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FedEx Smartpost USPS Insurance Fraud Scam Buyer Beware Alert

FedEx Smartpost is so slow. It usually takes 8 to 9 days to go cross
USA. 3-4 days to just go to same or an adjoining state. They use USPS
parcel post so there is a high percentage that your package will be
lost.

They lead you to believe that there is $100 insurance on your
shipments. However when a package is lost or not delivered, they will
tell you there responsibility is only to pick up the package. The USPS
system is responsible after the initial pick up, and of course, there
is no insurance with the USPS Parcel Post system. They dispose of your
package at the local post office the package is presumed lost, or
probably employees split it all up

A too slow method to ship with deceptive insurance practices. False
implied practices, such as making you think you are getting $100
insurance; they even ask for the phone number of the receiver. This is
a business buyer beware situation. Don’t get involved unless you also
insure your packages by a 3rd party and have over a week to get it to
them.

I would like to report them to the BBB, FTC, US Government, but they
are both untouchable. Anyone have any suggestions?

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On 2/13/2012 9:15 PM, jaunb wrote:
FedEx Smartpost USPS Insurance Fraud Scam Buyer Beware Alert

FedEx Smartpost is so slow. It usually takes 8 to 9 days to go cross
USA. 3-4 days to just go to same or an adjoining state. They use USPS
parcel post so there is a high percentage that your package will be
lost.

They lead you to believe that there is $100 insurance on your
shipments. However when a package is lost or not delivered, they will
tell you there responsibility is only to pick up the package. The USPS
system is responsible after the initial pick up, and of course, there
is no insurance with the USPS Parcel Post system. They dispose of your
package at the local post office the package is presumed lost, or
probably employees split it all up

A too slow method to ship with deceptive insurance practices. False
implied practices, such as making you think you are getting $100
insurance; they even ask for the phone number of the receiver. This is
a business buyer beware situation. Don’t get involved unless you also
insure your packages by a 3rd party and have over a week to get it to
them.

I would like to report them to the BBB, FTC, US Government, but they
are both untouchable. Anyone have any suggestions?
Don't use it?

--
:3 )~

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:15:28 -0800 (PST), jaunb
wrote:

FedEx Smartpost USPS Insurance Fraud Scam Buyer Beware Alert

FedEx Smartpost is so slow. It usually takes 8 to 9 days to go cross
USA. 3-4 days to just go to same or an adjoining state. They use USPS
parcel post so there is a high percentage that your package will be
lost.

I wondered about that. The last shipment I got was from L.A. and it
took nine days to make it 850 miles north into Oregon. Part of the
trip was the flight to Kent, WA, about 400 miles north of me. Go
figure.


They lead you to believe that there is $100 insurance on your
shipments. However when a package is lost or not delivered, they will
tell you there responsibility is only to pick up the package. The USPS
system is responsible after the initial pick up, and of course, there
is no insurance with the USPS Parcel Post system. They dispose of your
package at the local post office the package is presumed lost, or
probably employees split it all up

A too slow method to ship with deceptive insurance practices. False
implied practices, such as making you think you are getting $100
insurance; they even ask for the phone number of the receiver. This is
a business buyer beware situation. Don’t get involved unless you also
insure your packages by a 3rd party and have over a week to get it to
them.

I would like to report them to the BBB, FTC, US Government, but they
are both untouchable. Anyone have any suggestions?

Ship only UPS or DHL? I for one am reporting the delayed shipments to
both parties in the hopes that the sheer number of emails to FedEX and
USPS will prompt some kind of improvement. I haven't lost anything
yet.


--
Fear not those who argue but those who dodge.
-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach

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On 2/13/2012 8:15 PM, jaunb wrote:
FedEx Smartpost USPS Insurance Fraud Scam Buyer Beware Alert
....

I would like to report them to the BBB, FTC, US Government, but they
are both untouchable. Anyone have any suggestions?

images.fedex.com/us/smartpostguide/FXSP_TermsConditions.pdf

Looks like they spelled it all out so no case against them.

I agree it appears to be of very little potential benefit to the user
and definitely a hassle if something goes wrong.

I have always had good luck w/ USPS, particularly w/ the newer
single-pricing boxes and w/ tracking/insurance thru USPS never had a
loss that wasn't covered altho I can only recall one time ever needing it.

Tracking is available if one takes advantage of it; would think if FedEx
were really serious about trying to promote the above they would realize
they need to deal w/ the issue. I'd expect this won't last long as
currently configured.

--

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"jaunb" wrote in message
...
FedEx Smartpost USPS Insurance Fraud Scam Buyer Beware Alert

FedEx Smartpost is so slow. It usually takes 8 to 9 days to go cross
USA. 3-4 days to just go to same or an adjoining state. They use USPS
parcel post so there is a high percentage that your package will be
lost.

They lead you to believe that there is $100 insurance on your
shipments. However when a package is lost or not delivered, they will
tell you there responsibility is only to pick up the package. The USPS
system is responsible after the initial pick up, and of course, there
is no insurance with the USPS Parcel Post system. They dispose of your
package at the local post office the package is presumed lost, or
probably employees split it all up

A too slow method to ship with deceptive insurance practices. False
implied practices, such as making you think you are getting $100
insurance; they even ask for the phone number of the receiver. This is
a business buyer beware situation. Don’t get involved unless you also
insure your packages by a 3rd party and have over a week to get it to
them.

I would like to report them to the BBB, FTC, US Government, but they
are both untouchable. Anyone have any suggestions?
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Report it to the postmaster at the post office.

It should be considered mail fraud.if they are claiming the package shipped
by USPS has insurance when it has no insurance.


Robert

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On 2/14/2012 6:16 AM, Robert wrote:
....

Report it to the postmaster at the post office.

It should be considered mail fraud.if they are claiming the package
shipped by USPS has insurance when it has no insurance.
....

They aren't--posted the link to the T&C above.

It's clear even though the "service" they're hawking is a lousy product
they covered their butts on their liability to only the time they handle
the package prior to them handing it over to the USPS.

--

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In article ,
Larry Jaques wrote:

I wondered about that. The last shipment I got was from L.A. and it
took nine days to make it 850 miles north into Oregon. Part of the
trip was the flight to Kent, WA, about 400 miles north of me. Go
figure.

Smartpost (misnamed) was bought up wholesale by fedex, who evidently
haven't figured out that the turkey tarnishes their reputation, as they
leave it running on it's craptastic model, as opposed to bringing it up
to the usual FedEx standard. Don't blame the USPS - if you want to ship
an insured package USPS, take it to the Post Office and do that, or have
them come pick it up. As with any hub and spoke, they ship it to their
hubs, regardless of it being past where you are. Mind you, the only
place I deal with that seems to use it normally is Amazon free shipping,
and 5-6 days of the delay there appears to be Amazon sitting on your
package (they claim it's shipped, but no tracking information is
available) because they want you to pay extra for faster shipping.
Amazon did refund the package they failed to deliver here.

In any case, the solution is to not use them - vote with your $.

--
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Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.

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Larry Jaques wrote:



I wondered about that. The last shipment I got was from L.A. and it
took nine days to make it 850 miles north into Oregon. Part of the
trip was the flight to Kent, WA, about 400 miles north of me. Go
figure.
On the other hand, FedEx ground is fairly cheap, and FedEx Home Delivery
is only a few cents higher than USPS Priority mail. And, usually several
days faster, trackable, and insurance is cheap. I use it for a lot
of my shipping to home addresses. They won't accept Home Delivery to a
business address.

I have never had a problem with FedEx - zero damage, zero lost
packages, etc. Domestic USPS is about the same, but I've had
all sorts of packages disappear on international postal shipments.
And, USPS won't insure full value on packages to many countries.

Jon

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"Jon Elson" wrote in message
...


FedEx Home Delivery is only a few cents higher than USPS Priority mail.
And, usually several
days faster, trackable, and insurance is cheap. I use it for a lot
of my shipping to home addresses.

Uhm, over the last five years or so I've sent several thousand packages
using USPS Priority mail and only VERY RARELY does it take over two days to
get all the way from west coast to east.

Fact is, along the I-5 corridor, customers typically recieve their package
along with next days mail as long as we were able to get it to the post
office before the 2:30 pm cut-off....( something which we always strive to
do ) and as you might imagine, we have NUMEROUS emails from customers who
were TOTALLY AMAZED at how quickly their order arrived.....

Screw Fed Ex--last time I called for a pickup ( sometimes customers want us
to ship on *their* account ) the ****ers never even showed up till the day
after the scheduled pickup time.

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"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in message
news:VrCdnVf7kbb23KbSnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@scnresearch. com...

"Jon Elson" wrote in message
...


FedEx Home Delivery is only a few cents higher than USPS Priority mail.
And, usually several
days faster, trackable, and insurance is cheap. I use it for a lot
of my shipping to home addresses.

Uhm, over the last five years or so I've sent several thousand packages
using USPS Priority mail and only VERY RARELY does it take over two days
to get all the way from west coast to east.

Fact is, along the I-5 corridor, customers typically recieve their package
along with next days mail as long as we were able to get it to the post
office before the 2:30 pm cut-off....( something which we always strive to
do ) and as you might imagine, we have NUMEROUS emails from customers who
were TOTALLY AMAZED at how quickly their order arrived.....

Screw Fed Ex--last time I called for a pickup ( sometimes customers want
us to ship on *their* account ) the ****ers never even showed up till the
day after the scheduled pickup time.


I understand that Fed Ex Ground drivers are all independent contractors (but
not the Fed Ex Express drivers). I can not imagine how they maintain control
and quality over that kind of network without the kind of detailed oversight
that might make the goverment think they were employees.

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On Feb 13, 9:15*pm, jaunb wrote:
FedEx Smartpost USPS Insurance Fraud Scam Buyer Beware Alert

FedEx Smartpost is so slow. It usually takes 8 to 9 days to go cross
USA. 3-4 days to just go to same or an adjoining state. They use USPS
parcel post so there is a high percentage that your package will be
lost.

They lead you to believe that there is $100 insurance on your
shipments. However when a package is lost or not delivered, they will
tell you there responsibility is only to pick up the package. The USPS
system is responsible after the initial pick up, and of course, there
is no insurance with the USPS Parcel Post system. They dispose of your
package at the local post office the package is presumed lost, or
probably employees split it all up

A too slow method to ship with deceptive insurance practices. False
implied practices, such as making you think you are getting $100
insurance; they even ask for the phone number of the receiver. This is
a business buyer beware situation. Don’t get involved unless you also
insure your packages by a 3rd party and have over a week to get it to
them.

I would like to report them to the BBB, FTC, US Government, but they
are both untouchable. Anyone have any suggestions?

I don't know what happens in the handoff between Fedex & USPS, but I
can tell you it is highly unlikely that USPS employees are splitting
up your goodies. Mu brother is an electronics technician in a major
USPS sorting facility, and the security is very tight. Occasionally,
someone does get tempted to skim some stuff, but, since there are
security cameras looking at pretty much every square inch of the
building (and those are the cameras you can see, there are,
undoubtedly more cameras that are hidden), the perpetrator gets led
out of the building in handcuffs.

These guys do have a pretty strong union, but even picking up a
magazine from the line and reading it is a fireable offense, and
people do get fired for doing it.

So yeah, it does happen that mail gets pilfered, but not nearly as
often as you might have thought.

If you truly believe that your mail is being screwed with, contact the
postal inspector (you can find them oon USPS.gov). They take this
stuff very seriously, and they do carry guns.

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"anorton" writes:


I understand that Fed Ex Ground drivers are all independent contractors (but
True
not the Fed Ex Express drivers). I can not imagine how they maintain control
True
and quality over that kind of network without the kind of detailed oversight
that might make the goverment think they were employees.

They don't seem to maintain same.....
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Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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rangerssuck writes:


I don't know what happens in the handoff between Fedex & USPS, but I
can tell you it is highly unlikely that USPS employees are splitting
up your goodies. Mu brother is an electronics technician in a major
USPS sorting facility, and the security is very tight. Occasionally,
someone does get tempted to skim some stuff, but, since there are
security cameras looking at pretty much every square inch of the
building (and those are the cameras you can see, there are,
undoubtedly more cameras that are hidden), the perpetrator gets led
out of the building in handcuffs.

USPS has their own federal LEO; the Postal Inspectors.

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:05:26 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

rangerssuck writes:


I don't know what happens in the handoff between Fedex & USPS, but I
can tell you it is highly unlikely that USPS employees are splitting
up your goodies. Mu brother is an electronics technician in a major
USPS sorting facility, and the security is very tight. Occasionally,
someone does get tempted to skim some stuff, but, since there are
security cameras looking at pretty much every square inch of the
building (and those are the cameras you can see, there are,
undoubtedly more cameras that are hidden), the perpetrator gets led
out of the building in handcuffs.

USPS has their own federal LEO; the Postal Inspectors.

Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

There was a TV movie, The Inspectors, based on them in 1998. Lou
Gossett played one. He's had a helluva life: 160 programs (so far) in
his acting career. Good actor!

--
Fear not those who argue but those who dodge.
-- Marie Ebner von Eschenbach

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:58:47 -0800
Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:05:26 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

rangerssuck writes:
snip
USPS has their own federal LEO; the Postal Inspectors.

Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

There was a TV movie, The Inspectors, based on them in 1998. Lou
Gossett played one. He's had a helluva life: 160 programs (so far) in
his acting career. Good actor!

Worked on their two-way radio equipment ~15 years ago. They even wanted
to have a siren and lights put in their car, similar to what a police
detective would have. There was a large maze of passages, one-way
mirror glass set-up in the sorting facility. I heard two miles worth,
think that was stretching it a bit... They could watch anything in the
place with out being seen or detected.

Worked on pretty much all of the Fed's stuff at one time or the other,
but the IRS and Postal Inspectors had the most impressive armament I
ever saw with them.

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email

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Larry Jaques writes:


Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

They have their own entrance to every USPO, with spyholes/mirrors above.

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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On 2/16/2012 1:04 PM, Leon Fisk wrote:
....

Worked on pretty much all of the Fed's stuff at one time or the other,
but the IRS and Postal Inspectors had the most impressive armament I
ever saw with them.

In a shootout I'll be on DOE security's side at Oak Ridge Y-12, etc., ... :)

--

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On Feb 16, 3:41*pm, David Lesher wrote:
Larry Jaques writes:
Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

They have their own entrance to every USPO, with spyholes/mirrors above.

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

As I said, it's not likely that anyone is going to pilfer mail in a
post office more than once. They take it VERY seriously.

Also, FWIW, my brother told me that when they made the announcement of
impending cutbacks at his facility (which employs about 700 people),
the postal cops were there in force.

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:


Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

They have their own entrance to every USPO, with spyholes/mirrors above.

If they have a hiding spot in my PO, it must be mighty cramped g.
http://g.co/maps/cuy3b

Though I think it's bigger than the PO where I used to live.
http://g.co/maps/3ykas

--
Ned Simmons

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:20:12 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:


Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

They have their own entrance to every USPO, with spyholes/mirrors above.

If they have a hiding spot in my PO, it must be mighty cramped g.
http://g.co/maps/cuy3b

Though I think it's bigger than the PO where I used to live.
http://g.co/maps/3ykas

I think this pretty much proves my theory. They're Smurfs. That's why
we don't see them and they don't take up much room.

--
The ultimate result of shielding men from folly
is to fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:11:02 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:20:12 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:


Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

They have their own entrance to every USPO, with spyholes/mirrors above.

If they have a hiding spot in my PO, it must be mighty cramped g.
http://g.co/maps/cuy3b

Though I think it's bigger than the PO where I used to live.
http://g.co/maps/3ykas

I think this pretty much proves my theory. They're Smurfs. That's why
we don't see them and they don't take up much room.

And I thought those little blue fellers were neighbors suffering from
SAD.

--
Ned Simmons

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:06:20 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:11:02 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:20:12 -0500, Ned Simmons
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:41:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

Larry Jaques writes:


Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

They have their own entrance to every USPO, with spyholes/mirrors above.

If they have a hiding spot in my PO, it must be mighty cramped g.
http://g.co/maps/cuy3b

Though I think it's bigger than the PO where I used to live.
http://g.co/maps/3ykas

I think this pretty much proves my theory. They're Smurfs. That's why
we don't see them and they don't take up much room.

And I thought those little blue fellers were neighbors suffering from
SAD.

Newp. They're holding their breaths to keep silent while they watch
the mailboxes for perp outbreaks.

--
The ultimate result of shielding men from folly
is to fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:58:47 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I don't know what happens in the handoff between Fedex & USPS, but I
can tell you it is highly unlikely that USPS employees are splitting
up your goodies. Mu brother is an electronics technician in a major
USPS sorting facility, and the security is very tight. Occasionally,
someone does get tempted to skim some stuff, but, since there are
security cameras looking at pretty much every square inch of the
building (and those are the cameras you can see, there are,
undoubtedly more cameras that are hidden), the perpetrator gets led
out of the building in handcuffs.

USPS has their own federal LEO; the Postal Inspectors.

Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

I knew one for years, he retired about 5 yrs ago.
A largely boring job with a few moments here and there of utter terror.

Gunner

--
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in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

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The tricky part is that everyone knows what you are and
you tend to loose friends since you are constantly eying them
at work and what they do on work time. e.g. pocket anything or
other inspection of mail for goodies... Postal inspectors have eyes.

My father-in-law retired #1 in the union of Dallas - that was something!
He was ever watchful for those who might get him in trouble. He often
carried cash and large banking bonds / certificates as several large
and famous oil men, insurance men, and money men were on his route.

Martin

On 2/19/2012 4:26 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:58:47 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

I don't know what happens in the handoff between Fedex& USPS, but I
can tell you it is highly unlikely that USPS employees are splitting
up your goodies. Mu brother is an electronics technician in a major
USPS sorting facility, and the security is very tight. Occasionally,
someone does get tempted to skim some stuff, but, since there are
security cameras looking at pretty much every square inch of the
building (and those are the cameras you can see, there are,
undoubtedly more cameras that are hidden), the perpetrator gets led
out of the building in handcuffs.

USPS has their own federal LEO; the Postal Inspectors.

Has anyone here ever -seen- one of these mythical USPSPI beasties?

I knew one for years, he retired about 5 yrs ago.
A largely boring job with a few moments here and there of utter terror.

Gunner

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On Monday, February 13, 2012 9:15:28 PM UTC-5, jaunb wrote:
FedEx Smartpost USPS Insurance Fraud Scam Buyer Beware Alert



FedEx Smartpost is so slow. It usually takes 8 to 9 days to go cross

USA. 3-4 days to just go to same or an adjoining state. They use USPS

parcel post so there is a high percentage that your package will be

lost.



They lead you to believe that there is $100 insurance on your

shipments. However when a package is lost or not delivered, they will

tell you there responsibility is only to pick up the package. The USPS

system is responsible after the initial pick up, and of course, there

is no insurance with the USPS Parcel Post system. They dispose of your

package at the local post office the package is presumed lost, or

probably employees split it all up



A too slow method to ship with deceptive insurance practices. False

implied practices, such as making you think you are getting $100

insurance; they even ask for the phone number of the receiver. This is

a business buyer beware situation. Don’t get involved unless you also

insure your packages by a 3rd party and have over a week to get it to

them.



I would like to report them to the BBB, FTC, US Government, but they

are both untouchable. Anyone have any suggestions?

BIG TIME SCAM!!
If Package Damaged they deny ALL Claims cause USPS took possession of it Before Delivered to customer.
ALL CLAIMS DENIED!!

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BIG TIME SCAM!!
If Package Damaged they deny ALL Claims cause USPS took possession of it Before Delivered to customer.
ALL CLAIMS DENIED!!
BIG TIME SCAM!!
If Package Damaged they deny ALL Claims cause USPS took possession of it Before Delivered to customer.
ALL CLAIMS DENIED!!
BIG TIME SCAM!!
If Package Damaged they deny ALL Claims cause USPS took possession of it Before Delivered to customer.
ALL CLAIMS DENIED!!