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Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. Best Regards Tom. -- http://fija.org/ |
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On 11/8/2011 5:55 PM, azotic wrote:
Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. Best Regards Tom. Cheap goods are more expensive! Buy American made goods if you can FIND them, if you can't, demand them. |
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"Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message ... On 11/8/2011 5:55 PM, azotic wrote: Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. Best Regards Tom. Cheap goods are more expensive! Buy American made goods if you can FIND them, if you can't, demand them. Problem is most americans do not understand quality and only look at price. Best Regards Tom. |
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"Howard Beal" wrote in message ... "Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message ... On 11/8/2011 5:55 PM, azotic wrote: Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. Best Regards Tom. Cheap goods are more expensive! Buy American made goods if you can FIND them, if you can't, demand them. Problem is most americans do not understand quality and only look at price. As long as there exists a ready supply of buyers for counterfiet and patent in fringement crap products then there will no lack of suppliers standing in line--toss the buyers into jail--wal mart would be a pretty good place to start |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:55:29 -0800, "azotic"
wrote: Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. I'll give you odds that the money won't be paid to those who lost it by the int'l theft, either. It'll go into the General Fund, later used to fly more congresscritters to Vegas, where they snort their coke from the belly buttons of legal HOs. sigh -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame none but himself. -- Louis L'Amour |
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On Nov 8, 5:55*pm, "azotic" wrote:
[...] Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. Best Regards Tom. --http://fija.org/ Several years ago, I saw a "60 Minutes" - type show about Chinese copies. They showed, for instance a Jeep, complete with logo, which was totally copied by a Chinese factory. They also showed the patent enforcement office. It was two guys in a small office, sharing a single telephone. I don't hold out any hope at all of this working, and yes, a trade war is something we really don't want, nor can we afford at this time. Tarriffs are certainly something that should be implemented in the future, but they'd have to be eased into gently. |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... I'll give you odds that the money won't be paid to those who lost it by the int'l theft, either. It'll go into the General Fund, later used to fly more congresscritters to Vegas, where they snort their coke from the belly buttons of legal HOs. sigh I think you are being way too optimistic there. And I'm not being sarcastic either. Art |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:54:41 -0800, "Howard Beal"
wrote: "Tom Gardner" mars@tacks wrote in message m... On 11/8/2011 5:55 PM, azotic wrote: Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. Best Regards Tom. Cheap goods are more expensive! Buy American made goods if you can FIND them, if you can't, demand them. Problem is most americans do not understand quality and only look at price. Best Regards Tom. Yes, I've noticed the frequent references to Harbour Freight :-) -- John B. |
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What's next? You'll tell me there is no social security lock
box? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... I'll give you odds that the money won't be paid to those who lost it by the int'l theft, either. It'll go into the General Fund, later used to fly more congresscritters to Vegas, where they snort their coke from the belly buttons of legal HOs. sigh -- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare he can blame none but himself. -- Louis L'Amour |
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On 11/8/2011 2:55 PM, azotic wrote:
Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. If now is not a good time to enforce the laws we already have on the books when would be a good time to start? The Chinese know the rules and break them all the time. I don't know why we aren't forcing them to play by the same rules as everyone else, well, actually I do. It's all about the money. But even so. The laws are there and should be enforced if they are on the books. If the Chinese don't want to play fair then you have to make them. Either that or we start breaking the rules just like they do and see if they like that any better. Hawke |
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:16:59 -0800, Hawke
wrote: On 11/8/2011 2:55 PM, azotic wrote: Congressman King introduces legislation to place duties on Chinese merchandise for violations of United States intellectual property rights Washington, D.C.- Congressman Steve King (R-IA) released the following statement after introducing legislation today that punishes the People's Republic of China for its failure to protect the holders of United States intellectual property rights. King's legislation, H.R. 3375, directs the President to impose duties on merchandise from China in an amount equivalent to the estimated annual loss of revenue to holders of United States intellectual property rights as a result of violations of such intellectual property rights in China. Under King's bill, the revenue raised by the imposition of duties on Chinese merchandise will be proportionally distributed to provide compensation to holders of United States intellectual property rights. "The creative genius of Americans, protected by our copyrights, trademarks and patents, is systematically being pirated by the Chinese whose government appears to be complicit," said King. "My bill levies a duty on all Chinese imports in an amount necessary to both pay U.S. property rights holders for their stolen intellectual property and to administer the program. In short, it says to the Chinese: 'Go ahead and steal U.S. intellectual property-we will do what you have refused to do and pay American innovators their due from the duties on Chinese goods.'" http://steveking.house.gov/ Is this realy a good idea at this time when so many americans are out of work and depend on low cost imports just to survive? So what happens if this becomes law, prices will rise on chinese imports and be passed along to consumers IP theft will not be stopped. If now is not a good time to enforce the laws we already have on the books when would be a good time to start? The Chinese know the rules and break them all the time. I don't know why we aren't forcing them to play by the same rules as everyone else, well, actually I do. It's all about the money. But even so. The laws are there and should be enforced if they are on the books. If the Chinese don't want to play fair then you have to make them. Either that or we start breaking the rules just like they do and see if they like that any better. Hawke The problem is in quantifying these things. We hear about all the money lost due to IP theft but in most cases we don't hear how this figure was arrived at. Is it really umpteen-gazillions? One example, that I am familiar with, is computer software. The Business Software Alliance (BSA) used to get a lot of newspaper coverage in Bangkok 20 years ago with their announcements about the millions lost due to copied software in Thailand, based, I suspect, on copied software seized in police raids. At the time I was free lancing some articles on computers to the Bangkok Post and decided to write an article about the BSA. Attempting to determine how these amazing numbers, quoted in the newspapers, were arrived at I first contacted the BSA. I was never able to find a single thing about their estimates. They either refused to discuss it or put me off, "Mr. Jones is out of the office". So, I went to the pirate software guys (some of whom I knew slightly) who told me that people came in and bought say, one copy of Word, one of Wordperfect, one of Magic Pencil. In other words, far more software than they logically could use. And this trait seemed to be almost universal. Guys buying a spread of apps all in the same area of use. In thinking about it at the time and given that you could buy software in Bangkok for 1 dollar a disk at that time, it seemed likely to me that people were buying cheap items just to try them out and that estimates stating "X dollars of illegal software in use" or "Y dollars lost due to IP abuse" couldn't possibly be accurate. Given that I used to do this (I have since seen the light and no longer do these nefarious things) and everyone I knew was doing this it appeared to me that much of the pirated software wasn't being sold to use, it was sold just to see, and if the only source was the high priced legal software most of these sales world not have occurred and these blazing headlines announcing the quadra-zillions lost to industry through piracy just aren't true. Which is not to say that it doesn't exist. It does and at least in the software trade in Asia it is far larger then the legal trade. What I am referring to is the figures being quoted as lost money. Firstly, I doubt that any foreign agency can penetrate the Chinese business community, based as it is to a great extent on doing business with one's "second cousin's wife's grand-son's friend", and secondly because so much of the sales are primarily based on buying a cheap item or nothing. Nearly all of what Harbor Freight sells is not sold to people desiring quality, it is sold to people who desire cheap and if these people were given the choice of buying quality (at US prices) or going without I suspect that many (most?) would go without. On the other hand, the latest report I've read shows that Chinese Imports into the U.S. were 255,454.7 Million dollars in the period Jan 1 - 31 Aug, 2011, while exports to China, in the same period, were 66,181.8 Million so probably the idea of somehow penalizing the Yellow Peril is very palatable. On the other hand, the Chinese guy quotes Cost FOB Shanghi, Insurance & Freight to San Diago = FAS price San Diago Port = X dollars. Then they pass the new anti-Chinese law and the cost becomes: Cost FOB Shanghi, Insurance & Freight to San Diago = FAS price San Diago Port = X dollars PLUS customs charges and processing = a higher cost to the consumers. sort of a hidden tax, one might suggest :-( -- John B. |
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