wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:


While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?
The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the
replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?


CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.

For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel
and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .
--
Snag

On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:14:40 PM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:

On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"

wrote:





While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?

The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the

replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?





CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.



For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel

and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .

--

Snag

A carburetor is just another device you don't understand and can't service in a timely and efficient manner.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:14:40 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:


While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?
The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the
replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?


CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.

For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel
and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .

I'm an old coot too - so I know what a CARB is (and as a mechanic
worked on hundreds (likely thousands) of them.) but obviously someone
wasn't reading the post very well. Carbs were long gone when the
subject vehicle was produced.

On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:14:40 PM UTC-7, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:

On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"

wrote:





While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?

The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the

replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?





CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.



For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel

and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .

--

Snag

Have you asked Precision Machinist to give you the help you need on carburetors?

wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:14:40 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?
The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the
replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?

CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.
For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel
and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .

I'm an old coot too - so I know what a CARB is (and as a mechanic
worked on hundreds (likely thousands) of them.) but obviously someone
wasn't reading the post very well. Carbs were long gone when the
subject vehicle was produced.


Yep, By 1999 they were out of production use in the US for 9 years on
automobiles.
1990 Olds 307 in the Cutlass Ciera was the last GM production
engine/vehicle to have a carb.

--
Steve W.

On 2014-07-22, Terry Coombs wrote:
wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:


While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?
The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the
replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?


CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.

For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel
and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .

And some were weirder than others. For example, the SU carbs on
the MGA and MGB sports cars. (Weird, but really a nice design -- and no
Lucas electrics to go bad on that part. :-)

However, the SU electric fuel pump was infamous for quitting in
the middle of a trip. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2014-07-22, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:14:40 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:


While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?
The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the
replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?


CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.

For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel
and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .

I'm an old coot too - so I know what a CARB is (and as a mechanic
worked on hundreds (likely thousands) of them.) but obviously someone
wasn't reading the post very well. Carbs were long gone when the
subject vehicle was produced.

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:02:44 PM UTC-7, DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2014-07-22, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:14:40 -0500, "Terry Coombs"

wrote:



wrote:

On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"

wrote:





While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?

The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the

replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?





CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.



For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel

and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .



I'm an old coot too - so I know what a CARB is (and as a mechanic

worked on hundreds (likely thousands) of them.) but obviously someone

wasn't reading the post very well. Carbs were long gone when the

subject vehicle was produced.



Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,

so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for domestic

vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The Mazda

B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that it

had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the belts

which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without

failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo

(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition

system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots of

inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space. :-)



Enjoy,

DoN.



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Wrong, again DoN.

Not all BMW 2002 had carbs:

http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/...feature26.html

"The high-performance model was the tii, which was produced for the 1972-1974 model years. Visually, it was identical to a standard 2002, with the same engine and gearbox, but instead of a Solex carburetor, it was equipped with Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection, which helped increase its horsepower rating to 125 from an even 100 for the standard model.

Specifications

ENGINE

2002: 1,990cc Inline four-cylinder, single overhead-cam with twin rocker shafts, cast-iron block with aluminum cylinder head, 8.3:1 compression ratio, hardened forged-steel crankshaft, five main bearings, forged-steel connecting rods, single dual-barrel Solex 40PDSI carburetor

2002tii: 1,990cc Inline four-cylinder, single overhead-cam with twin rocker shafts, cast-iron block with aluminum cylinder head, 9.0:1 compression ratio, hardened forged-steel crankshaft, five main bearings, forged-steel connecting rods, single, Kugelfischer mechanical fuel injection"

DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2014-07-22, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:14:40 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

wrote:
On 20 Jul 2014 01:02:38 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

While the engine was replaced -- which carb is on the engine?
The one from the previous engine, or the one which was on the
replacement engine when its car was rear-ended?

CARB?? What the heck is a CARB.
For you youngsters out there , a carb is an analog device for mixing fuel
and air in approximately the proper proportions to burn efficiently .

I'm an old coot too - so I know what a CARB is (and as a mechanic
worked on hundreds (likely thousands) of them.) but obviously someone
wasn't reading the post very well. Carbs were long gone when the
subject vehicle was produced.

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


1990 was the last year for a U.S. production automobile with a carb.
Still in production use on some motorcycles and small engines though.


--
Steve W.

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for
domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The
Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that
it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the
belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots
of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.
:-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for
domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The
Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that
it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the
belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots
of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.
:-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.


Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
--
Cheers,

John B.

"John B. Slocomb" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for
domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The
Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know
that
it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the
belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it.
Lots
of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.
:-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.


Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
--
Cheers,

John B.

I built production test stations for the electronic controls added to
cars in the mid 1970's to meet government requirements. The
technologies are considerably older, some invented for aviation,
others for scientific instruments, but weren't economically practical
or reliable enough for typical consumer inattention without
considerable development expense. Antilock brakes first appeared in
1929 and Diesels have used fuel injection since the late 1900's.

-jsw

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for
domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The
Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that
it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the
belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots
of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.
:-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Cheerystler had 'em in '58, if you can believe that! I was still
doing lots of tuneups and smog certs on carbureted engines in '85 when
I got out of the biz. Most new cars in the very late '70s were EFI,
though. I absolutely adore EFI. No more hesitation when you take off
in front of traffic every morning, no more carbon-fouled plugs, better
performance and gas mileage, etc.


--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty."
Attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but Massah Ed, he doan tink it so.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Cheerystler had 'em in '58, if you can believe that!

Lots of WW2 fighter planes had open-loop mechanical fuel injection and
a ground crew to keep it operating. In a car the advantage
of -electronic- fuel injection is that it can be a closed-loop system
which measures the results of combustion with the oxygen sensor and
adjusts the fuel flow accordingly.
-jsw

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Cheerystler had 'em in '58, if you can believe that! I was still
doing lots of tuneups and smog certs on carbureted engines in '85
when
I got out of the biz. Most new cars in the very late '70s were EFI,
though. I absolutely adore EFI. No more hesitation when you take
off
in front of traffic every morning, no more carbon-fouled plugs,
better
performance and gas mileage, etc.


http://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2...uel-injection/
"Customer complaints piled in and Electrojection was phased out in
late 1958, with little more than 50 cars built with the system. To
placate unhappy owners, Chrysler arranged to replace the fuel
injection with twin four-throat carburettors at no charge."

-jsw

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:40:18 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"

wrote:



"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message

...



Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,

so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for

domestic

vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The

Mazda

B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that

it

had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the

belts

which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without

failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo

(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition

system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots

of

inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.

:-)



Enjoy,

DoN.





The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production

controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.





Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with

fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?

--

Cheers,



John B.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injection

Mechanical injection:

"Chevrolet introduced a mechanical fuel injection option, made by General Motors' Rochester Products division, for its 283 V8 engine in 1956 (1957 US model year). This system directed the inducted engine air across a "spoon shaped" plunger that moved in proportion to the air volume. The plunger connected to the fuel metering system that mechanically dispensed fuel to the cylinders via distribution tubes. This system was not a "pulse" or intermittent injection, but rather a constant flow system, metering fuel to all cylinders simultaneously from a central "spider" of injection lines. The fuel meter adjusted the amount of flow according to engine speed and load, and included a fuel reservoir, which was similar to a carburetor's float chamber. With its own high-pressure fuel pump driven by a cable from the distributor to the fuel meter, the system supplied the necessary pressure for injection. This was a "port" injection where the injectors are located in the intake manifold, very near the intake valve."

Electronic injection:

The first commercial electronic fuel injection (EFI) system was Electrojector, developed by the Bendix Corporation and was offered by American Motors Corporation (AMC) in 1957.[12][13] The Rambler Rebel, showcased AMC's new 327 cu in (5.4 L) engine. The Electrojector was an option and rated at 288 bhp (214.8 kW).[14] The EFI produced peak torque 500 rpm lower than the equivalent carburetored engine[10] The Rebel Owners Manual described the design and operation of the new system. (due to cooler, therefore denser, intake air[citation needed]). The cost of the EFI option was US$395 and it was available on 15 June 1957.Electrojector's teething problems meant only pre-production cars were so equipped: thus, very few cars so equipped were ever sold and none were made available to the public. The EFI system in the Rambler ran fine in warm weather, but suffered hard starting in cooler temperatures.

Chrysler offered Electrojector on the 1958 Chrysler 300D, DeSoto Adventurer, Dodge D-500 and Plymouth Fury, arguably the first series-production cars equipped with an EFI system. It was jointly engineered by Chrysler and Bendix. The early electronic components were not equal to the rigors of underhood service, however, and were too slow to keep up with the demands of "on the fly" engine control. Most of the 35 vehicles originally so equipped were field-retrofitted with 4-barrel carburetors. The Electrojector patents were subsequently sold to Bosch.

Bosch developed an electronic fuel injection system, called D-Jetronic (D for Druck, German for "pressure"), which was first used on the VW 1600TL/E in 1967. This was a speed/density system, using engine speed and intake manifold air density to calculate "air mass" flow rate and thus fuel requirements. This system was adopted by VW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Citroën, Saab, and Volvo. Lucas licensed the system for production with Jaguar.

Bosch superseded the D-Jetronic system with the K-Jetronic and L-Jetronic systems for 1974, though some cars (such as the Volvo 164) continued using D-Jetronic for the following several years. In 1970, the Isuzu 117 Coupé was introduced with a Bosch-supplied D-Jetronic fuel injected engine sold only in Japan.

Nissan offered electronic, multi-port fuel injection in 1975 with the Bosch L-Jetronic system used in the Nissan L28E engine and installed in the Nissan Fairlady Z, Nissan Cedric, and the Nissan Gloria. Nissan also installed multi-point fuel injection in the Nissan Y44 V8 engine in the Nissan President. Toyota soon followed with the same technology in 1978 on the 4M-E engine installed in the Toyota Crown, the Toyota Supra, and the Toyota Mark II. In the 1980s, the Isuzu Piazza, and the Mitsubishi Starion added fuel injection as standard equipment, developed separately with both companies history of diesel powered engines. 1981 saw Mazda offer fuel injection in the Mazda Luce with the Mazda FE engine, and in 1983, Subaru offered fuel injection in the Subaru EA81 engine installed in the Subaru Leone. Honda followed in 1984 with their own system, called PGM-FI in the Honda Accord, and the Honda Vigor using the Honda ES3 engine.

The limited production Chevrolet Cosworth Vega was introduced in March 1975 using a Bendix EFI system with pulse-time manifold injection, four injector valves, an electronic control unit (ECU), five independent sensors and two fuel pumps. The EFI system was developed to satisfy stringent emission control requirements and market demands for a technologically advanced responsive vehicle. 5000 hand-built Cosworth Vega engines were produced but only 3,508 cars were sold through 1976.

The Cadillac Seville was introduced in 1975 with an EFI system made by Bendix and modelled very closely on Bosch's D-Jetronic. L-Jetronic first appeared on the 1974 Porsche 914, and uses a mechanical airflow meter (L for Luft, German for "air") that produces a signal that is proportional to "air volume". This approach required additional sensors to measure the atmospheric pressure and temperature, to ultimately calculate "air mass". L-Jetronic was widely adopted on European cars of that period, and a few Japanese models a short time later.

In 1980, Motorola (now Freescale) introduced the first electronic engine control unit, the EEC-III.[21] Its integrated control of engine functions (such as fuel injection and spark timing) is now the standard approach for fuel injection systems. The Motorola technology was installed in Ford North American products.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for
domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The
Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that
it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the
belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots
of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.
:-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Chevy had the Rochester fuel injection system as an option WAY back in
1957, and Chrysler experimented with electronic injection on the 300
and Desoto back in 1958 (Electrojector) which was then sold to Bosch
and became the D Jetronic.. They tried again on the Imperial in the
early '80s, before moving to EFI with a venjenceabout 1984 on the 2.2

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:40:18 +0700, John B. Slocomb
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for
domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The
Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that
it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the
belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots
of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.
:-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.


Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:26:26 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Cheerystler had 'em in '58, if you can believe that!

Lots of WW2 fighter planes had open-loop mechanical fuel injection and
a ground crew to keep it operating. In a car the advantage
of -electronic- fuel injection is that it can be a closed-loop system
which measures the results of combustion with the oxygen sensor and
adjusts the fuel flow accordingly.

I've had 2 Ford vehicles with the fabulous 302cid engines in them. The
first was a '68 Ranch Wagon with a 2bbl carb. The second was the '91
F-150 with EFI. It had roughly 100 equiv. HP over the old carbureted
engine. What an amazing difference! I would truly -hate- going back
to a carbureted veHICKle for daily driving.

--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty."
Attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but Massah Ed, he doan tink it so.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:59:00 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...

Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,
so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for
domestic
vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The
Mazda
B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know that
it
had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the
belts
which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without
failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo
(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition
system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it. Lots
of
inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.
:-)

Enjoy,
DoN.


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Cheerystler had 'em in '58, if you can believe that! I was still
doing lots of tuneups and smog certs on carbureted engines in '85 when
I got out of the biz. Most new cars in the very late '70s were EFI,
though. I absolutely adore EFI. No more hesitation when you take off
in front of traffic every morning, no more carbon-fouled plugs, better
performance and gas mileage, etc.
GM started using EFI in '79. Ford maved to EFI around the mid '80s
(versailles in 1980, LTD and lincoln started in '81) and Chrysler/AMC
in 1983 - so virtually none in the "late '70s".

But I'll agree with you -the driveability of EFI vehicles beat the
polution controlled carbureted engines hands down - and the
reliability of ANY carbureted engine by a significant margin. I
rebuilt, adjusted, and modified way too many carbs in my life as a
mechanic!!!

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:52:26 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Cheerystler had 'em in '58, if you can believe that! I was still
doing lots of tuneups and smog certs on carbureted engines in '85
when
I got out of the biz. Most new cars in the very late '70s were EFI,
though. I absolutely adore EFI. No more hesitation when you take
off
in front of traffic every morning, no more carbon-fouled plugs,
better
performance and gas mileage, etc.


http://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2...uel-injection/
"Customer complaints piled in and Electrojection was phased out in
late 1958, with little more than 50 cars built with the system. To
placate unhappy owners, Chrysler arranged to replace the fuel
injection with twin four-throat carburettors at no charge."

-jsw

Chryslers next attemp on the '80 imperial wasn't much more successful.
I believe it had the same solution.

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:55:04 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:

Bosch developed an electronic fuel injection system, called D-Jetronic (D for Druck, German for "pressure"), which was first used on the VW 1600TL/E in 1967. This was a speed/density system, using engine speed and intake manifold air density to calculate "air mass" flow rate and thus fuel requirements. This system was adopted by VW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Citroën, Saab, and Volvo. Lucas licensed the system for production with Jaguar.

Bosch superseded the D-Jetronic system with the K-Jetronic and L-Jetronic systems for 1974, though some cars (such as the Volvo 164) continued using D-Jetronic for the following several years. In 1970, the Isuzu 117 Coupé was introduced with a Bosch-supplied D-Jetronic fuel injected engine sold only in Japan.



Nissan offered electronic, multi-port fuel injection in 1975 with the Bosch L-Jetronic system used in the Nissan L28E engine and installed in the Nissan Fairlady Z, Nissan Cedric, and the Nissan Gloria. Nissan also installed multi-point fuel injection in the Nissan Y44 V8 engine in the Nissan President. Toyota soon followed with the same technology in 1978 on the 4M-E engine installed in the Toyota Crown, the Toyota Supra, and the Toyota Mark II. In the 1980s, the Isuzu Piazza, and the Mitsubishi Starion added fuel injection as standard equipment, developed separately with both companies history of diesel powered engines.
1981 saw Mazda offer fuel injection in the Mazda Luce with the
Mazda FE engine, and in 1983, Subaru offered fuel injection in the
Subaru EA81 engine installed in the Subaru Leone. Honda followed in
1984 with their own system, called PGM-FI in the Honda Accord, and
the Honda Vigor using the Honda ES3 engine.

That reminds me, there is so goodness-awful little info. like this relative to diesel pickup engines and even brands from Europe and Japan.

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:43:09 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:55:04 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:



Bosch developed an electronic fuel injection system, called D-Jetronic (D for Druck, German for "pressure"), which was first used on the VW 1600TL/E in 1967. This was a speed/density system, using engine speed and intake manifold air density to calculate "air mass" flow rate and thus fuel requirements. This system was adopted by VW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Citroën, Saab, and Volvo. Lucas licensed the system for production with Jaguar.



Bosch superseded the D-Jetronic system with the K-Jetronic and L-Jetronic systems for 1974, though some cars (such as the Volvo 164) continued using D-Jetronic for the following several years. In 1970, the Isuzu 117 Coupé was introduced with a Bosch-supplied D-Jetronic fuel injected engine sold only in Japan.







Nissan offered electronic, multi-port fuel injection in 1975 with the Bosch L-Jetronic system used in the Nissan L28E engine and installed in the Nissan Fairlady Z, Nissan Cedric, and the Nissan Gloria. Nissan also installed multi-point fuel injection in the Nissan Y44 V8 engine in the Nissan President. Toyota soon followed with the same technology in 1978 on the 4M-E engine installed in the Toyota Crown, the Toyota Supra, and the Toyota Mark II. In the 1980s, the Isuzu Piazza, and the Mitsubishi Starion added fuel injection as standard equipment, developed separately with both companies history of diesel powered engines.

1981 saw Mazda offer fuel injection in the Mazda Luce with the

Mazda FE engine, and in 1983, Subaru offered fuel injection in the

Subaru EA81 engine installed in the Subaru Leone. Honda followed in

1984 with their own system, called PGM-FI in the Honda Accord, and

the Honda Vigor using the Honda ES3 engine.



That reminds me, there is so goodness-awful little info. like this relative to diesel pickup engines and even brands from Europe and Japan.

At one point I was very good with Bosch Fuel Injection. I was all self-taught. This is is the book I learned most from:

http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-Fuel-Inj.../dp/0837603005

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:52:26 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:
...

Chryslers next attemp on the '80 imperial wasn't much more
successful.
I believe it had the same solution.

We built a test chamber for Chryslers Lean-Burn Engine controllers
that included a smoke detector to shut it down if the poorly specified
electrolytic capacitors in them flamed.

Chrysler = Kreisler.

-jsw

wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:55:04 AM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:

That reminds me, there is so goodness-awful little info. like this
relative to diesel pickup engines and even brands from Europe and
Japan.

===========
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:46:26 PM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:52:26 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"

wrote:

Chryslers next attemp on the '80 imperial wasn't much more

successful.

I believe it had the same solution.

We built a test chamber for Chryslers Lean-Burn Engine controllers

that included a smoke detector to shut it down if the poorly specified

electrolytic capacitors in them flamed.

Chrysler = Kreisler

EU companies tried severely "euro-izing" Chrysler but I don't think that ever made it any better.

Now I haven't heard much from short haul vehicles made by the Koreans (like Kia and Hyundai)

wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir

The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific
procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.
One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the
finicky adjustments needed.

--
Steve W.

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:22:37 AM UTC-7, Steve W. wrote:
wrote:



The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production

controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.



Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with

fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?

And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir



The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific

procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.

One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the

finicky adjustments needed.



--

Steve W.


They were often replaced because mechanics didn't know how to service them and didn't want to learn how to service them.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir

The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific
procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.
One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the
finicky adjustments needed.
The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is
not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you
had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if
the road was shaded with trees

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:18:29 PM UTC-7, Clare wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."

wrote:



wrote:



The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production

controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.



Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with

fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?

And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir



The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific

procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.

One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the

finicky adjustments needed.

The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is

not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you

had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if

the road was shaded with trees

More utter bull**** from Clare. I've lived in Arizona. Clare hasn't. It can get very cold at night in the desert. There are also plenty of trees in Arizona as well. Here is a picture of Flagstaff, Arizona. Anyone besides a blind Clare see any trees?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...AU_Skydome.jpg

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir

The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific
procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.
One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the
finicky adjustments needed.
The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is
not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you
had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if
the road was shaded with trees

I had far better luck with Rottenchesters in LoCal than I did with
Holleys. The old Ford carbs mustered right through most things,
though. That said, I rebuilt a Ford 2bbl on the Ranch Wagon a mile
outside of Mohave, CA when the float stuck. I popped the carb off,
took a few tools in my pockets, found an auto parts store, grabbed a
gallon bucket of carb boiler and a rebuild kit, walked to the last
house on the outskirts of town and asked to use their hose, and
rebuilt it on the side of the road. I had the wagon back on the road
a bit over an hour after I'd had to pull over. That carb dried
quickly in that heat, too. I couldn't have done that with any other
brand of carb, I don't believe.

--
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the
government fears the people, there is liberty."
Attributed to Thomas Jefferson, but Massah Ed, he doan tink it so.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:52:24 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir

The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific
procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.
One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the
finicky adjustments needed.
The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is
not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you
had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if
the road was shaded with trees

I had far better luck with Rottenchesters in LoCal than I did with
Holleys

We are not talking about rochester carburetors - we are talking about
Rochester Fuel Injection, as used on the '57 Corvette and BelAir 283.

That said, Holley carbs always (or at least OFTEN) had issues with
leaks between the metering block and the throttle body, often due to
warped metering blocks - worse in hot climates but common enough up
here in Ontario,

. The old Ford carbs mustered right through most things,
though. That said, I rebuilt a Ford 2bbl on the Ranch Wagon a mile
outside of Mohave, CA when the float stuck. I popped the carb off,
took a few tools in my pockets, found an auto parts store, grabbed a
gallon bucket of carb boiler and a rebuild kit, walked to the last
house on the outskirts of town and asked to use their hose, and
rebuilt it on the side of the road. I had the wagon back on the road
a bit over an hour after I'd had to pull over. That carb dried
quickly in that heat, too. I couldn't have done that with any other
brand of carb, I don't believe.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 23:17:48 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:52:24 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."
wrote:

wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production
controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with
fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?
And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir

The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific
procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.
One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the
finicky adjustments needed.
The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is
not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you
had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if
the road was shaded with trees

I had far better luck with Rottenchesters in LoCal than I did with
Holleys

We are not talking about rochester carburetors - we are talking about
Rochester Fuel Injection, as used on the '57 Corvette and BelAir 283.

My bad.


That said, Holley carbs always (or at least OFTEN) had issues with
leaks between the metering block and the throttle body, often due to
warped metering blocks - worse in hot climates but common enough up
here in Ontario,

Right. And if it wasn't a leak, it was a plugged orifice. There was
no way to properly boil out a Holley metering block. I bought a
special air blower with a rubber tip to make sure all the carb dip was
blown out of the tiny orifices in Holleys, and even then, it was an
iffy rebuild. I hate Holleys for that.

--
Aim for success, not perfection. Never give up your right
to be wrong, because then you will lose the ability to
learn new things and move forward with your life.
-- Dr. David M. Burns

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:54:03 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:22:37 AM UTC-7, Steve W. wrote:

wrote:

The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production

controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.

Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with

fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?

And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir

The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific

procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.

One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the


finicky adjustments needed.
Steve W.

They were often replaced because mechanics didn't know how
to service them and didn't want to learn how to service them.

You almost have to wonder how much dirt the (Better Business Bureau) has on some of these places that are too lazy to finish contracts/services.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:43:53 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:54:03 PM UTC-4, jon_banquer wrote:

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:22:37 AM UTC-7, Steve W. wrote:



wrote:



The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production



controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.



Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with



fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?



And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir



The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific



procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.



One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the





finicky adjustments needed.

Steve W.



They were often replaced because mechanics didn't know how

to service them and didn't want to learn how to service them.



You almost have to wonder how much dirt the (Better Business Bureau) has on some of these places that are too lazy to finish contracts/services.

If you want to do something right you often have no choice other than to do it yourself.

On Friday, July 25, 2014 6:08:15 AM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 23:17:48 -0400, wrote:



On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:52:24 -0700, Larry Jaques

wrote:



On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:



On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."

wrote:



wrote:



The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production

controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.



Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with

fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?

And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir



The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific

procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.

One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the

finicky adjustments needed.

The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is

not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you

had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if

the road was shaded with trees



I had far better luck with Rottenchesters in LoCal than I did with

Holleys



We are not talking about rochester carburetors - we are talking about

Rochester Fuel Injection, as used on the '57 Corvette and BelAir 283.



My bad.





That said, Holley carbs always (or at least OFTEN) had issues with

leaks between the metering block and the throttle body, often due to

warped metering blocks - worse in hot climates but common enough up

here in Ontario,



Right. And if it wasn't a leak, it was a plugged orifice. There was

no way to properly boil out a Holley metering block. I bought a

special air blower with a rubber tip to make sure all the carb dip was

blown out of the tiny orifices in Holleys, and even then, it was an

iffy rebuild. I hate Holleys for that.



--

Aim for success, not perfection. Never give up your right

to be wrong, because then you will lose the ability to

learn new things and move forward with your life.

-- Dr. David M. Burns


Larry Jackass hates Holly Carburetors because he's a moron with no clues.

There is a reason they make after market metering blocks for Holly carburetors. Larry Jackass like to brag that he went to UTI. They don't cover a lot at very important stuff at UTI. You are expected to learn on your own after they teach you the very basics.

Over and over Larry Jackass shows us why he's such a failure in life. It's because he, like most Mark Wieber clique of idiot members, can't think for himself and learn on his own. I have had very good results with Holly carburetors in the past. These are the metering blocks I used:

http://blp.com/cart/index.php?main_p...x&cPath=65_107

On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:39:35 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"John B. Slocomb" wrote in message

news
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 07:05:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"

wrote:



"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message

...



Guilty as charged. I haven't worked on engines much for years,

so I don't know when the switchover happened -- especially for

domestic

vehicles. The BMW 2002 had a carb. My Mazda GLCs had a carb. The

Mazda

B2600 I think had fuel injection, but I'm not sure. I do know

that

it

had a real timing chain (like my MGAs had) instead of one of the

belts

which fail in some cars at awkward times -- or even slip without

failing, doing nasty things to the timing. :-) The Mazda Navajo

(actually a Ford Explorer) has fuel injection and a weird ignition

system. I'm not sure what my Nissan Cube has, but I like it.

Lots

of

inside space and headroom, without taking too much outside space.

:-)



Enjoy,

DoN.





The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production

controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.





Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with

fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?

--

Cheers,



John B.



I built production test stations for the electronic controls added to

cars in the mid 1970's to meet government requirements. The

technologies are considerably older, some invented for aviation,

others for scientific instruments, but weren't economically practical


or reliable enough for typical consumer inattention without

considerable development expense. Antilock brakes first appeared in

1929 and Diesels have used fuel injection since the late 1900's.

Sometimes I wonder how many abandoned commercial properties there are in and around Detroit.

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
...

On Friday, July 25, 2014 6:08:15 AM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 23:17:48 -0400, wrote:



On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:52:24 -0700, Larry Jaques

wrote:



On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:



On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."

wrote:



wrote:



The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production

controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.



Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with

fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?

And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir



The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific

procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.

One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the

finicky adjustments needed.

The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is

not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you

had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if

the road was shaded with trees



I had far better luck with Rottenchesters in LoCal than I did with

Holleys



We are not talking about rochester carburetors - we are talking about

Rochester Fuel Injection, as used on the '57 Corvette and BelAir 283.



My bad.





That said, Holley carbs always (or at least OFTEN) had issues with

leaks between the metering block and the throttle body, often due to

warped metering blocks - worse in hot climates but common enough up

here in Ontario,



Right. And if it wasn't a leak, it was a plugged orifice. There was

no way to properly boil out a Holley metering block. I bought a

special air blower with a rubber tip to make sure all the carb dip was

blown out of the tiny orifices in Holleys, and even then, it was an

iffy rebuild. I hate Holleys for that.



--

Aim for success, not perfection. Never give up your right

to be wrong, because then you will lose the ability to

learn new things and move forward with your life.

-- Dr. David M. Burns


Larry Jackass hates Holly Carburetors because he's a moron with no clues.

There is a reason they make after market metering blocks for Holly
carburetors. Larry Jackass like to brag that he went to UTI. They don't
cover a lot at very important stuff at UTI. You are expected to learn on
your own after they teach you the very basics.

Over and over Larry Jackass shows us why he's such a failure in life. It's
because he, like most Mark Wieber clique of idiot members, can't think for
himself and learn on his own. I have had very good results with Holly
carburetors in the past. These are the metering blocks I used:

http://blp.com/cart/index.php?main_p...x&cPath=65_107

================================================== ============

Was that for the flathead that's sitting in your IMSA Barcalounger?

Hey, why aren't you watching the TUDOR championship at the Brickyard right
now? It's on Fox Sports 1, with live streaming on IMSA.com.

You could go "vroom, vroom" while you motor your Barcalounger back and
forth...

--
Ed Huntress

On Friday, July 25, 2014 2:51:00 PM UTC-7, Ed Huntress wrote:
"jon_banquer" wrote in message

...



On Friday, July 25, 2014 6:08:15 AM UTC-7, Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 23:17:48 -0400, wrote:







On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:52:24 -0700, Larry Jaques



wrote:







On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:







On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:22:37 -0400, "Steve W."



wrote:







wrote:







The first American fuel injection I saw was a pre-production



controller for the 1976 Seville in a GM lab.







Wasn't the first American made production automobile available with



fuel injection the 1957 Chevy Corvette?



And the 1957 Fuelie BelAir







The Rochester unit works pretty well but it takes a very specific



procedure to adjust it. Then you hope it stays adjusted for a while.



One of the reasons why many were replaced with carbs was due to the



finicky adjustments needed.



The rochester was great for places like arizona where the weather is



not changeable and there are not too many trees. Here in Ontario you



had to re-tune them with every (hourly) change in the weather, or if



the road was shaded with trees







I had far better luck with Rottenchesters in LoCal than I did with



Holleys







We are not talking about rochester carburetors - we are talking about



Rochester Fuel Injection, as used on the '57 Corvette and BelAir 283.







My bad.











That said, Holley carbs always (or at least OFTEN) had issues with



leaks between the metering block and the throttle body, often due to



warped metering blocks - worse in hot climates but common enough up



here in Ontario,







Right. And if it wasn't a leak, it was a plugged orifice. There was



no way to properly boil out a Holley metering block. I bought a



special air blower with a rubber tip to make sure all the carb dip was



blown out of the tiny orifices in Holleys, and even then, it was an



iffy rebuild. I hate Holleys for that.







--



Aim for success, not perfection. Never give up your right



to be wrong, because then you will lose the ability to



learn new things and move forward with your life.



-- Dr. David M. Burns





Larry Jackass hates Holly Carburetors because he's a moron with no clues.



There is a reason they make after market metering blocks for Holly

carburetors. Larry Jackass like to brag that he went to UTI. They don't

cover a lot at very important stuff at UTI. You are expected to learn on

your own after they teach you the very basics.



Over and over Larry Jackass shows us why he's such a failure in life. It's

because he, like most Mark Wieber clique of idiot members, can't think for

himself and learn on his own. I have had very good results with Holly

carburetors in the past. These are the metering blocks I used:



http://blp.com/cart/index.php?main_p...x&cPath=65_107



================================================== ============



Was that for the flathead that's sitting in your IMSA Barcalounger?



Hey, why aren't you watching the TUDOR championship at the Brickyard right

now? It's on Fox Sports 1, with live streaming on IMSA.com.



You could go "vroom, vroom" while you motor your Barcalounger back and

forth...



--

Ed Huntress

Make sure you get your Bermuda shorts out of mothballs so you can watch it, slow Eddy.

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
...




Over and over Larry Jackass shows us why he's such a failure in life. It's

because he, like most Mark Wieber clique of idiot members, can't think for

himself and learn on his own. I have had very good results with Holly

carburetors in the past. These are the metering blocks I used:



http://blp.com/cart/index.php?main_p...x&cPath=65_107



================================================== ============



Was that for the flathead that's sitting in your IMSA Barcalounger?



Hey, why aren't you watching the TUDOR championship at the Brickyard right

now? It's on Fox Sports 1, with live streaming on IMSA.com.



You could go "vroom, vroom" while you motor your Barcalounger back and

forth...



--

Ed Huntress

Make sure you get your Bermuda shorts out of mothballs so you can watch it,
slow Eddy.

================================================== ==========
[Ed]

I'll leave TV racing to you armchair racers who know everything.

--
Ed Huntress