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On Dec 11, 9:01 pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"Brent" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 6:44 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "Leon Fisk" wrote Somebody made a sling-shot, weight and string rig too. Nowadays someone would probably freak out and call the police if they saw you with a sling-shot... -- Leon Fisk Electricians in the convention industry in Las Vegas use sling shots with a Zebco reel taped on to shoot a nut carrying fishing line. They then pull a rope that pulls their cables through the bar joists that support the ceiling. Been doing it for quite a while. Steve I saw the greenlee cablecaster and as a kid i had a little fishing rod called a pocket fisherman. It was a closed face reel and about 18 inches long overall with a little peice of rod I am CURSING MYSELF for having lost it in the changes of houses because casting a nut or sinker with it would have been so nice. I never attached much faith in it as fishing equipment since i always used open bail reels from the age of about 8 onwards and it seemed like a gimmick or something to put in a suitcase I suddenly wish it was in my toolbox. Brent Ottawa Canada I got some 18" ice fishing poles and reels for Christmas last year. They are the bail type reels and not pushbutton type. But, I bet you could get a pushbutton one, and I do know they make short poles ala Snoopy Fishing Poles for kids. STeve i prefer the bail i MIGHT go into an outdoor store and ask if they have any snapped fibergalss fishing poles and pick up a reel for it |
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On Dec 11, 8:58 pm, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:40:59 -0500, Gerald Miller wrote: I don't know the truth of the matter, but the story was that on Friday afternoon, a pull string needed to be provided in 500' of 8" duct. One of the crew came back from the pet store with a rabbit which he harnessed to the string. When said rabbit refused to go more than ten feet into the duct, he pulled it back and applied a few drops of gasoline to the exhaust pipe. It was estimated the rabbit was doing 30 MPH when it came out the other end. Gerry :-)} London, Canada And the crewman with the bright idea of using gasoline on the animal was met at the other end of the conduit by a Humane Officer and the local Deputy Sheriff with the "matching bracelets" already out. Do not even kid about **** like that. Unless you want us to book the "Michael Vick Suite" for you at the regional Club Fed. There are more effective ways to do things like that - find a friend with a pet Ferret or two. They aren't stupid - once the Carpet Shark gets the idea that when they follow the sound of the ringing bell and come out the other end of the pipe they get their favorite treat, they'll be in and out faster than that rabbit ever could - and it won't hurt. And even at that you purge the pipes with a manhole blower first, to make sure there is good air inside. -- Bruce -- Even humans die by that. We lost two telecom construction guys in my province this summer Guy 1 forgot to check the manhole Guy 2 did what instinct told him and went after guy 1 Neither emerged |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:09:42 -0800 (PST), with neither quill nor
qualm, Brent quickly quoth: On Dec 11, 2:37 pm, Leon Fisk wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:20:34 -0800 (PST), Brent wrote: On Dec 10, 7:49 pm, Paul wrote: A guy at work sent me a link to a neat magnetic tool for fishing wires in walls and even under carpet, don't remember the brand name. I'll try to remember to forward the link from my work PC and post it here. Paul -- ----------------------------------------- It's a Linux world....well, it oughta be. ----------------------------------------- That sounds like my greenlee FISH STIX. they are in the cable fishing family of tools but unlike a fish tape you can PUSH it over and through open areas. Basically its 4' lengths of fishing rod with threaded ends and a hook or basket at the end that will easily let you push a cable out up to 24' they save HOURS working up in drop ceilings I always want to try using an RC 4x4 pulling a fish line on a drop ceiling. Now that the prices are affordable for such toys I don't do stuff like that anymore. I used to just grab a 9 foot low band antenna whip off the van and tie onto the end. Reach as far as a could with that and note which ceiling tile to pop up next. I didn't run stuff everyday or I would have made a better pole type system like you described. Still think that would be a good RC application and maybe make the job a bit more fun -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email Leon youre a genius =) the thought of usng an RC vehicle never crossed my mind but its SOOOOOO elegant and simple And it means i get to buy a fun toy when its not work time If you have a small, pistol-type crossbow, shoot the pull-line across. -- My future starts when I wake up every morning... Every day I find something creative to do with my life. -- Miles Davis |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:53:39 -0500, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
Well I KNOW mice have been used to get a pull line through condoit ----.(1.5 or 2") A job at Windsor airport in the fall of 1985 involved some 10,000 feet of 2, 4" ducts. The 20' lengths were laid out along the route prior to installation. After the ducts were all buried, came time to install string, then cable. To install the string (poly twine, actually), it was tied to a sponge which was then sucked through with a shop vac. Since the duct lengths had lain in the grass for several days, field mice had taken up residence, and when the sponge was vacuumed through, they ended up in the tank. The operator of the vacuum soon discovered that his machine was much lighter to carry if he emptied the mice out daily. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:58:07 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:40:59 -0500, Gerald Miller wrote: I don't know the truth of the matter, but the story was that on Friday afternoon, a pull string needed to be provided in 500' of 8" duct. One of the crew came back from the pet store with a rabbit which he harnessed to the string. When said rabbit refused to go more than ten feet into the duct, he pulled it back and applied a few drops of gasoline to the exhaust pipe. It was estimated the rabbit was doing 30 MPH when it came out the other end. Gerry :-)} London, Canada And the crewman with the bright idea of using gasoline on the animal was met at the other end of the conduit by a Humane Officer and the local Deputy Sheriff with the "matching bracelets" already out. Do not even kid about **** like that. Unless you want us to book the "Michael Vick Suite" for you at the regional Club Fed. There are more effective ways to do things like that - find a friend with a pet Ferret or two. They aren't stupid - once the Carpet Shark gets the idea that when they follow the sound of the ringing bell and come out the other end of the pipe they get their favorite treat, they'll be in and out faster than that rabbit ever could - and it won't hurt. And even at that you purge the pipes with a manhole blower first, to make sure there is good air inside. -- Bruce -- Which reminds me....got any good tips on using a Jet-Line gun? Pistol which launches a Co2 cart with a string attached through conduits? Im gonna need one tommorow. Gunner |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:06:47 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm,
Gunner quickly quoth: Which reminds me....got any good tips on using a Jet-Line gun? Pistol which launches a Co2 cart with a string attached through conduits? Sounds cool. JPGs at 11? Im gonna need one tommorow. Remember to leave an extra pull line in the conduit when you're done. -- My future starts when I wake up every morning... Every day I find something creative to do with my life. -- Miles Davis |
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"Brent" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 9:01 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "Brent" wrote in message ... On Dec 11, 6:44 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "Leon Fisk" wrote Somebody made a sling-shot, weight and string rig too. Nowadays someone would probably freak out and call the police if they saw you with a sling-shot... -- Leon Fisk Electricians in the convention industry in Las Vegas use sling shots with a Zebco reel taped on to shoot a nut carrying fishing line. They then pull a rope that pulls their cables through the bar joists that support the ceiling. Been doing it for quite a while. Steve I saw the greenlee cablecaster and as a kid i had a little fishing rod called a pocket fisherman. It was a closed face reel and about 18 inches long overall with a little peice of rod I am CURSING MYSELF for having lost it in the changes of houses because casting a nut or sinker with it would have been so nice. I never attached much faith in it as fishing equipment since i always used open bail reels from the age of about 8 onwards and it seemed like a gimmick or something to put in a suitcase I suddenly wish it was in my toolbox. Brent Ottawa Canada I got some 18" ice fishing poles and reels for Christmas last year. They are the bail type reels and not pushbutton type. But, I bet you could get a pushbutton one, and I do know they make short poles ala Snoopy Fishing Poles for kids. STeve i prefer the bail i MIGHT go into an outdoor store and ask if they have any snapped fibergalss fishing poles and pick up a reel for it Ugly Stik makes a 18" ice fishing model. Around twenty bucks, IIRC. Steve |
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"Brent" wrote i prefer the bail i MIGHT go into an outdoor store and ask if they have any snapped fibergalss fishing poles and pick up a reel for it Personally, I'd buy a Wrist Rocket and a Zebco pushbutton reel. IIRC, the wrist rocket is made of steel rod, and it would be easy to MIG a handle facing forward to mount the reel with hose clamps. I've seen those work, and they are sweet. I am a pretty good caster, but am not sure I could toss the nut where I wanted it with any regularity. Especially if I was shooting for a particular opening. Steve |
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"Wes" wrote in message ... Leon Fisk wrote: "The new RIDGID SeeSnake microT inspection camera allows you to easily perform visual inspections in hard to reach areas. Its lightweight, handheld design means that it can be carried anywhere - providing solutions when and where you need them, while allowing you to offer more services and increase productivity." I've used digicams a lot to see into places in machines rather than do the mirror and flash light routine. Wes Any recommendation on a brand/model? I've got a space on a piece of machinery I would like to monitor. Not terribly small, maybe 3"x3"x4", but there is the possibility of water spray and a slightly corrosive atmosphere. Bill |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:30:56 -0800 (PST), Brent
wrote: On Dec 11, 6:44 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "Leon Fisk" wrote Somebody made a sling-shot, weight and string rig too. Nowadays someone would probably freak out and call the police if they saw you with a sling-shot... -- Leon Fisk Electricians in the convention industry in Las Vegas use sling shots with a Zebco reel taped on to shoot a nut carrying fishing line. They then pull a rope that pulls their cables through the bar joists that support the ceiling. Been doing it for quite a while. Steve I saw the greenlee cablecaster and as a kid i had a little fishing rod called a pocket fisherman. It was a closed face reel and about 18 inches long overall with a little peice of rod I am CURSING MYSELF for having lost it in the changes of houses because casting a nut or sinker with it would have been so nice. I never attached much faith in it as fishing equipment since i always used open bail reels from the age of about 8 onwards and it seemed like a gimmick or something to put in a suitcase I suddenly wish it was in my toolbox. Brent Ottawa Canada Pocket Fisherman is still around. Take a look and choose your poison, everyone and their brother sells them: http://www.google.com/search?rls=en&...t+fisherman%22 It would be good to attach one to the RC of your choice too. Then the RC vehicle would be paying out line as it went, not having to drag it along. Just don't get too carried away, eventually you will have to reel it back in from some spot. I wouldn't go for the hottest slingshot either. When I used to fish with a bow & arrow the critical moment for the line is right at launch. If the line wasn't up to snuff it would snap right when it started stripping from the reel (commercial reel setup too). You would want a sling with a long weak draw, more of a lob type shot. The best method would be to shoot the reel. Maybe a shuttle used in weaving would work (shrug). -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:45:45 -0500, clare at snyder.on.ca
wrote: Drop ceilings were MADE for remote control trucks!!! I have an old BAHA buggy with the body taken off that I run in reverse across suspendend ceilings tied to a fish line.. If it gets stuck I jerk it back a bit and take another run at it. When it drops through the hole at the other end I tie my network cable to it and real in the fishline. For heavier cables I pull a pull rope through with the fishline, then use that to pull the heavy cable. I was hoping it would give me the excuse to buy a real good 4X4 with proportional control, but the old garage sale find has done the job well enough that I've been satisfied not spending the extra. Thanks Clare for the confirmation. I always though it would work great, but the "proof is in the pudding", or so they say. Sometimes you run into unforeseen problems with great ideas -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:54:17 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:06:47 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth: Which reminds me....got any good tips on using a Jet-Line gun? Pistol which launches a Co2 cart with a string attached through conduits? Sounds cool. JPGs at 11? Not much info on the net http://www.airgunforum.net/agf/index...ode=linearplus Im gonna need one tommorow. Remember to leave an extra pull line in the conduit when you're done. I always leave several. |
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Remember to leave an extra pull line in the conduit when you're done.
I always leave several. Shop vac and an appropriately sized foam rubber ball (with the first small pull string run through it) is one standard approach to the conduit problem, at least for empty conduit needing the first string run through. I suppose that compressed air at the feed end could also be used, but the shop vac at the far end is what I'm familiar with being actually used, and it seems easier to seal on. If there won't be idiots working in the conduit (and it there are, nothing will help as they'll yank out the extra pull strings, too) you can run a loop a few feet longer than the run and pull new wires without "using up" a pull string. -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by |
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I know someone who recently called the plumber with a raw sewage welling
up out of the basement toilet. The plumber ran a snake 35 feet down the clean out until it all drained. Then the plumber send his TV camera down the drain and a group of family members watched the rat's eye view of going down 35 feet to verity there were no more obstructions or breaks in the pipe. During the viewing, Grandpa flushed a toilet upstairs and the group got to see the drain in action with the toilet paper finale. |
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"BillM" wrote:
Any recommendation on a brand/model? I've got a space on a piece of machinery I would like to monitor. Not terribly small, maybe 3"x3"x4", but there is the possibility of water spray and a slightly corrosive atmosphere. You might ask on alt.machines.cnc . IIRC I saw a mazak nexus or something like that with a camera mounted inside the machining center a few years ago when I was at the Mazak facility in Kentucky. My post concerned using a digicam in an unpowered machine to get a peek at things I can't get my head in to see. Wes |
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:15:59 -0500, Wes wrote:
"BillM" wrote: Any recommendation on a brand/model? I've got a space on a piece of machinery I would like to monitor. Not terribly small, maybe 3"x3"x4", but there is the possibility of water spray and a slightly corrosive atmosphere. You might ask on alt.machines.cnc . IIRC I saw a mazak nexus or something like that with a camera mounted inside the machining center a few years ago when I was at the Mazak facility in Kentucky. My post concerned using a digicam in an unpowered machine to get a peek at things I can't get my head in to see. Wes Work area cameras are an option with many EDM machines. Maybe because they already had flame detectors. |
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