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Planned parenthood is filled with pro life types? Wow, news flash.

It is not staffed by delusional anti choice religious nuts if that's
what you're getting at. The catholic church with their nazi pedophile
protecting pope isn't staffed by pro choice types either. You can also
draw your own conclusions on which group has violently attacked the
other as well.

Interesting choices of words.

So Roger, which..if any..religious faith do you belong to? Or are you an
athiest?


Life long devout atheist. I have never needed a fairy tale religious
mythology to shield me from the real world.


Ok...so now I think we are getting to the root of the matter.

Could it be that your sureity is such that you have issues with people
devoting their lives to their religion in such a fashion?


Roger sounds like the sort of atheist who not does not believe in
the existence of God, but takes it as a personal affront that God
doesn't exist.

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"Pete C." on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:26:41 -0500
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:24:30 -0500, "Pete C."
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:47:55 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Thanks for the definition. I'd thought a cult was a following, often
religious. Led by a charismatic leader who claims some new revelation.
Had to look it up:
noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to
its rites and ceremonies.

What rites and ceremonies does the SA have?

Plenty, and that definition is not exclusive to rites and ceremonies.

So you don't know, or you assume that it must be so?


2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp.
as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing,
person, ideal, etc.

Which "thing" binds them together thats different from other religious
groups?
Other than Good Works.

I didn't say that the cult definition didn't apply to other religious
groups.

So what binds the Salvation Army together? What is so different
about that "binding" element?


5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites
centering around their sacred symbols.

What is their ideology and sacred symbols? Other than the crucifix and
the $ sign?

The link to their own site that Don provided shows some of their
ideology with respect to marriage outside their cult.

So, they prefer that you not marry outside the organization, and
that makes them a cult? Does the expression "be not yoked with
unbelievers" ring any bells?


6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or
extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society
under the direction of a charismatic leader.

So what part of the organization is false, unorthodox and extremist? Is
this like St Vincent de Paul..which is the Catholic charity?

Dictating that cult members must marry within the cult is certainly
considered extremist by most people, one of the reasons it made the
mainstream news when the issue came up.

Ah, so being different is what makes them a cult in your eyes.


Someone posted accepted definitions of a cult, and I indicated which of
those definitions the SA met.


Yet you say they meet those definitions, but don't clarify in what
manner they do. What do they do that meets the criterion.

If you don't like that they meet nearly
all of the definitions of a cult, that's your problem and doesn't change
the fact that they do indeed meet those accepted definitions.


The problem I have is that from the outside, every organization
can be called a cult, especially by those who have an animus against
it. Ever ask yourself "was [the organization I was in] a 'cult'?"
"been there, done that."


Yes, pretty much every religion meets the definitions of a cult. They
are pretty well synonymous.

I was never in *any* religion / cult, I was born with the insight to see
them for what they are, and the iron will to never be coerced by anyone.
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I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


The Salvation Army may be a cult, but so what. What is more important
is what they do. I do not see that they are especially harmful in any
way , and do help local and foreign people. The local one color codes
all items in the thrift shop. Marks down the older merchandise by
half. And if it is still there after a week or so, ships the older
merchandise to foreign countries.

Dan

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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:24:30 -0500, "Pete C."
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:47:55 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Thanks for the definition. I'd thought a cult was a following, often
religious. Led by a charismatic leader who claims some new revelation.
Had to look it up:
noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to
its rites and ceremonies.

What rites and ceremonies does the SA have?

Plenty, and that definition is not exclusive to rites and ceremonies.

So you don't know, or you assume that it must be so?


2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp.
as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing,
person, ideal, etc.

Which "thing" binds them together thats different from other religious
groups?
Other than Good Works.

I didn't say that the cult definition didn't apply to other religious
groups.

So what binds the Salvation Army together? What is so different
about that "binding" element?


5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites
centering around their sacred symbols.

What is their ideology and sacred symbols? Other than the crucifix and
the $ sign?

The link to their own site that Don provided shows some of their
ideology with respect to marriage outside their cult.

So, they prefer that you not marry outside the organization, and
that makes them a cult? Does the expression "be not yoked with
unbelievers" ring any bells?


6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or
extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society
under the direction of a charismatic leader.

So what part of the organization is false, unorthodox and extremist? Is
this like St Vincent de Paul..which is the Catholic charity?

Dictating that cult members must marry within the cult is certainly
considered extremist by most people, one of the reasons it made the
mainstream news when the issue came up.

Ah, so being different is what makes them a cult in your eyes.

Someone posted accepted definitions of a cult, and I indicated which of
those definitions the SA met.


Yet you say they meet those definitions, but don't clarify in what
manner they do. What do they do that meets the criterion.

If you don't like that they meet nearly
all of the definitions of a cult, that's your problem and doesn't change
the fact that they do indeed meet those accepted definitions.


The problem I have is that from the outside, every organization
can be called a cult, especially by those who have an animus against
it. Ever ask yourself "was [the organization I was in] a 'cult'?"
"been there, done that."


Yes, pretty much every religion meets the definitions of a cult. They
are pretty well synonymous.

I was never in *any* religion / cult, I was born with the insight to see
them for what they are, and the iron will to never be coerced by anyone.


So was josef stalin and Mao.

G

Gunner


"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray;
a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all.
A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all
to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children.
A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station;
an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted."
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On Aug 9, 4:23*pm, "Pete C." wrote:

I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


The Salvation Army may be a cult, but so what. What is more important
is what they do. I do not see that they are especially harmful in any
way , and do help local and foreign people. The local one color codes
all items in the thrift shop. Marks down the older merchandise by
half. And if it is still there after a week or so, ships the older
merchandise to foreign countries.

Dan



Indeed. No matter what PeteC thinks..the big question is...does an
organization/cult etc do good works that are a plus for society..or a
negative?

I dont recall the SA going door to door, pestering anyone, and they have
a very very long track record of good works.

So if they can..can be considered a cult...so what?

Im a cult member myself. I belong to the Cult of the Gun.
John Moses Browning was one of the Founders.
Along with Col. Colt, the Wessons and Smiths...a very long
history..going back to a couple Chinese guys nearly a thousand years
ago. In fact..we may have the Vatican beat for duration.

No voodoo or scary masks. We dont need em.


Gunner


No vodo

"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray;
a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all.
A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all
to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children.
A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station;
an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted."
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Gunner Asch wrote:


On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:09:02 -0500, "Pete C."
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Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


Conscience wrote:


Target, sure, but I still won't shop at Walmart.


I haven't forgiven Target for driving off the Salvation Army at
Christmas. *Shoppers vote
with dollars.


I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most
certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


Would Planned Parenthood meet your definition of a cult?


Nope, not even close. They don't worship anything, they don't wear
militaristic uniforms, they don't have members, they don't require
their
employees to believe in anything, they don't dictate who their
employees
can marry, etc.


Planned parenthood is filled with pro life types? *Wow, news flash.


It is not staffed by delusional anti choice religious nuts if that's
what you're getting at. The catholic church with their nazi pedophile
protecting pope isn't staffed by pro choice types either. You can also
draw your own conclusions on which group has violently attacked the
other as well.


Interesting choices of words.


So Roger, which..if any..religious faith do you belong to? Or are you an
athiest?


Life long devout atheist. I have never needed a fairy tale religious
mythology to shield me from the real world.


Ok...so now I think we are getting to the root of the matter.


Could it be that your sureity is such that you have issues with people
devoting their lives to their religion *in such a fashion?


Nah...it couldnt be...could it? * *You are not a leftwinger are you?
They are the only people that I know that are that bigoted to hate other
people because of their religion...well..Im sure you arent a Muslim..so
that leaves that pack of haters and bigots out.....


Could it be because of their chosen careers..you would call them..as a
direct opposite of your religious beliefs...cultists?


You do know that Atheism is just another unprovable religious belief,
dont you?


Gunner, if you're a Buddhist, and not some hyphenated theist, then you're an
atheist, too. Buddhism is a non-theistic relgion; its premise is that god(s)
are unnecessary. There is no "god" in Buddhism. Atheism means "without
god(s)." It's something you share with Pete -- if you're telling the truth.

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Gunner Asch wrote:


On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:09:02 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


Conscience wrote:


Target, sure, but I still won't shop at Walmart.


I haven't forgiven Target for driving off the Salvation Army at Christmas. *Shoppers vote
with dollars.


I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


Would Planned Parenthood meet your definition of a cult?


Nope, not even close. They don't worship anything, they don't wear
militaristic uniforms, they don't have members, they don't require their
employees to believe in anything, they don't dictate who their employees
can marry, etc.


Planned parenthood is filled with pro life types? *Wow, news flash.


It is not staffed by delusional anti choice religious nuts if that's
what you're getting at. The catholic church with their nazi pedophile
protecting pope isn't staffed by pro choice types either. You can also
draw your own conclusions on which group has violently attacked the
other as well.


Interesting choices of words.


So Roger, which..if any..religious faith do you belong to? Or are you an
athiest?


Life long devout atheist. I have never needed a fairy tale religious
mythology to shield me from the real world.


Ok...so now I think we are getting to the root of the matter.

Could it be that your sureity is such that you have issues with people
devoting their lives to their religion *in such a fashion?

Nah...it couldnt be...could it? * *You are not a leftwinger are you?
They are the only people that I know that are that bigoted to hate other
people because of their religion...well..Im sure you arent a Muslim..so
that leaves that pack of haters and bigots out.....

Could it be because of their chosen careers..you would call them..as a
direct opposite of your religious beliefs...cultists?

You do know that Atheism is just another unprovable religious belief,
dont you?

Gunner


Tell us, Mr. Buddhist, about your god.
I dare you. (somebody please repost this so Gunner sees it).
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So then...Catholics, Lutherns, Rensi Buddists and Jews...etc etc etc are
also cultists then by your definitons?


Skipping the rest of your hot air, I call bull****. Google ""rensi
buddhist"" and get exactly one hit. A post from Gunner Asch on August
4 (just a week ago) in which he says, "Thats why Im Renzi (Rensi)
Buddhist. We are allowed to kill if necessary." That is the only
reference to these two words next to each other in all of Google's
inventory.

If you modify the search to "renzi Buddhist" there are more hits.
Eight out of the first ten are usenet posts from Gunner. The ninth is
a description of a caligraphy exhibit and the tenth is something like
a singles ad from " A person born in Puerto Rico and raise in the
South Bronx, New York. An ordained priest ZPO, Peacemaker
Order(grounded in Soto/Renzi Buddhist practices and Social Action
model), founded by Roshi Bernard Glassman and Roshi Sandra Jishu
Holmes.And a member of Noetic Sciences for many years"

Gunner is truly a legend in his own mind.

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wrote:

On Aug 9, 4:23 pm, "Pete C." wrote:

I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


The Salvation Army may be a cult, but so what. What is more important
is what they do. I do not see that they are especially harmful in any
way , and do help local and foreign people. The local one color codes
all items in the thrift shop. Marks down the older merchandise by
half. And if it is still there after a week or so, ships the older
merchandise to foreign countries.

Dan


Indeed. No matter what PeteC thinks..the big question is...does an
organization/cult etc do good works that are a plus for society..or a
negative?


It rather depends in the manner that they do things in i.e. coercive
proselytizing.


I dont recall the SA going door to door, pestering anyone, and they have
a very very long track record of good works.


Er, you don't recall very well then. The SA is known worldwide for
stationing themselves at doors (of stores) and pestering everyone, which
brings us back to the previous point about one store not allowing their
customers to be so pestered.


So if they can..can be considered a cult...so what?

Im a cult member myself. I belong to the Cult of the Gun.
John Moses Browning was one of the Founders.
Along with Col. Colt, the Wessons and Smiths...a very long
history..going back to a couple Chinese guys nearly a thousand years
ago. In fact..we may have the Vatican beat for duration.


I have one of Mr. Browning's wonderful designs (BAR), a couple of Smith
and Wesson's, one Colt at the moment, but another on the way, etc. I am
however not a cult member, I don't worship guns and my life does not
revolve around guns, I simply use them as the tools they are.
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:07:45 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:


On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:09:02 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


Conscience wrote:


Target, sure, but I still won't shop at Walmart.


I haven't forgiven Target for driving off the Salvation Army
at
Christmas. Shoppers vote
with dollars.


I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most
certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


Would Planned Parenthood meet your definition of a cult?


Nope, not even close. They don't worship anything, they don't wear
militaristic uniforms, they don't have members, they don't require
their
employees to believe in anything, they don't dictate who their
employees
can marry, etc.


Planned parenthood is filled with pro life types? Wow, news flash.


It is not staffed by delusional anti choice religious nuts if that's
what you're getting at. The catholic church with their nazi pedophile
protecting pope isn't staffed by pro choice types either. You can
also
draw your own conclusions on which group has violently attacked the
other as well.


Interesting choices of words.


So Roger, which..if any..religious faith do you belong to? Or are you
an
athiest?


Life long devout atheist. I have never needed a fairy tale religious
mythology to shield me from the real world.


Ok...so now I think we are getting to the root of the matter.


Could it be that your sureity is such that you have issues with people
devoting their lives to their religion in such a fashion?


Nah...it couldnt be...could it? You are not a leftwinger are you?
They are the only people that I know that are that bigoted to hate other
people because of their religion...well..Im sure you arent a Muslim..so
that leaves that pack of haters and bigots out.....


Could it be because of their chosen careers..you would call them..as a
direct opposite of your religious beliefs...cultists?


You do know that Atheism is just another unprovable religious belief,
dont you?


Gunner, if you're a Buddhist, and not some hyphenated theist, then you're
an
atheist, too. Buddhism is a non-theistic relgion; its premise is that
god(s)
are unnecessary. There is no "god" in Buddhism. Atheism means "without
god(s)." It's something you share with Pete -- if you're telling the
truth.

--
Ed Huntress


But Gunner wouldn't know that...


Gunner wouldn't *care* He stopped caring about facts a few years ago. All
he has now is endless b.s.

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Gunner Asch wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:53:57 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 9, 4:23 pm, "Pete C." wrote:

I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.

The Salvation Army may be a cult, but so what. What is more important
is what they do. I do not see that they are especially harmful in any
way , and do help local and foreign people. The local one color codes
all items in the thrift shop. Marks down the older merchandise by
half. And if it is still there after a week or so, ships the older
merchandise to foreign countries.

Dan


Indeed. No matter what PeteC thinks..the big question is...does an
organization/cult etc do good works that are a plus for society..or a
negative?


It rather depends in the manner that they do things in i.e. coercive
proselytizing.


Coercive? You mean people are held against their will and forced
listen?

Or are you saying that they have definate programs..and if you choose
not to follow one...you can leave?

Sounds much like the Boy Scouts, doesnt it?


I dont recall the SA going door to door, pestering anyone, and they have
a very very long track record of good works.


Er, you don't recall very well then. The SA is known worldwide for
stationing themselves at doors (of stores) and pestering everyone, which
brings us back to the previous point about one store not allowing their
customers to be so pestered.


Pestering? Would that be like those people registering unregistered
voters and those who are trying to get a ride for their kids and a
couple carts full of junk cause "their car just died"

Pestering? They wont let you into the store unless you sign on?



So if they can..can be considered a cult...so what?

Im a cult member myself. I belong to the Cult of the Gun.
John Moses Browning was one of the Founders.
Along with Col. Colt, the Wessons and Smiths...a very long
history..going back to a couple Chinese guys nearly a thousand years
ago. In fact..we may have the Vatican beat for duration.


I have one of Mr. Browning's wonderful designs (BAR), a couple of Smith
and Wesson's, one Colt at the moment, but another on the way, etc. I am
however not a cult member, I don't worship guns and my life does not
revolve around guns, I simply use them as the tools they are.


Worship? Who said anything about worshiping?

I was just using your 10 item definition list as a guide to my/our cult.

So you do belong to a cult. Do you feel...spoiled?


Gunner


"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray;
a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all.
A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all
to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children.
A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station;
an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted."
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:53:57 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 9, 4:23*pm, "Pete C." wrote:

I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


The Salvation Army may be a cult, but so what. What is more important
is what they do. I do not see that they are especially harmful in any
way , and do help local and foreign people. The local one color codes
all items in the thrift shop. Marks down the older merchandise by
half. And if it is still there after a week or so, ships the older
merchandise to foreign countries.

Dan



Indeed. No matter what PeteC thinks..the big question is...does an
organization/cult etc do good works that are a plus for society..or a
negative?

I dont recall the SA going door to door, pestering anyone, and they have
a very very long track record of good works.

So if they can..can be considered a cult...so what?

Im a cult member myself. I belong to the Cult of the Gun.
John Moses Browning was one of the Founders.
Along with Col. Colt, the Wessons and Smiths...a very long
history..going back to a couple Chinese guys nearly a thousand years
ago. In fact..we may have the Vatican beat for duration.

No voodoo or scary masks. We dont need em.


From the Academic Sense - "cult" defines the particular worship
pattern of a specific belief system. Thus the Cult of Yahweh as
distinct from the Cult of Baal, the cult of the Roman Catholic Church
vs the Cult of the Presbyterians. Sects are different variations on
the cult, such as the difference between the cult practices of the Zen
Buddhists and Renzai Buddhist - who both agree the Tibetans are a
little bit "different". Well just skip over the Church of Elvis.
Then we have the cults of personality, a term originally coined in
reference to Stalin, but Mao, Hitler, Mussolini, Jim Jones, and Obama
have their own devotees. On a tangent, this is one of the distinctions
between an authoritarian regime and a totalitarian one. In an
authoritarian, you just have to abide by the Dear Leader's rules; In
a totalitarian one, you must not only obey Dear Leader, but love him.

tschus
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:47:55 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:

Thanks for the definition. I'd thought a cult was a following, often
religious. Led by a charismatic leader who claims some new revelation.
Had to look it up:
noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to
its rites and ceremonies.

What rites and ceremonies does the SA have?

Plenty, and that definition is not exclusive to rites and ceremonies.

So you don't know, or you assume that it must be so?


2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp.
as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing,
person, ideal, etc.

Which "thing" binds them together thats different from other religious
groups?
Other than Good Works.

I didn't say that the cult definition didn't apply to other religious
groups.

So what binds the Salvation Army together? What is so different
about that "binding" element?


5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites
centering around their sacred symbols.

What is their ideology and sacred symbols? Other than the crucifix and
the $ sign?

The link to their own site that Don provided shows some of their
ideology with respect to marriage outside their cult.

So, they prefer that you not marry outside the organization, and
that makes them a cult? Does the expression "be not yoked with
unbelievers" ring any bells?


6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or
extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society
under the direction of a charismatic leader.

So what part of the organization is false, unorthodox and extremist? Is
this like St Vincent de Paul..which is the Catholic charity?

Dictating that cult members must marry within the cult is certainly
considered extremist by most people, one of the reasons it made the
mainstream news when the issue came up.

Ah, so being different is what makes them a cult in your eyes.

Someone posted accepted definitions of a cult, and I indicated which of
those definitions the SA met.


Yet you say they meet those definitions, but don't clarify in what
manner they do. What do they do that meets the criterion.

If you don't like that they meet nearly
all of the definitions of a cult, that's your problem and doesn't change
the fact that they do indeed meet those accepted definitions.


The problem I have is that from the outside, every organization
can be called a cult, especially by those who have an animus against
it. Ever ask yourself "was [the organization I was in] a 'cult'?"
"been there, done that."


Yes, pretty much every religion meets the definitions of a cult. They
are pretty well synonymous.

I was never in *any* religion / cult, I was born with the insight to see
them for what they are, and the iron will to never be coerced by anyone.


Good. Think for yourself. And question Authority. Because Noam
Chomsky says so.


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The problem I have is that from the outside, every organization
can be called a cult, especially by those who have an animus against
it. Ever ask yourself "was [the organization I was in] a 'cult'?"
"been there, done that."


Yes, pretty much every religion meets the definitions of a cult. They
are pretty well synonymous.

I was never in *any* religion / cult, I was born with the insight to see
them for what they are, and the iron will to never be coerced by anyone.


So was josef stalin and Mao.


Both of whom (if memory serves) spent some time in Seminarians. As
the commissar tells the priest, "It was you who taught us 'keep the
codex simple and the hierarchy exclusive' - with the one you flush out
the heretic, with the other you crush them."
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On Aug 11, 10:29*am, Gunner Asch wrote:





On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:07:45 -0500, "Pete C."
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Gunner Asch wrote:


On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:09:02 -0500, "Pete C."
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Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


"Pete C." wrote:


Wes wrote:


Conscience wrote:


Target, sure, but I still won't shop at Walmart.


I haven't forgiven Target for driving off the Salvation Army at Christmas. *Shoppers vote
with dollars.


I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


Would Planned Parenthood meet your definition of a cult?


Nope, not even close. They don't worship anything, they don't wear
militaristic uniforms, they don't have members, they don't require their
employees to believe in anything, they don't dictate who their employees
can marry, etc.


Planned parenthood is filled with pro life types? *Wow, news flash.


It is not staffed by delusional anti choice religious nuts if that's
what you're getting at. The catholic church with their nazi pedophile
protecting pope isn't staffed by pro choice types either. You can also
draw your own conclusions on which group has violently attacked the
other as well.


Interesting choices of words.


So Roger, which..if any..religious faith do you belong to? Or are you an
athiest?


Life long devout atheist. I have never needed a fairy tale religious
mythology to shield me from the real world.


Ok...so now I think we are getting to the root of the matter.


Could it be that your sureity is such that you have issues with people
devoting their lives to their religion *in such a fashion?


Nah...it couldnt be...could it? * *You are not a leftwinger are you?
They are the only people that I know that are that bigoted to hate other
people because of their religion...well..Im sure you arent a Muslim..so
that leaves that pack of haters and bigots out.....


Could it be because of their chosen careers..you would call them..as a
direct opposite of your religious beliefs...cultists?


You do know that Atheism is just another unprovable religious belief,
dont you?


Gunner


Tell us, Mr. Buddhist, about your god.
I dare you. (somebody please repost this so Gunner sees it).


And once again, nothing but crickets at rancho del gunner.


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Conscience wrote:

Target, sure, but I still won't shop at Walmart.


I haven't forgiven Target for driving off the Salvation Army at
Christmas. Shoppers vote
with dollars.


I reward companies for not supporting cults, and the SA most certainly
meets all the definitions of a cult.


My father and a friend had recently been commisioned as Second Lieutenants.
They visited a local SA and offered to join but only if they could keep
their rank. Their offer was not accepted...


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The link to their own site that Don provided shows some of their
ideology with respect to marriage outside their cult.


Which was what? That they wanted their management to be part of a
husband and wife team? Sounds like Corporate America.


I was thinking the same thing. That would definitely apply to any executive
position in a major firm, especially one with far-flung branches. But
perhaps a closer analogy is to any major religion that allows
priests/ministers to marry. For example, Episcopalian priests and their
spouses relocate as necessary to serve the church's needs.


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Awwww, horseapples, you two!

"Cult" is merely a sociological term for fitting all or part of a list
of behaviors. It is value neutral -- except for the connotations it has
accreted in non-academic and media use.

Every religion I've ever heard of has some or all of the characteristics
of a "cult." Goes with the territory.

Atheism can't be a religion in the usual Western sense because it
doesn't accept the central thesis of such religions: a god.


There are those who do not believe there is a God, and there are
those who believe there is No God. Or "happy atheists" and "grumpy
atheists".

(Eastern and
other philosopho-religions are their own special cases.)

As far as provability, fuggedaboutit: Theists can't prove there is a god


Some of us will say that trying to "prove" God is like trying to
show a picture of a sound. Different areas of perception.

So, I agree there.

and atheists can't prove there isn't. (that proving a negative thingy)
(Even Dyslexic Agnostics can't "prove" their case(s).

Neither position is subject to empirical or logical proof since what is
to be proved doesn't seem to exhibit any reliable evidence either way.

IMHO, about the only tenable position is: I don't know and probably
can't know and probably wouldn't be able to grasp it if I could know,
being stuck with a finite mind.

Not to say the thread hasn't been fun to read, doncha know.

Now does this muddy the waters any more? :P

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In , on Wed, 11 Aug 2010
08:42:04 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:

So it should be simple for you to provide evidence that there is no
God(s)

Id be happy as a lark to look at it.


As with AGW (and EVERYTHING else), those making the assertion have the
burden of proof. An atheist merely says, "I don't believe God is what
you say It is until you prove it to me.

"Prove It to me," says this lark.


Actually....most militant atheists claim that there is no possiblity of
there being a god(s). Its written in their gospel.

And they flatly refuse to believe in things that give strong evidence to
there being gods, angels and so forth. All "coincidence" or fantasy.

They are so locked into their No God belief system that they cannot keep
an open mind.

Agnostics on the other hand....keep an open mind.

PeteC is a prime example of the militant atheist. Not only does he not
believe..but anyone who does is evil and a member of a dangerous "cult".

Agnostics could care less if one believes or not. Atheists on the other
hand....are completely satisified that anyone who does believe is
mentally ill, retarded, an evil cult member etc etc etc.

So they are as locked into their belief system as any fringe christian.

As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.


Gunner


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a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
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Agnostics could care less if one believes or not. Atheists on the other
hand....are completely satisified that anyone who does believe is
mentally ill, retarded, an evil cult member etc etc etc.


As I've said before, there are 'happy' atheist and 'grumpy' ones.
The"happy" ones don't believe there is a god, and don't care. They
don't care if you do; Some people like NASCAR, some like college
football, some folks go to church. Whatever. Push the button marked
"Religion" and you get "null response"
The grumpy ones, otoh, not only insist that there is No God, but
care mightily if you do. I think it was Orwell who wrote that they
were the sort who were deeply offended that God did not exist. Push
the button marked "Religion" and you get a sermon, a homily and a
choral production.

I've had friends of both sort.
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14:36:55 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:59:33 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
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In , on Wed, 11 Aug 2010
08:42:04 -0700, Gunner Asch,
wrote:

So it should be simple for you to provide evidence that there is no
God(s)

Id be happy as a lark to look at it.


As with AGW (and EVERYTHING else), those making the assertion have the
burden of proof. An atheist merely says, "I don't believe God is what
you say It is until you prove it to me.

"Prove It to me," says this lark.


Actually....most militant atheists claim that there is no possiblity of
there being a god(s).


I'd bet there's a smaller percentage of militant atheists than militant
dogmatists.

Its written in their gospel.


I'd sure like to see that. Can you point me to a link where I can
download it? Does it come in different flavors, such as KJV, etc.?
Which version do you recommend?

And they flatly refuse to believe in things that give strong evidence to
there being gods, angels and so forth. All "coincidence" or fantasy.


Read the Intention Experiment wherein atheists (read scientists) prove
that "good vibes" from strangers are more effective when it comes to
improvement in alcoholics, than prayer from congregation/family
members/friends. Matter of fact there are many such experiments where
"good vibes" equal or outperform prayer. Scientists may not CALL such
things by the same names, but they do investigate the REALITY of of such
coincidence.

They are so locked into their No God belief system that they cannot keep
an open mind.


You have that backwards. Religious folk are the ones with the closed
minds. Atheists (scientists) can explore the possibility that there is
more out there than what they already know and believe. Religious
dogmatists can never even consider anything (metaphysically speaking)
outside their own preconceived boxes. The replies in this thread
demonstrate exactly how open-minded the religiously dependent are.

Agnostics on the other hand....keep an open mind.


They do... unlike believers in any religious dogma that claims to be
"THE WAY." "DO IT THIS WAY, OR GO TO HELL." Is that what you conisider
an open mind?

How about, "There are many paths up the mountain." Does that resonate
at all with the followers of the God of Abraham? (Couched that way to
include the entire family of Judeo/Christian/Muslim beliefs all based on
the same diety... put that way to remind that even those who worship the
same god kill each other every day out of their insistence that their way
is correct while "the others" are "evil."
People with open minds find it sadly comical that all these people who
believe in the same loving God are killing each other in "his" name.

PeteC is a prime example of the militant atheist. Not only does he not
believe..but anyone who does is evil and a member of a dangerous "cult".


How would you classify someone who kills someone else because they
believe it is the will of their god? Jews killing Muslims. Christians
killing Jews. Muslims killing Christians. All because their view of god
is the "correct" one. How's that's NOT dangerous??? blink, blink

Agnostics could [n't] care less if one believes or not. Atheists on the
other hand....are completely satisified that anyone who does believe is
mentally ill, retarded, an evil cult member etc etc etc.


The two are not mutually exclusive.

So they are as locked into their belief system as any fringe christian.


I've already demonstrated that (most) atheists have open minds while
(most) christians are locked into their dogma (often known as "THE Way").
There is no "atheist belief system."

As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.


Repeating it yet one more time doesn't make it any truer than it was
last time. Please provide substantiation of the codification of atheism,
beyond just repeating it.
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PeteC is a prime example of the militant atheist. Not only does he not
believe..but anyone who does is evil and a member of a dangerous "cult".


How would you classify someone who kills someone else because they
believe it is the will of their god? Jews killing Muslims. Christians
killing Jews. Muslims killing Christians. All because their view of god
is the "correct" one. How's that's NOT dangerous??? blink, blink

Agnostics could [n't] care less if one believes or not. Atheists on the
other hand....are completely satisified that anyone who does believe is
mentally ill, retarded, an evil cult member etc etc etc.


The two are not mutually exclusive.

So they are as locked into their belief system as any fringe christian.


I've already demonstrated that (most) atheists have open minds while
(most) christians are locked into their dogma (often known as "THE Way").
There is no "atheist belief system."


You have made the Claim that most atheists have an open mind. Period.
And of course most Religious are locked into their religion. Thats a
given, and not just Christians. There are loads of religions besides
Christians.

As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.


Repeating it yet one more time doesn't make it any truer than it was
last time. Please provide substantiation of the codification of atheism,
beyond just repeating it.


Who ever claimed Atheism is "codefied"?

But its obvious to the outsider.

You seem to verify most of my points, though you attempt to use the fact
that "christians" are locked into their beliefs while attempting to
minimize the fact that so are atheists.

No one ever claimed that the religious are NOT locked into their
bleeves. You on the other hand...make the attempt to avoid admitting
that atheists are also locked (and often as ferverently and militantly
as bleevers) into theirs.

While your post is interesting for the outsider to help understand the
Atheist mindset..your denial is rather pitiful.

Shrug


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14:42:40 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 13:32:17 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:


PeteC is a prime example of the militant atheist. Not only does he not
believe..but anyone who does is evil and a member of a dangerous "cult".


How would you classify someone who kills someone else because they
believe it is the will of their god? Jews killing Muslims. Christians
killing Jews. Muslims killing Christians. All because their view of god
is the "correct" one. How's that's NOT dangerous??? blink, blink

Agnostics could [n't] care less if one believes or not. Atheists on the
other hand....are completely satisified that anyone who does believe is
mentally ill, retarded, an evil cult member etc etc etc.


The two are not mutually exclusive.

So they are as locked into their belief system as any fringe christian.


I've already demonstrated that (most) atheists have open minds while
(most) christians are locked into their dogma (often known as "THE Way").
There is no "atheist belief system."


You have made the Claim that most atheists have an open mind. Period.
And of course most Religious are locked into their religion. Thats a
given, and not just Christians. There are loads of religions besides
Christians.


Um... yes, as I said about 6 paragraphs up. It went like this:

How would you classify someone who kills someone else because they
believe it is the will of their god? Jews killing Muslims. Christians
killing Jews. Muslims killing Christians. All because their view of [the
same] god is the "correct" one. How's that's NOT dangerous??? blink, blink

As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.


Repeating it yet one more time doesn't make it any truer than it was
last time. Please provide substantiation of the codification of atheism,
beyond just repeating it.


Who ever claimed Atheism is "codefied"?


You did. In saying it's a religious belief system. By definition,
religious belief _systems_ are codified. You also stated there's some
kind of "atheist gospel" which would also be a claim that atheism is
codified.

cod·i·fy (kd-f, kd-)
tr.v. cod·i·fied, cod·i·fy·ing, cod·i·fies
1. To reduce to a code: codify laws.
2. To arrange or systematize.

But its obvious to the outsider.


Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.

You seem to verify most of my points, though you attempt to use the fact
that "christians" are locked into their beliefs while attempting to
minimize the fact that so are atheists.

No one ever claimed that the religious are NOT locked into their
bleeves. You on the other hand...make the attempt to avoid admitting
that atheists are also locked (and often as ferverently and militantly
as bleevers) into theirs.


Read The Intention Experiment wherein atheists are truly and earnestly
trying to figure out how "good vibes" sometimes work better than prayer.
Metaphysical matters like that are avoided like the plague by the
religious, yet actively explored by atheists. How is seeking the truth,
no matter how "weird" it turns out to be, "locked into a belief system?"
How many Christians/Jews/Muslims do you suppose would ever earnestly seek
the answer to why prayer is at times less effective than "good vibes?"

Prayer works. Good vibes work. Why? See, once you start hinting at
the fact that good vibes work even without a belief in a god, then you
have to start down the path to what role does god play in answering
prayers? The answer comes back, "apparently nothing." Not something
religious folk want to hear.

While your post is interesting for the outsider to help understand the
Atheist mindset..your denial is rather pitiful.


What denial? That there's some kind of codified religious belief
system for atheism? I've never seen an "atheist gospel," and don't
believe one exists. Since you keep stating that it does, maybe you can
provide a link.

Shrug


Indeed.
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You seem to verify most of my points, though you attempt to use the fact
that "christians" are locked into their beliefs while attempting to
minimize the fact that so are atheists.

No one ever claimed that the religious are NOT locked into their
bleeves. You on the other hand...make the attempt to avoid admitting
that atheists are also locked (and often as ferverently and militantly
as bleevers) into theirs.


It would be pretty funny if people were not bound by their
religious beliefs. Like the non-theists who still want the religious
holidays off from work.

While your post is interesting for the outsider to help understand the
Atheist mindset..your denial is rather pitiful.

Shrug

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You have made the Claim that most atheists have an open mind. Period.
And of course most Religious are locked into their religion. Thats a
given, and not just Christians. There are loads of religions besides
Christians.


Um... yes, as I said about 6 paragraphs up. It went like this:

How would you classify someone who kills someone else because they
believe it is the will of their god? Jews killing Muslims. Christians
killing Jews. Muslims killing Christians. All because their view of [the
same] god is the "correct" one. How's that's NOT dangerous??? blink, blink


So which God did the Soviets and Red Chinese follow, when they murdered
some 175,000,000 of their own people?

Hummmm???

As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.

Repeating it yet one more time doesn't make it any truer than it was
last time. Please provide substantiation of the codification of atheism,
beyond just repeating it.


Who ever claimed Atheism is "codefied"?


You did. In saying it's a religious belief system. By definition,
religious belief _systems_ are codified. You also stated there's some
kind of "atheist gospel" which would also be a claim that atheism is
codified.


It may be YOUR definition, but its hardly a universal one.
Please do try harder. Your buffoonery stands high amongst so many
buffoons.


cod·i·fy (kd-f, kd-)
tr.v. cod·i·fied, cod·i·fy·ing, cod·i·fies
1. To reduce to a code: codify laws.
2. To arrange or systematize.

But its obvious to the outsider.


Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist

Lots more if you would care to ask. Im not sure where you came up with
the "atheist gospel" concept..but its simply as buffoonish as the rest
of your post.

You seem to verify most of my points, though you attempt to use the fact
that "christians" are locked into their beliefs while attempting to
minimize the fact that so are atheists.

No one ever claimed that the religious are NOT locked into their
bleeves. You on the other hand...make the attempt to avoid admitting
that atheists are also locked (and often as ferverently and militantly
as bleevers) into theirs.


Read The Intention Experiment wherein atheists are truly and earnestly
trying to figure out how "good vibes" sometimes work better than prayer.
Metaphysical matters like that are avoided like the plague by the
religious, yet actively explored by atheists. How is seeking the truth,
no matter how "weird" it turns out to be, "locked into a belief system?"
How many Christians/Jews/Muslims do you suppose would ever earnestly seek
the answer to why prayer is at times less effective than "good vibes?"

Prayer works. Good vibes work. Why? See, once you start hinting at
the fact that good vibes work even without a belief in a god, then you
have to start down the path to what role does god play in answering
prayers? The answer comes back, "apparently nothing." Not something
religious folk want to hear.


Who asked the question? Are you sure the answer is that one? I see you
have never seen a "miracle" happen. Many many people have. I cant say
that I have or have not. Its not germane to this conversation.



While your post is interesting for the outsider to help understand the
Atheist mindset..your denial is rather pitiful.


What denial? That there's some kind of codified religious belief
system for atheism? I've never seen an "atheist gospel," and don't
believe one exists. Since you keep stating that it does, maybe you can
provide a link.

Shrug


Indeed.



There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.

You may wish to look at the real world however...


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.

Gunner


"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray;
a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all.
A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all
to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children.
A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station;
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It would be pretty funny if people were not bound by their
religious beliefs. Like the non-theists who still want the religious
holidays off from work.


Or those who could use a couple extra 10 minute
breaks to stretch and walk around outside, but can't
because they are non-smokers (and those who could
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04:41:44 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:

Gunner,
I'm really sorry about your stroke.

Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Dictionary definitions don't even come up to the spcificity of a
creed, never mind the meat of a gospel... so Bzzzt. Not even a nice
try.

Im not sure where you came up with the "atheist gospel" concept..but its
simply as buffoonish as the rest of your post.


Glad you finally admit it.

There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.


Never mind. I wanted a cite to this "atheist gospel" you kept insisting
on, but since you've recanted your claim to its existence, my guess is that
you couldn't find one.

Get well soon.
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In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
04:41:44 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:

Gunner,
I'm really sorry about your stroke.

Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Dictionary definitions don't even come up to the spcificity of a
creed, never mind the meat of a gospel... so Bzzzt. Not even a nice
try.


You keep saying Creed and Gospel..neither of which I mentioned
whatsoever. However I showed the Definitions of atheist..which means
that the concept is hardly unknown to the world at large.

Im not sure where you came up with the "atheist gospel" concept..but its
simply as buffoonish as the rest of your post.


Glad you finally admit it.


Of course I admit that your inclusion of such a thing is wrong. I never
mentioned it and you invented it.

There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.



If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Never mind. I wanted a cite to this "atheist gospel" you kept insisting
on, but since you've recanted your claim to its existence, my guess is that
you couldn't find one.


So you are claiming that atheists do believe that there is a
god(s)??????

Or are you simply ****ing around trying to be as buffoonish as possible?

Get well soon.


Im doing fine. You however will be a buffoon for the rest of your life,
no matter how long that will be. And given that the Great Cull is not
far off....one suspects it will be far shorter than mine.

Shrug

Gunner


"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray;
a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all.
A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all
to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children.
A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station;
an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted."
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11:47:26 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:06:32 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:

In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
04:41:44 -0700, Gunner Asch,
wrote:

Gunner,
I'm really sorry about your stroke.

Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Dictionary definitions don't even come up to the spcificity of a
creed, never mind the meat of a gospel... so Bzzzt. Not even a nice
try.


You keep saying Creed and Gospel..


This is the very first time I've mentioned creed. Sorry, I'll try to
keep the introduction of new words/concepts in the thread to a minimum.

neither of which I mentioned whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Im not sure where you came up with the "atheist gospel" concept..but its
simply as buffoonish as the rest of your post.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Of course I admit that your inclusion of such a thing is wrong. I never
mentioned it and you invented it.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Never mind. I wanted a cite to this "atheist gospel" you kept insisting
on, but since you've recanted your claim to its existence, my guess is that
you couldn't find one.


So you are claiming that atheists do believe that there is a
god(s)??????


No. I'm pointing out that you invented some sort of atheist gospel, but
when pressed for cites, came up with dictionary defintions instead,
calling the very idea of an atheist gospel buffoonish, and repeatedly
denying it was your invention to begin with.

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In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
11:47:26 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:





On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:06:32 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:


In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
04:41:44 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:


Gunner,
*I'm really sorry about your stroke.


*Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


*Dictionary definitions don't even come up to the spcificity of a
creed, never mind the meat of a gospel... so Bzzzt. *Not even a nice
try.


You keep saying Creed and Gospel..


* This is the very first time I've mentioned creed. *Sorry, I'll try to
keep the introduction of new words/concepts in the thread to a minimum.

neither of which I mentioned whatsoever. *


* The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

* * *Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
* * *is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
* * *in their gospel.

Im not sure where you came up with the "atheist gospel" concept..but its
simply as buffoonish as the rest of your post.


* The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

* * *Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
* * *is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
* * *in their gospel.

Of course I admit that your inclusion of such a thing is wrong. I never
mentioned it and you invented it.


* The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

* * *Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
* * *is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
* * *in their gospel.

There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.


* The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

* * *Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
* * *is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
* * *in their gospel.

If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.


*http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
*http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
*http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
*http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


*Never mind. *I wanted a cite to this "atheist gospel" you kept insisting
on, but since you've recanted your claim to its existence, my guess is that
you couldn't find one.


So you are claiming that atheists *do believe that there is a
god(s)??????


* No. *I'm pointing out that you invented some sort of atheist gospel, but
when pressed for cites, came up with dictionary defintions instead,
calling the very idea of an atheist gospel buffoonish, and repeatedly
denying it was your invention to begin with.- Hide quoted text -

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Gunner makes stuff up and then believes it to be true - after all, why
would he lie to himself ;-? Recently, he made up an entire Buddhist
sect that believes in god and has no respect for the lives of others,
and has been unable or unwilling to provide any evidence that he is
not the only member of this religion. (well, to be fair, I did find
one other kook who claims to be some sort of ordained something-or-
other).

It's a shame that the people who re-plumbed his heart didn't require
him the get a psych evaluation. Perhaps then hw would have gotten the
treatment he (pretty obviously) needs.
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In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
11:47:26 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:06:32 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:

In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
04:41:44 -0700, Gunner Asch,
wrote:

Gunner,
I'm really sorry about your stroke.

Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist

Dictionary definitions don't even come up to the spcificity of a
creed, never mind the meat of a gospel... so Bzzzt. Not even a nice
try.


You keep saying Creed and Gospel..


This is the very first time I've mentioned creed. Sorry, I'll try to
keep the introduction of new words/concepts in the thread to a minimum.

neither of which I mentioned whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Im not sure where you came up with the "atheist gospel" concept..but its
simply as buffoonish as the rest of your post.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Of course I admit that your inclusion of such a thing is wrong. I never
mentioned it and you invented it.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Never mind. I wanted a cite to this "atheist gospel" you kept insisting
on, but since you've recanted your claim to its existence, my guess is that
you couldn't find one.


So you are claiming that atheists do believe that there is a
god(s)??????


No. I'm pointing out that you invented some sort of atheist gospel, but
when pressed for cites, came up with dictionary defintions instead,
calling the very idea of an atheist gospel buffoonish, and repeatedly
denying it was your invention to begin with.


Notice the SINGLE time I used it, it was in lower case letters? Not
upper case.

gos·pel (gspl)
n.


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As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.

Repeating it yet one more time doesn't make it any truer than it was
last time. Please provide substantiation of the codification of atheism,
beyond just repeating it.

Who ever claimed Atheism is "codefied"?


You did. In saying it's a religious belief system. By definition,
religious belief _systems_ are codified. You also stated there's some
kind of "atheist gospel" which would also be a claim that atheism is
codified.


It may be YOUR definition, but its hardly a universal one.
Please do try harder. Your buffoonery stands high amongst so many
buffoons.


"Religious belief systems are codified" snerk. There's a saying
in the Orthodox Church "Orthodoxy, Unorganized religion at its finest.
Two thousand years and still going."
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It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
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Gunner Asch on Mon, 16 Aug 2010 04:41:44 -0700
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As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.

Repeating it yet one more time doesn't make it any truer than it was
last time. Please provide substantiation of the codification of atheism,
beyond just repeating it.

Who ever claimed Atheism is "codefied"?

You did. In saying it's a religious belief system. By definition,
religious belief _systems_ are codified. You also stated there's some
kind of "atheist gospel" which would also be a claim that atheism is
codified.


It may be YOUR definition, but its hardly a universal one.
Please do try harder. Your buffoonery stands high amongst so many
buffoons.


"Religious belief systems are codified" snerk. There's a saying
in the Orthodox Church "Orthodoxy, Unorganized religion at its finest.
Two thousand years and still going."



ROFLMAO!! Indeed!

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Bishop in the Church of John Moses Browning



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a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all.
A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all
to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children.
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wrote:
Gunner Asch on Mon, 16 Aug 2010 04:41:44 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking *the following:


As Ive mentioned before..Atheism is no more and no less than just
another religious belief system.


*Repeating it yet one more time doesn't make it any truer than it was
last time. *Please provide substantiation of the codification of atheism,
beyond just repeating it.


Who ever claimed Atheism is "codefied"?


*You did. *In saying it's a religious belief system. *By definition,
religious belief _systems_ are codified. *You also stated there's some
kind of "atheist gospel" which would also be a claim that atheism is
codified.


It may be YOUR definition, but its hardly a universal one.
Please do try harder. Your buffoonery stands high amongst so many
buffoons.


* *"Religious belief systems are codified" *snerk. *There's a saying
in the Orthodox Church "Orthodoxy, Unorganized religion at its finest.
Two thousand years and still going."


ROFLMAO!! *Indeed!

Gunner, Rensai Buddhist-Reformed
* * * * * * * Bishop in the Church of John Moses Browning


Gunner, you are completely full of ****.
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:24:43 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:

In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
11:47:26 -0700, Gunner Asch,
wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:06:32 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:

In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
04:41:44 -0700, Gunner Asch,
wrote:

Gunner,
I'm really sorry about your stroke.

Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist

Dictionary definitions don't even come up to the spcificity of a
creed, never mind the meat of a gospel... so Bzzzt. Not even a nice
try.


You keep saying Creed and Gospel..


This is the very first time I've mentioned creed. Sorry, I'll try to
keep the introduction of new words/concepts in the thread to a minimum.

neither of which I mentioned whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Im not sure where you came up with the "atheist gospel" concept..but its
simply as buffoonish as the rest of your post.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Of course I admit that your inclusion of such a thing is wrong. I never
mentioned it and you invented it.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.


The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Never mind. I wanted a cite to this "atheist gospel" you kept insisting
on, but since you've recanted your claim to its existence, my guess is that
you couldn't find one.

So you are claiming that atheists do believe that there is a
god(s)??????


No. I'm pointing out that you invented some sort of atheist gospel, but
when pressed for cites, came up with dictionary defintions instead,
calling the very idea of an atheist gospel buffoonish, and repeatedly
denying it was your invention to begin with.


Notice the SINGLE time I used it, it was in lower case letters? Not
upper case.


So, after ALL those times of denying you EVER said it, you FINALLY admit
it. After all those times of calling the very idea buffoonish, you now try
to defend it. LOL!

Clear your mind, and picture this: A chameleon in a kaleidoscope.
That's what I'm seeing. :-)

gos·pel (gspl)
n.
1. often Gospel The proclamation of the redemption preached by Jesus and
the Apostles, which is the central content of Christian revelation.
2.
a. Gospel Bible One of the first four New Testament books, describing
the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus and recording his teaching.
b. A similar narrative.
3. often Gospel A lection from any of the first four New Testament books
included as part of a religious service.
4. A teaching or doctrine of a religious teacher.
5. Music Gospel music.

6. Something, such as an idea or principle, accepted as unquestionably
true: My parents' rules were gospel.
adj.


Check #6 if you would be so kind

And it fits rather well, with good irony, doesnt it?


WRITTEN... IN... an idea or principle?

No, that doesn't make any sense at all. If something is WRITTEN IN a
gospel, then that gospel has to be "manifest" meaning that I should be
able to lay my hands on a book, or download a computer file wherein
something IS WRITTEN.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gospel

Main Entry: 1gos·pel
Pronunciation: \?gäs-p?l\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English go-dspel (translation of
Late Latin evangelium), from go-d good + spell tale — more at spell
Date: before 12th century

1 a often capitalized : the message concerning Christ, the kingdom of
God, and salvation b capitalized : one of the first four New Testament
books telling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; also
: a similar apocryphal book c : an interpretation of the Christian
message the social gospel
2 capitalized : a lection from one of the New Testament Gospels
3 : the message or teachings of a religious teacher

4 : something accepted or promoted as infallible truth or as a guiding
principle or doctrine took her words as gospel spreading the gospel
of conservation — R. M. Hodesh

See #4. It too fits rather well, doesnt it? Ditto on "irony" G


See above. #4 doesn't fit the context of your "atheist gospel"
either.

Or are you once again claiming that atheists really are unsure if there
is a god(s) or not?


Look at my first post in this thread. I put it as clearly and
succinctly as possible.

"4 : something accepted or promoted as infallible truth or as a guiding
principle or doctrine "


Its rather pitiful that your intellect and ability to grasp and use
words is so....poor.


It's rather pitiful that you always have to resort to ad hominem.

But then..you are a typical Leftwinger,


Wow! Even without knowing I voted against Obama, against Clinton, and
against Jimmy Carter, you somehow know I'm a "typical Leftwinger." You
sure can assume real good there Gunner.

mentally ill and self proclaiming as a Superior Being. Which is simply
a symptom of your mental illness.


Sucks..really sucks to be you..doesnt it?


When all you've got is ad hominem, it's the ultimate admit of defeat...
not a very gracious one, but I accept nonetheless.

Come back when you grow more brain cells..the 3 that you are sporting
simply are not enough. With luck your testicles will have descended as
well and I can treat you like a man.


And yet another ingracious acknowledgement of defeat. And yet, I accept
again. I'm gone for a week, but yes, I'll be back. Save the discussion
on the concept of atheism as a "religious belief system" for me.
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In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
14:45:59 -0700, Gunner Asch, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:24:43 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:

In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
11:47:26 -0700, Gunner Asch,
wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:06:32 -0700, Fairy Tales Aren't Real
wrote:

In , on Mon, 16 Aug 2010
04:41:44 -0700, Gunner Asch,
wrote:

Gunner,
I'm really sorry about your stroke.

Please point me to this "atheist gospel" that's so obvious to everyone
else.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist

Dictionary definitions don't even come up to the spcificity of a
creed, never mind the meat of a gospel... so Bzzzt. Not even a nice
try.


You keep saying Creed and Gospel..

This is the very first time I've mentioned creed. Sorry, I'll try to
keep the introduction of new words/concepts in the thread to a minimum.

neither of which I mentioned whatsoever.

The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Im not sure where you came up with the "atheist gospel" concept..but its
simply as buffoonish as the rest of your post.

The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

Of course I admit that your inclusion of such a thing is wrong. I never
mentioned it and you invented it.

The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

There you go with that "atheist gospel" thingy. I dont have a clue where
the hell you drug that up from. But it certainly doesnt help your case
whatsoever.

The place I drug up the "atheist gospel" thingy was from
wherein you stated:

Actually....most militant atheists claim that there
is no possiblity of there being a god(s). Its written
in their gospel.

If you need more cites, Ill be happy to supply them.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...finitions.html
http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheist


Never mind. I wanted a cite to this "atheist gospel" you kept insisting
on, but since you've recanted your claim to its existence, my guess is that
you couldn't find one.

So you are claiming that atheists do believe that there is a
god(s)??????

No. I'm pointing out that you invented some sort of atheist gospel, but
when pressed for cites, came up with dictionary defintions instead,
calling the very idea of an atheist gospel buffoonish, and repeatedly
denying it was your invention to begin with.


Notice the SINGLE time I used it, it was in lower case letters? Not
upper case.


So, after ALL those times of denying you EVER said it, you FINALLY admit
it. After all those times of calling the very idea buffoonish, you now try
to defend it. LOL!


Tisk tisk....you keep trying to claim Gospel..and now you are nattering
about gospel

That capitalization really makes a differnce. Now I understand that to
you..the typically mentally ill and moderately retarded Leftwinger there
might not be any difference..but as #6 below states...its a vast
difference from the Gospel in #1-5

Pay attention ****lips...Capitalization means something.

Clear your mind, and picture this: A chameleon in a kaleidoscope.
That's what I'm seeing. :-)

gos·pel (gspl)
n.
1. often Gospel The proclamation of the redemption preached by Jesus and
the Apostles, which is the central content of Christian revelation.
2.
a. Gospel Bible One of the first four New Testament books, describing
the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus and recording his teaching.
b. A similar narrative.
3. often Gospel A lection from any of the first four New Testament books
included as part of a religious service.
4. A teaching or doctrine of a religious teacher.
5. Music Gospel music.

6. Something, such as an idea or principle, accepted as unquestionably
true: My parents' rules were gospel.
adj.


Check #6 if you would be so kind

And it fits rather well, with good irony, doesnt it?


WRITTEN... IN... an idea or principle?

No, that doesn't make any sense at all. If something is WRITTEN IN a
gospel, then that gospel has to be "manifest" meaning that I should be
able to lay my hands on a book, or download a computer file wherein
something IS WRITTEN.


Upper or lower case "G"?


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gospel

Main Entry: 1gos·pel
Pronunciation: \?gäs-p?l\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English go-dspel (translation of
Late Latin evangelium), from go-d good + spell tale ? more at spell
Date: before 12th century

1 a often capitalized : the message concerning Christ, the kingdom of
God, and salvation b capitalized : one of the first four New Testament
books telling of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ; also
: a similar apocryphal book c : an interpretation of the Christian
message the social gospel
2 capitalized : a lection from one of the New Testament Gospels
3 : the message or teachings of a religious teacher

4 : something accepted or promoted as infallible truth or as a guiding
principle or doctrine took her words as gospel spreading the gospel
of conservation ? R. M. Hodesh

See #4. It too fits rather well, doesnt it? Ditto on "irony" G


See above. #4 doesn't fit the context of your "atheist gospel"
either.


Sure it does. It fits perfectly.

Or are you once again claiming that atheists really are unsure if there
is a god(s) or not?


Look at my first post in this thread. I put it as clearly and
succinctly as possible.


So you are claiming that atheists are sure there is no god..and its
their gospel that there is no god. Correct?

"4 : something accepted or promoted as infallible truth or as a guiding
principle or doctrine "


Its rather pitiful that your intellect and ability to grasp and use
words is so....poor.


It's rather pitiful that you always have to resort to ad hominem.

But then..you are a typical Leftwinger,


Wow! Even without knowing I voted against Obama, against Clinton, and
against Jimmy Carter, you somehow know I'm a "typical Leftwinger." You
sure can assume real good there Gunner.


If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and has webbed feet....

If you are not a Leftwinger..then obviously you are simply retarded.

Pity about that, eh wot?

mentally ill and self proclaiming as a Superior Being. Which is simply
a symptom of your mental illness.


Sucks..really sucks to be you..doesnt it?


When all you've got is ad hominem, it's the ultimate admit of defeat...
not a very gracious one, but I accept nonetheless.


That Ive kicked your ass? Good lad.

Come back when you grow more brain cells..the 3 that you are sporting
simply are not enough. With luck your testicles will have descended as
well and I can treat you like a man.


And yet another ingracious acknowledgement of defeat. And yet, I accept
again. I'm gone for a week, but yes, I'll be back. Save the discussion
on the concept of atheism as a "religious belief system" for me.


Why? Im right today, Im right tommorow and Ill be right next week on
this subject.

You will still be wrong, if you maintain this position.

And you are still boring.

Gunner

--


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
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