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6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate



 
 
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Old October 30th 08, 09:38 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

Hi,

I just bought a 6" 4 Jaw independent chuck for my Myford ML7, but I
can't get a backplate around here. What steel would you suggest I use
to make one? I was thinking along the lines of 4140, but if 1045 is
alright, it's easier to get here... Any ideas?

Thanks!

Ricardo Medina
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Old October 30th 08, 09:45 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

Ricardo D. Medina wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a 6" 4 Jaw independent chuck for my Myford ML7, but I
can't get a backplate around here. What steel would you suggest I use
to make one? I was thinking along the lines of 4140, but if 1045 is
alright, it's easier to get here... Any ideas?


I currently fabricating a backplate
for a 5C collet chuck from a cast iron
round.
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Old October 30th 08, 11:13 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:38:27 -0700 (PDT), "Ricardo D. Medina"
wrote:

I just bought a 6" 4 Jaw independent chuck for my Myford ML7, but I
can't get a backplate around here. What steel would you suggest I use
to make one? I was thinking along the lines of 4140, but if 1045 is
alright, it's easier to get here... Any ideas?


Cast iron, if you can get it. You may be able to find a partially
machined backplate that you can finish to fit, for example:
http://www.shars.com/product_categor...ed_Back_Plates

I've made a couple Ajust-Tru to Hardinge spindle backplates from hot
rolled low carbon plate that I'm pleased with. Pick a material that's
easy to machine and that won't move too much when you turn half the
blank into chips. Don't bring any feature to its final dimension until
you've roughed the whole part. There's no good reason to go to the
expense and trouble of using 4140.

--
Ned Simmons
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Old October 31st 08, 09:23 AM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

You really should use a cast iron round. Cast iron is a dead material,
dimentionally stable and easy to machine. Steel is absolutely the wrong
material because it will sing when subjected to vibration and amplify tool
chatter.. This is the reason that all machine tools use cast iron. Don't
reinvent the wheel.
Steve

"Ricardo D. Medina" wrote in message
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Hi,

I just bought a 6" 4 Jaw independent chuck for my Myford ML7, but I
can't get a backplate around here. What steel would you suggest I use
to make one? I was thinking along the lines of 4140, but if 1045 is
alright, it's easier to get here... Any ideas?

Thanks!

Ricardo Medina



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Old October 31st 08, 02:07 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

Thanks for the tips... I've just called up a couple of raw stock
shops, and the only thing they can get that would sort of work as a 6"
disc is 1045... They shrugged at the mention of cast iron, I'd
probably need to get it cast somwhere... (Yep, you guessed, I'm not in
the US). So basically, I'll cut it out of 1045, and scrounge around
for a cast iron "something" that might do the job later... (No, no
scrapyards either... Isn't it annoying?)

Anyway, thanks for your time!

Ricardo




On Oct 31, 7:23*am, "Steve Lusardi" wrote:
You really should use a cast iron round. Cast iron is a dead material,
dimentionally stable and easy to machine. Steel is absolutely the wrong
material because it will sing when subjected to vibration and amplify tool
chatter.. This is the reason that all machine tools use cast iron. Don't
reinvent the wheel.
Steve

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Old October 31st 08, 03:11 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:23:47 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

You really should use a cast iron round. Cast iron is a dead material,
dimentionally stable and easy to machine. Steel is absolutely the wrong
material because it will sing when subjected to vibration and amplify tool
chatter.. This is the reason that all machine tools use cast iron. Don't
reinvent the wheel.
Steve


Except:
-the best chucks are made of steel
-many of those steel chucks come with steel back plates
-there are plenty of load bearing steel components on machine tools
-steel is stiffer than cast iron

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Ned Simmons
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Old October 31st 08, 03:18 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

Don't give up on the cast iron. I'll bet that there's a foundry within
50 miles of you. All you have to do is make a wooden disc pattern,with
or without central hole, and have them cast it for you. About a 2
percent draft on the edges. Might be fun, too. Maybe have them do a
couple of them. Heck, they may even have some stuff around that you
could use.

Pete Stanaitis
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Ricardo D. Medina wrote:
Thanks for the tips... I've just called up a couple of raw stock
shops, and the only thing they can get that would sort of work as a 6"
disc is 1045... They shrugged at the mention of cast iron, I'd
probably need to get it cast somwhere... (Yep, you guessed, I'm not in
the US). So basically, I'll cut it out of 1045, and scrounge around
for a cast iron "something" that might do the job later... (No, no
scrapyards either... Isn't it annoying?)

Anyway, thanks for your time!

Ricardo




On Oct 31, 7:23 am, "Steve Lusardi" wrote:

You really should use a cast iron round. Cast iron is a dead material,
dimentionally stable and easy to machine. Steel is absolutely the wrong
material because it will sing when subjected to vibration and amplify tool
chatter.. This is the reason that all machine tools use cast iron. Don't
reinvent the wheel.
Steve



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Old October 31st 08, 10:50 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

On Oct 30, 5:38*pm, "Ricardo D. Medina" wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a 6" 4 Jaw independent chuck for my Myford ML7, but I
can't get a backplate around here. What steel would you suggest I use
to make one? I was thinking along the lines of 4140, but if 1045 is
alright, it's easier to get here... Any ideas?

Thanks!

Ricardo Medina


Look at "Bison" chucks and backing plates.
http://www.toolmex.co.uk/new/products.html
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Old October 31st 08, 11:40 PM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:38:27 -0700 (PDT), "Ricardo D. Medina"
wrote:

Hi,

I just bought a 6" 4 Jaw independent chuck for my Myford ML7, but I
can't get a backplate around here. What steel would you suggest I use
to make one? I was thinking along the lines of 4140, but if 1045 is
alright, it's easier to get here... Any ideas?

Thanks!

Ricardo Medina



Contrary to the cast iron recommendations you will get I have, over
the years, made a number of "back plates" for various size chucks,
usually to allow a chuck to be used on a lathe with a different size
spindle. I have always used plain old steel - whatever was available
in the scrap barrel. In fact I frequently used thick walled steel pipe
or tubing, threaded it to fit the spindle, welded a flat plate to it
and then re-mounted it on the spindle and machined it all over to fit
the chuck. Never had a problem with them and some of them were still
being used the last time I visited home forty years after I made them.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
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Old November 1st 08, 12:41 AM posted to rec.crafts.metalworking
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Default 6" 4 Jaw chuck Backplate

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:45:20 -0700, Jim Stewart wrote:

Ricardo D. Medina wrote:
Hi,

I just bought a 6" 4 Jaw independent chuck for my Myford ML7, but I
can't get a backplate around here. What steel would you suggest I use
to make one? I was thinking along the lines of 4140, but if 1045 is
alright, it's easier to get here... Any ideas?


I currently fabricating a backplate
for a 5C collet chuck from a cast iron
round.


Just finished one for a 5" 4-jaw to fit on a asian 7x10;
6061T-something-or-other plate. It was thick enough and big enough and it
was in the pile of stuff-to-make-stuff-with.

Here's what I did, with a small trick I did to make mark the centres of the
holes for the chuck on the plate.

First off I mounted the plate straight to the spindle - three threaded
holes in the plate matching the spindle ones. That part was simple because
a while ago I made a good template for the spindle holes (after several not
quite so good templates). I screwed studs into the threaded holes and
bolted the plate on good and tight; then turned the front to match the
spindle nose. Turned the plate around and put the studs in from the other
side, bolted it down and indicated to make sure it was flat on the back
side, then turned the edge and the front to match the chuck.

Here's the little trick. I mounted the 4-jaw with the jaws gripping the
step on the front of the backplate. Adjusted the jaws until the outside of
the chuck and the back-side of the chuck ran true, then mounted a transfer
punch in the cross-slide and twiddled the hand wheels until the punch went
in one of the chuck mounting holes nicely. Took the chuck off, ran the
punch point up to the face of the backplate and scribed a circle. Measured
the circle dia, divided by 2^1/2, set the dividers to that and scribed the
centres.
 




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