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Torque wrench question...
A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing
a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, Phil Kangas wrote:
A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways (B) I would never, ever, use a torque wrench to break a nut loose. (C) A flex handle is way cheaper than a torque wrench, as is a piece of pipe to make it longer than whatever torque wrench you have. Just my opinions, not a professional mechanic here. -- Tim Wescott Control systems, embedded software and circuit design I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:24:35 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, Phil Kangas wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways I can't recall seeing one which didn't. (B) I would never, ever, use a torque wrench to break a nut loose. No, never. (C) A flex handle is way cheaper than a torque wrench, as is a piece of pipe to make it longer than whatever torque wrench you have. Use a pipe only if you have a warranty on the wrench or ratchet. Just my opinions, not a professional mechanic here. I'll echo your sentiments, but I was trained as a mechanic. -- The more you know, the less you need. -- Aboriginal Saying |
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On 04/02/2017 3:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:24:35 -0500, Tim wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, Phil Kangas wrote: .... (B) I would never, ever, use a torque wrench to break a nut loose. No, never. .... Just my opinions, not a professional mechanic here. I'll echo your sentiments, but I was trained as a mechanic. .... That one hardly needs _any_ "training", one would think... -- |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:39:47 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:24:35 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote: (B) I would never, ever, use a torque wrench to break a nut loose. No, never. Once:-( Beam type and it broke the spot welds holding the scale, even lesser torque wrenches are not immune. -- William |
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On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. WHY would you use a precision tool to break loose a tight nut???? And any torque wrench I've used (been using them for 50 years) wwill torque either direction. |
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:39:47 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:24:35 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, Phil Kangas wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways I can't recall seeing one which didn't. (B) I would never, ever, use a torque wrench to break a nut loose. No, never. (C) A flex handle is way cheaper than a torque wrench, as is a piece of pipe to make it longer than whatever torque wrench you have. Use a pipe only if you have a warranty on the wrench or ratchet. I just grab the flex handle that I'm least attached to. Kinda the same thing. -- Tim Wescott Control systems, embedded software and circuit design I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested http://www.wescottdesign.com |
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On 4/2/2017 4:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
Just my opinions, not a professional mechanic here. I'll echo your sentiments, but I was trained as a mechanic. -- A man of MANY talents! |
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"Tim Wescott" wrote in message (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways -- Tim Wescott For the record, I do have an 800 inch pound torque wrench that is a clicker but doesn't ratchet or reverse. Turning it RH clicks but LH is solid. It is approved for USAF and USArmy, btw. I'm tempted to try it removing a nut to see what happens. A wrench that can remove a lug nut and then torque it would be a huge time saver when working on wheels. And no one has yet invented one that'll do that? Food for thought. And don't worry, I'm not going to try this one on a lug nut guys.... phil k. |
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 00:10:03 -0500, Tim Wescott
wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:39:47 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:24:35 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, Phil Kangas wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways I can't recall seeing one which didn't. (B) I would never, ever, use a torque wrench to break a nut loose. No, never. (C) A flex handle is way cheaper than a torque wrench, as is a piece of pipe to make it longer than whatever torque wrench you have. Use a pipe only if you have a warranty on the wrench or ratchet. I just grab the flex handle that I'm least attached to. Kinda the same thing. Ayup. Cheaper than going to a 3/4" drive breaker bar and adapter. $1 at most testosterone-charged garage sales will get you a nice breaker, but if not, they're only $10 at HF. -- The more you know, the less you need. -- Aboriginal Saying |
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:16:30 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 4/2/2017 4:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: Just my opinions, not a professional mechanic here. I'll echo your sentiments, but I was trained as a mechanic. -- A man of MANY talents! Damned tootin'. I learned to echo as a young boy. -- That's the thing about needs. Sometimes, when you get them met, you don't need them anymore. -- Michael Patrick King |
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:42:34 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
wrote: "Tim Wescott" wrote in message (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways -- Tim Wescott For the record, I do have an 800 inch pound torque wrench that is a clicker but doesn't ratchet or reverse. Turning it RH clicks but LH is solid. It is approved for USAF and USArmy, btw. I'm tempted to try it removing a nut to see what happens. A wrench that can remove a lug nut and then torque it would be a huge time saver when working on wheels. And no one has yet invented one that'll do that? Food for thought. And don't worry, I'm not going to try this one on a lug nut guys.... Interestingly enough, my Bosch 1/4 hex drive impactor (18v lithium cordless) can easily remove the lug nuts from my Tundra. The Milwaukee will, too, I'm sure. Both are 1450ish inch pound rated. -- That's the thing about needs. Sometimes, when you get them met, you don't need them anymore. -- Michael Patrick King |
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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:42:34 -0400, "Phil Kangas"
wrote: "Tim Wescott" wrote in message (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways -- Tim Wescott For the record, I do have an 800 inch pound torque wrench that is a clicker but doesn't ratchet or reverse. Turning it RH clicks but LH is solid. It is approved for USAF and USArmy, btw. I'm tempted to try it removing a nut to see what happens. A wrench that can remove a lug nut and then torque it would be a huge time saver when working on wheels. And no one has yet invented one that'll do that? Food for thought. And don't worry, I'm not going to try this one on a lug nut guys.... phil k. Any of mine WILL do that, but the calibration will suffer. If the nuts are not stuck, no problem. If they are you get a shock loading on the measuring device that isn't good for it. When torquing wheel nuts I will sometimes back one off and retorque it - all using the torque wrench. I won't use it to remove wheel nuts that have been there for a season, or ones that were put on with a "rattle wrench" |
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:18:01 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 00:10:03 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:39:47 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:24:35 -0500, Tim Wescott wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, Phil Kangas wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. (A) I always assumed that all torque wrenches worked both ways I can't recall seeing one which didn't. (B) I would never, ever, use a torque wrench to break a nut loose. No, never. (C) A flex handle is way cheaper than a torque wrench, as is a piece of pipe to make it longer than whatever torque wrench you have. Use a pipe only if you have a warranty on the wrench or ratchet. I just grab the flex handle that I'm least attached to. Kinda the same thing. Ayup. Cheaper than going to a 3/4" drive breaker bar and adapter. $1 at most testosterone-charged garage sales will get you a nice breaker, but if not, they're only $10 at HF. Be careful of the HF breaker bars. Ive busted (2) of them in the last couple years. Both I think were flawed..as they broke very early on. The replacements are still going strong. Over torque them when you get them as a test, before needing one on a cold raining Saturday evening. |
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 00:20:29 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:56:46 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 20:35:53 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, "Phil Kangas" wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. WHY would you use a precision tool to break loose a tight nut???? And any torque wrench I've used (been using them for 50 years) wwill torque either direction. Same reason some people use a Starrett micrometer as a welding clamp. I D 10 T syndrome??? ?? Id say its Stupidity Syndrome. |
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 14:14:51 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:56:46 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 20:35:53 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, "Phil Kangas" wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. WHY would you use a precision tool to break loose a tight nut???? And any torque wrench I've used (been using them for 50 years) wwill torque either direction. Same reason some people use a Starrett micrometer as a welding clamp. And use a titanium pipe wrench as a hammer. It purely -sucks- to know the type of person who does that, doesn't it? If you're like me, you _used_ to loan out tools, only to have them come back damaged in ungodly ways. The type of person who would leave tools out in the rain and bring it back rusty, and when you griped at them for it, they told you to clean the rust off yourself. The same guys would never pay for damage, either. Get just 1 or 2 of those people and, from then on, it's "What, you want to borrow a tool? Bwahahahahaha. NOT A CHANCE!" Of course, it can be fun to keep broken tools in stock to loan to jerks like that. They'll be trying for half an hour before realizing that it never worked in the first place. evil grinne Indeed. Took me years and many many dollars to get to the point of loaning busted or badly working tools to people. But I do. And I have a lot of tools. However..its a significant number less than what I purchased..because as you say..the *******s bust em. Or lose em. I loaned 200' of 3/8" chain, complete with hooks, in (4) 25' lenghts and (2) 50' lenghts once, to the son of a friend of mine. He had mired his truck out in the mudflats. When I asked him about bringing my chains back, a week later...he blanched and told me he would bring em over Saturday. He brought me about 75' of chain..in various lengths and sizes..most without the hooks. He left em on the porch without telling me he had been by. When I mentioned this to his dad..poppa shrugged and blew it off. Next time either of them came by to borrow something..I told em when I get my chains back, Id loan them the XYZ they wanted to borrow. Both got ****ed. And I told em "tough ****". Spend the money yourself, or take care of what you borrow. We dont talk much anymore. Shrug. Now Im up to my ass in 5/16" chain..which I use for anchor rodes on the sailboats. Got about 300' in various lengths. Aint loaning it out to anyone. Chainsaws, weed eaters, lawn mowers...not a ****ing chance. |
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 23:14:55 -0700, Gunner
wrote: On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 00:20:29 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:56:46 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 20:35:53 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, "Phil Kangas" wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. WHY would you use a precision tool to break loose a tight nut???? And any torque wrench I've used (been using them for 50 years) wwill torque either direction. Same reason some people use a Starrett micrometer as a welding clamp. I D 10 T syndrome??? ?? Id say its Stupidity Syndrome. I D 10 T = IDIOT |
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:07:50 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 23:14:55 -0700, Gunner wrote: On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 00:20:29 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:56:46 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 20:35:53 -0400, wrote: WHY would you use a precision tool to break loose a tight nut???? And any torque wrench I've used (been using them for 50 years) wwill torque either direction. Same reason some people use a Starrett micrometer as a welding clamp. I D 10 T syndrome??? ?? Id say its Stupidity Syndrome. I D 10 T = IDIOT How appropriate that you needed to explain that to someone who's pretending that people use micrometers as welding clamps. Not even HF mics mind you, but Starrett mics, of course! You know what's really amazing? That Google can't find a way to prevent their image stockpile from overflowing with all the pictures of micrometer welding clamps. |
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:07:50 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 23:14:55 -0700, Gunner wrote: On Tue, 04 Apr 2017 00:20:29 -0400, wrote: On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:56:46 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 20:35:53 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 12:28:14 -0400, "Phil Kangas" wrote: A friend stopped by and had a question about torquing a large nut left hand thread to 185 ft lbs. His wrench only torques right hand threads. It's a clicker type. I said I have one that'll do LH. He said no way, there are no clickers available in LH. So I dug out mine and showed him by clamping the square in the vice and sure enough it'll do LH. He'll need an extension to do the job so just use his 'upside down' on the extension. That worked. Then the real question: can a clicker that only torques RH be used to break loose a nut without damage to the wrench? Like auto lug nuts for instance. If the nut is too tight, can the one way clicker be used to break it loose then re-torque? These newer clickers ratchet both ways LH and RH but only torque RH. My wrench is a 40+ year old Craftsman clicker in good shape. I would never use mine to break a nut loose. What do you think? phil k. WHY would you use a precision tool to break loose a tight nut???? And any torque wrench I've used (been using them for 50 years) wwill torque either direction. Same reason some people use a Starrett micrometer as a welding clamp. I D 10 T syndrome??? ?? Id say its Stupidity Syndrome. I D 10 T = IDIOT AH!!! Thats pretty good!! I was doing something else and only glanced at it. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Phil Kangas wrote:
A wrench that can remove a lug nut and then torque it would be a huge time saver when working on wheels. If I had to do a lot of wheel work, I'd get a cordless impact driver, at least for removal. -- "I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy "I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert |
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 20:18:11 -0400, wrote:
On 8 Apr 2017 06:08:51 GMT, (Volker Borchert) wrote: Phil Kangas wrote: A wrench that can remove a lug nut and then torque it would be a huge time saver when working on wheels. If I had to do a lot of wheel work, I'd get a cordless impact driver, at least for removal. I tried one and took it back - useless. I still have my air impact and I bought a corded electric one for use where the air hose is not available. I have (2) electric impact guns. One is marked Black & Decker Industrial and the other one, which is absolutely identical in every way..EXCEPT the lable...came from Harbor Freight. They are the tits!! And they can be run off a small genset or a 1500 watt inverter. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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