On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

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1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is [sic]

*are*

the lies?

Who said anything about lies? I think the problem with that post is,
it's all *too* true. You're a chump - a cuckolded, no-prospects chump.
That post was from 17 years ago, and it has only gotten worse.

On 3/18/2017 5:23 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 1:31:18 AM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

It was perfectly clear to people without brain damage to whom I was
directing the inquiry.

In other words anyone who would answer.

The person who was expected to answer did answer.

You're pretty much of a chump, aren't you?

On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 11:29:55 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 3/18/2017 5:23 AM, wrote:


You're pretty much of a chump, aren't you?

Not really, I have a wonderful wife , a nice enough house, and more money than I need.

You are pretty much of a clod that knows nothing about metalworking , yet posts in a group about metalworking. Obviously a disturbed individual.

Dan

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:25:30 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:00 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:11:01 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 1:41:48 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

Howdy. Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work?

Why the hell would I do that? Just so you can post another off topic message.
I might think about helping you if you ever posted anything interesting about metal working.

Dan

Dan..he doesnt know ANYTHING about metalworking, or even woodworking.

But I do recognize a deadbeat dole-scrounging zero-prospects loser - you
- when I see one.

Of course you do. Indeed. And you also own your own hair brush.


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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:27:20 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:02 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:32:15 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:41:56 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work? I know it was well before the one from September
2015 in which he was moaning about having three or four vehicles and
*none* of them was operating. I think it may have been as early as
2014. I'm coming up empty.

There have been so many, but perhaps this is the thread you're
thinking of, from '09. Gotta love this quote: "Frankly...there isnt
much that I cant do." Bwahahaha!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Z04U%5B1-25%5D
Anyway, Trump said he's bringing all the jobs back to the rust belt.
So it should be a no-brainer for Wieber to move in now with Tom
Gardner. Just for a few days, Just until he gets on his feet, mind
you. LOL

-------------------------
California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
its Rust Belt.

And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.

So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
Id like to ask you folks for your input.

Some prelims...

Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.

Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics

LOL! There's a huge and growing market for people who can troubleshoot
"electrionics"

at assembly
level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
etc.

Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do. I detest retail work, paper
work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
the paycheck.

Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
the job and ask for another.


So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
here for 30+ yrs.

Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
focused on at the moment.

If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
in..Id be happy to look at them.

I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug

So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.

Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
eating regularly.

Anyone?

Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
get there.

Gunner

Pretty good post if I might say so myself. Of course that was 8 yrs
ago, and Im now 63.

And you haven't done one ****ing thing to improve your prospects.

Cites?

Or is it just ignorance on your part?
Of course it is.

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Btw..I just missed out a job for a company, that went to a young sharp
guy who just got out of the Navy. He isnt going to retire in 7 yrs, so
they picked him. Something I dont have a problem with. Course I have
more skills than he does and we were the top 2 out of 150
applications, but...shrug..I still have other apps being considered.
Being 63 does come with strings and I fully understand that. In the
mean time, Ive picked up 3 new customers, so its not all bad.

Chuckle..I keep getting referalls to be a Uber driver...in a small
town in the middle of sweet **** all. Perhaps when you get weekend
visitation rights, you can do the Uber thing?

Or not. Come to think of it...it would paralyze me with fear being in
the backseat of your vehicle....brrrr...


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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:29:07 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

----------------------------------------------------------
1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is [sic]

*are*

the lies?

Who said anything about lies? I think the problem with that post is,
it's all *too* true. You're a chump - a cuckolded, no-prospects chump.
That post was from 17 years ago, and it has only gotten worse.


Gotten worse? In what way?


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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:24:45 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 3:59 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 07:37:19 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:10:52 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:44:22 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 22:17:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:14:41 -0700, Sister Ray wrote:


Btw..I see you snipped out my request for citations on your claim.

I think

And again you prove you lie.

Hey Wieber, how is your mind-numbingly stupid habit of defending lies
by telling more lies, working out for you in the job hunt? WHY do you
repeat the same mistakes and expect different results?

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What email? Imagine that you are an employer, and you see that every
last one of your prospect hire's voluntarily self-destructive posts
also include a moronic postscript that he is either too useless or too
pigheaded to remove. Does that make the prospect more or less worth
hiring? Are you thinking there must be an employer in the market for
dimwits, and that he'd prefer the most pigheaded dimwit? Fact: you
work day in and day out to kill all hope of improving your lot in
life. And if any employer gave you the opportunity to explain
yourself, you'd have no choice but to tell him another giant,
transparent whopper.

(Grin)

Nobody believes you're happy about your wretched life.

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What email? One has to marvel at your unwillingness to lift a finger
to appear less stupid.

So who are you this week?

The same person who has humiliated you all the other weeks.


Oh, you mean the poor mental case who has to hide your identity out of
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:05:27 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

I dont brag about how much pain I can cause

No, you do a LOT of bragging about that, and it's pretty goddamned
funny.

For example - "Ive not gutted anyone in a number of years, and Id love
to see if I can still make a man scream as I cut out his guts"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....0c10adbedb9f8a

...I simply do it.

No, you *do* nothing except write more hilariously impotent threats.

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What email? Won't any of Wieber's online "friends" help him with his
confusion? Nope. They all learned many years ago that he is doomed to
perpetual failure.

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:02:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:32:15 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:41:56 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work? I know it was well before the one from September
2015 in which he was moaning about having three or four vehicles and
*none* of them was operating. I think it may have been as early as
2014. I'm coming up empty.

There have been so many, but perhaps this is the thread you're
thinking of, from '09. Gotta love this quote: "Frankly...there isnt
much that I cant do." Bwahahaha!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Z04U%5B1-25%5D
Anyway, Trump said he's bringing all the jobs back to the rust belt.
So it should be a no-brainer for Wieber to move in now with Tom
Gardner. Just for a few days, Just until he gets on his feet, mind
you. LOL

-------------------------
California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
its Rust Belt.

And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.

So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
Id like to ask you folks for your input.

Some prelims...

Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.

Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics at assembly
level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
etc.

Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do. I detest retail work, paper
work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
the paycheck.

Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
the job and ask for another.


So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
here for 30+ yrs.

Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
focused on at the moment.

If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
in..Id be happy to look at them.

I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug

So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.

Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
eating regularly.

Anyone?

Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
get there.

Gunner

Pretty good post

How is describing the need to move, "good?"

if I might say so myself.

You are the ONLY person who will say it was "good." Everyone else
thinks it's pathetic at best.

Of course that was 8 yrs
ago,

.... when you were still pretending to own the land your mobile sits
on, and when there were still a few people willing to help you with
ideas.

and Im now 63. Shrug.

Yup, time flies. You didn't do a damned thing about your predicament,
and now you're worse off. But still wasting time pretending, and
fooling no one.

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What email? You should substitute "banana" for the word email. That
would make every bit as much sense.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:01:35 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:29:07 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

the lies?

Who said anything about lies? I think the problem with that post is,
it's all *too* true. You're a chump - a cuckolded, no-prospects chump.
That post was from 17 years ago, and it has only gotten worse.


Gotten worse? In what way?

Um, how about the 17 more years of debt and liens. Heart attacks and
strokes. Roof leaking, floor rotted, probably dry rot in the walls.
Dead vehicles. Dead "business." No SS payments, so no retirement. Oh,
you mean other than those things? Only a whole lot more!

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What email? See, there's another thing that's worse. You used to know
the difference between email and usenet posts.

On 3/19/2017 5:36 AM, wrote:
On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 11:29:55 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 3/18/2017 5:23 AM, wrote:


You're pretty much of a chump, aren't you?

Not really,

Yeah, really. You get your knickers in a knot over people posting
political stuff here, but you do it yourself, and the only reason you
express your chumpy unhappiness with it is because it is your "side"
that is getting savaged.

On 3/19/2017 5:54 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:25:30 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:00 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:11:01 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 1:41:48 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

Howdy. Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work?

Why the hell would I do that? Just so you can post another off topic message.
I might think about helping you if you ever posted anything interesting about metal working.

Dan

Dan..he doesnt know ANYTHING about metalworking, or even woodworking.

But I do recognize a deadbeat dole-scrounging zero-prospects loser - you
- when I see one.

Of course you do. Indeed.

Yep. No one could miss you.

On 3/19/2017 6:00 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:27:20 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:02 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:32:15 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:41:56 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work? I know it was well before the one from September
2015 in which he was moaning about having three or four vehicles and
*none* of them was operating. I think it may have been as early as
2014. I'm coming up empty.

There have been so many, but perhaps this is the thread you're
thinking of, from '09. Gotta love this quote: "Frankly...there isnt
much that I cant do." Bwahahaha!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Z04U%5B1-25%5D
Anyway, Trump said he's bringing all the jobs back to the rust belt.
So it should be a no-brainer for Wieber to move in now with Tom
Gardner. Just for a few days, Just until he gets on his feet, mind
you. LOL

-------------------------
California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
its Rust Belt.

And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.

So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
Id like to ask you folks for your input.

Some prelims...

Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.

Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics

LOL! There's a huge and growing market for people who can troubleshoot
"electrionics"

at assembly
level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
etc.

Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do. I detest retail work, paper
work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
the paycheck.

Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
the job and ask for another.


So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
here for 30+ yrs.

Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
focused on at the moment.

If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
in..Id be happy to look at them.

I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug

So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.

Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
eating regularly.

Anyone?

Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
get there.

Gunner

Pretty good post if I might say so myself. Of course that was 8 yrs
ago, and Im now 63.

And you haven't done one ****ing thing to improve your prospects.

Cites?

chuckle


Or is it just ignorance on your part?
Of course it is.

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Btw..I just missed out a job for a company, that went to a young sharp
guy

QED

On 3/19/2017 6:01 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:29:07 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

----------------------------------------------------------
1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is [sic]

*are*

the lies?

Who said anything about lies? I think the problem with that post is,
it's all *too* true. You're a chump - a cuckolded, no-prospects chump.
That post was from 17 years ago, and it has only gotten worse.


Gotten worse? In what way?

You're more broke and living closer to the edge than ever. You have
*more* worthless **** at your decrepit roach motel of a squat than you
had back then, worthless **** that you consider treasure, so you're even
more unable to pack up and go where the work is than you were in 2000.

You have no idea how comically pathetic you are.

On 3/19/2017 6:02 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:24:45 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 3:59 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 07:37:19 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:10:52 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:44:22 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 22:17:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 15:14:41 -0700, Sister Ray wrote:


Btw..I see you snipped out my request for citations on your claim.

I think

And again you prove you lie.

Hey Wieber, how is your mind-numbingly stupid habit of defending lies
by telling more lies, working out for you in the job hunt? WHY do you
repeat the same mistakes and expect different results?

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

What email? Imagine that you are an employer, and you see that every
last one of your prospect hire's voluntarily self-destructive posts
also include a moronic postscript that he is either too useless or too
pigheaded to remove. Does that make the prospect more or less worth
hiring? Are you thinking there must be an employer in the market for
dimwits, and that he'd prefer the most pigheaded dimwit? Fact: you
work day in and day out to kill all hope of improving your lot in
life. And if any employer gave you the opportunity to explain
yourself, you'd have no choice but to tell him another giant,
transparent whopper.

(Grin)

Nobody believes you're happy about your wretched life.

This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

What email? One has to marvel at your unwillingness to lift a finger
to appear less stupid.

So who are you this week?

The same person who has humiliated you all the other weeks.


Oh, you mean the poor mental case who has to hide your identity out of
pure fear?

No, no one is afraid of you. You've demonstrated for years that you
have no ability to act on your threats. You're *far* too timid ever to
try to carry them out, and it is brutally obvious you don't have
contacts with anyone who would do your bidding. You always waffle back
and forth between saying they weren't threats, then suggesting that
people are in fear, which they only would be if they *were* threats.
They were threats, all right, but everyone could always see they were
empty woofing.

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

----------------------------------------------------------
1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is the lies?

And here you go claiming that I lie..and then you post facts as some
sort of backup to your claim.

You really arent here to show the world how bad a person I am, you are
just here to try to cause as much pain as you can.

Heads up..its not working.

On the other hand..I dont brag about how much pain I can cause...I
simply do it.

No, you don't. The threats have been flowing for years, and haven't
done a thing to anyone. No, we don't need any "cites" for that, you
impotent nutless clown - you need them to show that you did anything.
There's nothing - you are completely incapable of causing anyone any pain.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:49:53 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/19/2017 5:54 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:25:30 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:00 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:11:01 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 1:41:48 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

Howdy. Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work?

Why the hell would I do that? Just so you can post another off topic message.
I might think about helping you if you ever posted anything interesting about metal working.

Dan

Dan..he doesnt know ANYTHING about metalworking, or even woodworking.

But I do recognize a deadbeat dole-scrounging zero-prospects loser - you
- when I see one.

Of course you do. Indeed.

Yep. No one could miss you.

Oh for sure eh!

(VBG)

So whats on your dinner menu this evening? Cornbread and beans with a
box of milk?

(VBG)

Or did you save your money for that pint of Wild Turkey or that hit of
tweek?


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:50:27 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/19/2017 6:00 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:27:20 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:02 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:32:15 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:41:56 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work? I know it was well before the one from September
2015 in which he was moaning about having three or four vehicles and
*none* of them was operating. I think it may have been as early as
2014. I'm coming up empty.

There have been so many, but perhaps this is the thread you're
thinking of, from '09. Gotta love this quote: "Frankly...there isnt
much that I cant do." Bwahahaha!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Z04U%5B1-25%5D
Anyway, Trump said he's bringing all the jobs back to the rust belt.
So it should be a no-brainer for Wieber to move in now with Tom
Gardner. Just for a few days, Just until he gets on his feet, mind
you. LOL

-------------------------
California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
its Rust Belt.

And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.

So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
Id like to ask you folks for your input.

Some prelims...

Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.

Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics

LOL! There's a huge and growing market for people who can troubleshoot
"electrionics"

at assembly
level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
etc.

Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do. I detest retail work, paper
work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
the paycheck.

Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
the job and ask for another.


So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
here for 30+ yrs.

Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
focused on at the moment.

If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
in..Id be happy to look at them.

I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug

So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.

Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
eating regularly.

Anyone?

Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
get there.

Gunner

Pretty good post if I might say so myself. Of course that was 8 yrs
ago, and Im now 63.

And you haven't done one ****ing thing to improve your prospects.

Cites?

chuckle

So you cant produce any. Thats fascinating. Not unexpected, but
still....



Or is it just ignorance on your part?
Of course it is.

Laugh laugh laugh!!

Btw..I just missed out a job for a company, that went to a young sharp
guy

QED

QED? What...that I lost a job to a sharp young kid right out of the
Navy? I wouldnt expect anything else. Vets should get first pick.

But then...you never did serve.

Cowards never do, and the mentally ill are disqualified.

Sucks to be you doesnt it.

Snerk!!

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On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:47:46 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:


Yeah, really. You get your knickers in a knot over people posting
political stuff here, but you do it yourself, and the only reason you
express your chumpy unhappiness with it is because it is your "side"
that is getting savaged.

Oh yee of little intellect. My side is not being savaged. And I agree I have posted some things that are not metalworking, but no way close to the number you have posted. And my ratio of off topic posts to on topic posts is much smaller than your ratio. Your off topic posts are pretty much 100 % of what you post.

You are just a pathetic person who has to post irrelevant things in RCM to satisfy your longing to be someone. And has to post about those less fortunate because you are too small to be magnanimous.

Dan

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:41:10 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:02:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:32:15 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:41:56 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work? I know it was well before the one from September
2015 in which he was moaning about having three or four vehicles and
*none* of them was operating. I think it may have been as early as
2014. I'm coming up empty.

There have been so many, but perhaps this is the thread you're
thinking of, from '09. Gotta love this quote: "Frankly...there isnt
much that I cant do." Bwahahaha!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Z04U%5B1-25%5D
Anyway, Trump said he's bringing all the jobs back to the rust belt.
So it should be a no-brainer for Wieber to move in now with Tom
Gardner. Just for a few days, Just until he gets on his feet, mind
you. LOL

-------------------------
California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
its Rust Belt.

And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.

So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
Id like to ask you folks for your input.

Some prelims...

Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.

Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics at assembly
level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
etc.

Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do. I detest retail work, paper
work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
the paycheck.

Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
the job and ask for another.


So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
here for 30+ yrs.

Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
focused on at the moment.

If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
in..Id be happy to look at them.

I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug

So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.

Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
eating regularly.

Anyone?

Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
get there.

Gunner

Pretty good post

How is describing the need to move, "good?"

Clear, descriptive and accurate. That's good.
You of course wont even admit who you are...because you are incapable
or unwilling to let people know what an utter loser and ****tard you
have been all your life.

if I might say so myself.

You are the ONLY person who will say it was "good." Everyone else
thinks it's pathetic at best.

That's their choice. Afterall..it was 17 yrs ago.

Of course that was 8 yrs
ago,

... when you were still pretending to own the land your mobile sits
on, and when there were still a few people willing to help you with
ideas.

I own the lot behind me, the one to the north of me and the one across
the street. Id own the one Im on, if it hadn't been bought up as part
of a parcel when Jamison Trust ended. I didn't even know it was
available before it was purchased. Id be in a hell of a lot better
shape if I had known. It only sold for $15k. Damnit.

and Im now 63. Shrug.

Yup, time flies. You didn't do a damned thing about your predicament,
and now you're worse off. But still wasting time pretending, and
fooling no one.

Pretending what? Which predicament? There were several.

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What email? You should substitute "banana" for the word email. That
would make every bit as much sense.

You should keep the same nym. You sound and look like your brains are
rutabaga.

Laugh laugh laugh.

Btw, I machined new delrin pulleys last night, for the main sheet
blocks for the Aquarius 7.0. It was decided by She Who Must Be Obeyed
that I could go sailing tommorow as she had stuff for me to do.
Already accomplished her list of tasks and now Im taking a break from
fabricating a mast support that is carried by my rudder gudgeons and
keeps the mast high enough when its down to lift the pop top up high
enough to gain entry into the cabin.

So Ive got 3 guys going out with me in the morning and we will see how
water tight the old girl is. And have some sailing lessons for the
guys.

You will of course be going through dumpsters looking for recyclables
you can sell for smoke/tweek money.

Shrug. If you are satisfied with that sort of life...thats your
choice.


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:50:25 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:


Gotten worse? In what way?

Um, how about the 17 more years of debt and liens. Heart attacks and
strokes. Roof leaking, floor rotted, probably dry rot in the walls.
Dead vehicles. Dead "business." No SS payments, so no retirement. Oh,
you mean other than those things? Only a whole lot more!

Odd..I didnt know I was going to have the heart attack and stroke. In
fact..2 months before, the Bakersfield Heart Hospital told me I had
bronchitus. Surprised the **** out of both of us.

No dry rot, but yeah..I do need half a roof. I have one vehicle that
wont go into Drive/Overdrive, but I still drive it around town. Soon
as I come up with $1300, it will be completly rebuilt. Hopefully soon,
but if not..shrug..Ive only got $100 into it. Damned nice Chevy
Venture too. Full power, dual AC and dual heat, marvelous upholstery
and only 98k on the engine.
The other 4 are in good shape now. Then there are the boats.

No SS payments? Ive paid SS for nearly all of my working life. Ive
only been self employed for 15 yrs, so I do qualify for SS. When I
turn 70, it doubles the amount I could claim now, if I retired. The
wife just signed up for hers and will be getting her monthy checks
starting in April.

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What email? See, there's another thing that's worse. You used to know
the difference between email and usenet posts.

It makes me laugh whenever you go off on one of your hysterical rants
about something the software does. And Im keeping it just this way
for you. (VBG)

Maybe you will have a stroke.

(VBG)


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:52:23 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/19/2017 6:01 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:29:07 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

----------------------------------------------------------
1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is [sic]

*are*

the lies?

Who said anything about lies? I think the problem with that post is,
it's all *too* true. You're a chump - a cuckolded, no-prospects chump.
That post was from 17 years ago, and it has only gotten worse.


Gotten worse? In what way?

You're more broke and living closer to the edge than ever. You have
*more* worthless **** at your decrepit roach motel of a squat than you
had back then, worthless **** that you consider treasure, so you're even
more unable to pack up and go where the work is than you were in 2000.

You have no idea how comically pathetic you are.

Im very happy I can get you to rant on and on, change nyms from post
to post and it makes me laugh like a bandit when you do.

(VBG)

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:14:52 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

----------------------------------------------------------
1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is the lies?

And here you go claiming that I lie..and then you post facts as some
sort of backup to your claim.

You really arent here to show the world how bad a person I am, you are
just here to try to cause as much pain as you can.

Heads up..its not working.

On the other hand..I dont brag about how much pain I can cause...I
simply do it.

No, you don't. The threats have been flowing for years, and haven't
done a thing to anyone. No, we don't need any "cites" for that, you
impotent nutless clown - you need them to show that you did anything.
There's nothing - you are completely incapable of causing anyone any pain.

Dont see any missing faces here?

Shrug

You should. But then..you really are stupid.


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:55:35 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:



Oh, you mean the poor mental case who has to hide your identity out of
pure fear?

No, no one is afraid of you. You've demonstrated for years that you
have no ability to act on your threats. You're *far* too timid ever to
try to carry them out, and it is brutally obvious you don't have
contacts with anyone who would do your bidding. You always waffle back
and forth between saying they weren't threats, then suggesting that
people are in fear, which they only would be if they *were* threats.
They were threats, all right, but everyone could always see they were
empty woofing.

Of course they are. Making threats these days could be actionable in
some locals.

So, changing nyms from post to post is a hobby of yours?

You going back to Rangers Suck anytime soon?

Or will you remain Widdle Wuddy Canoli?


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:13:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:47:46 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:


Yeah, really. You get your knickers in a knot over people posting
political stuff here, but you do it yourself, and the only reason you
express your chumpy unhappiness with it is because it is your "side"
that is getting savaged.

Oh yee of little intellect. My side is not being savaged. And I agree I have posted some things that are not metalworking, but no way close to the number you have posted. And my ratio of off topic posts to on topic posts is much smaller than your ratio. Your off topic posts are pretty much 100 % of what you post.

You are just a pathetic person who has to post irrelevant things in RCM to satisfy your longing to be someone. And has to post about those less fortunate because you are too small to be magnanimous.

Dan

Widdle Wuddy Canoli has a streak of hate and vileness a kilometer wide
running through him.


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On 3/19/2017 2:06 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:49:53 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/19/2017 5:54 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:25:30 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:00 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:11:01 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 1:41:48 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

Howdy. Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work?

Why the hell would I do that? Just so you can post another off topic message.
I might think about helping you if you ever posted anything interesting about metal working.

Dan

Dan..he doesnt know ANYTHING about metalworking, or even woodworking.

But I do recognize a deadbeat dole-scrounging zero-prospects loser - you
- when I see one.

Of course you do. Indeed.

Yep. No one could miss you.

Oh for sure eh!

(VBG)

So whats on your dinner menu this evening? Cornbread and beans with a
box of milk?

Braised lamb shanks.


(VBG)

Or did you save your money for that pint of Wild Turkey or that hit of
tweek?

I leave that stuff to your kid.

That's your fault he's like that, you know.

On 3/19/2017 2:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:41:10 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:02:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:32:15 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:41:56 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

Can you help locate the gummer lament from a few years back
about how he was broke and had no work and couldn't afford to move to a
state that has work? I know it was well before the one from September
2015 in which he was moaning about having three or four vehicles and
*none* of them was operating. I think it may have been as early as
2014. I'm coming up empty.

There have been so many, but perhaps this is the thread you're
thinking of, from '09. Gotta love this quote: "Frankly...there isnt
much that I cant do." Bwahahaha!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...Z04U%5B1-25%5D
Anyway, Trump said he's bringing all the jobs back to the rust belt.
So it should be a no-brainer for Wieber to move in now with Tom
Gardner. Just for a few days, Just until he gets on his feet, mind
you. LOL

-------------------------
California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
its Rust Belt.

And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.

So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
Id like to ask you folks for your input.

Some prelims...

Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.

Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics at assembly
level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
etc.

Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do. I detest retail work, paper
work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
the paycheck.

Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
the job and ask for another.


So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
here for 30+ yrs.

Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
focused on at the moment.

If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
in..Id be happy to look at them.

I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug

So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.

Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
eating regularly.

Anyone?

Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
get there.

Gunner

Pretty good post

How is describing the need to move, "good?"

Clear, descriptive and accurate. That's good.
You of course wont even admit who you are...because you are incapable
or unwilling to let people know what an utter loser and ****tard you
have been all your life.

if I might say so myself.

You are the ONLY person who will say it was "good." Everyone else
thinks it's pathetic at best.

That's their choice. Afterall..it was 17 yrs ago.

It's even *worse* today. Your prospects are worse, and you are even
*more* stuck in squalor.

Of course that was 8 yrs
ago,

... when you were still pretending to own the land your mobile sits
on, and when there were still a few people willing to help you with
ideas.

I own the lot behind me, the one to the north of me and the one across
the street.

You don't own any of those.

Proof:

1. go to the Kern County Assessor/Record property search page:
http://assessor.co.kern.ca.us/propertysearch/index.php

2. in Property Search From set the search type to Address,
and key in '326 Olive Ave' in the address box; click Search button

3. in the results page, gummer's dump is the first one listed, with
an ATN/APN number of 039-303-04-00-2. That's a link; click on it

4. In the property profile window, click on the View Parcel Map link;
it will prompt you to save or open the .TIF file; open it. gummer's
dump is in the block with '303' in an oval right below the block.
His dump is the second from the bottom in that block, on the left,
with two numbers in circles over it: 04 and 20. Look closely to
the upper right of the 20 in the circle; you'll see the letters
'MH'. That means "manufactured home." gummer's dump is the only
one in that block that has it (there's one other one over to the
west in block 301.)

Here's the property search result for parcel 20 (in the circle):
http://tinyurl.com/zbm3nxg If you look at that, you'll see the
same site address, 326 Olive Av Taft, and then in the Use Code box,
you'll see '9501 - UNSECURED MH IN ANY OTHER ZONE'. In the
assessor/recorder use codes page,
http://recorder.co.kern.ca.us/assess...?page=usecodes
look for 9501 and you'll find:
'9501 - Unsecured manufactured home in any other zone' Indeed,
gummer lives in a shabby double-wide!

5. Back in the main property information page for 039-303-04-00-2, note
the recorded documents. These are listed in descending date
recorded. They are all deeds. The most recent one is 211112561.
Select and copy that into your clipboard.

6. Now go to the Assessor/Recorder Online page for the recorder's
office at http://recorderonline.co.kern.ca.us/ On the menu at left,
click on the Official Documents link, then in the next window under
Select Search Type click on Document Number.

7. Paste the document number you copied above into the From box and
click the Search button. You'll get a summary page of information
about the deed. At the left the document number is listed as a
link; click on it.

8. More information is displayed. You'll see that the grantors are
several trusts along with an investment company, and the grantee
is another real estate investment company.

*gummer does not own the property*

9. Repeat as you wish for each of the other listed documents that you
saw back on the property information page. gummer's name is not
on any of the deeds.

10. Go back to the property search form (step 2, above), and set the
Search Type to APN. In the search value box, key in the parcel
numbers for the properties to the south and north of gummer's dump.
The ending numbers are indicated by the values in circles on the
parcels. The parcel to the south of gummer is 03, and the one to
the north is 05. The parcels have to be entered without hyphens,
so the one to the south is 03930303, and the one to the north is
03930305.

11. Searching for 03930303, we see that the street address is actually
on Wood St, the street that intersects Olive Av south of gummer's
dump. Taking the most recent document number, 201158812 - a deed -
and searching the documents database as in step 7, we find that
the grantor was South Taft Property, Inc, and the grantee is
Carlos Mena. *gummer does not own this property*

12. Searching for 03930305, we see that the street address is 322
Olive Ave, next door to gummer (326). The most recently recorded
document is 208048103 - a deed. Looking at this deed as in
step 7, we find that the grantor was Rosemarie Torres, and the
grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*

13. Just to be sure, we'll look at the parcels behind these three as
indicated on the parcel map: 03930317, 03930318 and 03930319.

03930317 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930318 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930319 - gummer is not on any of the deeds assocaited with parcel

*gummer doesn't own any property in the block*

Here's another interesting thing to note, regarding the acreage of the
parcels:

03930303: .14
03930304: .16 (gummer's dump)
03930305: .13
03930317: .14
03930318: .16
03930319: .22

All six parcels together add up to .95 of an acre. So much for gummer's
"ranch".

As for the lie about owning across the street:

1. Across the street is parcel 039-302-19.

2. Following the methodology above, we find the most recent deed
document is 205158879

3. Document search shows the grantee to be Isidro Garcia Camargo

*gummer does not own this parcel*

4. Just to be safe, we repeat for parcels to the south and to the
north of "across the street" from gummer. South is 039-302-20,
and north is 039-302-18. The most recent deed for 039-302-18 is
206313436, while that for 039-302-20 is 205348126.

5. These reveal the grantees for these parcels to be "Shea Estates
Development Inc." and John Ashcraft, respectively.

*gummer does not own these parcels*


You do not own any real property.


When your pimp of a father corks off back in Michigan, perhaps he'll
leave his shack to you.

On 3/19/2017 2:34 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:52:23 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/19/2017 6:01 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 20:29:07 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

----------------------------------------------------------
1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is [sic]

*are*

the lies?

Who said anything about lies? I think the problem with that post is,
it's all *too* true. You're a chump - a cuckolded, no-prospects chump.
That post was from 17 years ago, and it has only gotten worse.


Gotten worse? In what way?

You're more broke and living closer to the edge than ever. You have
*more* worthless **** at your decrepit roach motel of a squat than you
had back then, worthless **** that you consider treasure, so you're even
more unable to pack up and go where the work is than you were in 2000.

You have no idea how comically pathetic you are.

Im very happy I can get you to rant on and on, change nyms from post
to post and it makes me laugh like a bandit when you do.

No, it doesn't. It ****es you off to no end that you don't have the
fortitude to carry out your threats, that you have to sit there like the
impotent semi-crippled cardiac patient you are and just take the abuse.

You're a zero. You admit it.

On 3/19/2017 2:45 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:14:52 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza
wrote:

I'm also looking for the one in which Wieber talked about his
wife repeatedly leaving and shacking up with the same guy, only to
return later

Make sure you have a settled stomach before you read it.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....ecb1feee7c3603

----------------------------------------------------------
1976 Wife gets bored. Takes credit card, and spends 3 days partying,
and meets
new fellow. (Carl Wyatt). Affair lasts 5 months.. at which point she
finds she
is pregnant. Husband (me) boots her ass out when finding out she is
pregnant
with another mans child, and maxing the credit card out on motel
rooms, booze
and room service (He was married, so she paid for the room..or rather,
I did)

In her 9th month of pregnancy.. she shows up, belly out to there, and
asks to
come home until the baby is born. Two weeks later, I hold her hand in
the
delivery room, then sign the birth certificate with my name as the
father.

snip 6 years of financial fiascos and 2 surgerys for the boy...no
insurance)

She gets bored again.. has an affair with Carl for 4 months before I
find
out. The she has an affair with Al Quatroche for 3 months where she
explores
her sexuality, in group sex, bi sex etc. I sit home, baby sitting.
She then apparently tired of all the fun and games (the boy friends
got tired
of her and sent her home) and came home declaring undying love. I of
course,
take her in.

snip 7 years of financial fiascos climaxed by 4 surgeries for boy,
loss of
kidney to birth defect uncaught by doctors. No insurance)

Year unknown. Wife gets bored once again... Locates and proceeds to
have a 5
month affair with ..yes..you got it.. Carl Wyatt again. Now on his
third
marraige. This time she chases him so hard his wife finds out. He
warns her
off, changes phone numbers etc. She comes home claiming to have seen
the
errors of her ways, and professing undying love for me.

Snip more years of financial fiascos, including the loss of a job
because she
****ed off a boss of mine. Good job too.

Snip a few more years until 1997, when I start a job, as a traveling
service
tech. I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday
evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that time, she would
take care
of my books (indipendent contractor) and save enough money so we could
move to
the L.A. area, so I could sleep at home every night.
First 4 months.. she did fine.. then got lazy.. and screwed up the
books..

Snip 2 yrs of lies about bills, dirty house, fights with the now 22 yr
old boy
who was as lazy as his mother, and as unable to handle any
responsibilities as
she was.

Snip. to March, 2000 the signs were there again.. like a horse putting
his
ears back, I knew something was gonna happen. Asked her girl friend if
wife
was having an affair.. GF said no. House was dirty, uncared for, bills
Appeared to be being taken care of. Wife looked me straight in the
eyes and
said everything was fine. Made comments that she was disapointed that
we had
not yet moved to L.A., as I had not kept my promise to move after the
first
year. I pointed out to her.. that she still haddnt kept my books in
order, had
not done her part of the bargain, had not even entered my reciepts
into the
computer program I had purchased.. for 2 yrs.. and we still couldnt
afford to
move, because of her malfeasnce. But if she would work on it. we could
maybe
move in a few months or a year.

Snip to May 26, Friday, 10am. I get a phone call from wife. She
indicates
there was a letter waiting for me at home and she wouldnt be there
when I got
back.. After discussion, she agrees to tell me Monday if she would be
coming
back. Found that Girl Friend had offered her a place to stay, and
guess what..
she had found Carl Wyatt again.. now single (still married, but
seperated),
with house of his own.. She moves to Bakersfield, 45 miles away.

A mutual friend had talked to her, and the wife had NOT indicated that
there
was another man... but indicated she was disatified with the marraige.
The
suggestion was made by the friend that wife and husband should seek
counsling.
And if she didnt want to do that.. she should go away, by herself for
3 days
and decide what she wanted to do. Wife agreed, then spent the 3 days
in
boyfriends bed. Just to make an unbiased decision ya know.

Monday, May 29, Memorial Day. wife calls me and tells me she loves me,
but
doesnt want to spend the rest of her life with someone she is not in
love
with. Tells me where to find the bills, and tells me she only wants
her
clothes and china. I fax her an agreement and release of liabilty from
this
date and a quit claim on the property. She signs and itts witnessed.

I find part of the bills, and am horrified. Agast.. Big trouble. Son
moves out
with his fat, ugly internet girl friend, to a town 80 miles away. No
money, no
job.. but one step ahead of the bills. ($745 bill for long distance
calls to
North Dakota to other girl friend.. approved by wife, knowing full
well they
would be gone when that bill surfaced) Find my books in disarray, and
the
computer program with hardcopy of my receipts etc had not had an entry
for a
full 30 months.

Tuesday May 30, I have to return to work. She cleans out the rest of
her
clothes and raids the bank account. Spending her days at friends
house, nights
in Carls bed.

Friday, June 2, I manage during the week, to call all possible
creditors.
Whoops! Forclosure on house planned, repo on truck planned, all
insurance had
been canceled for months for non payment. Mortgage was 4 months
behind, power
had been shut off previous month and restored, but deposit (big! was
required)
Answering machine had messages from creditors that I never knew
existed.
Credit cards she had, that I never knew about, maxed out, and unpaid
for 4
months. Credit card of mine, maxed out and not paid on in 6 months..
lots
more.

Sunday, June 4th. I get a phone call from hospital in Fresno, and one
from
wifes best friend that wife had had a heart attack and emergency
surgery. I
rush the 145 miles to Fresno, to be greeted by wife, in bed, wired to
machines, with "this doesnt change anything, and its not Carls fault"

later that afternoon, comes a moment of dazzling clarity:
wife lying in bed, uncounsious, looking very fragile, alone, wired to
lots of
machines.. and I start to cry, very quietly when I hear:
"knock that **** off, or leave. I dont need it" from my wife as she
looks me
straight in the eyes. BING!

During this day....

As I notify all of the next of kin, Im sure to tell each and everyone,
the
entire story, starting from 1976. Each is stunned and horrified. Im
gratified
that I was given great credit for persiverence, love and great
stupidity. by
each family member,,.. including her mother, who somehow was NOT
surprised.

Wed May 7th wife is released from hospital, miraculously well, but
with
unknown heart damage (thanks for the prayers ALL!) Returns to her
girlfriends
home (well her girlfriends brothers home where they both were staying)

May 8th-15 Wife starts smoking again, drinking every afternoon with
her
boyfriend Carl, who is now a heavy drinker, spousal abuser (his own
words in a
4 hour telephone conversation the day after she is hosptialized), and
starts
to play pool on a bars pool league. Pretty fast recovery..
Spends some days at boyfriends house, all nights there.

May15. Brother of girlfriend asks her to leave house. She moves in
with
boyfriend. Except for everyother weekend, when Carl has coustidy of
his 9yr
old daughter.. wife has to find other place to stay over alternate
weekends
then can move back in during the next two weeks. Deep and fulfilling
relationship. In a prior conversation with boyfriend I asked why he
had not
visited her in the hospital. He stated it was the husbands job. I then
asked
if that was so.. how come he was ****ing her.. He coughed spit and
hung up the
phone. He had admitted knowing full well she was married in all the
previous
occasions over the years, and knowing I knew nothing about them for a
long
time. I then suggested he had no honor, and he agreed.

May 16-2000 between the hours of 2am and 6am, persons unknown break
into my
truck and remove over $12,000 worth of my personal tools, CNC lathe
parts,
tool boxes etc. All out of my pocket btw.
I notify the police for a report, then my boss, whereapon I breakdown
and
start to loose it over the phone.

Cried for 45 minutes until the cops showed up. Most of day was a
blurr. and I
could feel a breakdown immenent. At this point, from the first day she
left,
to the present, I have run the full gamat of denial, guilt, rage,
depression,
pain, and had cried myself to sleep every night, as well as lost 15
pounds
because I was forgetting to eat. I missed an exit ramp by 45 miles
once.

Saturday, May 17th. I had been set up with a blind date by a mutual
friend. My
first date after becoming unexpectedly single. Lady was a school
teacher, and
around my age. We agree to meet at a roadhouse, where there was a live
band,
and pool tables ( I dont drink but do play pool)

Lady was 4 hours late and arrived half drunk.
2 hours later, her ex-boyfriend and wife show up. A fight breaks out.
2 more hours later, she flinches and says she has to leave.. her ex
husband
has just walked in. I follow them out the door, as they both get into
a car,
and leave. Leaving me with my mouth hanging open btw... duh?

So much for my first date. and it may be a while before the next one.

Btw. during this time span, I spend each weekend, cleaning the home. I
remove
13 bags of garbage, thow out the entire living room furniture, as too
vile to
keep, start washing windows that had not been washed in over a year,
start
fixing broken cabinets, and crying. Each forgotten item of her
clothing, or
each item I had purchased for her over the years, the knicknacks, the
doodads,
all bring back memories. Like taking care of personal effects after a
death in
the family.
The day she left, she had fed the dogs (6 adults, and 4 pups) (I
still wonder
where the money went I gave her to have the original momma spayed
went)(and
she and the boy had agreed to find them homes... repeatedly, then
another
litter would come )
then let them into the house, and left. I was 11 hours getting
home....
not a pretty sight, or smell... so some carpets got pulled up and
removed..
another thing to take care of when the money is not so tight.

A good question you may be asking.. why didnt I check on her handling
of the
funds over the years. Because when I did, I found problems, got them
squared
away, and she would tearfully promise to never screw up again. Over
the last
couple years, it was easier to ignore the problems, the dirt, the
mess, then
come home after a week on the road, and fight. Some of you married
guys know
exactly what Im talking about.

Why did I put up with this **** for so long? Because, stupid as it
sounds, and
for all my lack of tolorence for other bad things, I loved my wife
with my
heart and soul.. Wierd huh. Some of you married guys know what Im
talking
about. Love makes one stupid, and blind.

I have not had a vacation in 11 yrs, I have missed about 3 days of
work in all
those years. I have not seen a paycheck in the last 6. She handled the
money..
ah huh... I never ever stopped loving her, I never ever stopped trying
to make
a home and a living for her and the boy. For the last 2.5 yrs, I spend
my
nights during the week in 20' travel trailer (where Im posting this
from),
eating the cheapest food possible (love those 99c stores) so as to
make sure
my family was fed, the stock was fed, and a good home was made for
them.

I would come home on the weekends, and work all weekend, maintaining,
gardening, taking care of the stuff they never did. then I would go
back to
L.A (3 hour drive each way) and do it again.

Why did she leave this time? Because I was "ignoring her, for years"
and didnt
pay her enough attention.
Possibly true.. I was simply too damned tired to go dancing every Sat
night,
and too ****ed to be warm and cuddly every waking moment I wasnt
fighting with
her or the boy, who btw... is exactly like her.
I have a machine shop at home.. my getaway.. "and I spent too much
time
playing with the machines"
I "spent too much time on the computer".. which if you check the post
times
was generally long after she went to bed.

She says, she ruined the finances.. "subconsiously because she was mad
at me"

Ah huh....

Well, she left because:
1. Her boyfriend became available
2. She was bored
3. She had gotten tired of not being able to afford a new car every
year
4. She is 45 and hitting the point where her looks were going.
5. She has a weakness in her soul, in her personality, where she
cannot admit
to any mistakes, or wants to handle any responsibiltys, and they were
crowding
her again.

She walked right out of our marraige, into a new life, new lover, new
friends,
no responsibilites, no one to critize her actions (or lack of)..no
baggage, to
a sugar daddy who makes LOTS more money than me.
The heart attack gave her something to whine about and get pity..
(people are
already tired of that... )

So to make a long story short Bob.. do you think I have any options
here?
Think I should make the attempt to woo her back from her boyfriend?
What would you do?

ROFLMAO! He is welcome to her.. and I know.. she will queer that
before long,
because he doenst have the patience, or the interest, or the love to
put up
with her **** for very long.

That, my friends, is why you havent seen much of me until lately.
Interesting
Times, as the curse says.

Now you have seen me, in all my glory, warts wrinkles, zits and all.
My soul
and my life bared before my friends and detractors. Any think that I
am hiding
something? Mafessence on my part? Id be glad to give you the email
addys of
both her friends and mine for outside verification. There is LOTs I
never
touched on.. and as this is VERY OT, probably best not.

Well. then. I guess I win the Grand Prize for Stubborness, and the
Booby Prize
for Stupidity. I do find it interesting that all her girlfriends now
consider
me a desireable item.. and tested husband material.. for some reason.

Bob, you asked what was I looking for? And gave me a dressing down for
wanting
a trophy woman.... lol...
snip 5 minutes of hysterical laughter

Bob.. at the moment, I do not want anything other than a warm, cuddly
boink
buddy, who will ignore the occasional crying jags, and the rock
kicking, and
the ocassional hysterical laughter (its been over 5 weeks without
sex..
gaaaaa!) and no I will not pay for it.. not since 73' .

Someday.. I would like, maybe.. down the road, to find a warm, over
sexed,
lady, with few inhibitions, multiorgasmic, who is trustworthy, kind,
warmhearted, smart, has common sense, a love for animals, likes the
outdoors,
likes being at home, likes to party, but loves to snuggle in front of
a fire
place, She can be short, tall (not fat though...sorry) white, black,
brown,
yellow, green, relilgiouis or a pagan.

Pretty, or handsome, or homely,

But she must be loyal, trustworthy and never never ever tell a lie.
She must
walk besides me, not ahead, or behind. She must be a stayer, not a
self
centered weak quitter.

Do I want too much? Am I being overly picky? Are my standards too
high?
Am I asking too much?

Oh.. one last thing.
She must love me,, warts, wrinkles, thinning hair, zippers and all.

Gunner

So where is the lies?

And here you go claiming that I lie..and then you post facts as some
sort of backup to your claim.

You really arent here to show the world how bad a person I am, you are
just here to try to cause as much pain as you can.

Heads up..its not working.

On the other hand..I dont brag about how much pain I can cause...I
simply do it.

No, you don't. The threats have been flowing for years, and haven't
done a thing to anyone. No, we don't need any "cites" for that, you
impotent nutless clown - you need them to show that you did anything.
There's nothing - you are completely incapable of causing anyone any pain.

Dont see any missing faces here?

You had nothing to do with anyone's disappearance from
rec.crafts.metalworking.

VBG Cites? indeed $75/hr fascinating "I've not" buffoon "hold that
thought" backhoe "the list" cull 264mph "3/5/8 years street cop"
swingers "Libs" leftists

On 3/19/2017 2:47 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:55:35 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:



Oh, you mean the poor mental case who has to hide your identity out of
pure fear?

No, no one is afraid of you. You've demonstrated for years that you
have no ability to act on your threats. You're *far* too timid ever to
try to carry them out, and it is brutally obvious you don't have
contacts with anyone who would do your bidding. You always waffle back
and forth between saying they weren't threats, then suggesting that
people are in fear, which they only would be if they *were* threats.
They were threats, all right, but everyone could always see they were
empty woofing.

Of course they are.

Yep. But you expected people would take them seriously at the time you
wrote them. Instead, everyone saw what a lying gutless shiftless
chicken**** you are. That's actually probably the biggest reason you're
broke - shiftlessness and a total lack of courage.

On 3/19/2017 2:53 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:13:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:47:46 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:


Yeah, really. You get your knickers in a knot over people posting
political stuff here, but you do it yourself, and the only reason you
express your chumpy unhappiness with it is because it is your "side"
that is getting savaged.

Oh yee of little intellect. My side is not being savaged. And I agree I have posted some things that are not metalworking, but no way close to the number you have posted. And my ratio of off topic posts to on topic posts is much smaller than your ratio. Your off topic posts are pretty much 100 % of what you post.

You are just a pathetic person who has to post irrelevant things in RCM to satisfy your longing to be someone. And has to post about those less fortunate because you are too small to be magnanimous.

Dan

Widdle Wuddy Canoli has a streak of hate and vileness a kilometer wide
running through him.

That's what *everyone* thinks of you, loser.

On 3/19/2017 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:47:46 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:


Yeah, really. You get your knickers in a knot over people posting
political stuff here, but you do it yourself, and the only reason you
express your chumpy unhappiness with it is because it is your "side"
that is getting savaged.

Oh yee of little intellect. My side is not being savaged.

Oh, yes it sure has been...and *IS*!

And I agree I have posted some things that are not metalworking, but no way close to the number you have posted. And my ratio of off topic posts to on topic posts is much smaller than your ratio. Your off topic posts are pretty much 100 % of what you post.

You are just a pathetic person who has to post irrelevant things in RCM to satisfy your longing to be someone. And has to post about those less fortunate because you are too small to be magnanimous.

Mark Wieber *begs* for the abuse. No one is abusing him because he's
less fortunate - they do it because he's a thorough-going ****bag. The
rest of you lot - Gardner, Jacques et al. - come in for abuse because
you defend Wieber. You are known by the company you keep.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:13:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 2:47:46 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:


Yeah, really. You get your knickers in a knot over people posting
political stuff here, but you do it yourself, and the only reason you
express your chumpy unhappiness with it is because it is your "side"
that is getting savaged.

Oh yee of little intellect.

Whoyakidding? You don't like seeing Wieber getting kicked. You're
trying to defend him. Lacking ammunition, you make stuff up. Same
loser strategy Wieber has perfected.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:23:39 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:41:10 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:02:37 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:


Pretty good post

How is describing the need to move, "good?"

Clear, descriptive and accurate. That's good.

No. For example - "Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do"

Among the long list of things you CAN'T do:

-earn a proper living
-support your family
-pay your taxes
-stop smoking
-keep you vehicles on the road
-re roof or re floor your house
-provide the slightest proof for any of your wild claims

if I might say so myself.

You are the ONLY person who will say it was "good." Everyone else
thinks it's pathetic at best.

That's their choice.

The point is, if you weren't such a well documented liar, there would
be a least a couple of people pretending to believe their fellow
rightard.

Afterall..it was 17 yrs ago.

Nope. About half that. You've lost track of which load of verbal
diarrhea you were trying to defend.

... when you were still pretending to own the land your mobile sits
on, and when there were still a few people willing to help you with
ideas.

I own the lot behind me,

Nope. Irrefutable fact: there is NO record of you owning ANY land.

the one to the north of me

Nope. Irrefutable fact: there is NO record of you owning ANY land.

and the one across the street.

Nope. Irrefutable fact: there is NO record of you owning ANY land.

Id own the one Im on, if it hadn't been bought up as part
of a parcel when Jamison Trust ended. I didn't even know it was
available before it was purchased. Id be in a hell of a lot better
shape if I had known. It only sold for $15k. Damnit.

Nope. The lien records tell the story - you could never have come up
with the money. AND you already called it a "rather stupid
investment."

"A black attorney in Bakersfield owns my lot. He bought it from the
investment co after Jameson Trust sold it. I wasnt even aware that the
investment company was selling off its rather stupid investment."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!or...w/MKYWWhDYDgAJ

and Im now 63. Shrug.

Yup, time flies. You didn't do a damned thing about your predicament,
and now you're worse off. But still wasting time pretending, and
fooling no one.

Pretending what? Which predicament? There were several.

All of them.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:33:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 07:50:25 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:


Gotten worse? In what way?

Um, how about the 17 more years of debt and liens. Heart attacks and
strokes. Roof leaking, floor rotted, probably dry rot in the walls.
Dead vehicles. Dead "business." No SS payments, so no retirement. Oh,
you mean other than those things? Only a whole lot more!

Odd..I didnt know I was going to have the heart attack and stroke.

And yet, you made an absurd claim of some of clairvoyance. Apparently
it also failed to warn that issuing death threats would result in the
posting of the Wieber Cliff Notes.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!or...0/sdrtoikUi6MJ
No dry rot,

You are unqualified to judge, and your word is worthless anyway. Leaky
roof and unrepaired flood damaged floor for years spells wall dry rot.
Ask any home inspector or pull off some wallboard and see. No matter,
the dump is worth less than you owe on it. It has a future date with a
demolition hoe. The rot will make the job easier and save your
creditors a few bucks.

but yeah..I do need half a roof.

Is there an echo in here?

I have one vehicle that
wont go into Drive/Overdrive, but I still drive it around town. Soon
as I come up with $1300, it will be completly rebuilt. Hopefully soon,

No, not soon. Probably never get fixed at all, and will definitely
never be "completely rebuilt."

but if not..shrug..Ive only got $100 into it. Damned nice Chevy
Venture too. Full power, dual AC and dual heat, marvelous upholstery
and only 98k on the engine.

It's junk that needs repairs you can't afford, which is why it's worth
$100.

The other 4 are in good shape now.

Nope, not in good shape, and unlicensed. As I said, yard ornaments.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:14:52 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/18/2017 4:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 -0700, Caroline Says wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:42 -0700, Rudy Canoza

On the other hand..I dont brag about how much pain I can cause...I
simply do it.

No, you don't. The threats have been flowing for years, and haven't
done a thing to anyone. No, we don't need any "cites" for that, you
impotent nutless clown - you need them to show that you did anything.
There's nothing - you are completely incapable of causing anyone any pain.

Wieber can't even defeat a paper tube stuffed with ground plant
matter. It has whipped his ass thoroughly every day for decades. A
true David and Goliath tale. (for extremely small values of Goliath)

On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:06:00 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/19/2017 2:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

I own the lot behind me, the one to the north of me and the one across
the street.

You don't own any of those.

Proof:

1. go to the Kern County Assessor/Record property search page:
http://assessor.co.kern.ca.us/propertysearch/index.php

2. in Property Search From set the search type to Address,
and key in '326 Olive Ave' in the address box; click Search button

3. in the results page, gummer's dump is the first one listed, with
an ATN/APN number of 039-303-04-00-2. That's a link; click on it

4. In the property profile window, click on the View Parcel Map link;
it will prompt you to save or open the .TIF file; open it. gummer's
dump is in the block with '303' in an oval right below the block.
His dump is the second from the bottom in that block, on the left,
with two numbers in circles over it: 04 and 20. Look closely to
the upper right of the 20 in the circle; you'll see the letters
'MH'. That means "manufactured home." gummer's dump is the only
one in that block that has it (there's one other one over to the
west in block 301.)

Here's the property search result for parcel 20 (in the circle):
http://tinyurl.com/zbm3nxg If you look at that, you'll see the
same site address, 326 Olive Av Taft, and then in the Use Code box,
you'll see '9501 - UNSECURED MH IN ANY OTHER ZONE'. In the
assessor/recorder use codes page,
http://recorder.co.kern.ca.us/assess...?page=usecodes
look for 9501 and you'll find:
'9501 - Unsecured manufactured home in any other zone' Indeed,
gummer lives in a shabby double-wide!

5. Back in the main property information page for 039-303-04-00-2, note
the recorded documents. These are listed in descending date
recorded. They are all deeds. The most recent one is 211112561.
Select and copy that into your clipboard.

6. Now go to the Assessor/Recorder Online page for the recorder's
office at http://recorderonline.co.kern.ca.us/ On the menu at left,
click on the Official Documents link, then in the next window under
Select Search Type click on Document Number.

7. Paste the document number you copied above into the From box and
click the Search button. You'll get a summary page of information
about the deed. At the left the document number is listed as a
link; click on it.

8. More information is displayed. You'll see that the grantors are
several trusts along with an investment company, and the grantee
is another real estate investment company.

*gummer does not own the property*

9. Repeat as you wish for each of the other listed documents that you
saw back on the property information page. gummer's name is not
on any of the deeds.

10. Go back to the property search form (step 2, above), and set the
Search Type to APN. In the search value box, key in the parcel
numbers for the properties to the south and north of gummer's dump.
The ending numbers are indicated by the values in circles on the
parcels. The parcel to the south of gummer is 03, and the one to
the north is 05. The parcels have to be entered without hyphens,
so the one to the south is 03930303, and the one to the north is
03930305.

11. Searching for 03930303, we see that the street address is actually
on Wood St, the street that intersects Olive Av south of gummer's
dump. Taking the most recent document number, 201158812 - a deed -
and searching the documents database as in step 7, we find that
the grantor was South Taft Property, Inc, and the grantee is
Carlos Mena. *gummer does not own this property*

12. Searching for 03930305, we see that the street address is 322
Olive Ave, next door to gummer (326). The most recently recorded
document is 208048103 - a deed. Looking at this deed as in
step 7, we find that the grantor was Rosemarie Torres, and the
grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*

13. Just to be sure, we'll look at the parcels behind these three as
indicated on the parcel map: 03930317, 03930318 and 03930319.

03930317 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930318 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930319 - gummer is not on any of the deeds assocaited with parcel

*gummer doesn't own any property in the block*

Here's another interesting thing to note, regarding the acreage of the
parcels:

03930303: .14
03930304: .16 (gummer's dump)
03930305: .13
03930317: .14
03930318: .16
03930319: .22

All six parcels together add up to .95 of an acre. So much for gummer's
"ranch".

As for the lie about owning across the street:

1. Across the street is parcel 039-302-19.

2. Following the methodology above, we find the most recent deed
document is 205158879

3. Document search shows the grantee to be Isidro Garcia Camargo

*gummer does not own this parcel*

4. Just to be safe, we repeat for parcels to the south and to the
north of "across the street" from gummer. South is 039-302-20,
and north is 039-302-18. The most recent deed for 039-302-18 is
206313436, while that for 039-302-20 is 205348126.

5. These reveal the grantees for these parcels to be "Shea Estates
Development Inc." and John Ashcraft, respectively.

*gummer does not own these parcels*


You do not own any real property.

It's been quite a while since you first posted those instructions and
proof. And yet Wieber keeps on lying at the same time he hopes to find
employment! Perhaps he takes his title of "Amazing Wieber" literally.

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 5:13:10 PM UTC-4, wrote:
(snipped)
You are just a pathetic person who has to post irrelevant things in RCM to satisfy your longing to be someone. And has to post about those less fortunate because you are too small to be magnanimous.

Dan

A dead accurate representation of the day's events, Dan. Any way we can lance this pustulating carbuncle that has attached itself to r.c.m.? I lurk here trying to learn a little more about metalworking as I'm admittedly a rank amateur. But I'm uncommonly sick of this wailing, pig-ignorant cocksucker.

Garrett

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 7:28:47 PM UTC-4, Garrett Fulton wrote:




A dead accurate representation of the day's events, Dan. Any way we can lance this pustulating carbuncle that has attached itself to r.c.m.? I lurk here trying to learn a little more about metalworking as I'm admittedly a rank amateur. But I'm uncommonly sick of this wailing, pig-ignorant cocksucker.

Garrett

I am not optimistic about getting RCM back to being mostly on topic posts. But did think that ridicule might have some effect. I figure that people make off topic posts to get some feeling of importance. Pointing out how silly they look can't hurt.

Dan

On 3/19/2017 4:01 PM, Caroline Says wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:06:00 -0700, Hopalong Hirschowitz
wrote:

On 3/19/2017 2:23 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

I own the lot behind me, the one to the north of me and the one across
the street.

You don't own any of those.

Proof:

1. go to the Kern County Assessor/Record property search page:
http://assessor.co.kern.ca.us/propertysearch/index.php

2. in Property Search From set the search type to Address,
and key in '326 Olive Ave' in the address box; click Search button

3. in the results page, gummer's dump is the first one listed, with
an ATN/APN number of 039-303-04-00-2. That's a link; click on it

4. In the property profile window, click on the View Parcel Map link;
it will prompt you to save or open the .TIF file; open it. gummer's
dump is in the block with '303' in an oval right below the block.
His dump is the second from the bottom in that block, on the left,
with two numbers in circles over it: 04 and 20. Look closely to
the upper right of the 20 in the circle; you'll see the letters
'MH'. That means "manufactured home." gummer's dump is the only
one in that block that has it (there's one other one over to the
west in block 301.)

Here's the property search result for parcel 20 (in the circle):
http://tinyurl.com/zbm3nxg If you look at that, you'll see the
same site address, 326 Olive Av Taft, and then in the Use Code box,
you'll see '9501 - UNSECURED MH IN ANY OTHER ZONE'. In the
assessor/recorder use codes page,
http://recorder.co.kern.ca.us/assess...?page=usecodes
look for 9501 and you'll find:
'9501 - Unsecured manufactured home in any other zone' Indeed,
gummer lives in a shabby double-wide!

5. Back in the main property information page for 039-303-04-00-2, note
the recorded documents. These are listed in descending date
recorded. They are all deeds. The most recent one is 211112561.
Select and copy that into your clipboard.

6. Now go to the Assessor/Recorder Online page for the recorder's
office at http://recorderonline.co.kern.ca.us/ On the menu at left,
click on the Official Documents link, then in the next window under
Select Search Type click on Document Number.

7. Paste the document number you copied above into the From box and
click the Search button. You'll get a summary page of information
about the deed. At the left the document number is listed as a
link; click on it.

8. More information is displayed. You'll see that the grantors are
several trusts along with an investment company, and the grantee
is another real estate investment company.

*gummer does not own the property*

9. Repeat as you wish for each of the other listed documents that you
saw back on the property information page. gummer's name is not
on any of the deeds.

10. Go back to the property search form (step 2, above), and set the
Search Type to APN. In the search value box, key in the parcel
numbers for the properties to the south and north of gummer's dump.
The ending numbers are indicated by the values in circles on the
parcels. The parcel to the south of gummer is 03, and the one to
the north is 05. The parcels have to be entered without hyphens,
so the one to the south is 03930303, and the one to the north is
03930305.

11. Searching for 03930303, we see that the street address is actually
on Wood St, the street that intersects Olive Av south of gummer's
dump. Taking the most recent document number, 201158812 - a deed -
and searching the documents database as in step 7, we find that
the grantor was South Taft Property, Inc, and the grantee is
Carlos Mena. *gummer does not own this property*

12. Searching for 03930305, we see that the street address is 322
Olive Ave, next door to gummer (326). The most recently recorded
document is 208048103 - a deed. Looking at this deed as in
step 7, we find that the grantor was Rosemarie Torres, and the
grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*

13. Just to be sure, we'll look at the parcels behind these three as
indicated on the parcel map: 03930317, 03930318 and 03930319.

03930317 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930318 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930319 - gummer is not on any of the deeds assocaited with parcel

*gummer doesn't own any property in the block*

Here's another interesting thing to note, regarding the acreage of the
parcels:

03930303: .14
03930304: .16 (gummer's dump)
03930305: .13
03930317: .14
03930318: .16
03930319: .22

All six parcels together add up to .95 of an acre. So much for gummer's
"ranch".

As for the lie about owning across the street:

1. Across the street is parcel 039-302-19.

2. Following the methodology above, we find the most recent deed
document is 205158879

3. Document search shows the grantee to be Isidro Garcia Camargo

*gummer does not own this parcel*

4. Just to be safe, we repeat for parcels to the south and to the
north of "across the street" from gummer. South is 039-302-20,
and north is 039-302-18. The most recent deed for 039-302-18 is
206313436, while that for 039-302-20 is 205348126.

5. These reveal the grantees for these parcels to be "Shea Estates
Development Inc." and John Ashcraft, respectively.

*gummer does not own these parcels*


You do not own any real property.

It's been quite a while since you first posted those instructions and
proof.

Yes, it will be a year early next next month.

And yet Wieber keeps on lying at the same time he hopes to find
employment! Perhaps he takes his title of "Amazing Wieber" literally.

Wieber is a chronic and reflexive liar. Dan Caster charitably tried to
call them "tall tails" [sic] some time back, but he and all Wieber's
other sunshine allies know he's a liar. I don't get why they defend
him. Some of them seem like legitimate and honest conservatives, and I
would think they'd resent Wieber for being a Medicaid scrounger and then
lying about it. There seems to be some kind of nasty tribalism at play
here.