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Replacement Atlas Lathe Gears (group buy.... )
Hi All,
Ive been working on, for the past several months, an Atlas QC-54 that i bought for $300. Ive replaced everything that needed to and im looking to get new steel/cast iron gears for the entire geartrain. So, After calling clausing and finding out the prices for the necessary parts, and almost having a heart attack..... I believe i have found the correct pitches for the gears so that replacements can be made/ordered. Inside the QCGB,the right sidegears are a DP of 20 and the upper gear train from the spindle down into the left side of the gearbox, is a DP of 16. PA for all is 14.5. I was looking into getting replacements for all the cast alloy gears as well as some of the other gears that have been damaged in my gearbox. Since exact matches are not readily available (ie. facewidth, bore size, compound gears, etc.) some final machining of stock gears will be required. I planned to order gear rod stock of the gears that are part of the compound gears (16DP by 16 teeth) so that exact sizes needed can be parted off and machined thus minimizing extra machining. others like the 20dp 20t gears would be ordered as .375 face width and a .5 inch bore and could be machined/ ground to final fit. Bushings would be made from standard sintered bronze stock and can be made to original spec, or adapted to your liking. I would like to hear peoples interest in doing a group buy (since i can get things somewhat cheaper in quantity through my local bearing house). I havent figured out pricing at the moment but seeing as most of the labor in finished machining can be done on the lathe you are trying to repair we shoudl be able to save some cost considering clausing wants an average of $85 for each of the compound gear assemblies. Thanks, let me know what you think. |
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On Oct 29, 5:00 pm, Rex wrote:
wrote: Hi All, Ive been working on, for the past several months, an Atlas QC-54 that i bought for $300. Ive replaced everything that needed to and im looking to get new steel/cast iron gears for the entire geartrain. So, After calling clausing and finding out the prices for the necessary parts, and almost having a heart attack..... I believe i have found the correct pitches for the gears so that replacements can be made/ordered. Inside the QCGB,the right sidegears are a DP of 20 and the upper gear train from the spindle down into the left side of the gearbox, is a DP of 16. PA for all is 14.5. I was looking into getting replacements for all the cast alloy gears as well as some of the other gears that have been damaged in my gearbox. Since exact matches are not readily available (ie. facewidth, bore size, compound gears, etc.) some final machining of stock gears will be required. I planned to order gear rod stock of the gears that are part of the compound gears (16DP by 16 teeth) so that exact sizes needed can be parted off and machined thus minimizing extra machining. others like the 20dp 20t gears would be ordered as .375 face width and a .5 inch bore and could be machined/ ground to final fit. Bushings would be made from standard sintered bronze stock and can be made to original spec, or adapted to your liking. I would like to hear peoples interest in doing a group buy (since i can get things somewhat cheaper in quantity through my local bearing house). I havent figured out pricing at the moment but seeing as most of the labor in finished machining can be done on the lathe you are trying to repair we shoudl be able to save some cost considering clausing wants an average of $85 for each of the compound gear assemblies. Thanks, let me know what you think. I'd have been all over this a few years ago when I was doing exactly what you are doing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - lol, im afraid its more cost prohibitive and probably not worth the effort but its a nice idea i suppose. i believe the standard chage egars are ok for the 40 and 48 tooth gears on the yoke but the others are going to be custom. |
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nytrillium wrote:
On Oct 29, 5:00 pm, Rex wrote: wrote: Hi All, Ive been working on, for the past several months, an Atlas QC-54 that i bought for $300. Ive replaced everything that needed to and im looking to get new steel/cast iron gears for the entire geartrain. So, After calling clausing and finding out the prices for the necessary parts, and almost having a heart attack..... I believe i have found the correct pitches for the gears so that replacements can be made/ordered. Inside the QCGB,the right sidegears are a DP of 20 and the upper gear train from the spindle down into the left side of the gearbox, is a DP of 16. PA for all is 14.5. I was looking into getting replacements for all the cast alloy gears as well as some of the other gears that have been damaged in my gearbox. Since exact matches are not readily available (ie. facewidth, bore size, compound gears, etc.) some final machining of stock gears will be required. I planned to order gear rod stock of the gears that are part of the compound gears (16DP by 16 teeth) so that exact sizes needed can be parted off and machined thus minimizing extra machining. others like the 20dp 20t gears would be ordered as .375 face width and a .5 inch bore and could be machined/ ground to final fit. Bushings would be made from standard sintered bronze stock and can be made to original spec, or adapted to your liking. I would like to hear peoples interest in doing a group buy (since i can get things somewhat cheaper in quantity through my local bearing house). I havent figured out pricing at the moment but seeing as most of the labor in finished machining can be done on the lathe you are trying to repair we shoudl be able to save some cost considering clausing wants an average of $85 for each of the compound gear assemblies. Thanks, let me know what you think. I'd have been all over this a few years ago when I was doing exactly what you are doing.- Hide quoted text - I found the few QC gears I needed at some place in New Jersey or Noo Yawk, can't think of the guy's name, but he's closed and sold off what he could at scrap prices. |
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On Oct 29, 6:15 pm, Rex wrote:
nytrillium wrote: On Oct 29, 5:00 pm, Rex wrote: wrote: Hi All, Ive been working on, for the past several months, an Atlas QC-54 that i bought for $300. Ive replaced everything that needed to and im looking to get new steel/cast iron gears for the entire geartrain. So, After calling clausing and finding out the prices for the necessary parts, and almost having a heart attack..... I believe i have found the correct pitches for the gears so that replacements can be made/ordered. Inside the QCGB,the right sidegears are a DP of 20 and the upper gear train from the spindle down into the left side of the gearbox, is a DP of 16. PA for all is 14.5. I was looking into getting replacements for all the cast alloy gears as well as some of the other gears that have been damaged in my gearbox. Since exact matches are not readily available (ie. facewidth, bore size, compound gears, etc.) some final machining of stock gears will be required. I planned to order gear rod stock of the gears that are part of the compound gears (16DP by 16 teeth) so that exact sizes needed can be parted off and machined thus minimizing extra machining. others like the 20dp 20t gears would be ordered as .375 face width and a .5 inch bore and could be machined/ ground to final fit. Bushings would be made from standard sintered bronze stock and can be made to original spec, or adapted to your liking. I would like to hear peoples interest in doing a group buy (since i can get things somewhat cheaper in quantity through my local bearing house). I havent figured out pricing at the moment but seeing as most of the labor in finished machining can be done on the lathe you are trying to repair we shoudl be able to save some cost considering clausing wants an average of $85 for each of the compound gear assemblies. Thanks, let me know what you think. I'd have been all over this a few years ago when I was doing exactly what you are doing.- Hide quoted text - I found the few QC gears I needed at some place in New Jersey or Noo Yawk, can't think of the guy's name, but he's closed and sold off what he could at scrap prices.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Lucky you.... I live in the boonies of upstate NY so its hard to find people. There is a guy here somewhere i know of that cuts custom gears and has been doing it for almost 40 years. I may try contacting him if this doesnt work out. The other part of this was to replace the cast alloy gears with steel ones. |
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Ive checked, like i said i went to my local supplier and the only
things that boston and several other companies stock are tehir standards, they arent the same as the ones in the quick change. What htey call their "change" gears i beleve are direct replacements for the intermediate gears that are attached to the yoke on double keyed bushings. |
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nytrillium wrote:
Ive checked, like i said i went to my local supplier and the only things that boston and several other companies stock are tehir standards, they arent the same as the ones in the quick change. What htey call their "change" gears i beleve are direct replacements for the intermediate gears that are attached to the yoke on double keyed bushings. So contact Boston Gear, rather than the local supplier. Should take you less than two seconds to figure out which one of the two will have a better idea what Boston Gear sells. :-) And, they may be able to provide a quote for the stuff you need, if they do not list it as standard. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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On Oct 30, 8:53 pm, nytrillium wrote:
Ive checked, like i said i went to my local supplier and the only things that boston and several other companies stock are tehir standards, they arent the same as the ones in the quick change. What htey call their "change" gears i beleve are direct replacements for the intermediate gears that are attached to the yoke on double keyed bushings. I bought some stock Boston gears for my 10" SB. Not exact, but close enough to work with a little boring and broaching. |
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On Oct 31, 7:29 am, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Oct 30, 8:53 pm, nytrillium wrote: Ive checked, like i said i went to my local supplier and the only things that boston and several other companies stock are tehir standards, they arent the same as the ones in the quick change. What htey call their "change" gears i beleve are direct replacements for the intermediate gears that are attached to the yoke on double keyed bushings. I bought some stock Boston gears for my 10" SB. Not exact, but close enough to work with a little boring and broaching. Thats what i planned on doing. As we speak i am looking at the catalogs and getting the #'s i need. |
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