I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

"RogerN" wrote in message
m...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?


Try a semiauto BB pistol against a balsa airplane set to circle back
at you, to imitate the attack of a rabid fox or raccoon. Bring tape to
patch the holes. You'll see how difficult it is to focus on the sights
rather than the rapidly moving target.

Few things are as fun as what you want to do with a BB gun, I wish I
had time for that.

i

On 2013-01-09, RogerN wrote:

I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN



BB guns do offer some good eye/hand coordination practice. Airsoft
and paintball are a bit pricey for the amount of shooting you will
need to be doing.

the old Marksman bb pistol was pretty good and this one is better

http://www.amazon.com/Daisy-Outdoor-...m_cr_pr_sims_t

This one is pretty good too

http://www.amazon.com/Beeman-Repeate...ef=pd_sbs_sg_3

Keep em oiled and use em regularly.

They are not very powerful. You cant break a beer bottle with one
generally and you might..might punch a dent in an aluminum beer can a
close range..but that makes they pretty good for practice.
Particularly with paper targets

Gunner


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:22:33 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus8503" wrote in message
On 2013-01-09, RogerN wrote:

I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick
Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. ...After they got good
at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start
over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

In Basic they took some of us good shots to the range on a moonless
night to try out something similar. The control was to first empty a
20 round mag at a paper target however we wanted. I punched 17 holes,
Pvt Young to my right at the end of the alphabetical firing line had
23. That ended the experiment.

That must have been embarassing, your shots ending up on Youngs paper.
gd&r

(Did you ever figure out who missed that badly?)

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:22:33 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus8503" wrote in message
On 2013-01-09, RogerN wrote:

I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on
Quick
Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. ...After they got good
at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start
over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

In Basic they took some of us good shots to the range on a moonless
night to try out something similar. The control was to first empty a
20 round mag at a paper target however we wanted. I punched 17
holes,
Pvt Young to my right at the end of the alphabetical firing line had
23. That ended the experiment.

That must have been embarassing, your shots ending up on Youngs
paper.
gd&r

(Did you ever figure out who missed that badly?)

It was too dark to be sure which target was straight ahead, we could
barely see them at all, or each other. That's why they chose a
moonless night. Have you ever been way out in the country in complete
darkness, no city light on the horizon?
jsw

Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote

(Did you ever figure out who missed that badly?)

It was too dark to be sure which target was straight ahead, we could
barely see them at all, or each other. That's why they chose a
moonless night. Have you ever been way out in the country in complete
darkness, no city light on the horizon?
jsw

Our place in the Ozarks is dark like that . The stars are awesome !
Wouldn't want to try to shoot something in that kinda dark .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:09:44 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:22:33 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
wrote:

"Ignoramus8503" wrote in message
On 2013-01-09, RogerN wrote:

I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on
Quick
Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. ...After they got good
at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start
over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

In Basic they took some of us good shots to the range on a moonless
night to try out something similar. The control was to first empty a
20 round mag at a paper target however we wanted. I punched 17
holes,
Pvt Young to my right at the end of the alphabetical firing line had
23. That ended the experiment.

That must have been embarassing, your shots ending up on Youngs
paper.
gd&r

(Did you ever figure out who missed that badly?)

It was too dark to be sure which target was straight ahead, we could
barely see them at all, or each other. That's why they chose a
moonless night. Have you ever been way out in the country in complete
darkness, no city light on the horizon?

Yeah, it's dark as the inside of a bear, it is. I'm pretty far out of
city limits (3.5mi) but a few idiots around here have merc vapor lamps
on all night. Looking east from about 2 blocks east of me, it's
pretty black, but the city lights come over the western hills. You
can see city lights for 'lebenty miles on a dark night in the
wilderness.

--
I started out with nothing and
I still have most of it left!
--anon

Point shooting is a matter of practice and of shedding conventional
paradigms. How quickly and accurately can you point a finger at
something from which you get only a visual or auditory flash? Try
it: you may be surprised.

The trick is then merely to become as proficient at pointing a pistol
as one might be with a finger. It is not necessary to hit an
aspirin-sized target to stop an assailant with a .45 at social-work
range.

Yea, y'all, Foreman is still alive and bumping along into my seventh
decade. Still missing Mary bigtime every day but life lurches on.
Just returned from two weeks in the Florida keys with friend Vicki,
doing some fishing with Karl & Julie and having a very nice time.







On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

Very happy to see you Don!

i

On 2013-01-21, Don Foreman wrote:
Point shooting is a matter of practice and of shedding conventional
paradigms. How quickly and accurately can you point a finger at
something from which you get only a visual or auditory flash? Try
it: you may be surprised.

The trick is then merely to become as proficient at pointing a pistol
as one might be with a finger. It is not necessary to hit an
aspirin-sized target to stop an assailant with a .45 at social-work
range.

Yea, y'all, Foreman is still alive and bumping along into my seventh
decade. Still missing Mary bigtime every day but life lurches on.
Just returned from two weeks in the Florida keys with friend Vicki,
doing some fishing with Karl & Julie and having a very nice time.







On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

"Don Foreman" wrote in message
...
Point shooting is a matter of practice and of shedding conventional
paradigms. How quickly and accurately can you point a finger at
something from which you get only a visual or auditory flash? Try
it: you may be surprised.

The trick is then merely to become as proficient at pointing a pistol
as one might be with a finger. It is not necessary to hit an
aspirin-sized target to stop an assailant with a .45 at social-work
range.

Yea, y'all, Foreman is still alive and bumping along into my seventh
decade. Still missing Mary bigtime every day but life lurches on.
Just returned from two weeks in the Florida keys with friend Vicki,
doing some fishing with Karl & Julie and having a very nice time.







On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used
a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him
learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape
over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB
gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of
ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

Now I'm confused. I recently was chided here, and told that my idea of
"point shooting", and shooting at an assailant with a shotgun just by sound
was impossible, and against the grain of common sense and decency.

Now, I read that the quick point, quick kill shooting is alive and well.
Which one is it?

Steve

PS: I'll still take my 870 into combat against assailants on a dark and
stormy night, either armed with 00 or birdshot, and feel confident of
surviving said attacks, getting the bad guy, and not killing someone else in
another zip code.

Steve

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:22:58 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

Point shooting is a matter of practice and of shedding conventional
paradigms. How quickly and accurately can you point a finger at
something from which you get only a visual or auditory flash? Try
it: you may be surprised.

The trick is then merely to become as proficient at pointing a pistol
as one might be with a finger. It is not necessary to hit an
aspirin-sized target to stop an assailant with a .45 at social-work
range.

Yea, y'all, Foreman is still alive and bumping along into my seventh
decade. Still missing Mary bigtime every day but life lurches on.
Just returned from two weeks in the Florida keys with friend Vicki,
doing some fishing with Karl & Julie and having a very nice time.

Good for you Don!! Enjoy!!!


Gunner








On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN


The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 09:09:01 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Don Foreman" wrote in message
.. .
Point shooting is a matter of practice and of shedding conventional
paradigms. How quickly and accurately can you point a finger at
something from which you get only a visual or auditory flash? Try
it: you may be surprised.

The trick is then merely to become as proficient at pointing a pistol
as one might be with a finger. It is not necessary to hit an
aspirin-sized target to stop an assailant with a .45 at social-work
range.

Yea, y'all, Foreman is still alive and bumping along into my seventh
decade. Still missing Mary bigtime every day but life lurches on.
Just returned from two weeks in the Florida keys with friend Vicki,
doing some fishing with Karl & Julie and having a very nice time.







On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used
a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him
learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape
over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB
gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of
ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

Now I'm confused. I recently was chided here, and told that my idea of
"point shooting", and shooting at an assailant with a shotgun just by sound
was impossible, and against the grain of common sense and decency.

Sound? Yeah..thats against common sense.

Now, I read that the quick point, quick kill shooting is alive and well.
Which one is it?

Quick kill is vision based.


Steve

PS: I'll still take my 870 into combat against assailants on a dark and
stormy night, either armed with 00 or birdshot, and feel confident of
surviving said attacks, getting the bad guy, and not killing someone else in
another zip code.

Steve

Unless they are outside of the range of your shotgun.

Shotguns are excellent combat arms when you are "up close and
personal"

For distance...not so good. And Id say over 35-50 yrds..not as good
as a rifle or good caliber handgun.

Gunner



The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:22:58 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:



Yea, y'all, Foreman is still alive and bumping along into my seventh
decade. Still missing Mary bigtime every day but life lurches on.
Just returned from two weeks in the Florida keys with friend Vicki,
doing some fishing with Karl & Julie and having a very nice time.

If anyone else had told me that life was so good, and they were enjoying the
Keys with a lady friend, I'd be suspicious. But, you're different. Enjoy
your new tack in life. There will never be another Mary, but nonetheless,
there are a lot of really nice good people in the world. Nice to hear you
are rolling once again.

Take care and be safe.

Steve

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

Point 'n shoot was advocated by the legendary Col. Jeff Cooper. It
was advocated for law enforcement for a time but then fell into
disfavor.

Try this: close your eyes, have someone make a noise, try to point
your finger at them. Open your eyes. I'll bet you'll be pointing
right at them. It may not be with X-ring target accuracy, but it'll
be close enough to get the job done at any range where self-defense is
a plausible reason to shoot -- i.e., 30 feet or less.

The reason LE couldn't get it right was, I think, due to inadequate
drill. Developing this skill takes a little practice, maybe 300
rounds worth with a capable coach. After that, it needs to be
maintained. Doesn't take much, maybe 25 rounds a month minimum.

You don't need the sights. It's always best to use sights when
possible, but stress and/or bad light can make it difficult to
accquire a sight picture quickly enough.

I would not recommend use of a BB gun because the ballistics are so
different from those of a firearm. Use at least a .22 if ammo cost
is a big deal for you -- but control of recoil and muzzle flip is
important for accuracy after first round.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:26:53 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:


I've been reading some of the PDF I've downloaded, one was on Quick Kill
training from 1967 armed forces training. Basically they used a BB gun
without sights to teach soldiers to point and shoot a metal disc thrown in
the air, they'd start with a 3-1/2" disk and after the soldier was able to
hit 8 out of 10 times, they'd switch to a 2-1/2" disc. It said they used a
BB gun at first because the soldier could see the BB and it helped him learn
to hit the target. I read where people that practiced a lot could tape over
the center of a washer then shoot through the tape, some could throw up an
aspirin and shoot it with a BB. After they got good at it with the BB gun,
they'd switch to their military rifle, sights taped up, and start over
learning to shoot the larger disc then the smaller disc.

I saw on a fishing show once a guy fishing carried a small 22 rifle. They
showed what he could do with it, the other guy would cast his lure and the
man with the 22 could shoot the lure in the air before it hit the water.

A guy at work was telling me about someone he rode with at times, the guy
kept a BB pistol in his auto and would practice shooting road signs while
driving down the road. He said the guy could hit even the small signs
reliably.

Sounds like the BB gun practice could be useful but I figure you'd have to
practice with your regular firearms too. ... considering the price of ammo
and not wanting to use up too much of my supply...

Anyone here practice shooting using BB, airsoft or paintball guns?

If the Democrats are going to start Civil War II I figure we need to
practice since ammo is getting expensive and there are millions of
Democrats:-) Sorry, just had to throw that in there!

RogerN

Point 'n shoot was advocated by the legendary Col. Jeff Cooper. It
was advocated for law enforcement for a time but then fell into
disfavor.

When, after they found that cops shoot (at) anything that moves? (and
usually miss) sigh


Try this: close your eyes, have someone make a noise, try to point
your finger at them. Open your eyes. I'll bet you'll be pointing
right at them. It may not be with X-ring target accuracy, but it'll
be close enough to get the job done at any range where self-defense is
a plausible reason to shoot -- i.e., 30 feet or less.

The reason LE couldn't get it right was, I think, due to inadequate
drill. Developing this skill takes a little practice, maybe 300
rounds worth with a capable coach. After that, it needs to be
maintained. Doesn't take much, maybe 25 rounds a month minimum.

I certainly need to get out to the range more often.


You don't need the sights. It's always best to use sights when
possible, but stress and/or bad light can make it difficult to
accquire a sight picture quickly enough.

I would not recommend use of a BB gun because the ballistics are so
different from those of a firearm. Use at least a .22 if ammo cost
is a big deal for you -- but control of recoil and muzzle flip is
important for accuracy after first round.

Granted, recoil reaction and muzzle climb are important, but won't
practice either with dry firing or bb guns still teach your muscles
and develop that precious muscle memory, too?

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"Don Foreman" wrote

You don't need the sights. It's always best to use sights when
possible, but stress and/or bad light can make it difficult to
accquire a sight picture quickly enough.

I would not recommend use of a BB gun because the ballistics are so
different from those of a firearm. Use at least a .22 if ammo cost
is a big deal for you -- but control of recoil and muzzle flip is
important for accuracy after first round.



In the SW desert, in October, the tarantulas go looking for a girlfriend.
While you won't see one for a whole year, you will see hundreds in a month
if you go in October-November. When I lived in Vegas, we used to go to
Nelson, and shoot tarantulas.

Our favorite method was to use our pistols at the hip, level with the
pocket. Just a point and shoot. I liked my Ruger Mk I, and with ten shots,
it was fun to rip them off, even if they splattered in the first couple of
shots, and after that, you were just shooting at that dot on the ground
where the tarantula was.

It will definitely convince any naysayer about pointing and shooting and
whether or not it was effective.

It sure was fun.

Steve

On 1/29/2013 7:50 AM, Steve B wrote:
"Don wrote

You don't need the sights. It's always best to use sights when
possible, but stress and/or bad light can make it difficult to
accquire a sight picture quickly enough.

I would not recommend use of a BB gun because the ballistics are so
different from those of a firearm. Use at least a .22 if ammo cost
is a big deal for you -- but control of recoil and muzzle flip is
important for accuracy after first round.



In the SW desert, in October, the tarantulas go looking for a girlfriend.
While you won't see one for a whole year, you will see hundreds in a month
if you go in October-November. When I lived in Vegas, we used to go to
Nelson, and shoot tarantulas.

Our favorite method was to use our pistols at the hip, level with the
pocket. Just a point and shoot. I liked my Ruger Mk I, and with ten shots,
it was fun to rip them off, even if they splattered in the first couple of
shots, and after that, you were just shooting at that dot on the ground
where the tarantula was.

It will definitely convince any naysayer about pointing and shooting and
whether or not it was effective.

It sure was fun.

Steve


Aren't they Federally protected?

Paul

On 2013-01-29, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:26:53 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:47:27 -0600, "RogerN" wrote:

[ ... ]

Try this: close your eyes, have someone make a noise, try to point
your finger at them. Open your eyes. I'll bet you'll be pointing
right at them. It may not be with X-ring target accuracy, but it'll
be close enough to get the job done at any range where self-defense is
a plausible reason to shoot -- i.e., 30 feet or less.

[ ... ]

I would not recommend use of a BB gun because the ballistics are so
different from those of a firearm. Use at least a .22 if ammo cost
is a big deal for you -- but control of recoil and muzzle flip is
important for accuracy after first round.

Granted, recoil reaction and muzzle climb are important, but won't
practice either with dry firing or bb guns still teach your muscles
and develop that precious muscle memory, too?

Dry firing does not give you the feedback as to how close to
target you came. If I'm not using the sights (and outdoors where it is
practical), I will usually shoot with my hand about level with my hip
instead of bothering to lift it to normal shooting position.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Gentlemen,

Can you say paradigm shift?

Yes. Everything that you read was and is absolutely true. To me, point shooting is the best thing since sliced bread....and I mean that. It truly is revolutionary, Once you learn quick kill, you'll never go back to iron sights (unless you're deer hunting or a shooting hundreds of yards out.

I teach point shooting informally here in Georgia. I was taught by James Rutland, who is the only "authorized" point shooting instructor....in the world.



Shoot me an email if you have questions, concerns or commments.

Have an amazing day.

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On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 11:03:58 -0700 (PDT), Respectatl
wrote:

Gentlemen,

Can you say paradigm shift?

Yes. Everything that you read was and is absolutely true. To me, point shooting is the best thing since sliced bread....and I mean that. It truly is revolutionary, Once you learn quick kill, you'll never go back to iron sights (unless you're deer hunting or a shooting hundreds of yards out.

I teach point shooting informally here in Georgia. I was taught by James Rutland, who is the only "authorized" point shooting instructor....in the world.



Shoot me an email if you have questions, concerns or commments.

Have an amazing day.
This message seems to be an odd one. I don't know if it is a scam or
if it was posted by an idiot. But the message says it comes from the
Atlanta Public School system and I somehow doubt anybody from any
public school system would be using a school computer to post about
point shooting and quick kill. If this guy is for real then his
judgement is seriously flawed. Most likely it was posted by a juvenile
trying to get a rise out of someone. So most likely the poster IS an
idiot.
Eric

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 2:32:48 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 11:03:58 -0700 (PDT), Respectatl
wrote:

Gentlemen,

Can you say paradigm shift?

Yes. Everything that you read was and is absolutely true. To me, point shooting is the best thing since sliced bread....and I mean that. It truly is revolutionary, Once you learn quick kill, you'll never go back to iron sights (unless you're deer hunting or a shooting hundreds of yards out.

I teach point shooting informally here in Georgia. I was taught by James Rutland, who is the only "authorized" point shooting instructor....in the world.



Shoot me an email if you have questions, concerns or commments.

Have an amazing day.
This message seems to be an odd one. I don't know if it is a scam or
if it was posted by an idiot. But the message says it comes from the
Atlanta Public School system and I somehow doubt anybody from any
public school system would be using a school computer to post about
point shooting and quick kill. If this guy is for real then his
judgement is seriously flawed. Most likely it was posted by a juvenile
trying to get a rise out of someone. So most likely the poster IS an
idiot.
Eric

If you look at Rutland's web site, you'll see that it's a revival of "snap shooting," which I was taught 57 years ago, when I shot skeet every weekend..

He probably has refined it, but the basic idea is the same. There's probably a revived enthusiasm for it with so many people out there who are just itching to shoot somebody. d8-)

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