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Default The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street

On 30 Oct 2005 12:58:42 -0800, "Artie" wrote:

The End of Pensions
By ROGER LOWENSTEIN
Published: October 30, 2005
I. THE LATEST FINANCIAL DEBACLE

When I caught up with Robert S. Miller, the chief executive of Delphi
Corporation, last summer, he was still pitching the fantasy that his
company, a huge auto-parts maker, would be able to cut a deal with its
workers and avoid filing for bankruptcy protection. But he acknowledged
that Delphi faced one perhaps insuperable hurdle - not the current
conditions in the auto business so much as the legacy of the pension
promises that Delphi committed to many decades ago, when it was part of
General Motors. This was the same fear that had obsessed Alfred P.
Sloan Jr., the storied president of G.M., who warned way back in the
1940's that pensions and like benefits would be "extravagant beyond
reason." But under pressure from the United Auto Workers union, he
granted them. And as future auto executives would discover, pension
obligations are - outside of bankruptcy, anyway - virtually impossible
to unload. Unlike wages or health benefits, pension benefits cannot be
cut. Unlike other contracts, which might be renegotiated as business
conditions change, pension commitments are forever. And given the
exigencies of the labor market, they tend to be steadily improved upon,
at least when times are good.

For the U.A.W., Miller noted forlornly, "30 and Out" - 30 years to
retirement - became a rallying cry. Eventually, the union got what it
wanted, and workers who started on the assembly line after high school
found they could retire by their early 50's. "These pensions were
created when we all used to work until age 70 and then poop out at 72,"
Miller told me. "Now if you live past 80, a not-uncommon demographic,
you're going to be taking benefits for longer than you are working.
That social contract is under severe pressure."

Earlier this month, Miller and Delphi gave in to the pressure and
sought protection under the bankruptcy code - the largest such filing
ever in the auto industry. It followed by a few weeks the Chapter 11
filings of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines, whose pension
promises to workers exceeded the assets in their pension funds by an
estimated $16 billion.

The three filings have blown the lid off America's latest, if
long-simmering, financial debacle. It is not hedge funds or the
real-estate bubble - it is the pension system, both public and private.
And it is broken.

II. THE MORAL HAZARD OF INSURANCE

The amount of underfunding in corporate pension plans totals a
staggering $450 billion. Part of that liability is attributable to
otherwise healthy corporations that will most likely, in time, make
good on their obligations. But the plans of the companies that fail
will become the responsibility of the government's pension insurer, the
Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation. The P.B.G.C., which collects
premiums from corporations and, in theory, is supposed to be
self-financing, is deeply in the hole, prompting comparisons to the
savings-and-loan fiasco of the 1980's. Just as S. & L.'s of that era
took foolish risks in part because their deposits were insured, the
P.B.G.C.'s guarantee encouraged managements and unions to raise
benefits ever higher.

In such situations, individuals are tempted to take more risk than is
healthy for the group; economists, in a glum appraisal of human nature,
call it "moral hazard." In effect, America's pension system has been a
laboratory demonstration of moral hazard in which the insurance may end
up bankrupting the system it was intended to save. Given that pension
promises do not come due for years, it is hardly surprising that
corporate executives and state legislators have found it easier to pay
off unions with benefits tomorrow rather than with wages today. Since
the benefits were insured, union leaders did not much care if the
obligations proved excessive. During the previous decade especially,
when it seemed that every pension promise could be fulfilled by a
rising stock market, employers either recklessly overpromised or
recklessly underprovided - or both - for the commitments they made.

The P.B.G.C. is now $23 billion in the red - a deficit that is expected
to grow, significantly, as more companies go under. The balance sheet
for the end of September will very likely show a deficit of more than
$30 billion. If nothing is done to fix the system, the Congressional
Budget Office forecasts, the deficit will mushroom to more than $100
billion within two decades. This liability will almost certainly fall
back on the taxpayers, since the alternative to a bailout - letting the
pension agency fail - would force aging former auto workers and other
retirees onto the street.

As bad as that sounds, the problem of state and local government
pensions is even worse. Public pensions, which are paid by taxpayers
and thus enjoy an implicit form of insurance, are underfunded by a
total of at least $300 billion and arguably much more. While
governments have been winking at these deficits for years, they are now
becoming intolerable burdens for taxpayers. In San Diego, pension abuse
has effectively bankrupted the city. Thanks to a history of granting
sweeter and sweeter pension deals that it has neglected to fund, the
city has been forced to allocate $160 million, or 8 percent of the
municipal budget, to the San Diego City Employees Retirement System
this year, with similar allocations expected for years to come. San
Diego has tabled plans for a downtown library, cut back the hours on
swimming pools, gutted the parks and recreation budget, canceled needed
water and sewer projects and fallen behind on potholes.

State or local governments in New Jersey, New York, Illinois, Ohio,
West Virginia and elsewhere face similar budget strains aggravated by
runaway pension promises. According to Carl DeMaio, director of the
Performance Institute, which advocates better government
accountability, "There is a San Diego brewing in every community."

Not only are taxpayers certain to suffer, but senior citizens in the
future may also have to settle for less secure retirements anchored
only by Social Security and whatever they've managed to put away into
their 401(k) accounts. A backlash already has begun in state capitals,
where the political forces that have been lobbying for Social Security
reform have been rallying lawmakers to get out of the pension business
altogether. Alaska's Legislature recently passed a shotgun bill to deny
pensions to future employees. This mimics a trend in the private
sector, in which corporations have been leaving the system, either by
paying off their workers and terminating their pension plans or by
"freezing" their plans, a step recently taken by Hewlett Packard, so
that many current employees will no longer accrue benefits and new
employees will not participate at all.

If the pension system continues to wither, it is not hard to envision a
darker future in which - as was true until early in the 20th Century,
before the advent of pensions - many of the elderly would be forced to
keep working to stave off poverty.

III. THE SHRINKING PENSION SYSTEM

Congress has been debating legislation to fix the private system, but
it has been unable to resolve a basic tension: anything it does to ease
the burden on failing or failed pension plans lessens the penalty for
failure and enhances moral hazard. By making it easier for, say, a
Delta or a Delphi to offer benefits, it raises the possible cost of a
future bailout.

The tough medicine favored by the Bush administration, which would
eliminate loopholes in the system as well as much of the subsidy that
now exists in the insurance system, would lead to more companies
freezing their plans or leaving the system outright. The number of
pension plans would continue to shrink and in time all but disappear.
This would strip the elderly of the future of what is still the most
secure form of retirement income.

The fear of runaway pension costs plainly echoes the Social Security
debate, and many suspect that the Bush administration would not much
mind if pensions did disappear. "I don't think the administration is
very interested in creating a future for traditional pensions," says
Julia Coronado, a senior research associate at Watson Wyatt, a
human-resources consulting firm. "It doesn't fit very well with their
vision of the ownership society."

Bradley Belt, executive director of the P.B.G.C., shrugs off the
charge. "The last thing we want to do is chase people out of the
system," he says. Besides, the government doesn't need to chase. As
Belt points out, the number of workers covered by pensions is shrinking
without government help. In 1980, about 40 percent of the jobs in the
private sector offered pensions; now only 20 percent do. The trend is
probably irreversible, because it feeds on itself. Hewlett Packard, for
instance, must compete with younger companies like Dell Computer that
do not offer traditional pensions. Freezing its plan, which was a
legacy of the company's famously employee-oriented founders, was an
embarrassing step for H.P.'s present managers - but freeze it they did.

This may have made economic sense, but federal law has long recognized
a social purpose to pensions as well. By allowing companies to deduct
from taxes the money they contribute into their pension funds, the
government encourages employers to provide a safety net for their
workers. This remains a legitimate function, and if pensions were
allowed to die, we would need something to take their place.

IV. WHY PENSIONS MATTER

To understand why pensions are still important, you have to understand
the awkward beast that benefits professionals refer to as the U.S.
retirement system. It is not really one "system" but three, which
complement each other in the crudest of fashions. The lowest tier is
Social Security, which provides most Americans with a bare-bones living
(the average payment is about $12,000 a year). The highest tier,
available to the rich, is private savings. In between, for people who
do not have a hedge-fund account and yet want to retire on more than
mere subsistence, there are pensions and 401(k)'s. Currently, more than
half of all families have at least one member who has qualified for a
pension at some point in his or her career and thus will be eligible
for a benefit. And among current retirees, pensions are the
second-biggest source of income, trailing only Social Security.

During most of the 90's the decline in pension coverage was barely
lamented. It was not that big companies were folding up their plans
(for the most part, they were not) but that newer, smaller companies
weren't offering them. As the small companies grew into big ones (think
Dell, or Starbucks, or Home Depot), traditional pensions covered less
of the private-sector landscape. This did not seem like a very big
deal. Younger workers envisioned mobile careers for themselves and many
did not want pension strings tying them to a single employer. And most
were able to put money aside in 401(k)'s, often matched by an employer
contribution.

It happened that 401(k)'s, which were authorized by a change in the tax
code in 1978 and which began to blossom in the early 1980's, coincided
with a great upswing in the stock market. It is possible that they
helped to cause the upswing. In any case, Americans' experience with
401(k)'s in the first two decades of their existence was sufficiently
rosy that few people shed tears over the slow demise of pension plans
or were even aware of how significantly pensions and 401(k)'s differed.
But 401(k)'s were intended to be a supplement to pensions, not a
substitute.

From the beneficiary's standpoint, pensions mean unique security. The

worker gets a guaranteed income, determined by the number of years of
service and by his or her salary at retirement. And pensions don't run
dry; workers (or their spouses) get them as long as they live. Because
the employer is committed to paying a certain level of benefits,
pensions are known as "defined benefit" plans. Since an individual's
benefit rises with each year of service, the employer is supposed to
sock money away, into a fund that it manages for all of its
beneficiaries, every year. The point is that workers don't (or
shouldn't) have to worry about how the benefit will get there; that's
the employer's responsibility. Of course, the open-ended nature of the
guarantee - the very feature that makes pensions so attractive to the
individual - is precisely what has caused employers to rue the day they
said yes. No profit-making enterprise can truly gauge its ability to
meet such promises decades later.

A 401(k), on the other hand, promises nothing. It's merely a license to
defer taxes - an individual savings plan. The employer might contribute
some money, which is why 401(k)'s are known as "defined contribution"
plans. Or it might not. Even if the company does contribute, it offers
no assurance that the money will be enough to retire on, nor does it
get involved with managing the account; that's up to the worker. These
disadvantages were, in the 90's, somehow perceived (with the help of
exuberant marketing pitches by mutual-fund firms) to be advantages:
401(k)'s let workers manage their own assets; they were a road map to
economic freedom.

Post-bubble, the picture looks different. Various people have studied
how investors perform in their 401(k)'s. According to Alicia Munnell, a
pension expert at Boston College and previously a White House
economist, pension funds over the long haul earn slightly more than the
average 401(k) holder. Among the latter, those who do worse than
average, of course, have no protection. Moreover, pensions typically
annuitize - that is, they convert a worker's retirement assets into an
annual stipend. They impose a budget, based on actuarial probabilities.
This might seem a trivial service (some pensioners might not even
realize that it is a service). But if you asked a 65-year-old man who
lacked a pension but did have, say, $100,000 in savings, how much he
could live on, he likely would not have the vaguest idea. The answer is
$654 a month: this is the annuity that $100,000 would purchase in the
private market. It is the amount (after deducting the annuity
provider's costs and profit) that the average person could live on so
as to exhaust his savings at the very moment that he draws his final
breath.

So the question arises: what if he lives longer than average? This is
the beauty of a pension or of any collectivized savings pool. The
pension plan can afford to support people who live to 90, because some
of its members will expire at 66. It subsidizes its more robust members
from the resources of those who die young. This is why a 401(k) is not
a true substitute. Jeffrey Brown, an associate finance professor at the
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and a staff member of the
president's Social Security commission, notes that as baby boomers who
have nest eggs in place of pensions begin to retire, they will be faced
with a daunting question: "How do I make this last a lifetime?"

V. FROM MANAGEMENT TOOL TO EMPLOYEE BENEFIT

The country's first large-scale pension plan was introduced after the
Civil War, when the federal government gave pensions to disabled Union
Army veterans and war widows. Congress passed an act in 1890 that
extended pensions to all veterans 65 and over. This converted pensions
into a form of social welfare. Over the next 20 years, states and
cities added pensions for police officers and firefighters. By World
War I, most teachers had been granted pensions as well. Governments
couldn't offer big paychecks for workers - teachers, the police,
firefighters - so it offered stability and pensions instead.

In the private sector, the first pension was offered by American
Express, a stagecoach delivery service, in 1875. Railroads followed
suit. Employees were required to work for 30 years before they
qualified for benefits, and thus pensions helped companies retain
employees as well as ease older workers into retirement. These
employers thought of pensions as management tools, not as employee
"benefits." But in the first half of the 20th century, as the historian
James Wooten put it, government policies turned pensions into a tool of
social policy. First came the tax deduction. This feature was abused,
as companies used pensions to shelter payments to their executives. The
rules were gradually tightened, however, forcing plans to include the
rank and file. World War II gave more incentives to create pensions:
punitive tax rates made the pension shelter enormously attractive and a
government freeze on wages meant that pensions were the only avenue for
increasing compensation.

The effect of these policies was to encourage unions to bargain for
pensions and to pressure employers to grant them. After the war, John
L. Lewis, the legendary labor leader, staged a strike to win pensions
for miners. Ford Motor capitulated to the U.A.W. in 1949. G.M., headed
by the reluctant Sloan, followed in 1950. This led to a so-called
pension stampede; by 1960, 40 percent of private-sector workers were
covered. Meanwhile, in the auto industry, the seeds of the problem were
already visible.

Companies might establish plans, but many were derelict when it came to
funding them. When companies failed, the workers lost much of their
promised benefit. The U.A.W. was acutely aware of the problem, because
of the failing condition of several smaller car manufacturers, like
Packard. The union didn't have the muscle to force full funding, and
even if it did, it reckoned that if the weaker manufacturers were
obliged to put more money into their pension funds, they would
retaliate by cutting wages.

Thus in 1959, Studebaker, a manufacturer fallen on hard times, agreed
to increase benefits - its third such increase in six years. In return,
the U.A.W. let Studebaker stretch out its pension funding schedule.
This bargain preserved the union's wages, as well as management's hopes
for a profit, though it required each to pretend that Studebaker could
afford a pension plan that was clearly beyond its means. Four years
later, the company collapsed.

The Studebaker failure was a watershed. Thousands of employees,
including some who had worked 40 years on the line, lost the bulk of
their pensions. Stunned by the loss, which totaled $15 million, the
U.A.W. changed its tactics and began to lobby in earnest for federal
pension insurance. A union pension expert tellingly explained to Walter
Reuther, the U.A.W. chief, that insurance would reconfigure the
"incentives" of both labor and management. Though business was
skeptical of the idea, a decade later, in 1974, Congress finally passed
the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, or Erisa, which, among
other protections, established the P.B.G.C. to insure private pensions.
Erisa, according to Wooten, who wrote a history of the act, completed
the transition of pensions into a part of the social safety net. It was
also the birth of moral hazard.

VI. THE SURPRISINGLY PLIABLE SYSTEM OF PENSION ACCOUNTING

Erisa, which would be amended several times, was supposed to ensure
that corporate sponsors kept their plans funded. The act includes a
Byzantine set of regulations that seemingly require companies to make
timely contributions. As recently as 2000, most corporate plans were
adequately funded, or at least appeared to be. Their assets took a
serious hit, however, when the stock market tumbled. (In retrospect,
they had been cavalier in assuming the bull market would continue.) And
they were burned again when interest rates fell.

Since pension liabilities are, for the most part, future liabilities,
companies calculate their present obligation by applying a discount
rate to what they will owe in the future. As interest rates move lower,
they have to set more money aside because it is assumed that their
assets will grow more slowly. The principle is familiar to any
individual saver: you need to save more if you expect, say, a 5 percent
return on your investment instead of a 10 percent return. What is much
in dispute is just which rate is proper for pension accounting.

Corporations have been gaming the system by using the highest rates
allowable, which shrinks their reported liabilities, and thus their
funding requirements. The P.B.G.C., when calculating the system's
deficit, uses what is in effect a market rate; whatever it would cost
to buy annuities for everyone covered in a pension plan is, it argues,
the plan's true "liability." The difference between these measures can
be extreme. Depending on whom you talk to, General Motors' mammoth
pension fund is either fully funded or, as the P.B.G.C. maintains, it
is $31 billion in the hole.

What is not in dispute is that when interest rates fell, the present
value of pension liabilities (by whatever measure) soared. The
confluence of falling stock prices, plunging interest rates and a
recession in the beginning of this decade was the pension world's
equivalent of the perfect storm. An unprecedented wave of pension
sponsors failed and then dumped their obligations on the P.B.G.C. (To
do so, a sponsor generally must prove that it could not re-emerge as a
viable enterprise without shedding its pension plan.) By far the most
costly failures were in airlines and steel, although the list ranges
from Kemper Insurance and Kaiser Aluminum to Murray, a lawn-mower
manufacturer.

As the P.B.G.C. assumed responsibility for more and more pensioners, it
became clear that the premium it charged was way too cheap. Mispriced
insurance, like mispriced anything, sends the market a distorted
signal. Belt, the P.B.G.C. director, who served as counsel to the
Senate Banking Committee in the late 1980's during the savings-and-loan
crisis, says that cheap pension insurance gave rise to flawed
incentives: namely it kept companies in the pension business who didn't
deserve to be there. He also argues, rather convincingly, that lax
rules allowed pension sponsors to get away with inadequate funding.

For example, United Airlines did not make contributions to any of its
four employee plans between 2000 and 2002, when it was heading into
Chapter 11, and made minimal contributions in 2003. Even more
surprisingly, in 2002, after two of its jets had been turned into
weapons in the Sept. 11 disaster, and when the airline industry was
pleading for emergency relief from Congress, United granted a 40
percent increase in pension benefits for its 23,000 ground employees.

Bethlehem Steel similarly enjoyed a three-year funding holiday as it
was going through hard times, letting its liabilities swell in advance
of turning them over to the government. Meanwhile, in order to gain its
unions' approval for plant shutdowns, it agreed to costly benefit
enhancements. In 2001 Bethlehem filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It was
guided through its bankruptcy by none other than Miller, now the Delphi
C.E.O. Miller disputes the notion that capital-scarce companies like
Bethlehem intentionally game the system by shirking funding. "Companies
don't like falling behind," he says. "When you have a hard choice
between starving the capital base to feed the pension plan, or making
capital investments to become more productive, to the extent there is
permission that's what you do." The point is, they had permission.

Neither Bethlehem nor United broke any laws. Both companies made the
full contributions required under Erisa. When the P.B.G.C. seized their
plans, however, Bethlehem was only 45 percent funded, and United was
only 42 percent funded. For companies that terminate their pension
plans, such gross underfunding has become the norm. Either assets
suddenly vanish when the P.B.G.C. walks in the door, or, evidently, the
system for measuring "full" funding is broken. As Belt testified to the
Senate Committee on Finance in June, "United, US Airways, Bethlehem
Steel, LTV and National Steel would not have presented claims in excess
of $1 billion each - and with funded ratios of less than 50 percent -
if the rules worked."

Even leaving aside the debate over which rate to use in calculating
pension liabilities, there is no doubt that Erisa permits companies to
use some doubtful arithmetic. For instance, the law lets corporations
"smooth" changes in their asset values. If the stocks and bonds in
their pension funds take a hit (as happened to just about every fund
recently), they don't have to fully report the impact. Nor do they have
to ante up fresh funds to compensate for the loss for five years. A
similar smoothing is permitted on the liability side. And though, in
theory, Erisa discourages underfunding by requiring offenders to pay
higher premiums, its various loopholes render the sanction toothless.
Thanks to another loophole, companies that contribute more than the
required amount get to skip future contributions even if they later
become underfunded. These companies are awarded so-called "credit
balances," which remain in place even if the actual balance is showing
red.

Incredibly, when United's plans were terminated, earlier this year,
even though they were groaning under $17 billion in pension liabilities
and a mere $7 billion in assets, they still had credit "balances"
according to Erisa. (By law, the P.B.G.C. will be on the hook for most,
but not all, of United's shortfall. The agency guarantees pensions up
to $45,000 a year; employees, mostly pilots, who were owed richer
pensions are uninsured above the cap.)

Their dubious funding history notwithstanding, corporations - airlines
in particular - have been lobbying for greater permissiveness for
several years. And they have gotten it. Congress has twice relaxed the
rules, permitting pension sponsors to use a higher rate to calculate
their liabilities.

VII. WHAT BUSH WOULD DO?

Enter the Bush administration: it has essentially declared the era of
permissiveness over. Among other changes, it wants the funding rules
tightened. To tackle moral hazard, it wants to stop companies with poor
credit ratings from granting benefit hikes, or from doling out unfunded
pension benefits to unions who agree to plant shutdowns. It even wants
to prevent workers at some companies whose bonds are given a "junk"
rating from accruing more years of service. This would be painful to
employees at many industrial companies, possibly including G.M.

Indeed, one reading of the administration proposal is that, having seen
the steel and airline industries raid the P.B.G.C., it is drawing the
line at the auto industry - whose initial distress, of course, prompted
the agency's founding. Asked about that before Delphi went bust, Belt
admitted: "Eight auto-parts suppliers have come under Chapter 11 so far
this year. No question our single largest source of exposure is the
auto sector."

Since G.M.'s stock was downgraded to junk status earlier this year, the
possibility that it would file for bankruptcy has been the subject of
on-again, off-again debate on Wall Street. G.M.'s pension plan totals
an astronomical $90 billion; a bankruptcy filing would be the
P.B.G.C.'s biggest nightmare. G.M. says the notion is far-fetched. The
company seems to have plenty of liquidity and, just two weeks ago, with
retiree costs a major concern, it reached an agreement with the U.A.W.
to trim health benefits. G.M. and other industrial companies, along
with their unions, have harshly attacked the Bush pension proposal,
which would force many old-economy-type corporations to put more money
into their pension funds just when their basic businesses are hurting.

Alan Reuther, Walter's nephew and the U.A.W.'s legislative director,
says the provisions to restrict benefits would be "totally devastating
for workers and retirees." He makes no apologies for "30 and out" - a
fair reward, he maintains, for hard service on the assembly line - and
he wonders at the post-modern notion that blue-collar workers should be
responsible for their own retirements because giant corporations can't
handle it. Also, a typical G.M. pension for someone with 30 years on
the job is about $18,000 a year. That is hardly to be compared with an
airline pilot's. "The P.B.G.C. is focused on protecting themselves from
claims and not on protecting the claims of workers," he says. "They
forget why they were created." Social safety nets have their price - in
this case, a little moral hazard - and that is really what the debate
is about.

What has emerged from the Beltway skirmishing thus far are bills on
either side of Congress that would in some ways tighten funding but
give a special break to airlines. Premiums to the P.B.G.C. would rise
from $19 per plan participant to $30, and variable premiums on
distressed companies would be enforced. The bills would chip away (but
not eliminate) gimmicks like "smoothing."

The Senate is still divided, however, on how to treat corporations with
junk credit ratings - the ones most likely to wind up in the P.B.G.C.'s
lap. Hard-liners like Senator Chuck Grassley insist they should be
forced to strengthen their pension plans in a hurry; Senators Mike
DeWine and Barbara Mikulski (both from states with blue-collar
constituencies) want to give such companies lenience. So after months
of lobbying, politicking and deal making, moral hazard is still alive.

VIII. PENSION VS. POTHOLES

The P.B.G.C. does not protect government pensions, but dynamics similar
to those in the private sector have also wrecked the solvency of public
plans. Even in states where budget restraint is gospel, public-service
employees have found it relatively easy to get benefit hikes for the
simple reason that no one else pays much attention to them. In the
corporate world, stockholders, at least in theory, exert some pressure
on managers to show restraint. But who are the public sector
"stockholders"? The average voter doesn't take notice when the
legislature debates the benefits levels of firemen, teachers and the
like. On the other hand, public-employee unions exhibit a very keen
interest, and legislators know it. So benefits keep rising.

As a matter of practice, those benefits are as good as insured. Because
public pension benefits are legally inviolable, default is not an
option. Sooner or later, taxpayers will be required to put up the money
(or governments will be forced to borrow the money and tax a later
generation to pay the interest). Thus, unions can bargain for virtually
any level of benefits without regard to the state's ability, or its
willingness, to fund them. This creates moral hazard indeed. At least
in the private sphere, there are rules - ineffectual rules maybe, but
rules - that require companies to fund. In the public sector,
legislatures wary of raising taxes to pay for the benefits that they
legislate can simply pass the buck to the future. This explains how the
West Virginia Teachers Retirement System has, embarrassingly, only 22
percent of the assets needed to meet its expected liabilities. It also
explains how Illinois, a low-tax state, is underfunded by some $38
billion, or $3,000 per every man, woman and child in the state.

California is a good example of the political forces that have driven
benefits higher. In the 90's, Gov. Gray Davis, a Democrat who was
strongly supported by public-employee unions, pushed through numerous
bills to increase benefits. One raised the pension of state troopers
retiring at age 50 to 3 percent of final salary times the number of
years served. (Previously, the formula was 2 percent at age 50, more if
you were older.) Thus, a cop hired at age 20 could retire at 50, find
another job and get a pension equal to 90 percent of his final salary.

The higher benefits trickled down to the local level, as counties that
feared losing police officers to the state felt forced to copy the
formula. Counterintuitively, as benefits were going up, the California
Public Employees Retirement System (Calpers), which was boasting high
returns in the stock market, allowed state agencies and local
governments to reduce their contributions.

Contra Costa County, which adopted the "3 percent at 50" formula for
its Police Department, got by with contributing only $55 million to
retirement costs in 1999, near the market peak. When the market tanked,
the county found itself with lower assets and greater obligations. Six
years later, the county's retirement bill had more than tripled to $180
million. Bill Pollacek, the county treasurer-tax collector, says the
excess earnings from the bull market were spent, among other things, on
higher benefits; "the losses were left for the taxpayers."

This example was repeated with various twists across the country. In
New Jersey, for example, Christine Whitman, the Republican governor in
the 90's, ultimately relied on buoyant stock-market predictions to
finance hefty tax cuts, which were the centerpiece of her
administration. In 1997, New Jersey borrowed $2.8 billion, at an
interest rate of 7.64 percent. The money was advanced to its pension
system, on the convenient theory that its pension managers would make
more in the market than the state paid out in interest. For a while,
they did. The state even raised benefits.

Meanwhile, Trenton achieved a sort of transitory budget balance by
contributing less to its pension system. New Jersey's contribution to
the Police and Firemen's Retirement System was zero in 2001 through
2003. But during the dot-com debacle, its investments plunged. And the
state came under intense budget pressure because of the recession, and
so gave itself a few years more to start paying down its pension
liability (which further widened the gap). This year, the last
easy-funding year, New Jersey will contribute $220 million to its
pension system; by 2010, the annual bill will be an impossible-seeming
$2.5 billion.

I spoke to Jon Corzine and Doug Forrester, the candidates in next
Tuesday's gubernatorial election, and while each expressed the proper
horror with regard to past mismanagement, neither had much to say about
how they would replenish New Jersey's pension system. State pension
officials say that if New Jersey were a private corporation, its system
would be nearly bankrupt. "In the real world this is a P.B.G.C.
takeover," Fred Beaver, the head of the pension division, told me.
Raising taxes is politically forbidden (Forrester has been campaigning
to cut property-tax rates).

And the state's reported pension underfunding, officially $25 billion,
is undoubtedly optimistic. It assumes that New Jersey's pension assets
will earn 8.25 percent, a number collectively determined - some say
pulled from thin air - by the state's pension council. Even Orin
Kramer, a private hedge-fund manager who also is also chairman of the
council, says that any assumption higher than 7.5 percent is
unrealistic. "The published numbers are divorced from economic
reality," Kramer says. "No one even does the math for what will happen
if you only do 7 percent because it's too serious. You start firing
cops and teachers."

According to Barclay's Global Investors, if you use realistic
assumptions, the total underfunding in all public plans is on the order
of $460 billion. If this figure is even close to true, future taxpayers
will be hopelessly in hock to the police, firefighters and teachers of
the past.

Cutting pensions (unlike health benefits) is simply not an option.
State constitutions forbid public entities, even prospectively, from
reducing the rate at which employees accrue benefits. They can tinker
with, or abolish, benefits for future employees, as Alaska did, but for
a worker already on the payroll, benefits - even benefits that might
not be earned for many decades hence - are sacrosanct. These benefits
are like headless nails; once driven in they can never be removed. This
year, New York's Legislature approved 46 new bills - more headless
nails - to increase pension benefits, according to E.J. McMahon, an
analyst at the Manhattan Institute. New York's benefits already rank
among the most generous in the country, and the new bills would expand
categories of workers who can retire early, or who can qualify for
higher rates. Such bracket creep is pervasive.


One of the biggest pension offenders is San Diego, where six members of
the pension board, including the head of the local firefighters' union
and two other union officials, have been charged with violating the
state's conflict-of-interest code, a felony. What is interesting about
San Diego is that, juicy details aside, its pension mess actually looks
rather commonplace. The six board members are accused of making a deal
to let City Hall underfund the pension system in return for agreeing to
higher benefits - including special benefits for themselves. Explicitly
or otherwise, this is what unions and legislators have been doing all
over the country. A senior adviser on pensions to Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger told me he fears that ever higher benefits are
inescapable, given the fact that legislators control the benefits of
people whose support is vital in elections.

Calpers, the country's biggest state-employee retirement system,
responds that the pension system has worked well. And for Calpers's 1.4
million members, it has. The average benefit for retirees is $21,000 a
year, more than most at General Motors. But at some point, the interest
of the public and the interests of public employees diverge.

Earlier this year, Schwarzenegger tried to move California to a
401(k)-style defined contribution plan (for new employees), but the
Legislature refused to go along. Schwarzenegger has vowed to revisit
the issue in 2006. This battle is being fought from statehouse to
statehouse. Michigan (mimicking Alaska) has closed its pension plan to
some new employees, and various states, including Florida, Colorado,
South Carolina, Arizona, Ohio and Montana, are taking a partial step of
letting employees choose between defined contribution plans and
traditional pensions. This compromise does not really change much. Most
employees who are given the choice opt, quite naturally, to keep their
pensions.

Partly for that reason, the Citizens Budget Commission, a politically
neutral watchdog, concluded that only by ending pensions outright (for
new employees) could New York avert a future fiscal calamity. "Changes
in pension benefits for future workers would yield fiscal gains only
slowly," the commission noted in a position paper, "but the service to
the future fiscal health of the City and State would be enormous."

Most legislatures are not about to do that anytime soon. There is a
legitimate argument for preserving public pensions, however, if only
they could be put on a sound fiscal basis. Critics like Grover
Norquist, the tax-cut crusader, lampoons pensions as remnants of a
stodgy, Old World economy. The desire to collect a pension, he argues,
keeps workers from moving to better opportunities and shackles
employers to workers who are just marking time.

But while mobility is generally considered a virtue in the modern
economy, it isn't appropriate everywhere. It may be desirable for a
software engineer to move from job to job, notes Robert Walton, a
Calpers assistant executive; "for teachers, firefighters, nurses,
engineers, that isn't the type of work force you want." Stability is a
virtue. The trick is to force legislatures to commit to funding with
the same zeal with which they commit to benefits.

De Maio, the San Diego watchdog, is lobbying for a federal law that
would impose Erisa-type rules on public plans. Another solution might
be found in the Texas Municipal Retirement System, which represents 800
cities and towns in the state. It has a blended system of automatic
employer and employee contributions that are managed by the system and
turned into an annuity upon retirement. These sorts of remedies could
avert plenty of future San Diegos. In principle they are quite simple.
It is only the politics that are difficult.

IX. HOW DO YOU MAKE SAVINGS LAST A LIFETIME?

On the private side, benefits professionals have been touting so-called
cash-balance plans, a hybrid that in some ways looks like a 401(k), as
the best hope for saving the pension industry. With a traditional
pension, employees accrue benefits very slowly during their first 20
years and very rapidly during their next 10 (this is why pension plans
act as retention tools; you pay a penalty for leaving early). Thus, an
employee who stays at a company for 30 years gets a much bigger pension
than one who works at three companies for 10 years each. Cash-balance
plans were devised to appeal to younger workers, most of whom do not
envision retiring at the firm that hired them out of college. In these
plans, employees accrue benefits steadily, one decade to the next.
There is no penalty for leaving, and workers who change jobs simply
roll their accrued benefits into their next plan, as with a 401(k).
Many firms converted to cash-balance plans in the 90's to attract
younger and more mobile workers.

But the downside of giving more to junior employees is that senior
employees get less. When I.B.M. converted, it reduced the rate at which
some employees of long standing would accrue benefits, touching off a
firestorm. The company was sued, I.B.M. lost and the legal status of
similar plans remains in doubt. The pension industry has been lobbying
Congress to clarify the status of existing cash-balance plans, but
neither the administration nor anyone on Capitol Hill has done so.

To some people, this is further evidence that the Bush administration
would just as soon be done with pension plans altogether. I put that
recently to Elaine Chao, the secretary of labor, and while her answer
was diplomatic, she made no bones about the fact that, in the
administration's view, traditional pensions are losing their relevance.
"Defined benefit plans have their advantages," she told me, "but in an
increasingly mobile 21st-century work force, the lack of flexibility of
D.B. plans is yielding to greater usage of defined contributions
plans."

It's hard to argue with her, if you look at the numbers. Although 44
million people are covered by private-sector plans, half are people who
have already retired and are collecting benefits or whose plans have
been frozen or terminated. In other words, on-the-job employees
accruing benefits - once the backbone of the system - constitute only
half. At that rate, even without legislation, the private-sector
pension community will mostly die off in a generation.

And pension sponsors are likely to get another jolt soon. Under current
accounting standards, companies can "smooth" their earnings reports, so
that each quarter's net income reflects the average assumed performance
of the company's pension assets, whether up or down, but not the actual
performance. (Discrepancies from the average are sifted back into the
earnings stream over time.) This means that reported earnings are often
wildly misleading. Robert Herz, chairman of the Financial Accounting
Standards Board, has criticized this practice as "a Rube Goldberg
device." If FASB follows up and disallows it, corporate pension
sponsors would have to cope with a lot more volatility in their
earnings. Managers hate volatility, and such a change would prompt many
of them to fold their plans.

If defined benefits are on their last legs, then it would make sense to
try to incorporate their best features into 401(k)'s. The drawback to
401(k)'s, remember, is that people are imperfect savers. They don't
save enough, they don't invest wisely what they do save and they don't
know what to do with their money once they are free to withdraw it.
Quite often, they spend it.

Here there is much the government could do. For instance, it could
require that a portion of 401(k) accounts be set aside in a lifelong
annuity, with all the security of a pension. Behavioral economists like
Richard Thaler have demonstrated that you can change people's behavior
even without mandatory rules. For instance, by making a high
contribution rate the "default option" for employees, they would tend
to deduct (and save) more from their paychecks. If you make an annuity
a prominent choice, more people will convert their accounts into
annuities.

Otherwise, it's not hard to predict that as octogenarians and
nonagenarians become commonplace in society, many are going to outlive
their savings, which is even more scary than outliving the savings of
the P.B.G.C. Promoting an annuity culture is probably the single best
way to make up for the demise of pensions. Yet most companies that
provide 401(k)'s don't even give the option of purchasing an annuity
when people cash in their accounts. As Brown, the Illinois professor,
notes, "There is no box to check that says 'annuities."' That is a
minor scandal. "I wish someone in Washington were thinking bigger
thoughts about what the optimal retirement package should look like,"
says Watson Wyatt's Coronado.

What are Secretary Chao's thoughts? She bounced the question to the
Treasury Department. Mark Warshawsky, the Treasury's top economist, has
written about the need for annuities, and in an interview he allowed
that as 401(k)'s become the primary, or the only, source of retirement
income for more people, "I think it is a concern that annuities are not
being offered in those plans." When I asked what the Treasury was doing
about encouraging annuities, Warshawsky merely said that it was under
study. Anything that smacks of regulation (like rules to make sure
employees get a particular menu of choices, whether for annuities or
for their portfolios) gives the administration shivers. This is what
you would expect, given the administration's strong free-market
tendencies.

But the government is already deeply involved, since it shelters
retirement savings - pensions, yes, but also 401(k)'s, which are
similarly permitted to grow tax-free. When it passed Erisa, Congress
agreed that corporations that invested tax-sheltered retirement funds -
pensions - should have to live by certain rules. But in the defined
contribution world - the world of 401(k)'s - there are no rules.
Employers can contribute or not. Employees can diversify or blow it all
on the company stock (even if it is Enron). If nothing else, the
century-long experiment with pensions has proved that in the absence of
the right rules, the money will not always be there. The purpose of
pension reform should be not merely to avoid a fiscal disaster but to
find a fiscally sound way to preserve the likelihood of secure
retirements. If people are going to retire on 401(k)'s, those should be
subject to rules, and guidance, as well.

It would be nice to think that reform would include a future for
pensions, but on the private side at least, it is doubtful. As Delphi's
Miller put it simply: "A pension plan makes no sense in today's world.
It's not wise for a company to make financial promises 40 or 50 years
down the road." Most American executives would agree. Miller says he
has not decided what to do at Delphi. If workers grant wage
concessions, he has said, the pension plan, which is $4.5 billion shy
of what it needs, might even survive. This has the sound of a
bargaining ploy. Knowing that the P.B.G.C.'s guarantee is in place, the
unions will probably insist on keeping their wages as close to intact
as they can, and Miller will probably end up handing the pension plan
over to the agency, just as he did at Bethlehem. Then, Miller and other
executives will get stock and dandy bonuses in a new Delphi that is
happily stripped of pension obligations, and some 45,000 employees and
retirees will, in time, happily collect their pensions - courtesy of
the U.S. Government. Moral hazard at work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/ma...pagewanted=all


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funny how that happens, people voting Republican. last I heard you were
claiming the Republicans stole the election(s).

Typical lib-tard flip-flop.

Oh - I guess your entry in my kill file expired. Better fix that
pinko

Tillman

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On 31 Oct 2005 05:59:39 -0800, "tillius"
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funny how that happens, people voting Republican. last I heard you were
claiming the Republicans stole the election(s).

Typical lib-tard flip-flop.

Oh - I guess your entry in my kill file expired. Better fix that
pinko

Tillman


Every Republican best put their waders on for the next couple
weeks...since Bush nominated Alito...the Dems are going to be ****ting
and ****ing in all directions. Hummm...maybe a Tyvek suit might be
appropriate.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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Cliff et al.

It is not the Demopublicans or the Republocrats -- it is the
system.

As Townsand wisely observed in his book "Up the Organization," --
never attempt the impossible as you are bound to fail.

Operationally we have attempted to create a financial perpetual
motion machine, whereby an endless stream of [real] income will
be generated with no further effort on our part. This is just as
impossible in the holistic economic sense as in the physical
sense, and the US citizens are about to pay the price for
attempting it.

While there are some moral/ethical implications, it appears that
the movers and shakers have realized the rapidly approaching
crackup and are getting as much out as they can before everything
goes down the tubes.

Company pensions are only a part, albeit a large part, of the
problem. The implosion of the real estate bubble will make the
dot com [con?] bubble seem like chump change.

Why do I keep hearing "apres moi la deluge" as Allen Greenspan
edges closer to the door?

GmcD







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On 30 Oct 2005 12:58:42 -0800, "Artie" wrote:

The End of Pensions
By ROGER LOWENSTEIN
Published: October 30, 2005

huge snip
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Cliff wrote:

as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street


I can't envision a better place for you...... you will have NO internet
access there ! Yipeee !!!!

When are you heading out ?? Soon I hope. Let us all know what city and
corner your on so we can avoid it.


Grummy



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Yeah baby! Woooohoooo.

At least I know I won't be living in a cardboard box because I took
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for my future and BUSTED MY ASS.

You know, they ought to pass a law - if you're TOO STUPID to take care
of yourself, you SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot
clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors,
construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the
park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally
mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the
construction paper doesn't get all soggy.

You know - if YOU don't like the principles this country was founded
on, GET OUT!!! Go to some euroslime socialist pig stye of a
country/euro-state and shout across the pond how much better you have
it there.

and we'll all be happy for you

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This is a very good article. It is correct, but it is not the fault of any
one political party. It is a failure of the system and the demise of the
family unit in the 1st world. This is a global problem, not just the USA.
Steve

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The End of Pensions
By ROGER LOWENSTEIN
Published: October 30, 2005
I. THE LATEST FINANCIAL DEBACLE

When I caught up with Robert S. Miller, the chief executive of Delphi
Corporation, last summer, he was still pitching the fantasy that his
company, a huge auto-parts maker, would be able to cut a deal with its
workers and avoid filing for bankruptcy protection. But he acknowledged
that Delphi faced one perhaps insuperable hurdle - not the current
conditions in the auto business so much as the legacy of the pension
promises that Delphi committed to many decades ago, when it was part of
General Motors. This was the same fear that had obsessed Alfred P.
Sloan Jr., the storied president of G.M., who warned way back in the
1940's that pensions and like benefits would be "extravagant beyond
reason." But under pressure from the United Auto Workers union, he
granted them. And as future auto executives would discover, pension
obligations are - outside of bankruptcy, anyway - virtually impossible
to unload. Unlike wages or health benefits, pension benefits cannot be
cut. Unlike other contracts, which might be renegotiated as business
conditions change, pension commitments are forever. And given the
exigencies of the labor market, they tend to be steadily improved upon,
at least when times are good.

For the U.A.W., Miller noted forlornly, "30 and Out" - 30 years to
retirement - became a rallying cry. Eventually, the union got what it
wanted, and workers who started on the assembly line after high school
found they could retire by their early 50's. "These pensions were
created when we all used to work until age 70 and then poop out at 72,"
Miller told me. "Now if you live past 80, a not-uncommon demographic,
you're going to be taking benefits for longer than you are working.
That social contract is under severe pressure."

Earlier this month, Miller and Delphi gave in to the pressure and
sought protection under the bankruptcy code - the largest such filing
ever in the auto industry. It followed by a few weeks the Chapter 11
filings of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines, whose pension
promises to workers exceeded the assets in their pension funds by an
estimated $16 billion.

The three filings have blown the lid off America's latest, if
long-simmering, financial debacle. It is not hedge funds or the
real-estate bubble - it is the pension system, both public and private.
And it is broken.

II. THE MORAL HAZARD OF INSURANCE

The amount of underfunding in corporate pension plans totals a
staggering $450 billion. Part of that liability is attributable to
otherwise healthy corporations that will most likely, in time, make
good on their obligations. But the plans of the companies that fail
will become the responsibility of the government's pension insurer, the
Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation. The P.B.G.C., which collects
premiums from corporations and, in theory, is supposed to be
self-financing, is deeply in the hole, prompting comparisons to the
savings-and-loan fiasco of the 1980's. Just as S. & L.'s of that era
took foolish risks in part because their deposits were insured, the
P.B.G.C.'s guarantee encouraged managements and unions to raise
benefits ever higher.

In such situations, individuals are tempted to take more risk than is
healthy for the group; economists, in a glum appraisal of human nature,
call it "moral hazard." In effect, America's pension system has been a
laboratory demonstration of moral hazard in which the insurance may end
up bankrupting the system it was intended to save. Given that pension
promises do not come due for years, it is hardly surprising that
corporate executives and state legislators have found it easier to pay
off unions with benefits tomorrow rather than with wages today. Since
the benefits were insured, union leaders did not much care if the
obligations proved excessive. During the previous decade especially,
when it seemed that every pension promise could be fulfilled by a
rising stock market, employers either recklessly overpromised or
recklessly underprovided - or both - for the commitments they made.

The P.B.G.C. is now $23 billion in the red - a deficit that is expected
to grow, significantly, as more companies go under. The balance sheet
for the end of September will very likely show a deficit of more than
$30 billion. If nothing is done to fix the system, the Congressional
Budget Office forecasts, the deficit will mushroom to more than $100
billion within two decades. This liability will almost certainly fall
back on the taxpayers, since the alternative to a bailout - letting the
pension agency fail - would force aging former auto workers and other
retirees onto the street.

As bad as that sounds, the problem of state and local government
pensions is even worse. Public pensions, which are paid by taxpayers
and thus enjoy an implicit form of insurance, are underfunded by a
total of at least $300 billion and arguably much more. While
governments have been winking at these deficits for years, they are now
becoming intolerable burdens for taxpayers. In San Diego, pension abuse
has effectively bankrupted the city. Thanks to a history of granting
sweeter and sweeter pension deals that it has neglected to fund, the
city has been forced to allocate $160 million, or 8 percent of the
municipal budget, to the San Diego City Employees Retirement System
this year, with similar allocations expected for years to come. San
Diego has tabled plans for a downtown library, cut back the hours on
swimming pools, gutted the parks and recreation budget, canceled needed
water and sewer projects and fallen behind on potholes.

State or local governments in New Jersey, New York, Illinois, Ohio,
West Virginia and elsewhere face similar budget strains aggravated by
runaway pension promises. According to Carl DeMaio, director of the
Performance Institute, which advocates better government
accountability, "There is a San Diego brewing in every community."

Not only are taxpayers certain to suffer, but senior citizens in the
future may also have to settle for less secure retirements anchored
only by Social Security and whatever they've managed to put away into
their 401(k) accounts. A backlash already has begun in state capitals,
where the political forces that have been lobbying for Social Security
reform have been rallying lawmakers to get out of the pension business
altogether. Alaska's Legislature recently passed a shotgun bill to deny
pensions to future employees. This mimics a trend in the private
sector, in which corporations have been leaving the system, either by
paying off their workers and terminating their pension plans or by
"freezing" their plans, a step recently taken by Hewlett Packard, so
that many current employees will no longer accrue benefits and new
employees will not participate at all.

If the pension system continues to wither, it is not hard to envision a
darker future in which - as was true until early in the 20th Century,
before the advent of pensions - many of the elderly would be forced to
keep working to stave off poverty.

III. THE SHRINKING PENSION SYSTEM

Congress has been debating legislation to fix the private system, but
it has been unable to resolve a basic tension: anything it does to ease
the burden on failing or failed pension plans lessens the penalty for
failure and enhances moral hazard. By making it easier for, say, a
Delta or a Delphi to offer benefits, it raises the possible cost of a
future bailout.

The tough medicine favored by the Bush administration, which would
eliminate loopholes in the system as well as much of the subsidy that
now exists in the insurance system, would lead to more companies
freezing their plans or leaving the system outright. The number of
pension plans would continue to shrink and in time all but disappear.
This would strip the elderly of the future of what is still the most
secure form of retirement income.

The fear of runaway pension costs plainly echoes the Social Security
debate, and many suspect that the Bush administration would not much
mind if pensions did disappear. "I don't think the administration is
very interested in creating a future for traditional pensions," says
Julia Coronado, a senior research associate at Watson Wyatt, a
human-resources consulting firm. "It doesn't fit very well with their
vision of the ownership society."

Bradley Belt, executive director of the P.B.G.C., shrugs off the
charge. "The last thing we want to do is chase people out of the
system," he says. Besides, the government doesn't need to chase. As
Belt points out, the number of workers covered by pensions is shrinking
without government help. In 1980, about 40 percent of the jobs in the
private sector offered pensions; now only 20 percent do. The trend is
probably irreversible, because it feeds on itself. Hewlett Packard, for
instance, must compete with younger companies like Dell Computer that
do not offer traditional pensions. Freezing its plan, which was a
legacy of the company's famously employee-oriented founders, was an
embarrassing step for H.P.'s present managers - but freeze it they did.

This may have made economic sense, but federal law has long recognized
a social purpose to pensions as well. By allowing companies to deduct
from taxes the money they contribute into their pension funds, the
government encourages employers to provide a safety net for their
workers. This remains a legitimate function, and if pensions were
allowed to die, we would need something to take their place.

IV. WHY PENSIONS MATTER

To understand why pensions are still important, you have to understand
the awkward beast that benefits professionals refer to as the U.S.
retirement system. It is not really one "system" but three, which
complement each other in the crudest of fashions. The lowest tier is
Social Security, which provides most Americans with a bare-bones living
(the average payment is about $12,000 a year). The highest tier,
available to the rich, is private savings. In between, for people who
do not have a hedge-fund account and yet want to retire on more than
mere subsistence, there are pensions and 401(k)'s. Currently, more than
half of all families have at least one member who has qualified for a
pension at some point in his or her career and thus will be eligible
for a benefit. And among current retirees, pensions are the
second-biggest source of income, trailing only Social Security.

During most of the 90's the decline in pension coverage was barely
lamented. It was not that big companies were folding up their plans
(for the most part, they were not) but that newer, smaller companies
weren't offering them. As the small companies grew into big ones (think
Dell, or Starbucks, or Home Depot), traditional pensions covered less
of the private-sector landscape. This did not seem like a very big
deal. Younger workers envisioned mobile careers for themselves and many
did not want pension strings tying them to a single employer. And most
were able to put money aside in 401(k)'s, often matched by an employer
contribution.

It happened that 401(k)'s, which were authorized by a change in the tax
code in 1978 and which began to blossom in the early 1980's, coincided
with a great upswing in the stock market. It is possible that they
helped to cause the upswing. In any case, Americans' experience with
401(k)'s in the first two decades of their existence was sufficiently
rosy that few people shed tears over the slow demise of pension plans
or were even aware of how significantly pensions and 401(k)'s differed.
But 401(k)'s were intended to be a supplement to pensions, not a
substitute.

From the beneficiary's standpoint, pensions mean unique security. The

worker gets a guaranteed income, determined by the number of years of
service and by his or her salary at retirement. And pensions don't run
dry; workers (or their spouses) get them as long as they live. Because
the employer is committed to paying a certain level of benefits,
pensions are known as "defined benefit" plans. Since an individual's
benefit rises with each year of service, the employer is supposed to
sock money away, into a fund that it manages for all of its
beneficiaries, every year. The point is that workers don't (or
shouldn't) have to worry about how the benefit will get there; that's
the employer's responsibility. Of course, the open-ended nature of the
guarantee - the very feature that makes pensions so attractive to the
individual - is precisely what has caused employers to rue the day they
said yes. No profit-making enterprise can truly gauge its ability to
meet such promises decades later.

A 401(k), on the other hand, promises nothing. It's merely a license to
defer taxes - an individual savings plan. The employer might contribute
some money, which is why 401(k)'s are known as "defined contribution"
plans. Or it might not. Even if the company does contribute, it offers
no assurance that the money will be enough to retire on, nor does it
get involved with managing the account; that's up to the worker. These
disadvantages were, in the 90's, somehow perceived (with the help of
exuberant marketing pitches by mutual-fund firms) to be advantages:
401(k)'s let workers manage their own assets; they were a road map to
economic freedom.

Post-bubble, the picture looks different. Various people have studied
how investors perform in their 401(k)'s. According to Alicia Munnell, a
pension expert at Boston College and previously a White House
economist, pension funds over the long haul earn slightly more than the
average 401(k) holder. Among the latter, those who do worse than
average, of course, have no protection. Moreover, pensions typically
annuitize - that is, they convert a worker's retirement assets into an
annual stipend. They impose a budget, based on actuarial probabilities.
This might seem a trivial service (some pensioners might not even
realize that it is a service). But if you asked a 65-year-old man who
lacked a pension but did have, say, $100,000 in savings, how much he
could live on, he likely would not have the vaguest idea. The answer is
$654 a month: this is the annuity that $100,000 would purchase in the
private market. It is the amount (after deducting the annuity
provider's costs and profit) that the average person could live on so
as to exhaust his savings at the very moment that he draws his final
breath.

So the question arises: what if he lives longer than average? This is
the beauty of a pension or of any collectivized savings pool. The
pension plan can afford to support people who live to 90, because some
of its members will expire at 66. It subsidizes its more robust members
from the resources of those who die young. This is why a 401(k) is not
a true substitute. Jeffrey Brown, an associate finance professor at the
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and a staff member of the
president's Social Security commission, notes that as baby boomers who
have nest eggs in place of pensions begin to retire, they will be faced
with a daunting question: "How do I make this last a lifetime?"

V. FROM MANAGEMENT TOOL TO EMPLOYEE BENEFIT

The country's first large-scale pension plan was introduced after the
Civil War, when the federal government gave pensions to disabled Union
Army veterans and war widows. Congress passed an act in 1890 that
extended pensions to all veterans 65 and over. This converted pensions
into a form of social welfare. Over the next 20 years, states and
cities added pensions for police officers and firefighters. By World
War I, most teachers had been granted pensions as well. Governments
couldn't offer big paychecks for workers - teachers, the police,
firefighters - so it offered stability and pensions instead.

In the private sector, the first pension was offered by American
Express, a stagecoach delivery service, in 1875. Railroads followed
suit. Employees were required to work for 30 years before they
qualified for benefits, and thus pensions helped companies retain
employees as well as ease older workers into retirement. These
employers thought of pensions as management tools, not as employee
"benefits." But in the first half of the 20th century, as the historian
James Wooten put it, government policies turned pensions into a tool of
social policy. First came the tax deduction. This feature was abused,
as companies used pensions to shelter payments to their executives. The
rules were gradually tightened, however, forcing plans to include the
rank and file. World War II gave more incentives to create pensions:
punitive tax rates made the pension shelter enormously attractive and a
government freeze on wages meant that pensions were the only avenue for
increasing compensation.

The effect of these policies was to encourage unions to bargain for
pensions and to pressure employers to grant them. After the war, John
L. Lewis, the legendary labor leader, staged a strike to win pensions
for miners. Ford Motor capitulated to the U.A.W. in 1949. G.M., headed
by the reluctant Sloan, followed in 1950. This led to a so-called
pension stampede; by 1960, 40 percent of private-sector workers were
covered. Meanwhile, in the auto industry, the seeds of the problem were
already visible.

Companies might establish plans, but many were derelict when it came to
funding them. When companies failed, the workers lost much of their
promised benefit. The U.A.W. was acutely aware of the problem, because
of the failing condition of several smaller car manufacturers, like
Packard. The union didn't have the muscle to force full funding, and
even if it did, it reckoned that if the weaker manufacturers were
obliged to put more money into their pension funds, they would
retaliate by cutting wages.

Thus in 1959, Studebaker, a manufacturer fallen on hard times, agreed
to increase benefits - its third such increase in six years. In return,
the U.A.W. let Studebaker stretch out its pension funding schedule.
This bargain preserved the union's wages, as well as management's hopes
for a profit, though it required each to pretend that Studebaker could
afford a pension plan that was clearly beyond its means. Four years
later, the company collapsed.

The Studebaker failure was a watershed. Thousands of employees,
including some who had worked 40 years on the line, lost the bulk of
their pensions. Stunned by the loss, which totaled $15 million, the
U.A.W. changed its tactics and began to lobby in earnest for federal
pension insurance. A union pension expert tellingly explained to Walter
Reuther, the U.A.W. chief, that insurance would reconfigure the
"incentives" of both labor and management. Though business was
skeptical of the idea, a decade later, in 1974, Congress finally passed
the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, or Erisa, which, among
other protections, established the P.B.G.C. to insure private pensions.
Erisa, according to Wooten, who wrote a history of the act, completed
the transition of pensions into a part of the social safety net. It was
also the birth of moral hazard.

VI. THE SURPRISINGLY PLIABLE SYSTEM OF PENSION ACCOUNTING

Erisa, which would be amended several times, was supposed to ensure
that corporate sponsors kept their plans funded. The act includes a
Byzantine set of regulations that seemingly require companies to make
timely contributions. As recently as 2000, most corporate plans were
adequately funded, or at least appeared to be. Their assets took a
serious hit, however, when the stock market tumbled. (In retrospect,
they had been cavalier in assuming the bull market would continue.) And
they were burned again when interest rates fell.

Since pension liabilities are, for the most part, future liabilities,
companies calculate their present obligation by applying a discount
rate to what they will owe in the future. As interest rates move lower,
they have to set more money aside because it is assumed that their
assets will grow more slowly. The principle is familiar to any
individual saver: you need to save more if you expect, say, a 5 percent
return on your investment instead of a 10 percent return. What is much
in dispute is just which rate is proper for pension accounting.

Corporations have been gaming the system by using the highest rates
allowable, which shrinks their reported liabilities, and thus their
funding requirements. The P.B.G.C., when calculating the system's
deficit, uses what is in effect a market rate; whatever it would cost
to buy annuities for everyone covered in a pension plan is, it argues,
the plan's true "liability." The difference between these measures can
be extreme. Depending on whom you talk to, General Motors' mammoth
pension fund is either fully funded or, as the P.B.G.C. maintains, it
is $31 billion in the hole.

What is not in dispute is that when interest rates fell, the present
value of pension liabilities (by whatever measure) soared. The
confluence of falling stock prices, plunging interest rates and a
recession in the beginning of this decade was the pension world's
equivalent of the perfect storm. An unprecedented wave of pension
sponsors failed and then dumped their obligations on the P.B.G.C. (To
do so, a sponsor generally must prove that it could not re-emerge as a
viable enterprise without shedding its pension plan.) By far the most
costly failures were in airlines and steel, although the list ranges
from Kemper Insurance and Kaiser Aluminum to Murray, a lawn-mower
manufacturer.

As the P.B.G.C. assumed responsibility for more and more pensioners, it
became clear that the premium it charged was way too cheap. Mispriced
insurance, like mispriced anything, sends the market a distorted
signal. Belt, the P.B.G.C. director, who served as counsel to the
Senate Banking Committee in the late 1980's during the savings-and-loan
crisis, says that cheap pension insurance gave rise to flawed
incentives: namely it kept companies in the pension business who didn't
deserve to be there. He also argues, rather convincingly, that lax
rules allowed pension sponsors to get away with inadequate funding.

For example, United Airlines did not make contributions to any of its
four employee plans between 2000 and 2002, when it was heading into
Chapter 11, and made minimal contributions in 2003. Even more
surprisingly, in 2002, after two of its jets had been turned into
weapons in the Sept. 11 disaster, and when the airline industry was
pleading for emergency relief from Congress, United granted a 40
percent increase in pension benefits for its 23,000 ground employees.

Bethlehem Steel similarly enjoyed a three-year funding holiday as it
was going through hard times, letting its liabilities swell in advance
of turning them over to the government. Meanwhile, in order to gain its
unions' approval for plant shutdowns, it agreed to costly benefit
enhancements. In 2001 Bethlehem filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It was
guided through its bankruptcy by none other than Miller, now the Delphi
C.E.O. Miller disputes the notion that capital-scarce companies like
Bethlehem intentionally game the system by shirking funding. "Companies
don't like falling behind," he says. "When you have a hard choice
between starving the capital base to feed the pension plan, or making
capital investments to become more productive, to the extent there is
permission that's what you do." The point is, they had permission.

Neither Bethlehem nor United broke any laws. Both companies made the
full contributions required under Erisa. When the P.B.G.C. seized their
plans, however, Bethlehem was only 45 percent funded, and United was
only 42 percent funded. For companies that terminate their pension
plans, such gross underfunding has become the norm. Either assets
suddenly vanish when the P.B.G.C. walks in the door, or, evidently, the
system for measuring "full" funding is broken. As Belt testified to the
Senate Committee on Finance in June, "United, US Airways, Bethlehem
Steel, LTV and National Steel would not have presented claims in excess
of $1 billion each - and with funded ratios of less than 50 percent -
if the rules worked."

Even leaving aside the debate over which rate to use in calculating
pension liabilities, there is no doubt that Erisa permits companies to
use some doubtful arithmetic. For instance, the law lets corporations
"smooth" changes in their asset values. If the stocks and bonds in
their pension funds take a hit (as happened to just about every fund
recently), they don't have to fully report the impact. Nor do they have
to ante up fresh funds to compensate for the loss for five years. A
similar smoothing is permitted on the liability side. And though, in
theory, Erisa discourages underfunding by requiring offenders to pay
higher premiums, its various loopholes render the sanction toothless.
Thanks to another loophole, companies that contribute more than the
required amount get to skip future contributions even if they later
become underfunded. These companies are awarded so-called "credit
balances," which remain in place even if the actual balance is showing
red.

Incredibly, when United's plans were terminated, earlier this year,
even though they were groaning under $17 billion in pension liabilities
and a mere $7 billion in assets, they still had credit "balances"
according to Erisa. (By law, the P.B.G.C. will be on the hook for most,
but not all, of United's shortfall. The agency guarantees pensions up
to $45,000 a year; employees, mostly pilots, who were owed richer
pensions are uninsured above the cap.)

Their dubious funding history notwithstanding, corporations - airlines
in particular - have been lobbying for greater permissiveness for
several years. And they have gotten it. Congress has twice relaxed the
rules, permitting pension sponsors to use a higher rate to calculate
their liabilities.

VII. WHAT BUSH WOULD DO?

Enter the Bush administration: it has essentially declared the era of
permissiveness over. Among other changes, it wants the funding rules
tightened. To tackle moral hazard, it wants to stop companies with poor
credit ratings from granting benefit hikes, or from doling out unfunded
pension benefits to unions who agree to plant shutdowns. It even wants
to prevent workers at some companies whose bonds are given a "junk"
rating from accruing more years of service. This would be painful to
employees at many industrial companies, possibly including G.M.

Indeed, one reading of the administration proposal is that, having seen
the steel and airline industries raid the P.B.G.C., it is drawing the
line at the auto industry - whose initial distress, of course, prompted
the agency's founding. Asked about that before Delphi went bust, Belt
admitted: "Eight auto-parts suppliers have come under Chapter 11 so far
this year. No question our single largest source of exposure is the
auto sector."

Since G.M.'s stock was downgraded to junk status earlier this year, the
possibility that it would file for bankruptcy has been the subject of
on-again, off-again debate on Wall Street. G.M.'s pension plan totals
an astronomical $90 billion; a bankruptcy filing would be the
P.B.G.C.'s biggest nightmare. G.M. says the notion is far-fetched. The
company seems to have plenty of liquidity and, just two weeks ago, with
retiree costs a major concern, it reached an agreement with the U.A.W.
to trim health benefits. G.M. and other industrial companies, along
with their unions, have harshly attacked the Bush pension proposal,
which would force many old-economy-type corporations to put more money
into their pension funds just when their basic businesses are hurting.

Alan Reuther, Walter's nephew and the U.A.W.'s legislative director,
says the provisions to restrict benefits would be "totally devastating
for workers and retirees." He makes no apologies for "30 and out" - a
fair reward, he maintains, for hard service on the assembly line - and
he wonders at the post-modern notion that blue-collar workers should be
responsible for their own retirements because giant corporations can't
handle it. Also, a typical G.M. pension for someone with 30 years on
the job is about $18,000 a year. That is hardly to be compared with an
airline pilot's. "The P.B.G.C. is focused on protecting themselves from
claims and not on protecting the claims of workers," he says. "They
forget why they were created." Social safety nets have their price - in
this case, a little moral hazard - and that is really what the debate
is about.

What has emerged from the Beltway skirmishing thus far are bills on
either side of Congress that would in some ways tighten funding but
give a special break to airlines. Premiums to the P.B.G.C. would rise
from $19 per plan participant to $30, and variable premiums on
distressed companies would be enforced. The bills would chip away (but
not eliminate) gimmicks like "smoothing."

The Senate is still divided, however, on how to treat corporations with
junk credit ratings - the ones most likely to wind up in the P.B.G.C.'s
lap. Hard-liners like Senator Chuck Grassley insist they should be
forced to strengthen their pension plans in a hurry; Senators Mike
DeWine and Barbara Mikulski (both from states with blue-collar
constituencies) want to give such companies lenience. So after months
of lobbying, politicking and deal making, moral hazard is still alive.

VIII. PENSION VS. POTHOLES

The P.B.G.C. does not protect government pensions, but dynamics similar
to those in the private sector have also wrecked the solvency of public
plans. Even in states where budget restraint is gospel, public-service
employees have found it relatively easy to get benefit hikes for the
simple reason that no one else pays much attention to them. In the
corporate world, stockholders, at least in theory, exert some pressure
on managers to show restraint. But who are the public sector
"stockholders"? The average voter doesn't take notice when the
legislature debates the benefits levels of firemen, teachers and the
like. On the other hand, public-employee unions exhibit a very keen
interest, and legislators know it. So benefits keep rising.

As a matter of practice, those benefits are as good as insured. Because
public pension benefits are legally inviolable, default is not an
option. Sooner or later, taxpayers will be required to put up the money
(or governments will be forced to borrow the money and tax a later
generation to pay the interest). Thus, unions can bargain for virtually
any level of benefits without regard to the state's ability, or its
willingness, to fund them. This creates moral hazard indeed. At least
in the private sphere, there are rules - ineffectual rules maybe, but
rules - that require companies to fund. In the public sector,
legislatures wary of raising taxes to pay for the benefits that they
legislate can simply pass the buck to the future. This explains how the
West Virginia Teachers Retirement System has, embarrassingly, only 22
percent of the assets needed to meet its expected liabilities. It also
explains how Illinois, a low-tax state, is underfunded by some $38
billion, or $3,000 per every man, woman and child in the state.

California is a good example of the political forces that have driven
benefits higher. In the 90's, Gov. Gray Davis, a Democrat who was
strongly supported by public-employee unions, pushed through numerous
bills to increase benefits. One raised the pension of state troopers
retiring at age 50 to 3 percent of final salary times the number of
years served. (Previously, the formula was 2 percent at age 50, more if
you were older.) Thus, a cop hired at age 20 could retire at 50, find
another job and get a pension equal to 90 percent of his final salary.

The higher benefits trickled down to the local level, as counties that
feared losing police officers to the state felt forced to copy the
formula. Counterintuitively, as benefits were going up, the California
Public Employees Retirement System (Calpers), which was boasting high
returns in the stock market, allowed state agencies and local
governments to reduce their contributions.

Contra Costa County, which adopted the "3 percent at 50" formula for
its Police Department, got by with contributing only $55 million to
retirement costs in 1999, near the market peak. When the market tanked,
the county found itself with lower assets and greater obligations. Six
years later, the county's retirement bill had more than tripled to $180
million. Bill Pollacek, the county treasurer-tax collector, says the
excess earnings from the bull market were spent, among other things, on
higher benefits; "the losses were left for the taxpayers."

This example was repeated with various twists across the country. In
New Jersey, for example, Christine Whitman, the Republican governor in
the 90's, ultimately relied on buoyant stock-market predictions to
finance hefty tax cuts, which were the centerpiece of her
administration. In 1997, New Jersey borrowed $2.8 billion, at an
interest rate of 7.64 percent. The money was advanced to its pension
system, on the convenient theory that its pension managers would make
more in the market than the state paid out in interest. For a while,
they did. The state even raised benefits.

Meanwhile, Trenton achieved a sort of transitory budget balance by
contributing less to its pension system. New Jersey's contribution to
the Police and Firemen's Retirement System was zero in 2001 through
2003. But during the dot-com debacle, its investments plunged. And the
state came under intense budget pressure because of the recession, and
so gave itself a few years more to start paying down its pension
liability (which further widened the gap). This year, the last
easy-funding year, New Jersey will contribute $220 million to its
pension system; by 2010, the annual bill will be an impossible-seeming
$2.5 billion.

I spoke to Jon Corzine and Doug Forrester, the candidates in next
Tuesday's gubernatorial election, and while each expressed the proper
horror with regard to past mismanagement, neither had much to say about
how they would replenish New Jersey's pension system. State pension
officials say that if New Jersey were a private corporation, its system
would be nearly bankrupt. "In the real world this is a P.B.G.C.
takeover," Fred Beaver, the head of the pension division, told me.
Raising taxes is politically forbidden (Forrester has been campaigning
to cut property-tax rates).

And the state's reported pension underfunding, officially $25 billion,
is undoubtedly optimistic. It assumes that New Jersey's pension assets
will earn 8.25 percent, a number collectively determined - some say
pulled from thin air - by the state's pension council. Even Orin
Kramer, a private hedge-fund manager who also is also chairman of the
council, says that any assumption higher than 7.5 percent is
unrealistic. "The published numbers are divorced from economic
reality," Kramer says. "No one even does the math for what will happen
if you only do 7 percent because it's too serious. You start firing
cops and teachers."

According to Barclay's Global Investors, if you use realistic
assumptions, the total underfunding in all public plans is on the order
of $460 billion. If this figure is even close to true, future taxpayers
will be hopelessly in hock to the police, firefighters and teachers of
the past.

Cutting pensions (unlike health benefits) is simply not an option.
State constitutions forbid public entities, even prospectively, from
reducing the rate at which employees accrue benefits. They can tinker
with, or abolish, benefits for future employees, as Alaska did, but for
a worker already on the payroll, benefits - even benefits that might
not be earned for many decades hence - are sacrosanct. These benefits
are like headless nails; once driven in they can never be removed. This
year, New York's Legislature approved 46 new bills - more headless
nails - to increase pension benefits, according to E.J. McMahon, an
analyst at the Manhattan Institute. New York's benefits already rank
among the most generous in the country, and the new bills would expand
categories of workers who can retire early, or who can qualify for
higher rates. Such bracket creep is pervasive.


One of the biggest pension offenders is San Diego, where six members of
the pension board, including the head of the local firefighters' union
and two other union officials, have been charged with violating the
state's conflict-of-interest code, a felony. What is interesting about
San Diego is that, juicy details aside, its pension mess actually looks
rather commonplace. The six board members are accused of making a deal
to let City Hall underfund the pension system in return for agreeing to
higher benefits - including special benefits for themselves. Explicitly
or otherwise, this is what unions and legislators have been doing all
over the country. A senior adviser on pensions to Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger told me he fears that ever higher benefits are
inescapable, given the fact that legislators control the benefits of
people whose support is vital in elections.

Calpers, the country's biggest state-employee retirement system,
responds that the pension system has worked well. And for Calpers's 1.4
million members, it has. The average benefit for retirees is $21,000 a
year, more than most at General Motors. But at some point, the interest
of the public and the interests of public employees diverge.

Earlier this year, Schwarzenegger tried to move California to a
401(k)-style defined contribution plan (for new employees), but the
Legislature refused to go along. Schwarzenegger has vowed to revisit
the issue in 2006. This battle is being fought from statehouse to
statehouse. Michigan (mimicking Alaska) has closed its pension plan to
some new employees, and various states, including Florida, Colorado,
South Carolina, Arizona, Ohio and Montana, are taking a partial step of
letting employees choose between defined contribution plans and
traditional pensions. This compromise does not really change much. Most
employees who are given the choice opt, quite naturally, to keep their
pensions.

Partly for that reason, the Citizens Budget Commission, a politically
neutral watchdog, concluded that only by ending pensions outright (for
new employees) could New York avert a future fiscal calamity. "Changes
in pension benefits for future workers would yield fiscal gains only
slowly," the commission noted in a position paper, "but the service to
the future fiscal health of the City and State would be enormous."

Most legislatures are not about to do that anytime soon. There is a
legitimate argument for preserving public pensions, however, if only
they could be put on a sound fiscal basis. Critics like Grover
Norquist, the tax-cut crusader, lampoons pensions as remnants of a
stodgy, Old World economy. The desire to collect a pension, he argues,
keeps workers from moving to better opportunities and shackles
employers to workers who are just marking time.

But while mobility is generally considered a virtue in the modern
economy, it isn't appropriate everywhere. It may be desirable for a
software engineer to move from job to job, notes Robert Walton, a
Calpers assistant executive; "for teachers, firefighters, nurses,
engineers, that isn't the type of work force you want." Stability is a
virtue. The trick is to force legislatures to commit to funding with
the same zeal with which they commit to benefits.

De Maio, the San Diego watchdog, is lobbying for a federal law that
would impose Erisa-type rules on public plans. Another solution might
be found in the Texas Municipal Retirement System, which represents 800
cities and towns in the state. It has a blended system of automatic
employer and employee contributions that are managed by the system and
turned into an annuity upon retirement. These sorts of remedies could
avert plenty of future San Diegos. In principle they are quite simple.
It is only the politics that are difficult.

IX. HOW DO YOU MAKE SAVINGS LAST A LIFETIME?

On the private side, benefits professionals have been touting so-called
cash-balance plans, a hybrid that in some ways looks like a 401(k), as
the best hope for saving the pension industry. With a traditional
pension, employees accrue benefits very slowly during their first 20
years and very rapidly during their next 10 (this is why pension plans
act as retention tools; you pay a penalty for leaving early). Thus, an
employee who stays at a company for 30 years gets a much bigger pension
than one who works at three companies for 10 years each. Cash-balance
plans were devised to appeal to younger workers, most of whom do not
envision retiring at the firm that hired them out of college. In these
plans, employees accrue benefits steadily, one decade to the next.
There is no penalty for leaving, and workers who change jobs simply
roll their accrued benefits into their next plan, as with a 401(k).
Many firms converted to cash-balance plans in the 90's to attract
younger and more mobile workers.

But the downside of giving more to junior employees is that senior
employees get less. When I.B.M. converted, it reduced the rate at which
some employees of long standing would accrue benefits, touching off a
firestorm. The company was sued, I.B.M. lost and the legal status of
similar plans remains in doubt. The pension industry has been lobbying
Congress to clarify the status of existing cash-balance plans, but
neither the administration nor anyone on Capitol Hill has done so.

To some people, this is further evidence that the Bush administration
would just as soon be done with pension plans altogether. I put that
recently to Elaine Chao, the secretary of labor, and while her answer
was diplomatic, she made no bones about the fact that, in the
administration's view, traditional pensions are losing their relevance.
"Defined benefit plans have their advantages," she told me, "but in an
increasingly mobile 21st-century work force, the lack of flexibility of
D.B. plans is yielding to greater usage of defined contributions
plans."

It's hard to argue with her, if you look at the numbers. Although 44
million people are covered by private-sector plans, half are people who
have already retired and are collecting benefits or whose plans have
been frozen or terminated. In other words, on-the-job employees
accruing benefits - once the backbone of the system - constitute only
half. At that rate, even without legislation, the private-sector
pension community will mostly die off in a generation.

And pension sponsors are likely to get another jolt soon. Under current
accounting standards, companies can "smooth" their earnings reports, so
that each quarter's net income reflects the average assumed performance
of the company's pension assets, whether up or down, but not the actual
performance. (Discrepancies from the average are sifted back into the
earnings stream over time.) This means that reported earnings are often
wildly misleading. Robert Herz, chairman of the Financial Accounting
Standards Board, has criticized this practice as "a Rube Goldberg
device." If FASB follows up and disallows it, corporate pension
sponsors would have to cope with a lot more volatility in their
earnings. Managers hate volatility, and such a change would prompt many
of them to fold their plans.

If defined benefits are on their last legs, then it would make sense to
try to incorporate their best features into 401(k)'s. The drawback to
401(k)'s, remember, is that people are imperfect savers. They don't
save enough, they don't invest wisely what they do save and they don't
know what to do with their money once they are free to withdraw it.
Quite often, they spend it.

Here there is much the government could do. For instance, it could
require that a portion of 401(k) accounts be set aside in a lifelong
annuity, with all the security of a pension. Behavioral economists like
Richard Thaler have demonstrated that you can change people's behavior
even without mandatory rules. For instance, by making a high
contribution rate the "default option" for employees, they would tend
to deduct (and save) more from their paychecks. If you make an annuity
a prominent choice, more people will convert their accounts into
annuities.

Otherwise, it's not hard to predict that as octogenarians and
nonagenarians become commonplace in society, many are going to outlive
their savings, which is even more scary than outliving the savings of
the P.B.G.C. Promoting an annuity culture is probably the single best
way to make up for the demise of pensions. Yet most companies that
provide 401(k)'s don't even give the option of purchasing an annuity
when people cash in their accounts. As Brown, the Illinois professor,
notes, "There is no box to check that says 'annuities."' That is a
minor scandal. "I wish someone in Washington were thinking bigger
thoughts about what the optimal retirement package should look like,"
says Watson Wyatt's Coronado.

What are Secretary Chao's thoughts? She bounced the question to the
Treasury Department. Mark Warshawsky, the Treasury's top economist, has
written about the need for annuities, and in an interview he allowed
that as 401(k)'s become the primary, or the only, source of retirement
income for more people, "I think it is a concern that annuities are not
being offered in those plans." When I asked what the Treasury was doing
about encouraging annuities, Warshawsky merely said that it was under
study. Anything that smacks of regulation (like rules to make sure
employees get a particular menu of choices, whether for annuities or
for their portfolios) gives the administration shivers. This is what
you would expect, given the administration's strong free-market
tendencies.

But the government is already deeply involved, since it shelters
retirement savings - pensions, yes, but also 401(k)'s, which are
similarly permitted to grow tax-free. When it passed Erisa, Congress
agreed that corporations that invested tax-sheltered retirement funds -
pensions - should have to live by certain rules. But in the defined
contribution world - the world of 401(k)'s - there are no rules.
Employers can contribute or not. Employees can diversify or blow it all
on the company stock (even if it is Enron). If nothing else, the
century-long experiment with pensions has proved that in the absence of
the right rules, the money will not always be there. The purpose of
pension reform should be not merely to avoid a fiscal disaster but to
find a fiscally sound way to preserve the likelihood of secure
retirements. If people are going to retire on 401(k)'s, those should be
subject to rules, and guidance, as well.

It would be nice to think that reform would include a future for
pensions, but on the private side at least, it is doubtful. As Delphi's
Miller put it simply: "A pension plan makes no sense in today's world.
It's not wise for a company to make financial promises 40 or 50 years
down the road." Most American executives would agree. Miller says he
has not decided what to do at Delphi. If workers grant wage
concessions, he has said, the pension plan, which is $4.5 billion shy
of what it needs, might even survive. This has the sound of a
bargaining ploy. Knowing that the P.B.G.C.'s guarantee is in place, the
unions will probably insist on keeping their wages as close to intact
as they can, and Miller will probably end up handing the pension plan
over to the agency, just as he did at Bethlehem. Then, Miller and other
executives will get stock and dandy bonuses in a new Delphi that is
happily stripped of pension obligations, and some 45,000 employees and
retirees will, in time, happily collect their pensions - courtesy of
the U.S. Government. Moral hazard at work.

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Tillman

Two cheers to you. Somehow personal responsibility in this country has
gone out the door. If I end up living on the streets in the near future
its my fault.

The ones I like are the ones that rack up thousands of dollars in
credit card debt and blame it on the credit card companies for the easy
credit.

Further, somehow its the oil company's fault for high gas prices and we
forget that oil is a commodity that is freely traded and that America
refuses to conserve. I'll get rid of or stop driving my big truck (its
got a hemmi) when it no longer makes economical sense for me to own it.

gary


tillius wrote:
Yeah baby! Woooohoooo.

At least I know I won't be living in a cardboard box because I took
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for my future and BUSTED MY ASS.

You know, they ought to pass a law - if you're TOO STUPID to take care
of yourself, you SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot
clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors,
construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the
park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally
mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the
construction paper doesn't get all soggy.

You know - if YOU don't like the principles this country was founded
on, GET OUT!!! Go to some euroslime socialist pig stye of a
country/euro-state and shout across the pond how much better you have
it there.

and we'll all be happy for you

Tillman


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Yeah baby! Woooohoooo.

At least I know I won't be living in a cardboard box because I took
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for my future and BUSTED MY ASS.

You know, they ought to pass a law - if you're TOO STUPID to take care
of yourself, you SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot
clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors,
construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the
park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally
mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the
construction paper doesn't get all soggy.


Wow Shill-man, you must have sat up all night composing that last paragraph.
I can tell that you were working at the outer limits of your personal
creativity envelope. Since you took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your future
and BUSTED YOUR ASS, I guess that you'll be willing to surrending all of
your Social Security withholdings and live off the fruits of your superhuman
labor when you get on up into retirement age, right?

Don't get all righteous and start spouting off about you wanting to keep
what is rightfully yours! If you keep one cent of your Social Security
savings then you aren't being true to your "conservative" ideals and rugged
individuality. If you take one cent of Social Security, then you too will
become a "Lib-tard".


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I'll get rid of or stop driving my big truck (its
got a hemmi) when it no longer makes economical sense for me to own it.


I'll run mine on an ethanol and nitrous oxide blend, which can be made
from ingredients right on the farm.

Tillman



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You know what - I sure will give up ever cent of my social security
that exceeds the amount that I was forced to contribute at a
rediculously conservative rate of 4% growth compounted annually.
Beyond that, I don't want a dime.

Of course, I'd happilly 'donate' all that I've been forced to
contribute so far if I could "Opt Out" of any further forced
contributions today. That it. Cut it - no more give, no take. But if
they're gonna keep taking, I'm gonna take what I can back and reverse
as much of the damage as I can.

Or better yet, reduce the total contribution to Social InSecurity to 3%
(both employee and employer) for those over 35 who OPT OUT. Those over
35 who opt to stay in, keep paying the current personal rate (reducing
the employer portion to 1.5%). Don't let anyone under 35 opt in. They
can pay the 3% total too, until the last person on this failed plan is
gone.

That doesn't make me a lib-tard like you (by the way, lib-tard is not
captalized, because none of you morons deserve the respect of being
treated as proper).

I know this is all a little more complicated than the average lib-tard
can understand, but give it a try, huh?

If you take one cent of Social Security, then you too will become a "Lib-tard


Well, NOT! You're just plain wrong on that one. See above.

freakin lib-tards


Tillman

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You know what - I sure will give up ever cent of my social security
that exceeds the amount that I was forced to contribute at a
rediculously conservative rate of 4% growth compounted annually.
Beyond that, I don't want a dime.

Of course, I'd happilly 'donate' all that I've been forced to
contribute so far if I could "Opt Out" of any further forced
contributions today. That it. Cut it - no more give, no take. But if
they're gonna keep taking, I'm gonna take what I can back and reverse
as much of the damage as I can.


Yup, there's the backpeddling from the Modern Age Horatio Alger know as
"Tillman". You would really be making your point if you said that you were
going to simply give it all up, not take any Social Security back during
your retirement years. Of course, that wouldn't be fair though right? You
deserve to get back what you put in right? Wait a second, would you say
that you are entitled to get this money back? Damn, I never thought that
I'd hear a self-made man such as yourself use the word "entitled". Isn't
this word supposed to be used only by unwed,welfare-mothers and
crack-addicts (same thing) right? You know, those people who live off the
government tit.

Or better yet, reduce the total contribution to Social InSecurity to 3%
(both employee and employer) for those over 35 who OPT OUT. Those over
35 who opt to stay in, keep paying the current personal rate (reducing
the employer portion to 1.5%). Don't let anyone under 35 opt in. They
can pay the 3% total too, until the last person on this failed plan is
gone.


If its a failed plan, why are your parents collecting Social Security and
why did your parent's collect it too? Does this mean anyone who contributes
and collects Social Security income is a failure by extension? Can you
think abstractly Shillman? Where did you come up with these numbers?

That doesn't make me a lib-tard like you (by the way, lib-tard is not
captalized, because none of you morons deserve the respect of being
treated as proper).


That's right, only rugged individualists such as yourself deserve respect.
Everyone else is a mindless twit, shuffling to pick up their unemployment
checks, or buy their beer with their FEMA relief funds when they should be
out earning their fortunes or dying to do so!

I know this is all a little more complicated than the average lib-tard
can understand, but give it a try, huh?

Yes, you really should be making public policy decisions for the entire
nation. I don't know how we've done without you for so long! Our nation
needs a leader like you to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Tillman




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says...

You know what - I sure will give up ever cent of my social security
that exceeds the amount that I was forced to contribute at a
rediculously conservative rate of 4% growth compounted annually.
Beyond that, I don't want a dime.


No.

Social security is a welfare program. You were taxed to
provide welfare for old folks when you were working.

Now that you're no longer working, it just happens they
abolished that welfare program.

You get NOTHING. Too bad. This is how republicans operate.
Get over it.

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On 31 Oct 2005 13:06:51 -0800, "tillius"
wrote:

You know what - I sure will give up ever cent of my social security
that exceeds the amount that I was forced to contribute at a
rediculously conservative rate of 4% growth compounted annually.
Beyond that, I don't want a dime.



While it is a moot question whether the origin of
any kind of property is derived from Nature at all ...
it is considered by those who have seriously considered
the subject, that no one has, of natural right, a
separate property in an acre of land ... Stable
ownership is the gift of social law, and is given
late in the progress of society.
Thomas Jefferson


Private property ... is a Creature of Society, and is
subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its
Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing,
its contributors therefore to the public Exigencies are
not to be considered a Benefit on the Public, entitling
the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honor and Power,
but as the Return of an Obligation previously received,
or as payment for a just Debt.
Benjamin Franklin

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Yup, there's the backpeddling from the Modern Age Horatio Alger know as
"Tillman". You would really be making your point if you said that you were
going to simply give it all up, not take any Social Security back during
your retirement years. Of course, that wouldn't be fair though right? You
deserve to get back what you put in right? Wait a second, would you say
that you are entitled to get this money back? Damn, I never thought that
I'd hear a self-made man such as yourself use the word "entitled". Isn't
this word supposed to be used only by unwed,welfare-mothers and
crack-addicts (same thing) right? You know, those people who live off the
government tit.


Yep - you missed it as I figured you would.

Wait a second, would you say
that you are entitled to get this money back?


Hmm - now find the word 'entitled' in anything I wrote above?

You know why I want it back?

Because the Federal Government, regardless of whether it's run by
Repulicans or lib-tards, will do a much worse job than the average
responsible American will at using it constructively.

Well, that's my last word on it to you. Won't waste anymore time trying
to get a gallon of understanding into your 2 oz sized comprehension
threshold.

And, since you obviously do not have the capability to express
intelligent thought, there's no reason to continue reading your
dribble. Off to the lib-tard kill file with you! pinko

Tillman



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You know what - I sure will give up ever cent of my social security
that exceeds the amount that I was forced to contribute at a
rediculously conservative rate of 4% growth compounted annually.
Beyond that, I don't want a dime.




No.


Social security is a welfare program. You were taxed to
provide welfare for old folks when you were working.



Now that you're no longer working, it just happens they
abolished that welfare program.



You get NOTHING. Too bad. This is how republicans operate.
Get over it.



Jim



Nice work clipping just the portion of the post that fit your argument.
Try putting it in context with the whole of the post next time.

Of course it's a tax. It WAS intended to help elderly citizens who were
unable to help themselves, NOT to be their entire retirement plan.

And it should go away. Not all at once, since we do have a
RESPONSIBILTY to see through the dependancies an irresponsibly
conceived, executed and managed program has created.

Or better yet, reduce the total contribution to Social InSecurity to 3%
(both employee and employer) for those over 35 who OPT OUT. Those over
35 who opt to stay in, keep paying the current personal rate (reducing
the employer portion to 1.5%). Don't let anyone under 35 opt in. They
can pay the 3% total too, until the last person on this failed plan is
gone.


You know, they do have a few programs out there that MAY improve your
reading comprehension level.

Tillman

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Steve Lusardi wrote:
This is a very good article. It is correct, but it is not the fault of any
one political party. It is a failure of the system and the demise of the
family unit in the 1st world. This is a global problem, not just the USA.



Shhhhh!

You'll confuse ol' Cliff who WANTS to believe ALL the worlds problems
are solely the fault of one man currently in high office. He has a
few CLOWN friends who think the same way.

You must have missed how perfect things were under the last
administration snicker

His stupid one liners are sure to follow.........

Grummy

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says...

Nice work clipping just the portion of the post that fit your argument.


Your words, are your words sir. If you don't want them
quoted, don't put them down in the first place.

Try putting it in context with the whole of the post next time.


You know, they do have a few programs out there that MAY improve your
reading comprehension level.


Right, but they won't help politicians change social security
at all. This program is indeed the 'third rail' of entitlements.
Touch it, you die. Any changes will have to be made with the
utmost tact and in the most gradual manner imaginable.

It's gonna take a lot more than 'huked on fonix werked fur me'
to unravel that mess. GWB has crashed and burned trying to do it.

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In article , Guido says...

On 31 Oct 2005 13:06:51 -0800, "tillius"
wrote:

You know what - I sure will give up ever cent of my social security
that exceeds the amount that I was forced to contribute at a
rediculously conservative rate of 4% growth compounted annually.
Beyond that, I don't want a dime.


Hmm. I guess I wasn't the only one who found that snippet to
be well-nigh irresistible. Guido, consider yourself spanked
for not pasting the entire thing, from tillius maximus.

Jim



While it is a moot question whether the origin of
any kind of property is derived from Nature at all ...
it is considered by those who have seriously considered
the subject, that no one has, of natural right, a
separate property in an acre of land ... Stable
ownership is the gift of social law, and is given
late in the progress of society.
Thomas Jefferson


Private property ... is a Creature of Society, and is
subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its
Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing,
its contributors therefore to the public Exigencies are
not to be considered a Benefit on the Public, entitling
the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honor and Power,
but as the Return of an Obligation previously received,
or as payment for a just Debt.
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wrote:

Cliff et al.

It is not the Demopublicans or the Republocrats -- it is the
system.


George,
I place the blame soundly at the door of specific parties.
Found those "WMDs" yet?
We very well know who the liars were and are.
Their supporters share the blame.
I see no accountability at all.
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On 31 Oct 2005 10:27:07 -0800, wrote:

I can't envision a better place for you...... you will have NO internet
access there ! Yipeee !!!!


Found those"WMDs" yet?
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wrote:

You know - if YOU don't like the principles this country was founded
on, GET OUT!!!


Found those "WMDs" yet?
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Tillman

Two cheers to you. Somehow personal responsibility in this country has
gone out the door.


Found those "WMDs" yet?
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You must have missed how perfect things were under the last
administration snicker


Found those"WMDs" yet?
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"tillius" wrote in message
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Yeah baby! Woooohoooo.

At least I know I won't be living in a cardboard box because I took
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for my future and BUSTED MY ASS.

You know, they ought to pass a law - if you're TOO STUPID to take care
of yourself, you SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot
clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors,
construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the
park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally
mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the
construction paper doesn't get all soggy.

You know - if YOU don't like the principles this country was founded
on, GET OUT!!! Go to some euroslime socialist pig stye of a
country/euro-state and shout across the pond how much better you have
it there.

and we'll all be happy for you

Tillman



Yeah, you're safe. You have nothing to worry about in your "golden" years.
Famous last words. You are clearly not a bright man so the only way you can
learn anything is the hard way. The only thing we can hope for is that
someday you will eventually see the light. Unfortunately for you that's only
going to happen when you have a health crisis like a stroke or Alzheimer's
or the like that drains you of all your assets that you were counting on and
leaves you penniless. So for the sake of your learning we'll just have to
hope that you have a health situation that ruins you. Then you will finally
learn what everyone meant when they said things were going down the drain.

Hawke




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At least I know I won't be living in a cardboard box because I took
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for my future and BUSTED MY ASS.

You know, they ought to pass a law - if you're TOO STUPID to take care
of yourself, you SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot
clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors,
construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the
park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally
mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the
construction paper doesn't get all soggy.


Wow Shill-man, you must have sat up all night composing that last

paragraph.
I can tell that you were working at the outer limits of your personal
creativity envelope. Since you took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your

future
and BUSTED YOUR ASS, I guess that you'll be willing to surrending all of
your Social Security withholdings and live off the fruits of your

superhuman
labor when you get on up into retirement age, right?

Don't get all righteous and start spouting off about you wanting to keep
what is rightfully yours! If you keep one cent of your Social Security
savings then you aren't being true to your "conservative" ideals and

rugged
individuality. If you take one cent of Social Security, then you too will
become a "Lib-tard".



Boy are you right on but the personal responsibility guys sure sing a
different song when times change. I have an uncle that always said the same
thing and still does. The thing is that he's almost 70 now and he has Social
Security, gets medical care from the VA and Medicare, he has a device so he
can breathe when he sleeps that costs thousands of dollars, and he gets
discounted energy bills just to name a few of the freebies he takes in
handouts, all the while talking that same personal responsibility crap.

These bozos flapping their gums about personal responsibility change their
tune the minute life hands them a bad hand. Then they are right up at the
front of the line to claim their benefits. Those guys are full of crap.
Their word isn't worth a damn. They remind me of guys who tell you how brave
and tough they are but run like cowards the minute the shooting starts. You
know the type. They call themselves Republicans.

Hawke


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You know what - I sure will give up ever cent of my social security
that exceeds the amount that I was forced to contribute at a
rediculously conservative rate of 4% growth compounted annually.
Beyond that, I don't want a dime.


No.

Social security is a welfare program. You were taxed to
provide welfare for old folks when you were working.

Now that you're no longer working, it just happens they
abolished that welfare program.

You get NOTHING. Too bad. This is how republicans operate.
Get over it.

Jim


Not quite Jim but close. First, Republicans take over the program. Then they
run it into the ground by mismanagement causing it to go bankrupt. Then they
tell you that you get nothing because it's like Enron, we lost all your
money. Sorry.

Hawke


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wrote:


At least I know I won't be living in a cardboard box because I took
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for my future and BUSTED MY ASS.

You know, they ought to pass a law - if you're TOO STUPID to take care
of yourself, you SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!

That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot
clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors,
construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the
park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally
mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the
construction paper doesn't get all soggy.


Wow Shill-man, you must have sat up all night composing that last

paragraph.
I can tell that you were working at the outer limits of your personal
creativity envelope. Since you took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your

future
and BUSTED YOUR ASS, I guess that you'll be willing to surrending all of
your Social Security withholdings and live off the fruits of your

superhuman
labor when you get on up into retirement age, right?

Don't get all righteous and start spouting off about you wanting to keep
what is rightfully yours! If you keep one cent of your Social Security
savings then you aren't being true to your "conservative" ideals and

rugged
individuality. If you take one cent of Social Security, then you too will
become a "Lib-tard".



Boy are you right on but the personal responsibility guys sure sing a
different song when times change. I have an uncle that always said the same
thing and still does. The thing is that he's almost 70 now and he has Social
Security, gets medical care from the VA and Medicare, he has a device so he
can breathe when he sleeps that costs thousands of dollars, and he gets
discounted energy bills just to name a few of the freebies he takes in
handouts, all the while talking that same personal responsibility crap.

These bozos flapping their gums about personal responsibility change their
tune the minute life hands them a bad hand. Then they are right up at the
front of the line to claim their benefits. Those guys are full of crap.
Their word isn't worth a damn. They remind me of guys who tell you how brave
and tough they are but run like cowards the minute the shooting starts. You
know the type. They call themselves Republicans.

Hawke


Gunner ran right off to the hospital when he could not pay
in advance, if ever at all .....
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You get NOTHING. Too bad. This is how republicans operate.
Get over it.



Jim


FDR was a Republican?????????

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner
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Cliff wrote:
On 31 Oct 2005 12:21:59 -0800, wrote:


Tillman

Two cheers to you. Somehow personal responsibility in this country has
gone out the door.



Found those "WMDs" yet?

Cliffie, get a life, or at least find a new one line answer.
lib-turds always a laugh a minute at the stupidity.
Marc


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Don't confuze tweetie byrd with facts
Marc

Gunner Asch wrote:
You get NOTHING. Too bad. This is how republicans operate.
Get over it.



Jim



FDR was a Republican?????????

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Poor scared little hawke. Scared life will get too difficult for him to
handle so he wants to make sure big-daddy gov is there to take care of
things so he don't have to worry his little lib-tard head about it and
deal with real life.

I don't need the safety net as a way of life. I'm all in favor of
safety nets for those who do fall on bad times, just to get them
through. Private safety nets are a better idea than the govt. corrupted
ones.

I take exception with lumping VA benefits in with welfare. If a man
serves his country and is injured in that service, that's the least we
can do.

Tillman

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hawke's lib-tarded dribble:

Unfortunately for you that's only
going to happen when you have a health crisis like a stroke or Alzheimer's
or the like that drains you of all your assets that you were counting on and
leaves you penniless.


I dunno. Seems I plan for emergencies. It's called not spending every
friggin dime you have on fast food, worthless crap and credit card
debt. It's called catastrophic medical insurance. It's called long term
care insurance. It's called building an emergency fund.

It's called, if my neighbor has a problem and he wasn't prepared
enough, I'm stepping up to plate to help him out. In exchange for that
help, I expect my neighbor to prepare better for the future. If he
doesn't, my help next time will be more harm than help, because it
enables him to continue in foolish ways.

hawke, put down the crack pipe and let the fog clear. It's not that
difficult to understand.

So for the sake of your learning we'll just have to
hope that you have a health situation that ruins you.


Awww - such a nice expression of the kind hearted, compassionate,
caring lib-tards.
I, on the other hand, wish you well, good health, for goodness sake,
that your IQ someday climbs above 35 so you might have a chance a
grasping common sense concepts.

Tillman

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In article . com, tillius
says...

... Seems I plan for emergencies. It's called not spending every
friggin dime you have on fast food, worthless crap and credit card
debt. It's called catastrophic medical insurance. It's called long term
care insurance. It's called building an emergency fund.


That's a great plan. You're not gonna pay for much catastrophic
health care by skipping your daily mcD's trip.

Have you checked out what this stuff costs lately?

Home heathcare aid, maybe $100 per day.

Room in a nursing home, $300, maybe 350 per day.

Physical Therapy, about $100 bucks for a one-hour session.

Now as far as real hospitalization goes, the sky's the
limit. Folks really have no clue about how rapidly the
US heathcare system can gobble up cash. None of it's wasted
mind you, that's just HOW MUCH IT COSTS. And then folks
like you come along and say 'I don't need that, I'll manage
on my own.' Or the ever-popular, most often heard "I'm
not paying for that for everyone else."

Then they wind up in the thick of it. Tillius my buddy,
I hope you never have wound up in the thick of it, and I
hope you never do. But when you do, don't think too badly
of yourself if you change your tune and say, "damn, there's
gotta be a way to get somebody else to help out here, I'm
at the end of my checkbook rope."

Better folks than you have had that rude awakening.

Look at our resident neocon Gunner. His family's heathcare
costs would be crippling if they weren't covered by
government medical welfare programs. That's what they're
there for, to pay cripplingly huge medical bills.

What's your perfect world, you stop insurance programs like
that?

Jim


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Cliffie, get a life, or at least find a new one line answer.
lib-turds always a laugh a minute at the stupidity.
Marc


I like that sig line that debating with liberals is like clubbing baby
seals. It's just too easy, and quickly becomes boring.

Or something like that.

But it IS descriptive of debating with liberals. And when they can't cite
any facts to back up their position, they say some ootsey cutesy one liner
or attack personally.

I just don't understand it. Everyone can pick their own political party.
The Democrats are so envious of the Republicans, yet they fail to grasp the
concept that they can actually BE a Republican. Just go out and get a job.
Risk all you own to start a business. Learn to play golf. Give up the
whining that when Republicans handle the budget, it is theft; but when the
Democrats overtax and give it to people who don't want to work, it's called
humanitarianism. Hell, rich Republicans contribute 85% or more of all
monies collected by the IRS anyway. AND, Democrats are eligible for all the
tax breaks that Republicans use, it is just that they won't take the time to
learn them. Or that they are jealous that saving 5% on taxes brings a
person with a million dollar a year income more than they will get with the
same deduction. So get off your duff and make a million and have all that
extra money. It's simple.

It's only the old 80/20 rule of society that goes back to when they used
rocks for money. At any time, 20% of the people have 80% of the money. If
you confiscate all money, and redistribute it evenly, in a very short time,
20% of the people will have 80% of the money.

Prostitution is not the oldest profession, as some people claim. Sales is.
And what is sales, but some energetic ambitious Republican getting money out
of some couch potato Democrat?

IT'S NOT FAIR! IT'S NOT FAIR! Well, no ****, Sherlock. So cope. You're
an adult. Get out there and get some for yourself. Griping about things in
America is like going to a free buffet, sitting there and not getting any
food, waiting to be served, and then leaving and complaining about how bad
it was.

Everyone has the right to be happy successful and secure. And the means are
located at the end of their own two arms. Not in any government who sells
them the idea that they will take care of them by taking money from the evil
rich people and giving it to the downtrodden.

I prefer nature. If you don't get out there and work for it every day, you
just don't eat. And I don't want to hear any sad stories of disabled
people. I am permanently totally disabled, and still work. I know blind
people and people in wheelchairs that work.

It's all in the attitude. Some want to do all they can. And some want to
sit and watch PPV WWF Wrestling, scream, "Where's mah checccck" and call
Meals on Wheels for free food AND delivery.

And then there's Cliff and his ilk that obviously want to do nothing but
screech all day. No time left to work. Why don't they at least get a job
writing for a newspaper or publication where they can share all their vast
intellect and solutions for the salvation of mankind? Because they're not
into solutions, but just like to hear their own screeching.

BTW, I get SS based on money I put in while working, and a union pension
from a job I chose as a career because I knew it had benefits. And I still
horsetrade for spending money. My golden years are going to be spent
enjoying what I make. Catastrophic illness can't wipe me out because I have
structured all my assets in trusts that can't be touched. Something anyone
can do. And when I did have a catastrophic illness, cabgx5 avr, insurance
covered all but $3,000 out of $230,000. And that was paid for by my paying
insurance premiums for 30 years. Something any Democrat or Republican can
do.

RANT OFF.

I feel better. Where's mah checcccck?

Steve


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Nice Rant!

Tillman

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tillius wrote:
hawke's lib-tarded dribble:


Unfortunately for you that's only
going to happen when you have a health crisis like a stroke or Alzheimer's
or the like that drains you of all your assets that you were counting on and
leaves you penniless.



I dunno. Seems I plan for emergencies. It's called not spending every
friggin dime you have on fast food, worthless crap and credit card
debt. It's called catastrophic medical insurance. It's called long term
care insurance. It's called building an emergency fund.

It's called, if my neighbor has a problem and he wasn't prepared
enough, I'm stepping up to plate to help him out. In exchange for that
help, I expect my neighbor to prepare better for the future. If he
doesn't, my help next time will be more harm than help, because it
enables him to continue in foolish ways.

hawke, put down the crack pipe and let the fog clear. It's not that
difficult to understand.


So for the sake of your learning we'll just have to
hope that you have a health situation that ruins you.



Awww - such a nice expression of the kind hearted, compassionate,
caring lib-tards.
I, on the other hand, wish you well, good health, for goodness sake,
that your IQ someday climbs above 35 so you might have a chance a
grasping common sense concepts.

Tillman

Well said, now the personal attacks will start from the lib-turds, oh
wait tweetie byrd already did that.
Marc
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In the specific case of the defined benefit corporate pensions,
what exactly are the people to do? In good faith, the employees
accepted management promises that if they would defer immediate
cash compensation for their labor, the money would be invested to
provide a pension with medical care after they retired. It is
not their fault that management either never invested the money
(i.e. stole it) or invested in it non-productive areas.

If the abrogation of defined benefit pensions by corporate
America though sham chapter 11 bankruptcys is allowed to proceed,
particularly when combined with an implosion of the domestic
real-estate sector caused by elimination of the mortgage interest
deduction, the effect on the stock/bond markets and financial
structure will be catastrophic.

It is only a short step from the disavowal of corporate pensions
to the abrogation of obligations under the Social Security act,
and then only a shot hop to the invalidation of U.S. bonds and a
currency recall. (The government appears to be ginning up
justification for this by the stories about North Korea's
counterfeiting of the 100$ bill.)

Is the next step to blame the people for keeping their retirement
funds in stocks, bonds, money market accounts and U.S. paper
money? Are the only people "worthy" of a comfortable retirement
those who bought and held gold? (If so they had better put some
of their retirement funds in guns and ammunition….)

America of 2005 is a very 'brittle" society/culture with little
flexibility or adaptability by most of its
residents/institutions. The large majority of the American
population lives in mega-urban areas, which as New Orleans
proved, are "death traps," if anything goes wrong (and it always
does - the question is "when" not "if").

We seem to have two groups here, both of which in my not so
humble opinion need to step back and carefully examine their
tacit assumptions about the typical individual within American
society, American cultural values, and the current and likely
short term future American economy/infrastructure.

It is wisely observed that there are only a very few things you
can do by yourself, one of which is to die. No matter how well
you prepare and no matter how much determination you have, at the
end of you life you will be dependent on others, if only for your
funeral/burial. At the other end of life, the young must depend
on one or more adults for food, shelter and clothing (and
hopefully education). Even during their best years as adults,
most people will find they must rely on others from time to time
for services such as medical care, emergency services (fire and
police) and common defense which they cannot provide for
themselves (in any meaningful way).

On the other hand there is the compulsion of increasing numbers
of people in positions of authority, as government and as
employers, to meddle in every aspect of life from the amount and
type foods people eat, what types of activities they engage in,
even to how tight they wear their shoes. In itself this is a
major PITA, but even more egregious is the rapidly increasing
trend of these people to micromanage every aspect of individual
activity while ignoring activities for which they are accountable
(i.e. activities for which they have both the capability and
responsibility to act on). A few of these are uncontrolled
immigration, de-industrialization, financial irregularities,
economic perturbations (such as the dot cons, derivatives,
currency speculation and the real-estate bubble) and
physical/social infrastructure deterioration.

The reality is that the days of the "rugged individualist" have
long been over, if they were ever here in the first place. On
careful examination of the historical record, it appears this
myth developed because of what we refer to in the trade as "file
drawer bias." That is of 1000 erstwhile "rugged
individualists," 999 died in the attempt, and the sole survivor
told their story. There is also the "the older I get, the better
I was" phenomena.

GmcD
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Catastrophic Health care - $5000 annual deductable, $3,000,000
individual cap - $6,000,000 family cap. family of 5 NS parents in
early-mid 40's - monthly cost $235.00

Long Term Care Insurance - my wife and myself - $162.00 / mo - $400/day
36 months maximum benefit (3 years for you lib-tards). Also have a home
health care rider - up to $250/day - 60 months covered.

Since I save and pay cash for my vehicles and other purchased goods,
the money most people waste in interest payments easily takes care of
my insurance needs.

I've been blessed not to have any catastrophic health issues, other
than my youngest son having a tortacollis and a vascular ring around
his esophagus. Physical therapy ran about $75.00 / week and his med
bills were $20,000ish. We paid the 5K out of our emergency fund. No
Problem. He's doing wonderful now, by the way.

We have had financial catastrophe hit - back in 98. Seems some
off-shore scam artist ran a big scam on me and I fell for it. Bought a
truck load of computers that didn't exist. Yep - sold a bunch of em
too.

Wiped me out. Had to sell house, cars, business inventory, everything
except our cloths and personal items (no monetary value) to clean the
mess up. Also suffered major reputation burn and was unable to continue
operating my consulting/sales business in the area. Had to start again
from scratch.

Did it tho - without debt, without welfare. We did accept a few bags of
groceries from our Church and they helped us out with 3 months of rent
on a small house until I could get working again. Then we went back to
tithing, so the resources would be there to help someone else out when
they NEED it, but not as a way of life.

Don't confuse the two.

tillman wrote:
It's called, if my neighbor has a problem and he wasn't prepared
enough, I'm stepping up to plate to help him out. In exchange for that
help, I expect my neighbor to prepare better for the future. If he
doesn't, my help next time will be more harm than help, because it
enables him to continue in foolish ways.



Tillman

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