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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
... On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:49:43 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerry wrote: I have trapped hundreds of squirrels using a Hav-a-hart squirrel trap. Traps probably 8X8X24 and has two doors, although I lock the back one closed. I only have one, and it's one of the big ones intended for raccoons. However, it works fine for squirrels, too. This summer: One raccoon, two 'possums, two squirrels, and one cat. g Peanut butter on toast worked the best for me. Dump the trap in a garbage can of water, occupant included, then clean for supper. Aw, I couldn't do that. But I'd shoot 'em or club 'em. Careful. The anti's take particular exception to clubbing even though you can kill an animal with a club just as quickly as with a gun. They're tougher to skin than a rabbit, but I can dress one out and have him quartered in about three or four minutes. How is cleaning the pelvic cavity? That always seems to be the toughest part for me with a rabbit. Hmm. I don't remember any particular problems with that. I dress them before skinning, to keep any glorp off of the flesh. Squirrel skin doesn't peel off as easily as it does with a rabbit. I've read it's because squirrels don't have the layer of fat that rabbits have, nut I never saw a layer of fact under the skin of a rabbit, either. I can skin a rabbit with two hands but I usually make a string noose for squirrelts, and tie it to my dressing board. I have a buddy who used to raise rabbits. For Thanksgiving he would bring over a huge farm raised bunny, and they definitely had some fat on them. I never dropped a wild cottontail that I saw noticeable fat on though. Used to eat quite a lot of mesquite grilled cotton tail back in the late 80s and early 90s when I ran traps. |
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On 9/18/2014 1:40 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/16/2014 1:52 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message m... On 9/16/2014 7:47 AM, Ed Huntress wrote: In NJ, an air gun is treated like any other gun. And no suppressors are allowed. They're treated as our state equivalent of Title II weapons. You are referring to the suppressor(title II), right. And you have to register a BB gun??? To be fair a .25 PCP "BB Gun" can easily drop a deer at 50 yards, and the larger Sam Yang 9mm, has been used for bigger game in Africa. They make them upto .50 cal, and a neighbor of mine has been working on air operated automatic cannon with military applications. (well a couple sections over) Ok, that sounds a bit more realistic. I was thinking "Daisy". You want to talk about pneumatics. Lewis and Clark carried an air rifle on their famous journey of discovery. That was the Girandoni. A seriously advanced piece of metalwork and design at the time. From wiki While the detachable air reservoir was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump to fill those reservoirs. Later, a wagon-mounted pump was provided. The reservoirs themselves, made from hammered sheet iron held together with rivets and sealed by brazing, proved very difficult to manufacture using the techniques of the period and were always in short supply. Pneumatics rifles were used in combat in WWI (although I have not found a definitive source on that). In the late 1800s the USS Vesuvius carried pneumatic cannon with a one mile range, that delivered explosive rounds nearly silently which made for a tremendous psychological affect compared to conventional cannon. There is a nice article on Wikipedia about it. One mile was considered to short, but where it was used it was effective. |
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On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
"Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! |
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m... On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! You got an exceptional gun. I've owned a number of air guns over the years, and 800 FPS even with that piddling light weight copper clad ball is screaming for a Daisy pump gun. I've got two of them, and I don't think either of my Daisy rifles shoot BBs that fast. Now my spring piston gun on the other hand requires heavy weight pellets to shoot right. If I use light alloys they break the sound barrier on about every third shot or so. Sounds like a small bore rifle shot when that happens. |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. -- Ed Huntress |
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On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... |
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"Richard" wrote in message
... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. |
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On 9/18/2014 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. Oil the chamber? Didn't think of that! Might give it a try and see if the speed comes back up some. |
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"Richard" wrote in message
... On 9/18/2014 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. Oil the chamber? Didn't think of that! Might give it a try and see if the speed comes back up some. NO. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. If you do get detonation it can severally damage the release valve. You may need to clean and oil the pump, seal, and wiper. Usually just a couple drops will last for a very very long time. |
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On 9/18/2014 4:43 PM, Richard wrote:
.... was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump ... 1500 strokes!! Well, OK, that's 50 strokes per shot. Oh, my aching arm. I wonder what the pressure was. |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
... "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. Oil the chamber? Didn't think of that! Might give it a try and see if the speed comes back up some. NO. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. If you do get detonation it can severally damage the release valve. You may need to clean and oil the pump, seal, and wiper. Usually just a couple drops will last for a very very long time. Use pellet gun oil. Its designed to not detonate if a little gets into the gas reservoir and/or the chamber. |
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"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:43 PM, Richard wrote: ... was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump ... 1500 strokes!! Well, OK, that's 50 strokes per shot. Oh, my aching arm. I wonder what the pressure was. Lots of modern PCP guns run at pressures upto 3000PSI, but the pneumatic cannons on the USS Vesuvius only ran at about 1000PSI. It would depend on the exact design of the gun and the adjustments of the dump valve and dump valve "hammer". There are guys tuning their PCP rifles today to get nearly the same velocity out of 1800 to 1300 that out of the box guns are getting at 3000. |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
... "Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:43 PM, Richard wrote: ... was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump ... 1500 strokes!! Well, OK, that's 50 strokes per shot. Oh, my aching arm. I wonder what the pressure was. Lots of modern PCP guns run at pressures upto 3000PSI, but the pneumatic cannons on the USS Vesuvius only ran at about 1000PSI. It would depend on the exact design of the gun and the adjustments of the dump valve and dump valve "hammer". There are guys tuning their PCP rifles today to get nearly the same velocity out of 1800 to 1300 that out of the box guns are getting at 3000. A quick check of references indicates that Girandoni rifle may have only been pressurized to about 800 PSI. They also claim it had an effective range of about 150 yards. I think one of those numbers must be off a little or they had a dump valve mechanism more efficient than most modern PCPs. A modern large bore PCP can easily meet the claimed specs and even surpass them, but with a couple hundred years advancement in technology and operating at much higher pressure. |
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"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message
... On 9/18/2014 4:43 PM, Richard wrote: ... was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump ... 1500 strokes!! Well, OK, that's 50 strokes per shot. Oh, my aching arm. I wonder what the pressure was. Here is a nice summary of the gun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbo8arkKXTg |
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On 9/18/2014 6:36 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. Oil the chamber? Didn't think of that! Might give it a try and see if the speed comes back up some. NO. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. If you do get detonation it can severally damage the release valve. You may need to clean and oil the pump, seal, and wiper. Usually just a couple drops will last for a very very long time. Use pellet gun oil. Its designed to not detonate if a little gets into the gas reservoir and/or the chamber. Didn't have any of that. I have some CLP in a pin oiler, so I put (exactly!) 1/3 of a drop on a couple of BBs as they went into the breach. (single shot, of course) When I shot it I saw a puff of "smoke", and the shot didn't register on the chrono. The next two rounds didn't register either(!) But then it started showing numbers again. Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. |
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On 9/18/2014 6:35 PM, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
On 9/18/2014 4:43 PM, Richard wrote: ... was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump ... 1500 strokes!! Well, OK, that's 50 strokes per shot. Oh, my aching arm. Funny. I was just saying the same thing! |
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m... On 9/18/2014 6:36 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. Oil the chamber? Didn't think of that! Might give it a try and see if the speed comes back up some. NO. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. If you do get detonation it can severally damage the release valve. You may need to clean and oil the pump, seal, and wiper. Usually just a couple drops will last for a very very long time. Use pellet gun oil. Its designed to not detonate if a little gets into the gas reservoir and/or the chamber. Didn't have any of that. I have some CLP in a pin oiler, so I put (exactly!) 1/3 of a drop on a couple of BBs as they went into the breach. (single shot, of course) When I shot it I saw a puff of "smoke", and the shot didn't register on the chrono. The next two rounds didn't register either(!) But then it started showing numbers again. Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. It will damage the dump valve. You problem may be a week hammer spring is not dumping the dump valve fast enough, but its more likely that your pump seal is dry and your gun is not pumping efficiently. |
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On 9/18/2014 5:39 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
Friend used to pop them out of trees with a .177 co2 pellet gun by shooting the tree just under their belly. The flying bark took them out. I asssume that he told you this, and that you're not saying you actually saw it happen. d8-) "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. A squirrel hunter I know tried barking them for a while, but decided to just shoot them in the head, it was easier. He was good enough to get 4 squirrels with 5 rounds. He would go home with dinner when he had 4. David |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:47:11 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:34:58 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:11:14 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:34:38 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 9/17/2014 3:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:49:43 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerry wrote: I have trapped hundreds of squirrels using a Hav-a-hart squirrel trap. Traps probably 8X8X24 and has two doors, although I lock the back one closed. I only have one, and it's one of the big ones intended for raccoons. However, it works fine for squirrels, too. This summer: One raccoon, two 'possums, two squirrels, and one cat. g Peanut butter on toast worked the best for me. Dump the trap in a garbage can of water, occupant included, then clean for supper. Aw, I couldn't do that. But I'd shoot 'em or club 'em. Careful. The anti's take particular exception to clubbing even though you can kill an animal with a club just as quickly as with a gun. They're tougher to skin than a rabbit, but I can dress one out and have him quartered in about three or four minutes. How is cleaning the pelvic cavity? That always seems to be the toughest part for me with a rabbit. Hmm. I don't remember any particular problems with that. I dress them before skinning, to keep any glorp off of the flesh. Squirrel skin doesn't peel off as easily as it does with a rabbit. I've read it's because squirrels don't have the layer of fat that rabbits have, nut I never saw a layer of fact under the skin of a rabbit, either. I can skin a rabbit with two hands but I usually make a string noose for squirrelts, and tie it to my dressing board. Skin from feet to head. Here in ET they have hangers for the feet and pull the skin off. I think the idea - almost no meat skins easier. Direction makes a difference. Squirrel hunters here from a young age. Somebody told me that once but I never got the hang of it. I've cased a lot of muskrats, and I tried doing the squirrels the same way. But working the skin over the hind legs just didn't work the same. I just tore the skin. I'll probably not try it again. We have to hunt squirrels with a shotgun in NJ (except for a short mid-winter muzzleloading rifle season). I hate shooting squirrels with a shotgun and I'm not going out in mid-winter with a rifle just to shoot a couple of them. Mom & Dad are gone now but I recall Dad saying Mom shot flying squirrels while gliding down towards the garden. Now *that* might make it worthwhile to shoot squirrels with a shotgun. g She and Dad often went to the arcade to shoot at bottles and such while courting. Moved to N.C. during WWII making Ship Radar and we bought the polo club house when they moved further out of town. Nice place. Moved after the war - and after Dad returned from Europe to the west coast Radar on B-36's. Martin Friend used to pop them out of trees with a .177 co2 pellet gun by shooting the tree just under their belly. The flying bark took them out. Tried that with my .30 winchester with a red squirrel on a beech tree but got too much bark. The squirrel went out about six feet then down to the ground, did an outward spiral gaining about six inches radius each turn till he got past the tree then went thataway at high speed. Sounds like fun, but to feed yourself, try aiming at the animal instead of the tree next time, eh, Gerry? Make it a head shot. There isn't much meat on a Tree Rat. -- Resolve to be thyself: and know, that he who finds himself, loses his misery. -- Matthew Arnold |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:35:35 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:25:12 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:39:07 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:34:58 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:11:14 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:34:38 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 9/17/2014 3:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:49:43 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerry wrote: I have trapped hundreds of squirrels using a Hav-a-hart squirrel trap. Traps probably 8X8X24 and has two doors, although I lock the back one closed. I only have one, and it's one of the big ones intended for raccoons. However, it works fine for squirrels, too. This summer: One raccoon, two 'possums, two squirrels, and one cat. g Peanut butter on toast worked the best for me. Dump the trap in a garbage can of water, occupant included, then clean for supper. Aw, I couldn't do that. But I'd shoot 'em or club 'em. Careful. The anti's take particular exception to clubbing even though you can kill an animal with a club just as quickly as with a gun. They're tougher to skin than a rabbit, but I can dress one out and have him quartered in about three or four minutes. How is cleaning the pelvic cavity? That always seems to be the toughest part for me with a rabbit. Hmm. I don't remember any particular problems with that. I dress them before skinning, to keep any glorp off of the flesh. Squirrel skin doesn't peel off as easily as it does with a rabbit. I've read it's because squirrels don't have the layer of fat that rabbits have, nut I never saw a layer of fact under the skin of a rabbit, either. I can skin a rabbit with two hands but I usually make a string noose for squirrelts, and tie it to my dressing board. Skin from feet to head. Here in ET they have hangers for the feet and pull the skin off. I think the idea - almost no meat skins easier. Direction makes a difference. Squirrel hunters here from a young age. Somebody told me that once but I never got the hang of it. I've cased a lot of muskrats, and I tried doing the squirrels the same way. But working the skin over the hind legs just didn't work the same. I just tore the skin. I'll probably not try it again. We have to hunt squirrels with a shotgun in NJ (except for a short mid-winter muzzleloading rifle season). I hate shooting squirrels with a shotgun and I'm not going out in mid-winter with a rifle just to shoot a couple of them. Mom & Dad are gone now but I recall Dad saying Mom shot flying squirrels while gliding down towards the garden. Now *that* might make it worthwhile to shoot squirrels with a shotgun. g She and Dad often went to the arcade to shoot at bottles and such while courting. Moved to N.C. during WWII making Ship Radar and we bought the polo club house when they moved further out of town. Nice place. Moved after the war - and after Dad returned from Europe to the west coast Radar on B-36's. Martin Friend used to pop them out of trees with a .177 co2 pellet gun by shooting the tree just under their belly. The flying bark took them out. I asssume that he told you this, and that you're not saying you actually saw it happen. d8-) "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. I actually did it once with a 36 cal. muzzle loading rifle. Just like all them old fellows used to.... I think the chances of doing it twice is similar to Robin Hood splitting a competitor's arrow in the target with his next arrow. Yeah. That's one of those things that you should just do once. g Apparently it grew up around Daniel Boone legands. Decades ago, a writer for one of the hunting magazines tried it with a variety of guns, and finally got it to work a couple of times - with a .30/06. It's a messy way to prune trees. Speaking of pruning trees, I did some of that when I was in college. I hunted grouse ("pats") in a Christmas tree stand in northern Michigan. The pat would take off straight between the rows, and then do a sharp turn left or right. I'd snap-shoot at the pat, often managing to shoot the top off of one of the Christmas trees, but rarely hitting the pat. The house I grew up in had a bg spruce tree out front about 100 feet from the house. this tree started growing a spindly leader that Dad wanted to get cut off. We were having lunch with the wood cutting gang when one chap suggested that since Dad was such a good shot, he should shoot it off. First couple attempts were not successfull with the twelve gauge and the originator of the idea told him to use his .303 Savage (open sights). First shot two feet of leader parted company with the tree. I have also seen him take the head off a partridge at fifty paces with that rifle. --- Gerry :-)} London,Canada |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:56:50 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. There was a time that I knew the history of air guns (I had a book on the history of them that I got from the Outdoor Life Book Club, but it was loaned out once and it's gone). One thing I remember is that high-pressure, high-velocity air guns are very vulnerable to dieseling on the lubricating oil. Spring-types are particularly vulnerable, but other types will do it as well. A little lubricating oil, dieseling in the gun, can double velocity. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:36:29 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: "Bob La Londe" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. Oil the chamber? Didn't think of that! Might give it a try and see if the speed comes back up some. NO. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. If you do get detonation it can severally damage the release valve. You may need to clean and oil the pump, seal, and wiper. Usually just a couple drops will last for a very very long time. Use pellet gun oil. Its designed to not detonate if a little gets into the gas reservoir and/or the chamber. I should have read more carefully. I see that you've covered the subject. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:39:29 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:39:07 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:34:58 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:11:14 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:34:38 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 9/17/2014 3:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:49:43 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerry wrote: I have trapped hundreds of squirrels using a Hav-a-hart squirrel trap. Traps probably 8X8X24 and has two doors, although I lock the back one closed. I only have one, and it's one of the big ones intended for raccoons. However, it works fine for squirrels, too. This summer: One raccoon, two 'possums, two squirrels, and one cat. g Peanut butter on toast worked the best for me. Dump the trap in a garbage can of water, occupant included, then clean for supper. Aw, I couldn't do that. But I'd shoot 'em or club 'em. Careful. The anti's take particular exception to clubbing even though you can kill an animal with a club just as quickly as with a gun. They're tougher to skin than a rabbit, but I can dress one out and have him quartered in about three or four minutes. How is cleaning the pelvic cavity? That always seems to be the toughest part for me with a rabbit. Hmm. I don't remember any particular problems with that. I dress them before skinning, to keep any glorp off of the flesh. Squirrel skin doesn't peel off as easily as it does with a rabbit. I've read it's because squirrels don't have the layer of fat that rabbits have, nut I never saw a layer of fact under the skin of a rabbit, either. I can skin a rabbit with two hands but I usually make a string noose for squirrelts, and tie it to my dressing board. Skin from feet to head. Here in ET they have hangers for the feet and pull the skin off. I think the idea - almost no meat skins easier. Direction makes a difference. Squirrel hunters here from a young age. Somebody told me that once but I never got the hang of it. I've cased a lot of muskrats, and I tried doing the squirrels the same way. But working the skin over the hind legs just didn't work the same. I just tore the skin. I'll probably not try it again. We have to hunt squirrels with a shotgun in NJ (except for a short mid-winter muzzleloading rifle season). I hate shooting squirrels with a shotgun and I'm not going out in mid-winter with a rifle just to shoot a couple of them. Mom & Dad are gone now but I recall Dad saying Mom shot flying squirrels while gliding down towards the garden. Now *that* might make it worthwhile to shoot squirrels with a shotgun. g She and Dad often went to the arcade to shoot at bottles and such while courting. Moved to N.C. during WWII making Ship Radar and we bought the polo club house when they moved further out of town. Nice place. Moved after the war - and after Dad returned from Europe to the west coast Radar on B-36's. Martin Friend used to pop them out of trees with a .177 co2 pellet gun by shooting the tree just under their belly. The flying bark took them out. I asssume that he told you this, and that you're not saying you actually saw it happen. d8-) "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. I actually saw him do it with a CO2 handgun. I'm not sure it was a .177, or .22. He was pretty adept at it. was powerful enough that today he would need a permit for it here in Canada - which means the muzzle velocity was higher than 500 ft/second and more than 4.2 lbs muzzle Energy.. Kinda think it was a crosman, not sure. Looked a lot like a Benjamin (wood stock, longish pistol - not like a Glock. It was a multi-shot - may have been a revolver??? Can't remember the details - it was back in about '66. He shot rats with it, as well as the squirrels - and the occaisional skunk or raccoon.Powerfull enough to go through a 1 inch fence-board like butter.And it would go through the fender of a '51 chevy from 50 feet or so. (used to shoot out at the gravel pit - and there were always a few wrecks around) I guess we all get lucky once in a while. Apparently you really have to explode some wood to kill the squirrel. But if you hit it just right... -- Ed Huntress |
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On 9/18/2014 8:20 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
(Snipped to demonstrate the marvels of advanced technology!) Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. It will damage the dump valve. You problem may be a week hammer spring is not dumping the dump valve fast enough, but its more likely that your pump seal is dry and your gun is not pumping efficiently. 657 feet per second from a Daisy pump is not weak! |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:35:00 -0400, Ed Huntress
wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:39:29 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:39:07 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:34:58 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:11:14 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:34:38 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 9/17/2014 3:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:49:43 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerry wrote: I have trapped hundreds of squirrels using a Hav-a-hart squirrel trap. Traps probably 8X8X24 and has two doors, although I lock the back one closed. I only have one, and it's one of the big ones intended for raccoons. However, it works fine for squirrels, too. This summer: One raccoon, two 'possums, two squirrels, and one cat. g Peanut butter on toast worked the best for me. Dump the trap in a garbage can of water, occupant included, then clean for supper. Aw, I couldn't do that. But I'd shoot 'em or club 'em. Careful. The anti's take particular exception to clubbing even though you can kill an animal with a club just as quickly as with a gun. They're tougher to skin than a rabbit, but I can dress one out and have him quartered in about three or four minutes. How is cleaning the pelvic cavity? That always seems to be the toughest part for me with a rabbit. Hmm. I don't remember any particular problems with that. I dress them before skinning, to keep any glorp off of the flesh. Squirrel skin doesn't peel off as easily as it does with a rabbit. I've read it's because squirrels don't have the layer of fat that rabbits have, nut I never saw a layer of fact under the skin of a rabbit, either. I can skin a rabbit with two hands but I usually make a string noose for squirrelts, and tie it to my dressing board. Skin from feet to head. Here in ET they have hangers for the feet and pull the skin off. I think the idea - almost no meat skins easier. Direction makes a difference. Squirrel hunters here from a young age. Somebody told me that once but I never got the hang of it. I've cased a lot of muskrats, and I tried doing the squirrels the same way. But working the skin over the hind legs just didn't work the same. I just tore the skin. I'll probably not try it again. We have to hunt squirrels with a shotgun in NJ (except for a short mid-winter muzzleloading rifle season). I hate shooting squirrels with a shotgun and I'm not going out in mid-winter with a rifle just to shoot a couple of them. Mom & Dad are gone now but I recall Dad saying Mom shot flying squirrels while gliding down towards the garden. Now *that* might make it worthwhile to shoot squirrels with a shotgun. g She and Dad often went to the arcade to shoot at bottles and such while courting. Moved to N.C. during WWII making Ship Radar and we bought the polo club house when they moved further out of town. Nice place. Moved after the war - and after Dad returned from Europe to the west coast Radar on B-36's. Martin Friend used to pop them out of trees with a .177 co2 pellet gun by shooting the tree just under their belly. The flying bark took them out. I asssume that he told you this, and that you're not saying you actually saw it happen. d8-) "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. I actually saw him do it with a CO2 handgun. I'm not sure it was a .177, or .22. He was pretty adept at it. was powerful enough that today he would need a permit for it here in Canada - which means the muzzle velocity was higher than 500 ft/second and more than 4.2 lbs muzzle Energy.. Kinda think it was a crosman, not sure. Looked a lot like a Benjamin (wood stock, longish pistol - not like a Glock. It was a multi-shot - may have been a revolver??? Can't remember the details - it was back in about '66. He shot rats with it, as well as the squirrels - and the occaisional skunk or raccoon.Powerfull enough to go through a 1 inch fence-board like butter.And it would go through the fender of a '51 chevy from 50 feet or so. (used to shoot out at the gravel pit - and there were always a few wrecks around) I guess we all get lucky once in a while. Apparently you really have to explode some wood to kill the squirrel. But if you hit it just right... Was in a pine tree. Likely wouldn't have worked in a beech?? |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:48:31 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:35:00 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:39:29 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:39:07 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:34:58 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 23:11:14 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 21:34:38 -0500, Martin Eastburn wrote: On 9/17/2014 3:50 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:49:43 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:56:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerry wrote: I have trapped hundreds of squirrels using a Hav-a-hart squirrel trap. Traps probably 8X8X24 and has two doors, although I lock the back one closed. I only have one, and it's one of the big ones intended for raccoons. However, it works fine for squirrels, too. This summer: One raccoon, two 'possums, two squirrels, and one cat. g Peanut butter on toast worked the best for me. Dump the trap in a garbage can of water, occupant included, then clean for supper. Aw, I couldn't do that. But I'd shoot 'em or club 'em. Careful. The anti's take particular exception to clubbing even though you can kill an animal with a club just as quickly as with a gun. They're tougher to skin than a rabbit, but I can dress one out and have him quartered in about three or four minutes. How is cleaning the pelvic cavity? That always seems to be the toughest part for me with a rabbit. Hmm. I don't remember any particular problems with that. I dress them before skinning, to keep any glorp off of the flesh. Squirrel skin doesn't peel off as easily as it does with a rabbit. I've read it's because squirrels don't have the layer of fat that rabbits have, nut I never saw a layer of fact under the skin of a rabbit, either. I can skin a rabbit with two hands but I usually make a string noose for squirrelts, and tie it to my dressing board. Skin from feet to head. Here in ET they have hangers for the feet and pull the skin off. I think the idea - almost no meat skins easier. Direction makes a difference. Squirrel hunters here from a young age. Somebody told me that once but I never got the hang of it. I've cased a lot of muskrats, and I tried doing the squirrels the same way. But working the skin over the hind legs just didn't work the same. I just tore the skin. I'll probably not try it again. We have to hunt squirrels with a shotgun in NJ (except for a short mid-winter muzzleloading rifle season). I hate shooting squirrels with a shotgun and I'm not going out in mid-winter with a rifle just to shoot a couple of them. Mom & Dad are gone now but I recall Dad saying Mom shot flying squirrels while gliding down towards the garden. Now *that* might make it worthwhile to shoot squirrels with a shotgun. g She and Dad often went to the arcade to shoot at bottles and such while courting. Moved to N.C. during WWII making Ship Radar and we bought the polo club house when they moved further out of town. Nice place. Moved after the war - and after Dad returned from Europe to the west coast Radar on B-36's. Martin Friend used to pop them out of trees with a .177 co2 pellet gun by shooting the tree just under their belly. The flying bark took them out. I asssume that he told you this, and that you're not saying you actually saw it happen. d8-) "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. I actually saw him do it with a CO2 handgun. I'm not sure it was a .177, or .22. He was pretty adept at it. was powerful enough that today he would need a permit for it here in Canada - which means the muzzle velocity was higher than 500 ft/second and more than 4.2 lbs muzzle Energy.. Kinda think it was a crosman, not sure. Looked a lot like a Benjamin (wood stock, longish pistol - not like a Glock. It was a multi-shot - may have been a revolver??? Can't remember the details - it was back in about '66. He shot rats with it, as well as the squirrels - and the occaisional skunk or raccoon.Powerfull enough to go through a 1 inch fence-board like butter.And it would go through the fender of a '51 chevy from 50 feet or so. (used to shoot out at the gravel pit - and there were always a few wrecks around) I guess we all get lucky once in a while. Apparently you really have to explode some wood to kill the squirrel. But if you hit it just right... Was in a pine tree. Likely wouldn't have worked in a beech?? Ya' got me. That's over my head. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:34:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:53:20 -0500, "Terry Coombs" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:50:22 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:56:35 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: I had an agricultural tragedy this past weekend. I have a little Red Haven Semi-dwarf peach tree that I've been nursing along for a few years, and it just produced its first modest peach crop: 26 beautiful and delicious little peaches. I was getting ready to check them for ripeness on Saturday when I saw that my 26 peaches had been reduced to 2. There were four or five fat squirrels running around my yard with peaches in their mouths. The damned horses in the back lot got all my grapes from the back vine. Then I found some on the side vine and the damned birds got 99% of those before me. I'm about to go nuclear here. Count your blessings, at least you don't have deer troulbe I have A LOT of venison recipies I don't hunt (yet), but I love nice, gamy venison. Yum! Tried some raindeer from a restaurant and it tasted like cheap hamburger. Just horrible. Only _then_ did they tell me it was farm-raised, the bastids. Never again! Purina Deer Chow my ASS!@ My deer stand is all set up , with rotating chair . The corn has been spread , the camera is mounted on a tree nearby and it's on and snappin' pics . The straw bales are set up now , and I've been practicing with one of my bows (35 lb recurve , will move up to the 47 pounder in a few days) . By the time the bow season opens in 10 days I should be back in form to slaughter a poor little innocent deer . I hope the first one is that doe that's been eating my garden and fruit trees . Poetic justice IMO . Go for it, Snag. I wonder if the fruit sweetens the meat... I think my niece is giving me the 75# compound bow she found in her garage, from a late friend of her dad's. If her dad doesn't show up to give her away in a few weeks, I'll have that honor myself. Anyway, when the SHTF, I'll be out joining the hunt purty quickly. Let me know what the bow actually is when you get it. I have a tiny little bit of knowledge about archery...just saying Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child, miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke |
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:06:34 -0500, Richard
wrote: On 9/18/2014 5:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 4:41 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:50:49 -0500, wrote: On 9/18/2014 2:38 PM, Ed Huntress wrote: "Barking" squirrels is an old legend. It can be done -- with a high-powered rifle, but not with a .22 or an air gun. Most air gunners go for head shots on tree rats. Sure. Those of us who hunt them with .22s like to do that, too. I'm not going to Pennsylvania just to shoot squirrels with a rifle, though. I've taken two - and justify them as home-invasion defense. Walmart .17 caliber Daisy pump-action. AS an aside, when I first got my chronograph I couldn't wait until I could arrange it with the range, so I went out back and set up a back stop on the barn. From four strokes up to eight, each stroke added 100 fps to a BB. Yep, right at 800 FPS at eight strokes. That was unexpected! Wow. I'll say. I couldn't find the original data. I guess I tossed it once the real work started. Waiting for my bride to get home, I grabbed the chrono and set up to try it again. Ol' Daisy is a couple of years old now, and has been shot quite a bit. Best I could get today was 622 fps. And the linearity of strokes to velocity wasn't there any more. Starting at five strokes gave 522, 536, 596, and 622. But the 800 fps number was for real - brand new... Not saying it didn't happen. It would have been exceptional though. The fastest multi pump Daisy I could find listed at Pyramid Air is rated at 750 with BBs. I never felt mine shot as fast as they claim, but if you had a little oil in the chamber you might have gotten some dieseling. Usually though if you get dieseling they fly out much faster than 800 and target poorly as they fly through the turbulence around the speed of sound. Oil the chamber? Didn't think of that! Might give it a try and see if the speed comes back up some. And oil the pump seals. Triflow..ie any teflon based lube works well. "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child, miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:16:16 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:34:32 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:53:20 -0500, "Terry Coombs" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:50:22 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:56:35 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: I had an agricultural tragedy this past weekend. I have a little Red Haven Semi-dwarf peach tree that I've been nursing along for a few years, and it just produced its first modest peach crop: 26 beautiful and delicious little peaches. I was getting ready to check them for ripeness on Saturday when I saw that my 26 peaches had been reduced to 2. There were four or five fat squirrels running around my yard with peaches in their mouths. The damned horses in the back lot got all my grapes from the back vine. Then I found some on the side vine and the damned birds got 99% of those before me. I'm about to go nuclear here. Count your blessings, at least you don't have deer troulbe I have A LOT of venison recipies I don't hunt (yet), but I love nice, gamy venison. Yum! Tried some raindeer from a restaurant and it tasted like cheap hamburger. Just horrible. Only _then_ did they tell me it was farm-raised, the bastids. Never again! Purina Deer Chow my ASS!@ My deer stand is all set up , with rotating chair . The corn has been spread , the camera is mounted on a tree nearby and it's on and snappin' pics . The straw bales are set up now , and I've been practicing with one of my bows (35 lb recurve , will move up to the 47 pounder in a few days) . By the time the bow season opens in 10 days I should be back in form to slaughter a poor little innocent deer . I hope the first one is that doe that's been eating my garden and fruit trees . Poetic justice IMO . Go for it, Snag. I wonder if the fruit sweetens the meat... I think my niece is giving me the 75# compound bow she found in her garage, from a late friend of her dad's. If her dad doesn't show up to give her away in a few weeks, I'll have that honor myself. Anyway, when the SHTF, I'll be out joining the hunt purty quickly. Let me know what the bow actually is when you get it. I have a tiny little bit of knowledge about archery...just saying Excellent. _If_ I get it when I stop for her wedding, I'll bring it down with me to your house. Got any extra aluminum or carbon shaft arrows? I'll sure get my workout just practicing with that bow. -- One word frees us of all the weight and pain of life: That word is love. -- Sophocles |
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:08:30 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 10:16:16 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 20:34:32 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:53:20 -0500, "Terry Coombs" wrote: Larry Jaques wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:50:22 -0500, Karl Townsend wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:56:35 -0400, Ed Huntress wrote: I had an agricultural tragedy this past weekend. I have a little Red Haven Semi-dwarf peach tree that I've been nursing along for a few years, and it just produced its first modest peach crop: 26 beautiful and delicious little peaches. I was getting ready to check them for ripeness on Saturday when I saw that my 26 peaches had been reduced to 2. There were four or five fat squirrels running around my yard with peaches in their mouths. The damned horses in the back lot got all my grapes from the back vine. Then I found some on the side vine and the damned birds got 99% of those before me. I'm about to go nuclear here. Count your blessings, at least you don't have deer troulbe I have A LOT of venison recipies I don't hunt (yet), but I love nice, gamy venison. Yum! Tried some raindeer from a restaurant and it tasted like cheap hamburger. Just horrible. Only _then_ did they tell me it was farm-raised, the bastids. Never again! Purina Deer Chow my ASS!@ My deer stand is all set up , with rotating chair . The corn has been spread , the camera is mounted on a tree nearby and it's on and snappin' pics . The straw bales are set up now , and I've been practicing with one of my bows (35 lb recurve , will move up to the 47 pounder in a few days) . By the time the bow season opens in 10 days I should be back in form to slaughter a poor little innocent deer . I hope the first one is that doe that's been eating my garden and fruit trees . Poetic justice IMO . Go for it, Snag. I wonder if the fruit sweetens the meat... I think my niece is giving me the 75# compound bow she found in her garage, from a late friend of her dad's. If her dad doesn't show up to give her away in a few weeks, I'll have that honor myself. Anyway, when the SHTF, I'll be out joining the hunt purty quickly. Let me know what the bow actually is when you get it. I have a tiny little bit of knowledge about archery...just saying Excellent. _If_ I get it when I stop for her wedding, I'll bring it down with me to your house. Got any extra aluminum or carbon shaft arrows? I'll sure get my workout just practicing with that bow. Actually....Im still shooting fiberglass..the last 5 dozen Gordon K2s that I purchased about 25 yrs ago. Aluminum tends to tend and bend when one hits a rock out here in the tules and carbon..MOFOs are unreasonably expensive, But Ill see what I have in that particular cabinet. Might be some aluminums Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child, miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke |
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... On 9/18/2014 8:20 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: (Snipped to demonstrate the marvels of advanced technology!) Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. It will damage the dump valve. You problem may be a week hammer spring is not dumping the dump valve fast enough, but its more likely that your pump seal is dry and your gun is not pumping efficiently. 657 feet per second from a Daisy pump is not weak! Depends on the projectile. If it's a copper plated steel BB that's a bit slow. If it's a 14+ grain pellet its screaming fast. LOL. They claim 750 FPS with a BB, but 700-730 is realistic. That would probably be a fair speed if you are shooting the typical 7+ grain pellet like a Crossman premier. I was referring to the difference between your current speed and your previously posted speed. For comparison my Nitro Piston bone stock shoots 10.5 grain dome pellets around 845 FPS. |
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On 9/21/2014 2:21 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 8:20 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: (Snipped to demonstrate the marvels of advanced technology!) Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. It will damage the dump valve. You problem may be a week hammer spring is not dumping the dump valve fast enough, but its more likely that your pump seal is dry and your gun is not pumping efficiently. 657 feet per second from a Daisy pump is not weak! Depends on the projectile. If it's a copper plated steel BB that's a bit slow. If it's a 14+ grain pellet its screaming fast. LOL. They claim 750 FPS with a BB, but 700-730 is realistic. That would probably be a fair speed if you are shooting the typical 7+ grain pellet like a Crossman premier. I was referring to the difference between your current speed and your previously posted speed. For comparison my Nitro Piston bone stock shoots 10.5 grain dome pellets around 845 FPS. Ok, gotcha. I just saw the mew Daisy "Powerline 880" on the shelves at wallyworld. They say 800 FPS on the box. $44 Mine was $30 new. |
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"Richard" wrote in message
m... On 9/21/2014 2:21 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 8:20 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: (Snipped to demonstrate the marvels of advanced technology!) Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. It will damage the dump valve. You problem may be a week hammer spring is not dumping the dump valve fast enough, but its more likely that your pump seal is dry and your gun is not pumping efficiently. 657 feet per second from a Daisy pump is not weak! Depends on the projectile. If it's a copper plated steel BB that's a bit slow. If it's a 14+ grain pellet its screaming fast. LOL. They claim 750 FPS with a BB, but 700-730 is realistic. That would probably be a fair speed if you are shooting the typical 7+ grain pellet like a Crossman premier. I was referring to the difference between your current speed and your previously posted speed. For comparison my Nitro Piston bone stock shoots 10.5 grain dome pellets around 845 FPS. Ok, gotcha. I just saw the mew Daisy "Powerline 880" on the shelves at wallyworld. They say 800 FPS on the box. $44 Mine was $30 new. I saved money and worked in the grocery store as a kid to buy mine. Don't recall what it cost anymore, but I think that was in 1978. Might have been 1979. I made enough money shooting gophers for the 50¢ bounty to buy my first powder rifle. A Sears (not a Ted Williams) .22 semi auto rimfire old enough not to have a serial number. It made me enough money to buy my next three guns. None of which made me any money. LOL. I would take any promotional numbers from Daisy (or Crosman) with a huge grain of salt. The published numbers on Pyramid Air are 750 for an 880 with BBs. I didn't see any Chronied shot strings from them. Personally owning one that was built before they turned them into all plastic toys I think even that is overly optimistic. I've gotten back into air gunning this last year, and they seem to be accumulating. I've never owned a PCP rifle before either, but I've found modest deals on two of them that should be arriving next week, or rather this week now I guess. Time to see if I can find a smoking deal on a SCUBA tank compressor. Either that or see who sells compressed Nitrogen at the best price, and find a high pressure regulator for it. |
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:43:48 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote: "Richard" wrote in message om... On 9/21/2014 2:21 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 8:20 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: (Snipped to demonstrate the marvels of advanced technology!) Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. It will damage the dump valve. You problem may be a week hammer spring is not dumping the dump valve fast enough, but its more likely that your pump seal is dry and your gun is not pumping efficiently. 657 feet per second from a Daisy pump is not weak! Depends on the projectile. If it's a copper plated steel BB that's a bit slow. If it's a 14+ grain pellet its screaming fast. LOL. They claim 750 FPS with a BB, but 700-730 is realistic. That would probably be a fair speed if you are shooting the typical 7+ grain pellet like a Crossman premier. I was referring to the difference between your current speed and your previously posted speed. For comparison my Nitro Piston bone stock shoots 10.5 grain dome pellets around 845 FPS. Ok, gotcha. I just saw the mew Daisy "Powerline 880" on the shelves at wallyworld. They say 800 FPS on the box. $44 Mine was $30 new. I saved money and worked in the grocery store as a kid to buy mine. Don't recall what it cost anymore, but I think that was in 1978. Might have been 1979. I made enough money shooting gophers for the 50¢ bounty to buy my first powder rifle. A Sears (not a Ted Williams) .22 semi auto rimfire old enough not to have a serial number. It made me enough money to buy my next three guns. None of which made me any money. LOL. I would take any promotional numbers from Daisy (or Crosman) with a huge grain of salt. The published numbers on Pyramid Air are 750 for an 880 with BBs. I didn't see any Chronied shot strings from them. Personally owning one that was built before they turned them into all plastic toys I think even that is overly optimistic. I've gotten back into air gunning this last year, and they seem to be accumulating. I've never owned a PCP rifle before either, but I've found modest deals on two of them that should be arriving next week, or rather this week now I guess. Time to see if I can find a smoking deal on a SCUBA tank compressor. Either that or see who sells compressed Nitrogen at the best price, and find a high pressure regulator for it. I might be able to come up with some regulator/gauges that will do the job for you. I have a number of odd ones among the 30 odd O/A gauges taking up space Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child, miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." PJ O'Rourke |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:43:48 -0700, "Bob La Londe" wrote: "Richard" wrote in message news:H5qdnVJeQ7Xi4oLJnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@earthlink. com... On 9/21/2014 2:21 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: "Richard" wrote in message ... On 9/18/2014 8:20 PM, Bob La Londe wrote: (Snipped to demonstrate the marvels of advanced technology!) Got it up to 657. I think that's as high as the old girl is going to go now. Dieseling is very bad for your gun. It will damage the dump valve. You problem may be a week hammer spring is not dumping the dump valve fast enough, but its more likely that your pump seal is dry and your gun is not pumping efficiently. 657 feet per second from a Daisy pump is not weak! Depends on the projectile. If it's a copper plated steel BB that's a bit slow. If it's a 14+ grain pellet its screaming fast. LOL. They claim 750 FPS with a BB, but 700-730 is realistic. That would probably be a fair speed if you are shooting the typical 7+ grain pellet like a Crossman premier. I was referring to the difference between your current speed and your previously posted speed. For comparison my Nitro Piston bone stock shoots 10.5 grain dome pellets around 845 FPS. Ok, gotcha. I just saw the mew Daisy "Powerline 880" on the shelves at wallyworld. They say 800 FPS on the box. $44 Mine was $30 new. I saved money and worked in the grocery store as a kid to buy mine. Don't recall what it cost anymore, but I think that was in 1978. Might have been 1979. I made enough money shooting gophers for the 50¢ bounty to buy my first powder rifle. A Sears (not a Ted Williams) .22 semi auto rimfire old enough not to have a serial number. It made me enough money to buy my next three guns. None of which made me any money. LOL. I would take any promotional numbers from Daisy (or Crosman) with a huge grain of salt. The published numbers on Pyramid Air are 750 for an 880 with BBs. I didn't see any Chronied shot strings from them. Personally owning one that was built before they turned them into all plastic toys I think even that is overly optimistic. I've gotten back into air gunning this last year, and they seem to be accumulating. I've never owned a PCP rifle before either, but I've found modest deals on two of them that should be arriving next week, or rather this week now I guess. Time to see if I can find a smoking deal on a SCUBA tank compressor. Either that or see who sells compressed Nitrogen at the best price, and find a high pressure regulator for it. I might be able to come up with some regulator/gauges that will do the job for you. I have a number of odd ones among the 30 odd O/A gauges taking up space Gunner I'll keep that in mind if I decide to go with compressed nitrogen for pressurizing. For now I'll just get a massive workout with a hand pump. Might set up locomotive style electric drive since I have some extra servo motors laying around. Only problem I see with that is that hand pumps really require a pause at each end of the stroke to work most efficiently. I don't really want to dedicate a CNC setup to a hand pump. LOL. |
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