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Ed Huntress wrote:


Thanks, Jon. Actually, I'll probably start writing again in a few
weeks. I don't like the looks of what happens to my friends when they
retire.

Right, more than a few people I knew retired, and were dead within months!
Now, maybe they retired BECAUSE their health was going down the tubes, but
it was a bit of a shock. I know I'd stay active with a million projects if
I retired.

I'm just not going to work on somebody else's schedule again.

Sounds wonderful!

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:55:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
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I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.


No, you don't.


Sure I do. Eds just a feeble minded RINO. He should have years ahead
of him to learn the errors of his ways...not that they were really
evil..just..misguided.

You on the other hand....(VBG)

What's it like to claim that so many people are stupid and past their
cull date, and then watch them get so far ahead of you?


Just goes to show that even SOME morons can win the Lotto. You on the
other hand..have nothing but boasts. Which is why you hide. (VBG)

Hey Wieber, when are YOU going to retire? Oh right, first you need to
get a job and learn how to earn a living. Tick tock. LOL


I figure Ill pull the plug at about 70. 7 yrs from now.

Then Ill let your tax dollars support me. Pay lots of taxes now, ya
hear?!


Exactly when did you give up after realizing that you couldn't do the
simple things that normal people do? Was it before or after you
started posting all the crazy Walter Mitty nonsense?


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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:16:03 AM UTC-4, Don Foreman wrote:
Congratulations, Ed!


On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:39:29 -0400, Ed Huntress
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Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

So, enjoy yourselves. I'll be finding better ways to use my time. I
have a small boat to build before it gets cold. Hasta luego!

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Yes, congratulations. You've earned it and it's the greatest thing since bottled beer.
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There ya go!

When I retired back in 1999, I thought that I'd like to continue doing
pretty much what I had been doing but:
*I'd play at least half of the time -- go fishing, etc
*I wanted to do only what I wanted to do
*I did not want to have to do anything I did not want to do
*Projects would have no budget, no schedule. I didn't even have to
finish them if I found something more interesting to do.
NIU: Nothing Is Urgent
HFIJ1: Having Fun Is Job 1

It's worked fer me for 17 years, and I'm still going strong, learning
new things and continue to do stuff I already knew how to do and
enjoyed doing.

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Thanks, Jon. Actually, I'll probably start writing again in a few
weeks. I don't like the looks of what happens to my friends when they
retire.

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Glad to see you again Don!

I try to practice what you preach even without being retired.

i

On 2016-09-14, Don Foreman wrote:
There ya go!

When I retired back in 1999, I thought that I'd like to continue doing
pretty much what I had been doing but:
*I'd play at least half of the time -- go fishing, etc
*I wanted to do only what I wanted to do
*I did not want to have to do anything I did not want to do
*Projects would have no budget, no schedule. I didn't even have to
finish them if I found something more interesting to do.
NIU: Nothing Is Urgent
HFIJ1: Having Fun Is Job 1

It's worked fer me for 17 years, and I'm still going strong, learning
new things and continue to do stuff I already knew how to do and
enjoyed doing.

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Thanks, Jon. Actually, I'll probably start writing again in a few
weeks. I don't like the looks of what happens to my friends when they
retire.

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On 14-Sep-16 11:24 AM, Ignoramus16559 wrote:
Glad to see you again Don!


I was going to say the same thing!

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Right - might be thin sheets floating in the water. What kind of glue
is used ? Is it marine or just interior glue.

I have a pole barn shed shed with poles in the back. The former owner
passed away in a fire within. Before I bought it, they put on a facade
of ply to make it a building, not a burnt out front.

The end was in interior ply and sheets are pealing off - full sheets.
They stick only due to hardware attached. Something I'll have to work
on someday.

Martin

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On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 9:14:10 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:


.393 vs .250

Thats going to be a bit on the heavy side, and take some muscle to wrap
around for the hull, but its doable. .25 Luan plywood seems to be the skin
of choice for a lot of small boats. That extra 1/8+ is going to add up.


It will be heavier than I would like. But the price was right and should be fine after it is in the water. If the weight is a big problem , can always build another lighter one.

I have a 10 foot john boat that I can haul around in my pickup. So no problem here, but my grandson in in upstate New York and does not have access to a pickup.

Dan

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Right - might be thin sheets floating in the water. What kind of glue
is used ? Is it marine or just interior glue.



Martin


The sheet have no markings , but are many plys. Maybe 7 or 9 plys for the 1 cm thick plywood. So before doing a lot of work, I soaked some pieces in a bucket of water.

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Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!


Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

True indeed.

I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.


Like my tee says
"The more you complain, the longer God makes you live."

You just want him to live long enough to be culled, dontcha?

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There ya go!

When I retired back in 1999, I thought that I'd like to continue doing
pretty much what I had been doing but:
*I'd play at least half of the time -- go fishing, etc
*I wanted to do only what I wanted to do
*I did not want to have to do anything I did not want to do
*Projects would have no budget, no schedule. I didn't even have to
finish them if I found something more interesting to do.
NIU: Nothing Is Urgent
HFIJ1: Having Fun Is Job 1

It's worked fer me for 17 years, and I'm still going strong, learning
new things and continue to do stuff I already knew how to do and
enjoyed doing.


Atta Boy, Don! My goals are the same as yours, 'cept for the "no
budget" thing. Funds are far too finite.

I just finished building an 8 battery box for the solar system. I
figured that, at some point, I'd want more than the 2 I already
bought. The 1kW of solar I have now will be installed just before the
rainy season, later this month.

Also slotted are repairing all the equipment from my Gunner Runs. The
drill press idler is awaiting assembly, tubes are here for the MIG
tires, and I'm drafting up a table for the table saw. I just have to
get the 4 tons of crap off my shop floor first, which means more
shelving and putting order to that which I already have up.

I have a lot of interests, so staying busy during retirement is never,
ever going to be a problem for me. Imagination breeds life extension!

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On 09/14/2016 7:59 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
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In Orthodoxy, we have the saying "Many Years." On your birthday,
your anniversary, your promotion, what ever. Not necessarily because
we want you to live a long life, although we do, but because "many
years" provide you with time to repent from those things which
separate you from God.

Many years.


+1

"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."


Of similar sentiments, one of my favorites from Mark Twain --

'Good judgement is the result of experience. Experience is the result
of bad judgement.'

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I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.


No, you don't.


Sure I do.


Nope, you're just lying as usual.

What's it like to claim that so many people are stupid and past their
cull date, and then watch them get so far ahead of you?


Just goes to show that even SOME morons can win the Lotto.


So everyone who's more successful than you must have won a lottery.
Nothing to do with them having jobs and paying taxes, eh?

Hey Wieber, when are YOU going to retire? Oh right, first you need to
get a job and learn how to earn a living. Tick tock. LOL


I figure Ill pull the plug at about 70. 7 yrs from now.


LOL The air will be sputtering out of you before long, much like a
bald tire that finally runs over one sharp rock too many. You were
lucky to make it to the ER on time in the past, but that luck is
unlikely to last.

Then Ill let your tax dollars support me.


You've been a tax charity case for most of your life. You and your
family have absorbed over a million in medical care, and I doubt any
of you ever paid a nickel of the bills.

Exactly when did you give up after realizing that you couldn't do the
simple things that normal people do? Was it before or after you
started posting all the crazy Walter Mitty nonsense?


?????


Translation: you gave up a couple of decades ago. About the time you
stopped paying taxes on your mobile home.

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Why should I bother removing it?


Because it's what any normally intelligent person would do, and most
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On 9/12/2016 3:39 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

So, enjoy yourselves. I'll be finding better ways to use my time. I
have a small boat to build before it gets cold. Hasta luego!

(if anyone wants to reach me, delete the "3" from my phony email
address above)


When I retired I became a bit more liberal. Will you become a bit more
conservative?

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On 9/12/2016 3:39 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

So, enjoy yourselves. I'll be finding better ways to use my time. I
have a small boat to build before it gets cold. Hasta luego!

(if anyone wants to reach me, delete the "3" from my phony email
address above)


When I retired I became a bit more liberal. Will you become a bit
more conservative?


Its almost like you're begging ...
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One of those jobs is engineering. I think it's true of any job where
one's identity and job might eventually become indistinguishable and
the job becomes the reason for living each day.

Ed already has plans and schemes: build a boat, go fishing for
pickerel. Other interests and passions will pop up. He'll write
about whateverthehell he wants to write about, and won't really care
whether or not some editor somewhere likes what he's written or not.

That's freedom!

Another retiree I know, a name well-known to old RCM'rs, is now
writing novels.

What keeps us alive is having a reason to be alive: excitement and
anticipation of what we're going to do and enjoy today and tomorrow
and next week. Having a good partner for the journey helps a LOT.

Today, 17 years and 3 months after retiring ... I'm going fishing as
soon as it warms up a little outside. Saturday we're going to a grape
stomp at a local winery. Next week, back to town for this 'n that. I
have three little shop project ideas in my little notebook. I'm
helping a fellow RCM'r to get started with anodizing aluminum. I have
a new computer waiting for me to "move into". I haven't designed a
circuit in at least two weeks ... been fishing! The last circuit I
designed was for a very bright LED spotlight to illuminate my American
flag at night. Except for the Cree XM-L2 LED, it used '90s technology
and parts because that's what I had in my goodie box and I don't need
to make a competitive product -- I only need to make one.

The circuit before that was for the 3-watt "bugfree" LED light. It
lights up the whole deck for cleaning fish after dark, is visible from
across the lake 1.25 miles distant. It's a very narrow-spectrum amber
color that bugs can't see. This was Mark III. I gave Mark II to one
of my good neighbors at the lake.




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Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!


Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

Gee, thanks for the encouragement, Bruce. g

Seriously, I would be worried about hard-core retirement. But I don't
think I'll ever stop my writing work. I'm just severing all
connections with deadlines, employment, and related things. I think
that just stopping work itself is a good way to make yourself age
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Ignoramus7822 wrote:

Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!

Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

True indeed.

I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.


Like my tee says
"The more you complain, the longer God makes you live."

You just want him to live long enough to be culled, dontcha?



Nah..they wont cull Fast Eddy. They might prop him up in the Clown
Car..but he has too little influence over anything ...he is just a
minor stench..kinda like a kindergardners fart. Nothing of any
significance. And I kinda like him, damaged as he is.

If he is on the List..its not by my doing.

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On 9/12/2016 3:39 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

So, enjoy yourselves. I'll be finding better ways to use my time. I
have a small boat to build before it gets cold. Hasta luego!

(if anyone wants to reach me, delete the "3" from my phony email
address above)


When I retired I became a bit more liberal. Will you become a bit more
conservative?



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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:55:11 -0500, Jon Elson
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Ed Huntress wrote:


Thanks, Jon. Actually, I'll probably start writing again in a few
weeks. I don't like the looks of what happens to my friends when they
retire.

Right, more than a few people I knew retired, and were dead within months!
Now, maybe they retired BECAUSE their health was going down the tubes, but
it was a bit of a shock. I know I'd stay active with a million projects if
I retired.

I'm just not going to work on somebody else's schedule again.

Sounds wonderful!

Jon

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We all have finite budgets. I guess what I meant was that I spend
about zero time worrying about cost-cutting. If I can't afford to do
what I want to do without fretting about cost then I just do
something else! I do a lot of "junkbox design", meaning that I
design around what I have on hand rather than what might be optimal in
a product design.

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Atta Boy, Don! My goals are the same as yours, 'cept for the "no
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:55:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
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Ignoramus7822 wrote:

Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!

Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

True indeed.

I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.


Like my tee says
"The more you complain, the longer God makes you live."

You just want him to live long enough to be culled, dontcha?



Nah..they wont cull Fast Eddy. They might prop him up in the Clown
Car..but he has too little influence over anything ...he is just a
minor stench..kinda like a kindergardners fart. Nothing of any
significance. And I kinda like him, damaged as he is.

If he is on the List..its not by my doing.

Gunner


Interesting. A fellow who makes a decent living, educates his kids,
and generally acts like a decent white man is going to be culled while
another fellow who is too lazy to work and is just a lay about bum two
steps down the financial ladder from an illegal Mexican laborer isn't.

Says something for the American Dream doesn't it.
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:55:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT),
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Ignoramus7822 wrote:

Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!

Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

True indeed.

I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.


Like my tee says
"The more you complain, the longer God makes you live."

You just want him to live long enough to be culled, dontcha?



Nah..they wont cull Fast Eddy. They might prop him up in the Clown
Car..but he has too little influence over anything ...he is just a
minor stench..kinda like a kindergardners fart. Nothing of any
significance. And I kinda like him, damaged as he is.

If he is on the List..its not by my doing.


There is no "list", there are no "those who maintain the list." It's
all bull**** - 100% of it.

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It's a car-topper rowboat that I can get up and down by myself; it
weighs 60 lb or maybe a little less if I decide to go for the
high-class imported plywood. It's mostly for pickerel fishing in the
ponds and cranberry bogs in the South Jersey Pine Barrens, and I may
use it in the tidal creeks that run into the NJ bays.


Gorgeous day on the lake today. Post-coldfront high blue sky, fish
shouldn't have been biting, but I can usually find a few fish.

We caught our supper again this afternoon, fish went direct from
cleaning table to pan. 6 nice sunnies, 1 little largemouth bass, one
northern pike. We were out for about 2 hours. Spent another pleasant
hour on a boat ride and recon looking for some new spots to try next
time.

Small pike (under 5 lb) actually taste better than walleye, and bass
and sunnies from this gin-clear Minnesota lake are very close behind.
Egg wash, panko breading, sautee in butter. YUM! Sides were sweet
corn, onion bread and cole slaw, accompanied by a very pleasant
Riesling.

One northern hit my lure like a runaway truck, broke my 20 lb test
line and cost me the RedEye Wiggler lure I bought just yesterday. He
got away ... this time ... we'll be back! I marked an X on the side
of the boat so I'll know exactly where to cast when we return.

Shop project: repaired a rod. An eyelet broke off when that northern
hit. My workbench was the fish cleaning table out on the deck by the
lake in the sunshine. Tools were some dacron fishing line, some super
glue and a sharp knife.

Finished reading a very good novel: "Cold Vengeance", Preston &
Child. I'll start another tomorrow.

Being retired's a bitch, but we soldier on bravely.

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On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:47:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:55:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT),
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Ignoramus7822 wrote:

Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!

Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in
some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is
just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

True indeed.

I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.

Like my tee says
"The more you complain, the longer God makes you live."

You just want him to live long enough to be culled, dontcha?



Nah..they wont cull Fast Eddy. They might prop him up in the Clown
Car..but he has too little influence over anything ...he is just a
minor stench..kinda like a kindergardners fart. Nothing of any
significance. And I kinda like him, damaged as he is.

If he is on the List..its not by my doing.


There is no "list", there are no "those who maintain the list." It's
all bull**** - 100% of it.


You hope ... I see you've morphed again , still to much the coward to post
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:55:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Ignoramus7822 wrote:

Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!

Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in
some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is
just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

True indeed.

I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.

Like my tee says
"The more you complain, the longer God makes you live."

You just want him to live long enough to be culled, dontcha?


Nah..they wont cull Fast Eddy. They might prop him up in the Clown
Car..but he has too little influence over anything ...he is just a
minor stench..kinda like a kindergardners fart. Nothing of any
significance. And I kinda like him, damaged as he is.

If he is on the List..its not by my doing.


There is no "list", there are no "those who maintain the list." It's
all bull**** - 100% of it.


You hope ...


We all *know* that "the list" is bull****. You know it. We know that
you know it.

I see you've morphed again , still to much the coward to post
your real name .


I'd apologize, but it would be insincere. I really like that it upsets you.

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I'd apologize, but it would be insincere. I really like that it upsets you.


That says everything about you.

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It's a car-topper rowboat that I can get up and down by myself; it
weighs 60 lb or maybe a little less if I decide to go for the
high-class imported plywood. It's mostly for pickerel fishing in the
ponds and cranberry bogs in the South Jersey Pine Barrens, and I may
use it in the tidal creeks that run into the NJ bays.


Gorgeous day on the lake today. Post-coldfront high blue sky, fish
shouldn't have been biting, but I can usually find a few fish.

We caught our supper again this afternoon, fish went direct from
cleaning table to pan. 6 nice sunnies, 1 little largemouth bass, one
northern pike. We were out for about 2 hours. Spent another pleasant
hour on a boat ride and recon looking for some new spots to try next
time.

Small pike (under 5 lb) actually taste better than walleye, and bass
and sunnies from this gin-clear Minnesota lake are very close behind.
Egg wash, panko breading, sautee in butter. YUM! Sides were sweet
corn, onion bread and cole slaw, accompanied by a very pleasant
Riesling.

One northern hit my lure like a runaway truck, broke my 20 lb test
line and cost me the RedEye Wiggler lure I bought just yesterday. He
got away ... this time ... we'll be back! I marked an X on the side
of the boat so I'll know exactly where to cast when we return.

Shop project: repaired a rod. An eyelet broke off when that northern
hit. My workbench was the fish cleaning table out on the deck by the
lake in the sunshine. Tools were some dacron fishing line, some super
glue and a sharp knife.

Finished reading a very good novel: "Cold Vengeance", Preston &
Child. I'll start another tomorrow.

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Oh, boy, you make it sound great. I hope I enjoy mine nearly as much.

About the pike: Do you cut out the Y-shaped bones along the lateral
line, or do you cook them with the bones in, and eat around them?

We have northerns in a few lakes but we have pickerel -- redfins and
chain pickerel -- all over the place. The redfins are too small to eat
but I'll bring home a chain pickerel. I have a tiny Rapala filet knife
that I've sharpened like a razor and save just for removing a strip of
those bones (and the dark lateral line on bluefish).

BTW, I skin my sunfish. It seems to get rid of any muddy taste. I
filet them, too, which is like performing surgery. g

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There ya go!

When I retired back in 1999, I thought that I'd like to continue doing
pretty much what I had been doing but:
*I'd play at least half of the time -- go fishing, etc
*I wanted to do only what I wanted to do
*I did not want to have to do anything I did not want to do
*Projects would have no budget, no schedule. I didn't even have to
finish them if I found something more interesting to do.
NIU: Nothing Is Urgent
HFIJ1: Having Fun Is Job 1

It's worked fer me for 17 years, and I'm still going strong, learning
new things and continue to do stuff I already knew how to do and
enjoyed doing.


That's an inspiration, Don. I should keep that list.

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Thanks, Jon. Actually, I'll probably start writing again in a few
weeks. I don't like the looks of what happens to my friends when they
retire.

I'm just not going to work on somebody else's schedule again.


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On 9/13/2016 3:27 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On 13 Sep 2016 04:46:03 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
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On 2016-09-12, Rudy Canoza wrote:
On 9/12/2016 12:39 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Congratulations on retiring.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

[ ... ]

What kind of fishing? My son and I are thinking of getting into fly
fishing. I'd like to look into building my own fly rod. Ever done that?

A friend, who recently retired also, and moved to somewhere in
Michigan (if I remember right) makes fly rods from bamboo, and even took
the time to design and build a CNC machine for cutting the taper of the
sections from split bamboo. Apparently, people pay him quite a bit for
the rods, so they must be pretty good.

Enjoy,
DoN.


Well, a Carmichael bamboo rod brings something like $3,000 or more, so
there is some money in it. But building rods in bamboo is like making
guitars, if not violins. The level of craft is on a similar order.


Maybe I'll aim a little lower to start ;-)


I'll make a few suggestions here, because you can get really deep into
the weeds in a hurry when it comes to fly rods and fly fishing.

It's like golf clubs or shotguns: you can spend unbelievable amounts
of money on it, but their performance and pleasure you'll get from it
have no relationship to how expensive your equipment is. And if you
build rods and find out that you don't really like it, it's a waste.
Ovis makes fly-fishing outfits that start at $170, and they have some
that go up into the thousands. Until you've been at it for a year or
two, you wouldn't recognize the difference.

If you want to try it, my suggestion to everyone (except my wife g)
is to attend a fly-casting school and see what you think of it. I love
it but not everyone does. You have an excellent one in Calif. -- Bill
Ward's -- and there are many other smaller, lesser-known ones that
would be just as good for a first try. Try their rods and talk to them
about what you'd do with it. There are many different kinds and
weights, and starting off with the wrong one for the kind of fishing
you'd do would be very frustrating.

BTW, there are lots of videos that will help after you get a little
hands-on instruction, but they won't help you with the feel and the
timing, which are almost everything. Until the last few days I hadn't
fly-fished since a year ago this past Spring, and I got really rusty.
I'm still not back up to speed. If you only do it from time to time,
it probably won't go well. You have to do it fairly frequently. When I
can't get trout fishing I'll fly-fish for sunfish or bass. Salt water
is another story entirely.

Building rods is fun, but it won't save you any money. My rods
probably contain an average of $300 worth of materials each. I could
buy really nice rods for that. My newest reel cost a couple of
hundred. My $39 one works just as well.

But two of my rods are very special -- you can't buy anything like
them, or you couldn't, unless you had them custom-made. That kind of
specialization, though, is for someone who has been at it for years.

If you go to a school and find that you really like it, you're
probably better off buying a decent but inexpensive rod, rather than
building one to start. It takes a few weeks of spare time to do it
right at home but the factories can build them in less than an hour.
After you've been at it and decide what contour you want, what grip,
and what weight, you can buy components a lot more intelligently. I
like to make my grips, hosels, and so on from scratch. Without a
lathe, you'd want to buy them already made. All you need for equipment
is a big book to put some drag on the winding thread, a couple of wire
coat hangers, some sandpaper, and a couple of razor blades. But take
your time.

Good luck.

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 12:34:04 +0800, Alan wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 00:11:59 -0400, Ed Huntress
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Seriously, I would be worried about hard-core retirement. But I don't
think I'll ever stop my writing work. I'm just severing all
connections with deadlines, employment, and related things. I think
that just stopping work itself is a good way to make yourself age
faster.


You are absolutely right Ed. There was one guy at work who had
no outside interests, not even sport. He retired and 2 months
later was dead.

I took early retirement in October 95, nearly 21 years now, and
have never regretted it. Interests : woodworking, woodturning,
metalwork, model trains & reading. My library is somewhere close to
1500 books, 2 more due today and another 3 in the post.

Best wishes for your retirement --- keep yourself busy.

Alan


Thanks, Alan. So far, I'm too busy to turn around. But I have so many
little jobs around the house that I just haven't been able to get to
until now, so there is plenty to do.

I am going to sneak in some fun. I just got in from a couple of days
of trout fishing -- I caught the morning mayfly rise this morning and
then headed home from PA -- and I'm heading out for a few days of surf
fishing late tomorrow. That will help recovery from my
fishing-deficiency anemia. d8-)

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On 9/13/2016 3:23 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 22:28:43 -0700, Rudy Canoza
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On 9/12/2016 6:29 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:29:52 -0700, Hot Coals
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:39:29 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough.

Congrats!

Thanks. I'll tell you if it was a good idea in a few months. d8-)

Work is work, and there's a reason we have to be paid to do any (much)
of it for someone else. But your work sounded like something you really
enjoyed, and it always seemed to me you had a lot of control over the
amount and pace of it. You're still under age 70, seem to have taken
good care of yourself and be in relatively good health, so what made you
pull the plug?


I'm rushing out the door here, so this is not well thought out, but
the short story is that it was becoming too frustrating. I have an
editorial vision and the world was going somewhere else.

Or my publisher was. Or publishing is. It will take some time and
distance for me to have an accurate view of it.


Oh, I completely get the type of frustration you're talking about. I've
gone through something similar over the last 15 or so years. I've
worked all my life in IT, and from 1983 until 2005 it was all as an
independent consultant/contractor. Most of the early days of that was
spent on installing and customizing commercial vendor-supplied ERP
packages, mainly in distributing and manufacturing, with some forays off
into insurance and health care. This was entirely on medium to large
IBM platforms. I probably caught most of the second half of the big
computerization wave in the U.S., when computers went from doing some
accounting and tabulating to becoming central to firms' core business
functions. The shift meant that what came to be known as IT (after
earlier being "the computer room" and then "data processing") stopped
being managed by the CFO and came to have its own senior executive.
Except for a short spell in the very early 1990s, I never lacked work.
As an independent contractor, I had a lot of control over my time, and I
got a lot of the hardest assignments, which I liked. There was one firm
where I spent most of a five year interval in the late 1990s, and near
the end of it, the CIO got dinged in an audit because she gave me too
much of the important stuff, and there was no "succession plan" if I got
run over by a truck or inherited a few million and stopped working.

It all changed quickly in the early 2000s. First, nearly every medium
to large firm that was going to acquire and customize an enterprise
package had already done so, and focus shifted to customer interfaces
rather than core enterprise functions. Second, Sarbanes-Oxley and other
onerous regulations came into place that mandated segregation-of-duties
and extremely cumbersome change management procedures; the change
management bull**** made it harder and harder to get things done.
Third, there was a huge wave of mergers and acquisitions, and a lot of
big companies that had needed a lot of IT work simply disappeared.
Finally, there was the surge of "off-shoring" that moved quite a lot of
IT work to India and elsewhere, and also the notoriously corrupt H-1B
visa debacle that put intense downward pressure on contract rates and
salaries. In the heyday, I could bill $75 and occasionally $85 an hour
for truly independent work, and I would get offers from contract brokers
for $65 an hour; by 2006, the brokers were offering in the $35-$40
range, sometimes less. I had to give up contracting in 2005 and take a
so-called "permanent" position, of which I have now had three.

Today, I work for a huge financial services company, heavily regulated,
and the work is tedious and hard to get done because of all the change
management and regulatory compliance hoops. They motivate the proles
with near-constant reminders that failure to comply with all the regs
can result in consequences "up to and including termination" - very
cheerful. I have to take numerous internal training sessions annually
in change management, incident management, anti-money laundering, risk
management, time tracking, "diversity and inclusion" (what bull****),
and more. The work is pure systems management - no more development.
There's really no challenge to it, or very little. It has become just a
paycheck.


Now I better understand your inclination to libertarianism. I've only
had to face that kind of thing when I was a medical editor for six
years, and half the job was making sure we complied with medical,
legal, and regulatory standards. Medical editing pays pretty well
because not many people can do it, in that environment. I found it to
be insufferably tedious but it was a good-paying job when other
editing jobs were on the skids. They always need medical editors.

The regulations in that industry, however, generally make good sense.
What doesn't make sense is the huge negative consequences for making a
mistake. They grind up editors with regularity, because a mistake can
cost the company itself an enormous financial hit. I've witnessed a
proofreader getting fired for misspelling a word in a headline.
Ironically, it's easier to do that than to make a mistake in text.
It's vicious.


I envy your situation where you feel you can retire. I can't - married
late, have a 15 year old son in private school, major expenses far out
onto the horizon (unless he can get a full-ride scholarship to a good
school.) If he can get his university education all or mostly paid by
someone else, I'll sell everything and get the hell out of the People's
Republic of California and go someplace where it's cheaper to live, and
maybe then I can cut back on work or at least not have to worry as much
about chasing the highest salary.


Hang in there. We eventually get old and the kids leave the nest. g
I think I'd be cutting it pretty close if I didn't do any work at all,
but I look forward to just writing articles I want to write, when I
want to write them. It won't be many.

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 16:28:50 +1000, Jon Anderson
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On 13/09/2016 5:39 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend


The worst day fishing beats the best day working.
But I guess that doesn't apply anymore, eh?
Enjoy!

Jon


Thanks, Jon. I hope the rest is like the last week. d8-) I didn't
catch many trout (man, am I rusty!) but just being on those freestone
streams is worth the effort. It's beautiful up in north-central PA
right now. But then, it usually is.

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 15:41:23 +0800, doggerel wrote:

On 13-Sep-16 3:39 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

So, enjoy yourselves. I'll be finding better ways to use my time. I
have a small boat to build before it gets cold. Hasta luego!

(if anyone wants to reach me, delete the "3" from my phony email
address above)



Enjoy! I'm sure you will be back here sooner than you think.

Thanks for the useful advice you've given here over the years.


Thanks. I'm between trips and somehow I had to log into RCM. g

I'm off again tomorrow evening for some sal****er fishing.

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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Garrett Fulton
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:16:03 AM UTC-4, Don Foreman wrote:
Congratulations, Ed!


On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:39:29 -0400, Ed Huntress
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Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

So, enjoy yourselves. I'll be finding better ways to use my time. I
have a small boat to build before it gets cold. Hasta luego!

(if anyone wants to reach me, delete the "3" from my phony email
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Yes, congratulations. You've earned it and it's the greatest thing since bottled beer.


Thanks to both of you guys. So far, so good...

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On 9/15/2016 9:06 AM, wrote:
On 9/15/2016 8:05 AM, Catherine L. Cranche wrote:
On 9/15/2016 7:34 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Catherine L. Cranche wrote:
On 9/14/2016 4:16 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:47:04 -0700, Larry Jaques
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 08:55:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

Ignoramus7822 wrote:

Awesome! I hope that you enjoy your retirement for a long time!

Actually, that time period is a concern. A BBC article says: "... in
some jobs, average life expectancy after retirement is
just 18 months". Here's the website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18952037

True indeed.

I hope Ed stays alive for a very long time.

Like my tee says
"The more you complain, the longer God makes you live."

You just want him to live long enough to be culled, dontcha?


Nah..they wont cull Fast Eddy. They might prop him up in the Clown
Car..but he has too little influence over anything ...he is just a
minor stench..kinda like a kindergardners fart. Nothing of any
significance. And I kinda like him, damaged as he is.

If he is on the List..its not by my doing.

There is no "list", there are no "those who maintain the list." It's
all bull**** - 100% of it.

You hope ...


We all *know* that "the list" is bull****. You know it. We know that
you know it.

I see you've morphed again , still to much the coward to post
your real name .


I'd apologize, but it would be insincere. I really like that it upsets
you.


That says everything about you.


No, not everything, and what it does say isn't particularly negative.
Coombs, and his pal Wieber, are thorough-going assholes, and upsetting
assholes who have no redeeming qualities is not a bad thing to do - it's
a good thing to do. I don't consider you an asshole, just plodding and
thick, and I don't derive any satisfaction in upsetting you, in the way
I get great satisfaction from upsetting Wieber and Coombs; I just don't
attach much significance to upsetting you.

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On 9/12/2016 3:39 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough. So I went fishing this
weekend -- and I see that a lot of people here spent this nice weekend
blowing smoke at each other.

Tomorrow I'm leaving for a few days of .... more fishing. Then I'm
going somewhere else. I won't be back for a long while.

So, enjoy yourselves. I'll be finding better ways to use my time. I
have a small boat to build before it gets cold. Hasta luego!

(if anyone wants to reach me, delete the "3" from my phony email
address above)


When I retired I became a bit more liberal. Will you become a bit more
conservative?


God, I hope not, but I'm developing some bad habits. I already swear
too much and I eat squirrels. What's next?

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On 9/15/2016 9:49 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:29:12 -0700, Rudy Canoza
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On 9/13/2016 3:23 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 22:28:43 -0700, Rudy Canoza
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On 9/12/2016 6:29 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 17:29:52 -0700, Hot Coals
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On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 15:39:29 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote:

Well, I retired on Friday. 'Finally had enough.

Congrats!

Thanks. I'll tell you if it was a good idea in a few months. d8-)

Work is work, and there's a reason we have to be paid to do any (much)
of it for someone else. But your work sounded like something you really
enjoyed, and it always seemed to me you had a lot of control over the
amount and pace of it. You're still under age 70, seem to have taken
good care of yourself and be in relatively good health, so what made you
pull the plug?

I'm rushing out the door here, so this is not well thought out, but
the short story is that it was becoming too frustrating. I have an
editorial vision and the world was going somewhere else.

Or my publisher was. Or publishing is. It will take some time and
distance for me to have an accurate view of it.


Oh, I completely get the type of frustration you're talking about. I've
gone through something similar over the last 15 or so years. I've
worked all my life in IT, and from 1983 until 2005 it was all as an
independent consultant/contractor. Most of the early days of that was
spent on installing and customizing commercial vendor-supplied ERP
packages, mainly in distributing and manufacturing, with some forays off
into insurance and health care. This was entirely on medium to large
IBM platforms. I probably caught most of the second half of the big
computerization wave in the U.S., when computers went from doing some
accounting and tabulating to becoming central to firms' core business
functions. The shift meant that what came to be known as IT (after
earlier being "the computer room" and then "data processing") stopped
being managed by the CFO and came to have its own senior executive.
Except for a short spell in the very early 1990s, I never lacked work.
As an independent contractor, I had a lot of control over my time, and I
got a lot of the hardest assignments, which I liked. There was one firm
where I spent most of a five year interval in the late 1990s, and near
the end of it, the CIO got dinged in an audit because she gave me too
much of the important stuff, and there was no "succession plan" if I got
run over by a truck or inherited a few million and stopped working.

It all changed quickly in the early 2000s. First, nearly every medium
to large firm that was going to acquire and customize an enterprise
package had already done so, and focus shifted to customer interfaces
rather than core enterprise functions. Second, Sarbanes-Oxley and other
onerous regulations came into place that mandated segregation-of-duties
and extremely cumbersome change management procedures; the change
management bull**** made it harder and harder to get things done.
Third, there was a huge wave of mergers and acquisitions, and a lot of
big companies that had needed a lot of IT work simply disappeared.
Finally, there was the surge of "off-shoring" that moved quite a lot of
IT work to India and elsewhere, and also the notoriously corrupt H-1B
visa debacle that put intense downward pressure on contract rates and
salaries. In the heyday, I could bill $75 and occasionally $85 an hour
for truly independent work, and I would get offers from contract brokers
for $65 an hour; by 2006, the brokers were offering in the $35-$40
range, sometimes less. I had to give up contracting in 2005 and take a
so-called "permanent" position, of which I have now had three.

Today, I work for a huge financial services company, heavily regulated,
and the work is tedious and hard to get done because of all the change
management and regulatory compliance hoops. They motivate the proles
with near-constant reminders that failure to comply with all the regs
can result in consequences "up to and including termination" - very
cheerful. I have to take numerous internal training sessions annually
in change management, incident management, anti-money laundering, risk
management, time tracking, "diversity and inclusion" (what bull****),
and more. The work is pure systems management - no more development.
There's really no challenge to it, or very little. It has become just a
paycheck.


Now I better understand your inclination to libertarianism. I've only
had to face that kind of thing when I was a medical editor for six
years, and half the job was making sure we complied with medical,
legal, and regulatory standards. Medical editing pays pretty well
because not many people can do it, in that environment. I found it to
be insufferably tedious but it was a good-paying job when other
editing jobs were on the skids. They always need medical editors.

The regulations in that industry, however, generally make good sense.
What doesn't make sense is the huge negative consequences for making a
mistake. They grind up editors with regularity, because a mistake can
cost the company itself an enormous financial hit. I've witnessed a
proofreader getting fired for misspelling a word in a headline.
Ironically, it's easier to do that than to make a mistake in text.
It's vicious.


I envy your situation where you feel you can retire. I can't - married
late, have a 15 year old son in private school, major expenses far out
onto the horizon (unless he can get a full-ride scholarship to a good
school.) If he can get his university education all or mostly paid by
someone else, I'll sell everything and get the hell out of the People's
Republic of California and go someplace where it's cheaper to live, and
maybe then I can cut back on work or at least not have to worry as much
about chasing the highest salary.


Hang in there. We eventually get old and the kids leave the nest. g
I think I'd be cutting it pretty close if I didn't do any work at all,
but I look forward to just writing articles I want to write, when I
want to write them. It won't be many.


What happened with fishing? I might have misunderstood, but I had the
idea you were going to be off doing it for a week or so.

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