Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol

In article . com,
wrote:

Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

If you bought it at Wal-mart for $20, I'd bet a teenager with a
screwdriver could open it easily. What do you have to lose?

--
Free men own guns, slaves don't
www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/

If you own a drill, then drill the lock out. I've locked myself out of
the garage a few times and I ended up drilling out the lock and
replacing it later on.

Those Walmart safe boxes are easy to get into. I'd use a paper clip and a
thin blade screwdriver. Unbend the clip, insert it into the opening at the
thin point, this is where the tumblers are. Then put the thin blade
screwdriver in just a bit at the top. put pressure on the screwdriver to
turn to the left while doing this move the clip in and out until the lock
opens. It may take you awhile but you should be able to get in without
damaging the box. Once it is open you can buy a replacement for it.

Searcher

Why don't you just take it to your local locksmith and pay him $10 to
make a key?

- -
Rex B

wrote:
Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol

Hi... thanks for the advice. The problem is, someone told me that if I
went to a locksmith and had a key made, it would cost at least $25...
which is more than the box itself... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

On 17 May 2006 00:43:47 -0700, wrote:

Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol
Maybe walmart still sells 'em. If so, try their keys. I'll bet there
are not very many different keys for this box.
ERS

On 17 May 2006 00:43:47 -0700, wrote:
Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

Call your local locksmith. He probably can do it easily. If you can
carry it in to his shop, he can probably do it cheaply as well.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

This would probably be a 30 dollar job, give or take.

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol

See if your fire department wants to do some jaws practice maybe?

On 17 May 2006 00:43:47 -0700, wrote:

Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol
================
Save yourself a bunch of time and aggravation. Take it down to
your local lock and safe store. He can have it open in a few
minutes, possibly with no damage to the box and with no damage to
the contents.


Unka George
(George McDuffee)

There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy
which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations;
even a democrat like myself must admit this.

But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy,
for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with the "money touch,"
but with ideals which in their essence are merely those of so many glorified pawnbrokers.

Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919), U.S. Republican (later Progressive) politician, president. Letter, 15 Nov. 1913.

Take it to the local locksmith (or maybe just CALL them?), it won't cost
any money to find out what they would charge to get it open.

wrote:
Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol

On 17 May 2006 00:43:47 -0700, wrote:

Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Or learn to pick the (simple) lock. Try the MIT lock guide by "Ted the
tool". I don't have a link, but it's around all over the web.

LLoyd

In article . com,
wrote:

Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol

Can't hurt to call the locksmith and ask how to get in. The worst
that'll happen is that you get told to bring it in.
Also, try posting in alt.locksmithing.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

On 17 May 2006 14:54:26 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On 17 May 2006 00:43:47 -0700, wrote:
Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

Call your local locksmith. He probably can do it easily. If you can
carry it in to his shop, he can probably do it cheaply as well.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

This would probably be a 30 dollar job, give or take.

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol

See if your fire department wants to do some jaws practice maybe?

Perhaps I'm getting grizzled in m' old age, but for some reason I
doubt this poster can correctly identify th' contents *prior* to it
being opened. A good locksmith would ask such a question first.

Snarl

On Wed, 17 May 2006 11:20:52 -0700, wrote:
On 17 May 2006 14:54:26 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

Call your local locksmith. He probably can do it easily. If you can
carry it in to his shop, he can probably do it cheaply as well.

Perhaps I'm getting grizzled in m' old age, but for some reason I
doubt this poster can correctly identify th' contents *prior* to it
being opened. A good locksmith would ask such a question first.

Yeah, that's why I chose not to give specific directions. I don't know
the poster either, but assuming she's legit, it's still good advice. If
you need to ask how to open it, you're probably not qualified to follow
the directions.

These are always interesting questions. Folks show up from time to time
on the genealogy groups to look for a "missing living relative". How do
you know it's a legit request and not some stalker trying to get
hobbiests to do the sleuth work for them? I mean, it's too bad you have
to think that way but in the case of those queries the response is
usually "Dead people are easier to find, sorry." which is actually very
true.

wrote:

Hi... thanks for the advice. The problem is, someone told me that if I
went to a locksmith and had a key made, it would cost at least $25...
which is more than the box itself... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)



If it's the cheap clamshell type (like a small briefcase shape), there
is usually a clip or nut or both holding the main part of the lock in
place..when the lock is turned, a tab on the other side engages to lock
the thing. You can see the tab that's holding it closed on the opposite
end of the lock from the keyhole. When the little sliding spring clip
or nut is loosened (loosen nut and slide clip off sideways?) the lock
assembly goes loose in the hole and can be manipulated so that the thing
can be opened. Don't every buy one of these if you actually want
security. A little fire protection, maybe but not security.

Note...teens who hang around with the wrong crowd often get these cheap
safes thinking they can hide "personals" inside. Doesn't hurt to know
how to get it open in an emergency or suspected drug use. Of course
opinions will vary to all sides of the scale on that kind of invasion of
privacy. Not advocating either side here...every kid is different.

Koz

wrote:

Hi... thanks for the advice. The problem is, someone told me that if I
went to a locksmith and had a key made, it would cost at least $25...
which is more than the box itself... lol

Well, you have expensive locksmiths.

I lost my key to my Anvil briefcase and
a local locksmith made a new one for $10.

Not bad considering a replacement case
costs nearly $100.

That seems to be the going price here as well.

- -
Rex Burkheimer
Fort Worth TX

Jim Stewart wrote:
wrote:

Hi... thanks for the advice. The problem is, someone told me that if I
went to a locksmith and had a key made, it would cost at least $25...
which is more than the box itself... lol

Well, you have expensive locksmiths.

I lost my key to my Anvil briefcase and
a local locksmith made a new one for $10.

Not bad considering a replacement case
costs nearly $100.

wrote:
Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol



Sure sounds to me like you are asking how to get into that strongbox
without leaving signs of forced entry or removing it from its present
location long enough to take it to a locksmith's shop.

Why don't you just ask the rightful owner of the key to open the box for
you?

Don't bother answering, I'm a pretty good guesser...

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Life is like a sewer -- what you get out of it depends on what you put
into it."

Christopher Tidy wrote:
Jeff Wisnia wrote:

wrote:

Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol



Sure sounds to me like you are asking how to get into that strongbox
without leaving signs of forced entry or removing it from its present
location long enough to take it to a locksmith's shop.

Why don't you just ask the rightful owner of the key to open the box
for you?

Don't bother answering, I'm a pretty good guesser...

Jeff


You're right Jeff, well spotted. She says "it has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc." and yet in her next post
complains about the $25 cost of getting a new key made because it's $5
more than the cost of a new safe.

Chris


I certainly could be wrong, but "It's the way to bet."

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Life is like a sewer -- what you get out of it depends on what you put
into it."

Jeff Wisnia wrote:
wrote:

Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....

Is there an easy way for someone like me to bust the lock and get into
this thing? I am not concerned about destroying it as long as the
contents remain intact.

It is made of steel and is supposedly fireproof but I have no idea how
well the unit is actually constructed.

I just want a few ideas on how I can get into this thing without having
to visit a locksmith because right now my funds are a little
challenged.... lol

Thanks

LEESA (I)

PS: In a perfect world, something even I could do without having to
get someone to help me..... lol



Sure sounds to me like you are asking how to get into that strongbox
without leaving signs of forced entry or removing it from its present
location long enough to take it to a locksmith's shop.

Why don't you just ask the rightful owner of the key to open the box for
you?

Don't bother answering, I'm a pretty good guesser...

Jeff

You're right Jeff, well spotted. She says "it has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc." and yet in her next post
complains about the $25 cost of getting a new key made because it's $5
more than the cost of a new safe.

Chris

Well, thanks Jeff and Christopher for giving me the benifit of the
doubt. You guys have way too much time on your hands and your
imagination could be used much more constructivley.

"Sure sounds to me like you are asking how to get into that strongbox
without leaving signs of forced entry"

Well... I guess you don't read very well either. I mentioned in my
post I don't give a damn about whether or not the box is destroyed.
Sure, I want the contents to remain intact but I said nothing about
leaving no signs of forced entry.

I guess you want me to give you an itemized list of what's in the box
to see if it sounds legit (to you) before you will give me any respect.

Thanks so much for the people in here who took the post for what it's
worth without putting their own distorted "spin" on it like the two of
you did.

Thanks

LEESA (I)

On 17 May 2006 19:34:06 -0700, wrote:
Well, thanks Jeff and Christopher for giving me the benifit of the
doubt. You guys have way too much time on your hands and your
imagination could be used much more constructivley.

We don't know you, and they don't know them. When someone asks a
question with such an obvious answer that they are chosing not to go
with, it does make people wonder about motivation.

I guess you want me to give you an itemized list of what's in the box
to see if it sounds legit (to you) before you will give me any respect.

You're new to usenet, I'm guessing. Your post fits the pattern of
someone who is up to something, quite closely. Check out the
locksmithing group for probably dozens of current examples.


Thanks so much for the people in here who took the post for what it's
worth without putting their own distorted "spin" on it like the two of
you did.

You've got a lot to learn about how to not **** off people who you're
going to want help from again. Getting snarky with the group isn't
helping.

wrote:
Hi.. I have a metal STRONGBOX that I got at WalMart a few years back
for about $20 and have lost the key(s) to it. It has many important
documents inside including a little cash etc....



I am not going to buy into the debate of who you are or if your intent
is not pure,
BUT - if its a cheap box made by the million, the locksmith will be
able to look at it, reach to his key rack, and hand you one for $5.

If your mechanically challenged, hit it with an axe until it opens.

Andrew VK3BFA.

Just lurking here.

Dave, with all due respect, I do feel Leesa was sort of dissed by a
couple of the posters in this newsgroup.

Your points are no doubt valid as far as usenet etiquette is concerned
however so are Leesa's about giving someone the benifit of the doubt.

I always try to be fair and objective in my approach and even if I do
have suspicions about a post I tend to not assume anything either way
and deal with them in a fair and courteous manner.

In this case, and it's just "my gut" feeling, I believe the poster just
asked a question because she was frustrated with her situation and was
reaching out for some possible solutions.

Hopefully, the insight here will have helped her and she will now at
least have some input on which way to go from here.

Thank You

David

On 18 May 2006 07:47:16 -0700, wrote:
Just lurking here.

Dave, with all due respect, I do feel Leesa was sort of dissed by a
couple of the posters in this newsgroup.

That's fair enough, but it's human nature to suspect someone's
motivations when they're chosing not to do what seems to be incredibly
obvious - pick it up and carry it into an authority figure who can fix
the problem easily.

Your points are no doubt valid as far as usenet etiquette is concerned
however so are Leesa's about giving someone the benifit of the doubt.
I always try to be fair and objective in my approach and even if I do
have suspicions about a post I tend to not assume anything either way
and deal with them in a fair and courteous manner.

Hence my "take it to a locksmith". I didn't want to talk her through
picking a lock, even though it's trivial, because I don't know her.

Dave Hinz wrote:
On 18 May 2006 07:47:16 -0700, wrote:

Just lurking here.

Dave, with all due respect, I do feel Leesa was sort of dissed by a
couple of the posters in this newsgroup.


That's fair enough, but it's human nature to suspect someone's
motivations when they're chosing not to do what seems to be incredibly
obvious - pick it up and carry it into an authority figure who can fix
the problem easily.


Your points are no doubt valid as far as usenet etiquette is concerned
however so are Leesa's about giving someone the benifit of the doubt.
I always try to be fair and objective in my approach and even if I do
have suspicions about a post I tend to not assume anything either way
and deal with them in a fair and courteous manner.


Hence my "take it to a locksmith". I didn't want to talk her through
picking a lock, even though it's trivial, because I don't know her.


And I felt much the same way, though I was somewhat puzzled by her
willingness to destroy the box.

It was difficult for me to understand how, unless Leesa is a victim of
agrophobia or is totally lacking in friends with enough rudimentary
mechanical skills and tools to "destroy" it while opening it for her,
that I may have erred too far on the side of skepticism.

As I'm a lurker on alt.locksmithing I noticed she did post her plea
there and got the expected refusals of lockpicking information assistance.

Lockpicking was one of my several hobbies in college, and while my
activities in that regard while at "The Institute" predated the first
issuance of "The MIT Guide to Lockpicking" by some 30 years, it was
heartwarming to note that students in later classes were still intrigued
by those kinds of things.

So Leesa, if I misjudged your naivety as unscrupulousness, please accept
an apology from a guy who's been the attempted victim of more screws
than can be seen in three days at an erotic film festival.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Life is like a sewer -- what you get out of it depends on what you put
into it."

wrote:
Well, thanks Jeff and Christopher for giving me the benifit of the
doubt. You guys have way too much time on your hands and your
imagination could be used much more constructivley.

Well, if you're legitimate I apologise. It's just that once Jeff had
mentioned it, a couple of details in your story seemed a bit odd. At
first your priority was recovering your important documents, but in your
second post you wouldn't pay the locksmith $25 to open the safe because
it was $5 more than the cost of a new one, so then it seemed that you
just wanted the cheapest possible working safe. The two seemed a little
inconsistent. But if you're just frustrated and everything's on the
level, please accept my apologies.

As for getting inside the safe, you could read up on lockpicking
(assuming it isn't an electronic lock), take it to a locksmith, buy a
club hammer and cold chisel and break it open, or find some friendly
person with a magnetic drill who'll make an opening in the side. But
ultimately it wouldn't be hard to spend $25 on tools trying to open this
thing. You would probably be best visiting the locksmith.

Chris

In article , Jeff Wisnia
says...

So Leesa, if I misjudged your naivety as unscrupulousness, please accept
an apology from a guy who's been the attempted victim of more screws
than can be seen in three days at an erotic film festival.

Jeff

Do they still have those? I thought with the advent of the
internet, all those film festivals were sort of quaintly
archaic.

:^)

Honestly I don't think she was badly disrespected though. Anyone
who posts a question like that would expect to get that answer, and
should be able to present their case as such, and to ignore
any comments with sharp corners on them.

Basically this is the same thing on the motorcycle newsgroups, where
somebody asks 'how do I get this bike to run without the key?' to
which I invariably reply, "take it to your local police department,
they are often experts in this sort of thing."

:^) :^)

Jim


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jim rozen wrote:

In article , Jeff Wisnia
says...


So Leesa, if I misjudged your naivety as unscrupulousness, please accept
an apology from a guy who's been the attempted victim of more screws
than can be seen in three days at an erotic film festival.

Jeff


Do they still have those? I thought with the advent of the
internet, all those film festivals were sort of quaintly
archaic.

:^)

Honestly I don't think she was badly disrespected though. Anyone
who posts a question like that would expect to get that answer, and
should be able to present their case as such, and to ignore
any comments with sharp corners on them.

If anyone thinks she was badly disrespected here,
I'd suggest they try posing the question on
alt.locksmithing. Those people regularly melt
the face of anyone who requests any information
that might possibly be used for wrongdoing or
deprive a fellow locksmith of income.

jim rozen wrote:

In article , Jeff Wisnia
says...


So Leesa, if I misjudged your naivety as unscrupulousness, please accept
an apology from a guy who's been the attempted victim of more screws
than can be seen in three days at an erotic film festival.

Jeff


Do they still have those? I thought with the advent of the
internet, all those film festivals were sort of quaintly
archaic.

:^)


Maybe the film festivals aren't as prevalent as they used to be, but the
attempted screws sure are. Between my last post to this thread and this
one a three page fax containing a "dunning letter" came in from some
outfit called "The Official Yellow Pages" in Auburn, Maine. It was
addressed to our lead office assistant who's been with us for 26 years.

It claimed that in October 2005 "she personally" ordered a 2 year
listing in a yet to be published directory for a business name we
stopped using five years ago. They were looking for $299.95 plus $34.95
in late charges.

It went on to say they had a "legally binding audio recording" of her
agreeing to the purchase. There's no way she would have done that as she
knows very well that we never use Yellow Page advertising, and she only
places orders for stuff if asked to do so by "da boss".

I called 'em up and got a real snotty woman who tried to high pressure
me into paying the bill. I asked to hear the "audio recording" and she
played me a few seconds of a muffled voice saying, Yeah, uh-huh, uh-huh,
okay", which sounded nothing like our employee's voice.

When the scammer saw I wasn't budging she started talking "settlement".
I told her I'd settle just as soon as I saw a squadron of at least six
pigs fly by overhead.

Shoosh! I've half a mind to mail that fax to the AGs office in Maine
with a complaint letter.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Life is like a sewer -- what you get out of it depends on what you put
into it."

In article ,
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Shoosh! I've half a mind to mail that fax to the AGs office in Maine
with a complaint letter.

Jeff

Do that. They take this kind of thing rather seriously, as opposed to
some other states, IMO.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

Apologies accepted from both of you guys, Jeff and Christopher.

I guess you guys have much more posting experience than I do and I am
totally "green" about things of this nature.

You are correct. I have decided to just call around and find the
cheapest locksmith that make another key up for me.

What scared me off intitially was that some people I had talked to gave
me some prices which were much higher than what has been mentioned here
and I kinda just reacted.

It's not that I wanted to destroy the strongbox, It's just that I
didn't want to invest a lot of time and money getting into something
that basically amounts to a $20 fire retardant box.

I may play around with a paper clip and a narrow screwdriver as has
been suggested just for ****s and giggles but I am still gonna need
someone to make another key up.

Thanks guys, for all your help. I will post back with the final
results of this fiasco.... lol

Have a nice weekend!

LEESA (I)

Ecnerwal wrote:
In article ,
Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Shoosh! I've half a mind to mail that fax to the AGs office in Maine
with a complaint letter.

Jeff


Do that. They take this kind of thing rather seriously, as opposed to
some other states, IMO.


As a matter of fact I did just that. More later if anything comes of it.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Life is like a sewer -- what you get out of it depends on what you put
into it."