

Price ex VAT: £46.00 £54.05 Including VAT at 17.5%


jon June 15th 05 09:00 PM


"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
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What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and
water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am
off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat,
if
so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and
where
should it/they be sited.

The hot water is on-demand so no propgramming required. Buy a
Honeywell
CM67 with the optimisation function - a stat/programmer.
http://tinyurl.com/aw6um


Link didn't work. Is it this one ref: 310463


Yep.

Honeywell T6667B1085 CM67 Prog Room Stat With Optimum Start (Reference
#310463)

Price ex VAT: £46.00 £54.05 Including VAT at 17.5%


Cheers,

Are you the real Dr Evil?

If so, it's a bit of come-down, from attempted world domination, to helping
have-a-go diy-ers.

Jon



Doctor Evil June 15th 05 10:21 PM


"jon" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
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What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use.

I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and
water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at

7am
off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat,
if
so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and
where
should it/they be sited.

The hot water is on-demand so no propgramming required. Buy a
Honeywell
CM67 with the optimisation function - a stat/programmer.
http://tinyurl.com/aw6um


Link didn't work. Is it this one ref: 310463


Yep.

Honeywell T6667B1085 CM67 Prog Room Stat With Optimum Start (Reference
#310463)

Price ex VAT: £46.00 £54.05 Including VAT at 17.5%


Cheers,

Are you the real Dr Evil?

If so, it's a bit of come-down, from attempted world domination, to

helping
have-a-go diy-ers.


I dominate the world of DIY, and especially heating, water heating and
things heating and much of the universe too.


jon June 15th 05 11:28 PM


"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
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"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
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"jon" wrote in message
...

"Doctor Evil" wrote in message
...

"jon" wrote in message
...

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to
use.

I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and
water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at

7am
off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room
thermostat,
if
so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and
where
should it/they be sited.

The hot water is on-demand so no propgramming required. Buy a
Honeywell
CM67 with the optimisation function - a stat/programmer.
http://tinyurl.com/aw6um

Link didn't work. Is it this one ref: 310463

Yep.

Honeywell T6667B1085 CM67 Prog Room Stat With Optimum Start (Reference
#310463)

Price ex VAT: £46.00 £54.05 Including VAT at 17.5%


Cheers,

Are you the real Dr Evil?

If so, it's a bit of come-down, from attempted world domination, to

helping
have-a-go diy-ers.


I dominate the world of DIY, and especially heating, water heating and
things heating and much of the universe too.


Dr Evil

Is this one ok, it's £20 cheaper than the honeywell at screwfix.

it's the battery powered TP5 model http://tinyurl.com/ddrpm

Cheers

Jon



raden June 15th 05 11:40 PM

In message , jon
writes

Cheers,

Are you the real Dr Evil?

If so, it's a bit of come-down, from attempted world domination, to helping
have-a-go diy-ers.

He's just a sad, self deluded ******

--
geoff

John Rumm June 15th 05 11:58 PM

jon wrote:

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


I used a Horstman one on my Isar HE35:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...12157&ts=72301

Works very well. It has up to six different timed zones in a 24 hour
period, so you can have night time, early morning, morning, afternoon,
early and late evening each at different temperatures if you want. It is
also easy to override an tweek the temp up or down with the push of a
button.

Stick it in a room with a rad that has two lockshields fitted (i.e. no
TRV). The hall is a common choice - but front room may be good also.
Make sure there are no other frequently used heat sources in the same
room, or else you may find you one nice warm room and a cold house.

No need to worry about hot water, that is allways ready to go on demand.

--
Cheers,

John.

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Doctor Evil June 16th 05 12:03 AM


"raden" wrote in message
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In message , jon
writes

Cheers,

Are you the real Dr Evil?

If so, it's a bit of come-down, from attempted world domination, to

helping
have-a-go diy-ers.


He's just a sad, self deluded ******


...of sef abuse Maxie does spurt
...a man who climbs trees in a very tight skirt

...why does he wear his pretty frocks?
...without any matching bobby socks?

...he boasts of making loads of dough
...while on beaches in his chiffon flow

...what sad *******s give Maxie a ready?
...are they sex mad people mentally unsteady?

...it's clear for all and plain to see
...how Maxie earns money on a beach up a tree
...his prime attraction causes people to frown
...the sight of fat Maxie in a flowing ballgown



jon June 16th 05 04:40 PM


"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
jon wrote:

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am
off at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat,
if so are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and
where should it/they be sited.


I used a Horstman one on my Isar HE35:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...12157&ts=72301

Works very well. It has up to six different timed zones in a 24 hour
period, so you can have night time, early morning, morning, afternoon,
early and late evening each at different temperatures if you want. It is
also easy to override an tweek the temp up or down with the push of a
button.

Stick it in a room with a rad that has two lockshields fitted (i.e. no
TRV). The hall is a common choice - but front room may be good also. Make
sure there are no other frequently used heat sources in the same room, or
else you may find you one nice warm room and a cold house.

No need to worry about hot water, that is allways ready to go on demand.

--
Cheers,

John.



Cheers, just ordered it.

Jon



Doctor Evil June 16th 05 05:44 PM


"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
jon wrote:

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am

off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if

so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


I used a Horstman one on my Isar HE35:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...12157&ts=72301

Works very well. It has up to six different timed zones in a 24 hour
period, so you can have night time, early morning, morning, afternoon,
early and late evening each at different temperatures if you want. It is
also easy to override an tweek the temp up or down with the push of a
button.

Stick it in a room with a rad that has two lockshields fitted (i.e. no
TRV). The hall is a common choice - but front room may be good also.
Make sure there are no other frequently used heat sources in the same
room, or else you may find you one nice warm room and a cold house.

No need to worry about hot water, that is allways ready to go on demand.


It has no optimisation. The Honeywell is a superior unit.


Ed Sirett June 16th 05 10:56 PM

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:13:53 +0000, jon wrote:

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


Water heating is automatic.

You only need a programmable room stat.
I recommend the CentaurStat7 (7 days can all be different if you really
want), up to 6 change points per day.
Has holiday mode (lock on a low temp whilst away in winter).
Needs three AA bats which last for years.

Less than £30 quid from S/fix part no 12157.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html



Ed Sirett June 16th 05 10:57 PM

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:44:25 +0100, Doctor Evil wrote:


"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
jon wrote:

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am

off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if

so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


I used a Horstman one on my Isar HE35:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...12157&ts=72301

Works very well. It has up to six different timed zones in a 24 hour
period, so you can have night time, early morning, morning, afternoon,
early and late evening each at different temperatures if you want. It is
also easy to override an tweek the temp up or down with the push of a
button.

Stick it in a room with a rad that has two lockshields fitted (i.e. no
TRV). The hall is a common choice - but front room may be good also.
Make sure there are no other frequently used heat sources in the same
room, or else you may find you one nice warm room and a cold house.

No need to worry about hot water, that is allways ready to go on demand.


It has no optimisation. The Honeywell is a superior unit.

Which is too complicated for 90%+ of customers.
The Horstmann unit is too complex for 40%.

--
Ed Sirett - Property maintainer and registered gas fitter.
The FAQ for uk.diy is at http://www.diyfaq.org.uk
Gas fitting FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html
Sealed CH FAQ http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/SealedCH.html



Doctor Evil June 17th 05 11:41 AM


"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
n.co.uk...
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:13:53 +0000, jon wrote:

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use. I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at 7am

off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat, if

so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and where
should it/they be sited.


Water heating is automatic.

You only need a programmable room stat.
I recommend the CentaurStat7 (7 days can all be different if you really
want), up to 6 change points per day.
Has holiday mode (lock on a low temp whilst away in winter).
Needs three AA bats which last for years.

Less than £30 quid from S/fix part no 12157.


Cheap and nasty. Having optimisation is the best way, like the CM67. It
saves a fuel, and the stat/programmer will soon pay for itself. If you
going to do it do it properly.



Doctor Evil June 17th 05 11:57 AM


"Ed Sirett" wrote in message
n.co.uk...
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:44:25 +0100, Doctor Evil wrote:


"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
jon wrote:

What thingy do I need, as Ideal don't make or recommend what to use.

I
basically need something that will let me program the heating and

water
seperately over a 7 day period, the usual stuff like heating on at

7am
off
at 9am, on at 4pm of at 6pm. Also do I need some of room thermostat,

if
so
are there all in one jobbies, programmer, timer, thermo, etc, and

where
should it/they be sited.

I used a Horstman one on my Isar HE35:

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/...12157&ts=72301

Works very well. It has up to six different timed zones in a 24 hour
period, so you can have night time, early morning, morning, afternoon,
early and late evening each at different temperatures if you want. It

is
also easy to override an tweek the temp up or down with the push of a
button.

Stick it in a room with a rad that has two lockshields fitted (i.e. no
TRV). The hall is a common choice - but front room may be good also.
Make sure there are no other frequently used heat sources in the same
room, or else you may find you one nice warm room and a cold house.

No need to worry about hot water, that is allways ready to go on

demand.

It has no optimisation. The Honeywell is a superior unit.

Which is too complicated for 90%+ of customers.
The Horstmann unit is too complex for 40%.


It isn't. Once they understand that they programme in temperatures it is
easy. If my sister can grasp a CM67 anyone can. Two little buttons to wind
the temperature up and down too. If you come in, in a period at the
temperature is set to say 18C, then you just set it to 21C and it sayes
there for that time period. It is simple and effective and saves fuel. I
rate it no more complicated than the Horstman. The Landis & Staefa
optimisation stat/programmer is easy enough too. Landis always have easy to
use products.

The expensive energy managers optimise the on and off between the set
temperature ranges, of which there may be 6 and above. The Building
Research Establishment claimed one model saved about 25% of fuel using one
of these. They are self adaptive in that they learn the buildings moods.

Not going for the optimisation function on a stat/programmer is foolish.


Andy Hall June 17th 05 04:16 PM

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:57:44 +0100, "Doctor Evil"
wrote:


The expensive energy managers optimise the on and off between the set
temperature ranges, of which there may be 6 and above. The Building
Research Establishment claimed one model saved about 25% of fuel using one
of these. They are self adaptive in that they learn the buildings moods.


This is a new one. Since when did buildings start having moods?

Do they experience PMT once a month and a menopause after 50 years as
well? Presumably at that point they should be knocked down...



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..andy

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