[Stu Fields]

This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

[Doug Miller]

In article , "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Stu, most of the garbage is coming from other groups and crossposted here.
Filter out the crossposted articles, and most of the garbage will disappear.

[cavelamb]

Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Stu, most of the garbage is coming from other groups and crossposted here.
Filter out the crossposted articles, and most of the garbage will disappear.


Were I king of the news groups, I'd do away with cross posting completely.

Sure, it had valid uses.

But these days it is used mostly to destroy groups that someone wants destroyed.

[Doug Miller]

In article , cavelamb wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Stu Fields"
wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Stu, most of the garbage is coming from other groups and crossposted here.
Filter out the crossposted articles, and most of the garbage will disappear.


Were I king of the news groups, I'd do away with cross posting completely.

Sure, it had valid uses.

But these days it is used mostly to destroy groups that someone wants
destroyed.

It's a fairly simple matter to set up filters to remove irrelevant crossposts;
for example, it's a pretty safe bet that anything crossposted to
alt.talk.politics is going to be waaaaaaayyyy OT in r.c.m.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jul 10, 11:55*am, "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. *Its a shame. * I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. *They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

I would agree.

A bit of history...

RCM has always been the home of a prominent conservative spammer which
has drawn much of the spam to this group.

Since the majority of the participants here have moderate to extreme
conservative leanings, this spammer has been tolerated and encouraged.

Now that the country has "tossed the conservative bums out", much of
the retaliatory spam that follows this conservative spammer and his
friends home to RCM is now of a liberal nature. Because of the
conservative nature of our members, these posts annoy and frustrate
them. It doesn't help that the Republicans seem hell bent on
destroying their Party with a scandal a week effort while the Country
stands as the brink of an economic depression.

So how can we improve RCM?

Well I have always considered that change starts with the individual.
For my part, I try to post items of interest to the group..metal
related of course...and any OT articles that are posted (which are
few) are CLEARLY MARKED as such. If you click on an OT that I have
posted, you assume the responsibility for your actions...whether or
not you approve of the article.

I suggest you do the same.

TMT

[jon_banquer]

On Jul 10, 9:55*am, "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. *Its a shame. * I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. *They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Maybe one of the reasons its deteriorated has a great deal to do with
you. I put up a post last weekend about drill sharpeners. If you
machine I find it hard to believe you don't do any drilling yet I
don't remember you commenting in that thread.

I've made it clear that I think a built in optical inspection and
measuring system is a necessity in a drill grinder yet most drill
grinders don't have them.

I happen to feel the same way about a tool and cutter grinder.

Will you ignore this metalworking post as well and keep complaining
rather than doing something about the problem?


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[Grumpy]

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Stu Fields"
wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a
shame. I'm reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Stu, most of the garbage is coming from other groups and crossposted
here. Filter out the crossposted articles, and most of the garbage will
disappear.


Were I king of the news groups, I'd do away with cross posting completely.

Sure, it had valid uses.

But these days it is used mostly to destroy groups that someone wants
destroyed.



I use Outlook express as a newsgroup reader. Can anyone tell me how I set it
up to eliminate cross posts/


Thanks in advance

[cavelamb]

Grumpy wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Stu Fields"
wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a
shame. I'm reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."
Stu, most of the garbage is coming from other groups and crossposted
here. Filter out the crossposted articles, and most of the garbage will
disappear.

Were I king of the news groups, I'd do away with cross posting completely.

Sure, it had valid uses.

But these days it is used mostly to destroy groups that someone wants
destroyed.



I use Outlook express as a newsgroup reader. Can anyone tell me how I set it
up to eliminate cross posts/


Thanks in advance





http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/

[cavelamb]

jon_banquer wrote:
On Jul 10, 9:55 am, "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Maybe one of the reasons its deteriorated has a great deal to do with
you. I put up a post last weekend about drill sharpeners. If you
machine I find it hard to believe you don't do any drilling yet I
don't remember you commenting in that thread.

I've made it clear that I think a built in optical inspection and
measuring system is a necessity in a drill grinder yet most drill
grinders don't have them.

I happen to feel the same way about a tool and cutter grinder.

Will you ignore this metalworking post as well and keep complaining
rather than doing something about the problem?


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA






I saw your thread, Jon.
read all of it and was envious of folks that could take advantage of it.
But I didn't comment - there was nothing valid I could add to the thread.

My metalworking is stone aged by comparison.
Drill bits are a consumable commodity.
sad, but at this level, it makes more economic sense to replace them than
invest in hight precision sharpening equipment.

The title of the news group is, after all, REC.crafts.metalworking.
Didn't say anything about having to be a pro.

[Doug Miller]

In article , "Grumpy" wrote:

I use Outlook express as a newsgroup reader. Can anyone tell me how I set it
up to eliminate cross posts/

First, reconsider your choice of newsreader. g If you're set on using
Outhouse, then you need to get a proxy program as well. I use Nfilter
(www.nfilter.org).

[jon_banquer]

On Jul 10, 11:36 pm, cavelamb wrote:

My metalworking is stone aged by comparison.
Drill bits are a consumable commodity.
sad, but at this level, it makes more economic sense to replace them than
invest in hight precision sharpening equipment.

It most often makes sense to replace them period but not always. Here
are a few examples where you need to sharpen a drill bit:

1. You're working on a hot job and need to get it done and you can't
wait.

2. You wish to make a special drill bit that isn't commercially
available.

3. You can buy a lot of large dull drills for nothing at an auction.

4. Your drilling hardened material / weldments and your drills aren't
holding up.

The title of the news group is, after all, REC.crafts.metalworking.
Didn't say anything about having to be a pro.

What's a "pro"? Is that some "a" hole who can't machine his way out
of a paper bag and who posts on Usenet trying to convince everyone
he's the worlds greatest machinist?

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[Stu Fields]

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
...
On Jul 10, 9:55 am, "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Maybe one of the reasons its deteriorated has a great deal to do with
you. I put up a post last weekend about drill sharpeners. If you
machine I find it hard to believe you don't do any drilling yet I
don't remember you commenting in that thread.

I've made it clear that I think a built in optical inspection and
measuring system is a necessity in a drill grinder yet most drill
grinders don't have them.

I happen to feel the same way about a tool and cutter grinder.

Will you ignore this metalworking post as well and keep complaining
rather than doing something about the problem?


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA


No the very tone of your reply of attack is the main reason you just got
plunked. Not your technical input. I can find that quality of input
without your brand of assault.

[jon_banquer]

On Jul 11, 8:51*am, "Stu Fields" wrote:

No the very tone of your reply of attack is the main reason you just got
plunked. *Not your technical input. *I can find that quality of input
without your brand of assault.


Than find it and stop you’re pathetic, miserable whining. Suggest you
also start your own highly censored and moderated machining web forum
where you can be protected from horrible people who hurt your
feelings.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[Half-Nutz]

On Jul 11, 8:24*am, jon_banquer wrote:
On Jul 10, 11:36 pm, cavelamb wrote:


What's a "pro"? Is that some *"a" hole who can't machine his way out
of a paper bag and who posts on Usenet trying to convince everyone
he's the worlds greatest machinist?

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Now you are claiming to be a "Pro" ?
Nice definition for you.

Thanks for making me laugh, once again!

[Hawke[_2_]]

Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."




What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

[Hawke[_2_]]

Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."




What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

[jon_banquer]

On Jul 11, 3:23*pm, Hawke wrote:
Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. *Its a shame. * I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. *They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

The problem is lack of machining content being posted and the lack of
response to what machining content is posted.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[Martin H. Eastburn]

This news group is metal working.
Not politics or dribble.

It is without doubt that this dribble has brought down more ISP's
than RIAA.

I have to take good pictures of my Boring head ball turner. [ metal content]
Martin

Hawke wrote:
Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a
shame. I'm reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where
they have more experience and you will lose."



What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jul 11, 5:23*pm, Hawke wrote:
Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. *Its a shame. * I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. *They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

Well said.

Most of the off topic political spam is conservative in nature.

While the most whine is generated when a liberal post is made.

TMT

[Bill Noble[_2_]]

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Jul 11, 5:23 pm, Hawke wrote:
Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

Well said.

Most of the off topic political spam is conservative in nature.

While the most whine is generated when a liberal post is made.

TMT

at the risk of prolonging the death of this thread, I would disagree with
"conservative" - it's "right wing", but very very far from conservative.

[John R. Carroll[_3_]]

Bill Noble wrote:

at the risk of prolonging the death of this thread, I would disagree
with "conservative" - it's "right wing", but very very far from
conservative.

There are only a couple of conservatives that post to this group. Were you
to look carefully, you'd see I'm one of them.
There is no shortage, however, of opinionated and vocal K00Ks with thin
skins and little sense.

--
John R. Carroll

[David R.Birch]

Hawke wrote:
Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a
shame. I'm reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where
they have more experience and you will lose."



What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

Seems to be equal parts of "right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals" and "left wingers are in the group and can't contain
themselves from making negative comments about "conservatives".

I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jul 12, 12:21*am, "Bill Noble" wrote:
"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message

...
On Jul 11, 5:23 pm, Hawke wrote:



Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

Well said.

Most of the off topic political spam is conservative in nature.

While the most whine is generated when a liberal post is made.

TMT

at the risk of prolonging the death of this thread, I would disagree with
"conservative" - it's "right wing", but very very far from conservative.

Agreed...I understand the point you are making.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Jul 12, 10:41*am, "David R.Birch" wrote:
Hawke wrote:
Stu Fields wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. *Its a
shame. * I'm reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. *They will force you to their level where
they have more experience and you will lose."

What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

Seems to be equal parts of "right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals" and "left wingers are in the group and can't contain
themselves from making negative comments about "conservatives".

I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Hmm...I have always considered it to be over weighted towards the
"right winger" spam side.

On topic...LASERS!?!?!..let's hear more about it. ;)

TMT

[David R.Birch]

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

Seems to be equal parts of "right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals" and "left wingers are in the group and can't contain
themselves from making negative comments about "conservatives".

I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Hmm...I have always considered it to be over weighted towards the
"right winger" spam side.

On topic...LASERS!?!?!..let's hear more about it. ;)

What do you want to know? I work for The LASER Shop:

http://www.thelasershop.com/

We can cut up to 3/4" steel with light and about 6" with water.

We're a fab shop, cut, form & weld with some priming. Other finishes
and heat treating we farm out.

We quote small jobs and big jobs, industrial and artistic. We just cut
some decorative wood details for a restoration of a park gazebo.

David

[jon_banquer]

On Jul 12, 8:41*am, "David R.Birch" wrote:

I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Since we are finally on topic:

I'd like to figure out how to create (better yet buy as I'm very busy
at work) a moderately priced optical or laser measuring system that
would allow me to quickly measure the lips of a drill so I could
quickly dial in equal length cutting lips on a Darex M5 without having
to waste so much time with trail and error. I would like to do this
without having to remove the drill from the chuck.. I think the same
need to quickly measure the tool you're making exists for most semi
portable cutter grinder type tools.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

[Snag[_3_]]

David R.Birch wrote:

I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Me too ! 'Cept I don't have a laser , have to settle for a mill and
lathe - both of which have been in use this weekend . From a new shoulder
bolt (from 1/2" 303SS stock) for my right side floorboard on the Harley to
major progress on the taper attachment for my lathe I've been busy all
weekend .
And I finally finished the soft jaws for my mill vise , made 'em from some
Old Chevy Head ingots I cast a couple of months ago . Even saved the chips
for melting down at a later date , like when it's not 100 deg out in the
back yard .
--
Snag
Sure glad my man-cave (as my daughter calls my shed)
has air conditioning !

[David R.Birch]

jon_banquer wrote:
On Jul 12, 8:41 am, "David R.Birch" wrote:

I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Since we are finally on topic:

I'd like to figure out how to create (better yet buy as I'm very busy
at work) a moderately priced optical or laser measuring system that
would allow me to quickly measure the lips of a drill so I could
quickly dial in equal length cutting lips on a Darex M5 without having
to waste so much time with trail and error. I would like to do this
without having to remove the drill from the chuck.. I think the same
need to quickly measure the tool you're making exists for most semi
portable cutter grinder type tools.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Sorry, the only LASER measuring system I'm familiar with is LASERQC:

http://www.virtek.ca/products_inspection_LaserQC.asp

We've been using this for several years for part inspection and
reverse engineering.

I haven't had a need for drill point inspection yet. I grind by hand
using a Starrett gauge, when it looks right and drills less that .002
big, I'm good to go. I can't remember the last time I had to regrind
to get less than .002 oversize.

David

[David R.Birch]

Snag wrote:
David R.Birch wrote:
I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Me too ! 'Cept I don't have a laser , have to settle for a mill and
lathe - both of which have been in use this weekend . From a new shoulder
bolt (from 1/2" 303SS stock) for my right side floorboard on the Harley to
major progress on the taper attachment for my lathe I've been busy all
weekend .
And I finally finished the soft jaws for my mill vise , made 'em from some
Old Chevy Head ingots I cast a couple of months ago . Even saved the chips
for melting down at a later date , like when it's not 100 deg out in the
back yard .

The Atlas 618 lathe and Benchmaster mill are in the basement, the
LASERs are at work. I also have my Atlas 12x36 at work because we
sometimes need to turn stuff and I don't have room for it downstairs.

David

[Wes[_2_]]

"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Bill Noble wrote:

at the risk of prolonging the death of this thread, I would disagree
with "conservative" - it's "right wing", but very very far from
conservative.

There are only a couple of conservatives that post to this group. Were you
to look carefully, you'd see I'm one of them.
There is no shortage, however, of opinionated and vocal K00Ks with thin
skins and little sense.


If we can trust Rasmussen, Conservatives out number Democrats and Republicans and are
found in BOTH parties.

Is TMT still trolling?

Wes

[Snag[_3_]]

David R.Birch wrote:
Snag wrote:
David R.Birch wrote:
I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Me too ! 'Cept I don't have a laser , have to settle for a mill and
lathe - both of which have been in use this weekend . From a new
shoulder bolt (from 1/2" 303SS stock) for my right side floorboard
on the Harley to major progress on the taper attachment for my lathe
I've been busy all weekend .
And I finally finished the soft jaws for my mill vise , made 'em
from some Old Chevy Head ingots I cast a couple of months ago . Even
saved the chips for melting down at a later date , like when it's
not 100 deg out in the back yard .

The Atlas 618 lathe and Benchmaster mill are in the basement, the
LASERs are at work. I also have my Atlas 12x36 at work because we
sometimes need to turn stuff and I don't have room for it downstairs.

David

I've got an 8X12 shed in the back yard with all my stuff in it . I'm using
a (Wards PowrKraft) Logan 10X31 lathe and an RF45 clone benchtop mill .
Lathe is as old as me , but the mill was brand new last summer .
--
Snag
I'm one happy
Tool Whore .

[John R. Carroll[_3_]]

Wes wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote:

Bill Noble wrote:

at the risk of prolonging the death of this thread, I would disagree
with "conservative" - it's "right wing", but very very far from
conservative.

There are only a couple of conservatives that post to this group.
Were you to look carefully, you'd see I'm one of them.
There is no shortage, however, of opinionated and vocal K00Ks with
thin skins and little sense.


If we can trust Rasmussen, Conservatives out number Democrats and
Republicans and are found in BOTH parties.

No comment Wes.


Is TMT still trolling?

Who knows.
He certainly is annoying.

Man. I just looked over the Michigan numbers on Thursday.
I'm breathless, speachless and otherwise chagrined.

I might just come home and do something about it. Well, I might try anyway.
That's all one can really do you know.
You will probably find this amusing but I've only felt as let down as I do
now twice before in my life.
Not angry or anything mind you. Just WTF, you know...............

--
John R. Carroll

[SteveB[_10_]]

"Stu Fields" wrote in message
...
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a
shame. I'm reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Then go away, you elitist snob pig. This is just like reality. You won't
like everyone, not even your relatives or inlaws. Not your coworkers. So,
give up the Pollyanna attitude, and just skim the cream and ignore the rest,
and quit bitchin about what you can't change.

You'd go to Denali to see the bears and mountains, then bitch endlessly
about the mosquitos.

Grow up and cope.

[SteveB[_10_]]

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
jon_banquer wrote:
On Jul 10, 9:55 am, "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame.
I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Maybe one of the reasons its deteriorated has a great deal to do with
you. I put up a post last weekend about drill sharpeners. If you
machine I find it hard to believe you don't do any drilling yet I
don't remember you commenting in that thread.

I've made it clear that I think a built in optical inspection and
measuring system is a necessity in a drill grinder yet most drill
grinders don't have them.

I happen to feel the same way about a tool and cutter grinder.

Will you ignore this metalworking post as well and keep complaining
rather than doing something about the problem?


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA






I saw your thread, Jon.
read all of it and was envious of folks that could take advantage of it.
But I didn't comment - there was nothing valid I could add to the thread.

My metalworking is stone aged by comparison.
Drill bits are a consumable commodity.
sad, but at this level, it makes more economic sense to replace them than
invest in hight precision sharpening equipment.

The title of the news group is, after all, REC.crafts.metalworking.
Didn't say anything about having to be a pro.

Agree, except for the drill bit thing. Got a Drill Doctor 750 and like it a
lot. Sure, you can get them for a nickel or dime at a yard sale, but when
you fry one in the middle of a job, it's hard to find a yard sale that's
selling bits. So, I just buy hundreds when I see them, asking, "How much
for all?" Then, they're pennies apiece. HTH.

Steve

[SteveB[_10_]]

"Half-Nutz" wrote in message
...
On Jul 11, 8:24 am, jon_banquer wrote:
On Jul 10, 11:36 pm, cavelamb wrote:


What's a "pro"? Is that some "a" hole who can't machine his way out
of a paper bag and who posts on Usenet trying to convince everyone
he's the worlds greatest machinist?

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Now you are claiming to be a "Pro" ?
Nice definition for you.

Thanks for making me laugh, once again!

Reply: I grew up in Las Vegas. Got a job on the Strip at 16. I heard the
word "pro" many times. One time, I asked an old timer what it meant. He
said, "A pro is a guy who does a good job no matter how he feels." He
didn't say perfect job. Or outstanding job. Just good job. I remembered
that.

Steve

[SteveB[_10_]]

"Stu Fields" wrote in message
...

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
...
On Jul 10, 9:55 am, "Stu Fields" wrote:
This NG seems to have deteriorated into mostly OT and a lot of name
calling
that sounds like an elementary school yard environment. Its a shame. I'm
reminded of an adage that says:
"Never argue with idiots. They will force you to their level where they
have more experience and you will lose."

Maybe one of the reasons its deteriorated has a great deal to do with
you. I put up a post last weekend about drill sharpeners. If you
machine I find it hard to believe you don't do any drilling yet I
don't remember you commenting in that thread.

I've made it clear that I think a built in optical inspection and
measuring system is a necessity in a drill grinder yet most drill
grinders don't have them.

I happen to feel the same way about a tool and cutter grinder.

Will you ignore this metalworking post as well and keep complaining
rather than doing something about the problem?


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA


No the very tone of your reply of attack is the main reason you just got
plunked. Not your technical input. I can find that quality of input
without your brand of assault.

So, you can't answer the question. You need to go into politics.

[SteveB[_10_]]

What exactly is a newsgroup anyway? It's just a bunch of people putting
their thoughts up for all to see. If there is a sense of deterioration
that's simple, it's a matter of who is doing the posting. From my
experience, the problem is that so many right wingers are in the group
and can't contain themselves from making negative comments about
"liberals". Then people respond to the attacks and it goes back and
forth from there. If the right wingers would keep their political views
to themselves you would see the "deterioration" stop right away. But
that will never happen. They are so emotional they can't keep anything
to themselves.

Hawke

**** me. Just think of what would happen if we talked about metal all the
time.

Shazam, Batman!

[SteveB[_10_]]

Is TMT still trolling?

TMT is the consummate troll. I wouldn't doubt if in real life he's not a
politician.

[SteveB[_10_]]

I like to cut metal. Lathes & mills &, lately LASERs.

David

Ah, if the newsgroup were made up of people like you. I can't run a lathe
or mill or laser (except those little pointing devices), but I can fix your
trailer or make you a nice gate or do lots of things with metal for you.

Keyword: metal.

Keywords not: Bush, WMDs, etc, etc, etc.

[cavelamb]

SteveB wrote:
"Half-Nutz" wrote in message
...
On Jul 11, 8:24 am, jon_banquer wrote:
On Jul 10, 11:36 pm, cavelamb wrote:


What's a "pro"? Is that some "a" hole who can't machine his way out
of a paper bag and who posts on Usenet trying to convince everyone
he's the worlds greatest machinist?

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA

Now you are claiming to be a "Pro" ?
Nice definition for you.

Thanks for making me laugh, once again!

Reply: I grew up in Las Vegas. Got a job on the Strip at 16. I heard the
word "pro" many times. One time, I asked an old timer what it meant. He
said, "A pro is a guy who does a good job no matter how he feels." He
didn't say perfect job. Or outstanding job. Just good job. I remembered
that.

Steve



Well, with that definition I'll have to withdraw my earlier complaint.

I do the best job I can with what I have to work with.
But are the results a good job?