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Heliweld arc stabilizer
Ignoramus18245 wrote:
I just won a 4x4x2 ft box of tools that includes a "heliweld arc stabilizer". ($400 total). I am curious if I can somehow use it and other low cost components to make a nice wire or tig welder. I think you'll find it's basically made of what will look a lot like a transformer, but is in fact a big inductor. This will tend to even out changes in current, since inductors resist changes in current. So you might be able to make an AC transformer into a decent CC welder. Yes, TIG welders are CC, but it takes more than an arc stabilizer to make a TIG welder. Wire? Forget it -- for that you need CV, which calls for a big-ass bank of capacitors. GWE |
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Ignoramus18245 wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:16:24 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: Ignoramus18245 wrote: I just won a 4x4x2 ft box of tools that includes a "heliweld arc stabilizer". ($400 total). I am curious if I can somehow use it and other low cost components to make a nice wire or tig welder. I think you'll find it's basically made of what will look a lot like a transformer, but is in fact a big inductor. This will tend to even out changes in current, since inductors resist changes in current. So you might be able to make an AC transformer into a decent CC welder. Yes, TIG welders are CC, but it takes more than an arc stabilizer to make a TIG welder. Thanks. Wire? Forget it -- for that you need CV, which calls for a big-ass bank of capacitors. How big ass? I am asking because I have some seriously big capacitors right now. My Millermatic 250 uses 8 15000 uF 45VDC electrolytics in parallel. It's the only data point I have. Obviously, more would be better. GWE |
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It may be a unit to add high voltage to a welder. It would make
restarting an arc with 7018 a lot easier. Dan Ignoramus18245 wrote: I just won a 4x4x2 ft box of tools that includes a "heliweld arc stabilizer". ($400 total). I am curious if I can somehow use it and other low cost components to make a nice wire or tig welder. |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:30:44 GMT, Ignoramus18245
wrote: On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:16:24 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: Ignoramus18245 wrote: I just won a 4x4x2 ft box of tools that includes a "heliweld arc stabilizer". ($400 total). I am curious if I can somehow use it and other low cost components to make a nice wire or tig welder. I think you'll find it's basically made of what will look a lot like a transformer, but is in fact a big inductor. This will tend to even out changes in current, since inductors resist changes in current. So you might be able to make an AC transformer into a decent CC welder. Yes, TIG welders are CC, but it takes more than an arc stabilizer to make a TIG welder. Thanks. Wire? Forget it -- for that you need CV, which calls for a big-ass bank of capacitors. How big ass? I am asking because I have some seriously big capacitors right now. Millermatic 210: four 30,000 uF 45 volt |
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Normally these add high frequency output to an AC welder power source
to stabilize the output for TIG welding. Cheers, Kelley On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:54:10 GMT, Ignoramus18245 wrote: I just won a 4x4x2 ft box of tools that includes a "heliweld arc stabilizer". ($400 total). I am curious if I can somehow use it and other low cost components to make a nice wire or tig welder. |
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On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:57:29 GMT, Ignoramus4038
wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:21:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher wrote: Normally these add high frequency output to an AC welder power source to stabilize the output for TIG welding. Thanks. So, with this, I could make a "tig welder" by adding a gun and inert gas? Is that right? And could I weld steel and aluminum with that? i completely ignorant about welding No this would add high frequency to the normal output of a DC welder. High frequency is used to initiate the arc for TIG welding. This is done so that you don't have to contaminate the tungsten by scratch starting the arc. You can TIG weld with most DC welders but it requires contact with the work piece to start the arc. High frequency is a way to avoid it. What high frequency means is basically a very high voltage at a high frequency which is impressed over the normal DC voltage of the welder in order to start the arc without touching the work. This is what really separates the TIG welders from the Stick welders. There are other features on the newer (and older high end) TIG welders as well but this is the real difference. Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm |
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You're correct, Wayne, I should have said something about high
frequency arc starting. It's possible that the unit in question would work on DC. However, I'm pretty sure since, it's called a stabilizer, it will at least supply continuous high frequency output for an AC power source. Continuous high frequency is used to stabilize AC for aluminum TIG welding. So, until there is more information on the exact model of the device, I think that, with the addition of a TIG torch and gas, minimally, it should allow TIG welding. Cheers, Kelley On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:06:42 -0500, Wayne Cook wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:57:29 GMT, Ignoramus4038 wrote: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:21:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher wrote: Normally these add high frequency output to an AC welder power source to stabilize the output for TIG welding. Thanks. So, with this, I could make a "tig welder" by adding a gun and inert gas? Is that right? And could I weld steel and aluminum with that? i completely ignorant about welding No this would add high frequency to the normal output of a DC welder. High frequency is used to initiate the arc for TIG welding. This is done so that you don't have to contaminate the tungsten by scratch starting the arc. You can TIG weld with most DC welders but it requires contact with the work piece to start the arc. High frequency is a way to avoid it. What high frequency means is basically a very high voltage at a high frequency which is impressed over the normal DC voltage of the welder in order to start the arc without touching the work. This is what really separates the TIG welders from the Stick welders. There are other features on the newer (and older high end) TIG welders as well but this is the real difference. Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm |
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:57:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher
wrote: You're correct, Wayne, I should have said something about high frequency arc starting. It's possible that the unit in question would work on DC. However, I'm pretty sure since, it's called a stabilizer, it will at least supply continuous high frequency output for an AC power source. Continuous high frequency is used to stabilize AC for aluminum TIG welding. I did say DC didn't I. I wasn't thinking to well last night. I've been sick this weekend and I'm not in top form. Yes it will provide high frequency for both AC and DC but it won't provide the welding current if it's what I think it is. For that he'll need a stick welder of some form preferably a AC/DC unit with remote capability. Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm |
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"Ignoramus5361" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:57:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher So, with a heliweld, gas, torch, and an AC buzzbox, I could have a tig welder that would work on both steel and aluminum? i I You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. You wont need the High Freq High Voltage with DC TIG with this machine you are describing. You will need the HFHV if you want to use this machine on AC. AC is really a must for aluminum When it is complted, it is very unlikely that the welds made with the machine will resemble what is normally be considered TIG welds. It is my observation that it is interesting to build a welding machine that uses the principals of the conventional TIG welding machine. But, if the ultimate goal is to actually do TIG welding, you awill almost certainly be dissatisfied with a buzzbox and a TIG torch. If if it is your intention to actually do some TIG welding, wait till you find one thats affordable. You are really good at finding very good stuff, cheap. Jerry (who has built several home brew TIG machines) |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:31:10 GMT, Ignoramus5361
wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:11:46 -0500, Wayne Cook wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:57:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher wrote: You're correct, Wayne, I should have said something about high frequency arc starting. It's possible that the unit in question would work on DC. However, I'm pretty sure since, it's called a stabilizer, it will at least supply continuous high frequency output for an AC power source. Continuous high frequency is used to stabilize AC for aluminum TIG welding. I did say DC didn't I. I wasn't thinking to well last night. I've been sick this weekend and I'm not in top form. Yes it will provide high frequency for both AC and DC but it won't provide the welding current if it's what I think it is. For that he'll need a stick welder of some form preferably a AC/DC unit with remote capability. So, then, AC/DC plus Heliweld plus gun plus gas == TIG Welder? Pretty much. The only problem with using a AC/DC buzz box is that they don't have remote amperage control which is while not a necessity it is a extremely nice thing to have while TIG welding. There has been a few people on this group with a similar setup in the past. If you can find a little higher quality stick welder that has the provisions for remote control then you would be better off. Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook/index.htm |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:37 GMT, Ignoramus5361
wrote: How about a Miller DialArc 250, would it work for me? Yes, much better than a buzzbox with addons. (Been there, done that) The DialArc HF has the high-freq start built in, essential for aluminum though your Heliweld may accomplish that as an addon. |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:00 GMT, Ignoramus5361
wrote: Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. I have a Dialarc 250HF. The HF means it has the high freq start built in. The external HF I used with a buzzbox worked OK; the big improvement was that the Dialarc just welds considerably better. It's probably more "constant current" than a buzzbox. There is certainly a lot more copper and iron there, at 480 lb. I've had it for about 10 years now and am still completely satisfied with it. I use it on both steel and aluminum. I recently had a guy who'd worked in a welding shop tell me the shop replaced their Dialarcs with Synchrowaves -- and the guys doing the welding (including him) didn't like the Synchrowaves nearly as well. He said they had more trouble getting consistently good welds, as in making tanks with no leaks first try. Some of the newer TIG machines have lots more bells and whistles, but a number of people have told me that the old Dialarc was a good machine capable of doing good work. |
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"Ignoramus5361" wrote in message news On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:56:50 GMT, Jerry Martes wrote: "Ignoramus5361" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:57:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher So, with a heliweld, gas, torch, and an AC buzzbox, I could have a tig welder that would work on both steel and aluminum? i I You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. You wont need the High Freq High Voltage with DC TIG with this machine you are describing. I am not sure what does that imply. Are you saying that I do no need the heliweld part? You will need the HFHV if you want to use this machine on AC. AC is really a must for aluminum Got it. Aluminum is not a big priority for me, but it would be nice as several important parts on my boat are made of it. When it is complted, it is very unlikely that the welds made with the machine will resemble what is normally be considered TIG welds. It is my observation that it is interesting to build a welding machine that uses the principals of the conventional TIG welding machine. But, if the ultimate goal is to actually do TIG welding, you awill almost certainly be dissatisfied with a buzzbox and a TIG torch. Got it. If if it is your intention to actually do some TIG welding, wait till you find one thats affordable. You are really good at finding very good stuff, cheap. Thanks for the compliment. It is harder to find great deals with welders, as I have discovered, but I will keep waiting and looking. I already own the heliweld (have not picked it up yet), so I will just sell it. i I Wait-wait, dont sell the HF (high voltage maker) if you expect to get a Miller Dialarc 250 AC/DC. If the Miller you get doesnt already have a HF in it, you could certainly build a good TIG with a stick welder that includes remote current control. Earlier I was identifying the characteristic of TIG where it is possible to scratch start an arc with the Tungsten and it will remain an arc with DC. That wont work with AC. Jerry |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:12:05 GMT, Ignoramus23186
wrote: On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:14:52 -0500, Don Foreman wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:37 GMT, Ignoramus5361 wrote: How about a Miller DialArc 250, would it work for me? Yes, much better than a buzzbox with addons. Thanks. For tig welding with it, though, I still need an arc stabilizer and gas and gun etc, those would qualify as "addons", right? (Been there, done that) The DialArc HF has the high-freq start built in, essential for aluminum though your Heliweld may accomplish that as an addon. The one I am eyeing does not have HF mentioned anywhere on it... I did a little googling. The Heliweld Arc Stabilizer is defintely an HF unit sold by Airco. With that and a Dialarc 250 you should be able to do some very nice TIG welding both on steel and aluminum. |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:56:50 GMT, "Jerry Martes"
wrote: "Ignoramus5361" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:57:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher So, with a heliweld, gas, torch, and an AC buzzbox, I could have a tig welder that would work on both steel and aluminum? i I You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. You wont need the High Freq High Voltage with DC TIG with this machine you are describing. You will need the HFHV if you want to use this machine on AC. AC is really a must for aluminum When it is complted, it is very unlikely that the welds made with the machine will resemble what is normally be considered TIG welds. It is my observation that it is interesting to build a welding machine that uses the principals of the conventional TIG welding machine. But, if the ultimate goal is to actually do TIG welding, you awill almost certainly be dissatisfied with a buzzbox and a TIG torch. If if it is your intention to actually do some TIG welding, wait till you find one thats affordable. You are really good at finding very good stuff, cheap. Jerry (who has built several home brew TIG machines) Indeed. In fact, Ive personally turned away a number of Tig machines over the last couple months, simply because I dont need any more than the 3 that I now own..the most expensive was $300. They are out there, in growing numbers as the inverter based hip slick and cool machines start taking over the market and the older, bigger and heavier transformer based machines are retired, not because they dont work..but because they are simply older, bigger and heavier. Never overlook your local welding machine repair shop. They often get machines in for repair that had only a few things wrong with them, cheaply fixed, but the owners decided to buy a new machine and abandonded them. One of the posters here got two of them for $100 after I gave him a heads up. Another Miller Dialarc 250HF was for sale for $150 at a machine tool dealer. Reliable tool had a complete but filthy one, cooler, torches and bottles that went out the door for $150, simply because it was too nastly looking to put up on their auction site. And it worked perfectly. I tested it. They are out there, ya just have to look for em. Gunner, who finally dialed in his absolutely mint Airco PulseArc 350 MIG welder and got it running beautifly on his 5hp rotary phase converter, this weekend. (swapped for) and its sitting next to his absolutely mint Airco Squarewave 300 Tig (came with Bernard cooler, cart, hoses, torch, stick setup and bottle) (swapped) and on the other side of the welding table (which is over the Miller Dialarc 300 stick machine ($50), the DanMig 200 Mig (gift) and opposite the Lincoln Tig 250/250 which was the worst deal as it cost him $150 and two Simpson 260s (from a welding machine repair shop) and also was complete with torches and stick, and two busted Lincoln Magnum coolers which he made into one good one. |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:00 GMT, Ignoramus5361
wrote: You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. That is one of the best rock solid stick welders ever made. AC/DC They made a HF version which had TIG capabilities built into the same box, The stock DialArc has been a mainstay in California school shops simply because they were so hard to kill. Gunner |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:06:56 GMT, Ignoramus23186
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:00 GMT, Ignoramus5361 wrote: You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. That is one of the best rock solid stick welders ever made. AC/DC They made a HF version which had TIG capabilities built into the same box, The stock DialArc has been a mainstay in California school shops simply because they were so hard to kill. That's nice to know. I will try to get it. Can I store it outdoors (maybe covered with tarp)? I am in Midwest, with its climate. i I store mine under the welding table, outdoors. But ...I think Id tarp yours if I were you. Or better yet, slide it under a work bench. Its not all that long. A simple low cart with casters will make it easy to slide in and out, and can be used from under the bench handily. Gunner |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:05:53 GMT, Ignoramus23186
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:07:26 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 01:56:50 GMT, "Jerry Martes" wrote: "Ignoramus5361" wrote in message m... On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:57:34 -0700, Kelley Mascher So, with a heliweld, gas, torch, and an AC buzzbox, I could have a tig welder that would work on both steel and aluminum? i I You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. You wont need the High Freq High Voltage with DC TIG with this machine you are describing. You will need the HFHV if you want to use this machine on AC. AC is really a must for aluminum When it is complted, it is very unlikely that the welds made with the machine will resemble what is normally be considered TIG welds. It is my observation that it is interesting to build a welding machine that uses the principals of the conventional TIG welding machine. But, if the ultimate goal is to actually do TIG welding, you awill almost certainly be dissatisfied with a buzzbox and a TIG torch. If if it is your intention to actually do some TIG welding, wait till you find one thats affordable. You are really good at finding very good stuff, cheap. Jerry (who has built several home brew TIG machines) Indeed. In fact, Ive personally turned away a number of Tig machines over the last couple months, simply because I dont need any more than the 3 that I now own..the most expensive was $300. They are out there, in growing numbers as the inverter based hip slick and cool machines start taking over the market and the older, bigger and heavier transformer based machines are retired, not because they dont work..but because they are simply older, bigger and heavier. Never overlook your local welding machine repair shop. They often get machines in for repair that had only a few things wrong with them, cheaply fixed, but the owners decided to buy a new machine and abandonded them. One of the posters here got two of them for $100 after I gave him a heads up. Another Miller Dialarc 250HF was for sale for $150 at a machine tool dealer. Reliable tool had a complete but filthy one, cooler, torches and bottles that went out the door for $150, simply because it was too nastly looking to put up on their auction site. And it worked perfectly. I tested it. I will definitely call some welding repair shops. A great idea. Thanks! i Frankly..its better to simply show up and chat with the owner or manager. Often times over the phone they will blow you off. When you show up and tell em you are a newbie looking to get into tig/welding, they will generally go a bit farther in thinking about what machines over yonder in the scrap pile were easily fixed etc. just a heads up. And you add another face to your "network" Gunner |
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"Ignoramus23186" wrote in message news On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:25:17 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:06:56 GMT, Ignoramus23186 wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:00 GMT, Ignoramus5361 wrote: You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. That is one of the best rock solid stick welders ever made. AC/DC They made a HF version which had TIG capabilities built into the same box, The stock DialArc has been a mainstay in California school shops simply because they were so hard to kill. That's nice to know. I will try to get it. Can I store it outdoors (maybe covered with tarp)? I am in Midwest, with its climate. i I store mine under the welding table, outdoors. But ...I think Id tarp yours if I were you. Or better yet, slide it under a work bench. Its not all that long. A simple low cart with casters will make it easy to slide in and out, and can be used from under the bench handily. I basically have very limited space in my garage. I made a bench on wheels yesterday, which I will use for grinding. I will have a 1/2HP baldor grinder, little wet wheel sharpenet, and a chop saw on it. Made out of old kitchen cabinet and wheels from a demolished UPS. The idea is that since grinding is dirty, I could pull out the grinding bench/cart outside and do my grinding outdoors without contaminating the garage with crap. It will be healthier too. I cannot have many such carts in my garage basically, without being ridiculous. Plus, welding is healthier outdoors. Hence my question about outdoor storage. I could make some doghouse for the welder also. i I If you intend to weld outdoors, you might want to re-consider investigating in a TIG welder. For example, what would you be welding that a stick/buzzbox wouldnt weld? TIG sure doesnt like wind. TIG really likes Very Clean metal. The electronics in the TIG doesnt like water. Then there is the price of a buzzbox compared to a TIG. The TIG even requires the bottles plus gas plus special rod. My advice would be for you to wait till you really need the TIG, and use a buzzbox till then. You could store a buzzbox in a trash can if there isnt room for it in a corner of the garage. I know, thats enough BS from me. You do what ever is best for you. Jerry |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:28:19 GMT, Ignoramus23186
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:25:17 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:06:56 GMT, Ignoramus23186 wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:00 GMT, Ignoramus5361 wrote: You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. That is one of the best rock solid stick welders ever made. AC/DC They made a HF version which had TIG capabilities built into the same box, The stock DialArc has been a mainstay in California school shops simply because they were so hard to kill. That's nice to know. I will try to get it. Can I store it outdoors (maybe covered with tarp)? I am in Midwest, with its climate. i I store mine under the welding table, outdoors. But ...I think Id tarp yours if I were you. Or better yet, slide it under a work bench. Its not all that long. A simple low cart with casters will make it easy to slide in and out, and can be used from under the bench handily. I basically have very limited space in my garage. I made a bench on wheels yesterday, which I will use for grinding. I will have a 1/2HP baldor grinder, little wet wheel sharpenet, and a chop saw on it. Made out of old kitchen cabinet and wheels from a demolished UPS. The idea is that since grinding is dirty, I could pull out the grinding bench/cart outside and do my grinding outdoors without contaminating the garage with crap. It will be healthier too. I cannot have many such carts in my garage basically, without being ridiculous. Plus, welding is healthier outdoors. Hence my question about outdoor storage. I could make some doghouse for the welder also. i Oh oh...time to scrounge a Shop. One of those 8x20 or 8x 40 SeaTrain containers will make a great shop. Mil-surp too G A doghouse would be best then. I dont think it will survive being out in the open. Here..average rainfall per YEAR is around 4"(inches) Oh..btw..I scrounged up 6 Lincoln "LinConditioners" last week. They look like shop vacs. with a big ceramic filter thingy bobby inside and are used to suck in welding smoke, and exhaust clean(er) air. All work just hunky dory if anyone needs one, and I have the owners manuals (copies) Gunner |
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On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:06:41 GMT, "Jerry Martes"
wrote: "Ignoramus23186" wrote in message news On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:25:17 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:06:56 GMT, Ignoramus23186 wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:00 GMT, Ignoramus5361 wrote: You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. That is one of the best rock solid stick welders ever made. AC/DC They made a HF version which had TIG capabilities built into the same box, The stock DialArc has been a mainstay in California school shops simply because they were so hard to kill. That's nice to know. I will try to get it. Can I store it outdoors (maybe covered with tarp)? I am in Midwest, with its climate. i I store mine under the welding table, outdoors. But ...I think Id tarp yours if I were you. Or better yet, slide it under a work bench. Its not all that long. A simple low cart with casters will make it easy to slide in and out, and can be used from under the bench handily. I basically have very limited space in my garage. I made a bench on wheels yesterday, which I will use for grinding. I will have a 1/2HP baldor grinder, little wet wheel sharpenet, and a chop saw on it. Made out of old kitchen cabinet and wheels from a demolished UPS. The idea is that since grinding is dirty, I could pull out the grinding bench/cart outside and do my grinding outdoors without contaminating the garage with crap. It will be healthier too. I cannot have many such carts in my garage basically, without being ridiculous. Plus, welding is healthier outdoors. Hence my question about outdoor storage. I could make some doghouse for the welder also. i I If you intend to weld outdoors, you might want to re-consider investigating in a TIG welder. For example, what would you be welding that a stick/buzzbox wouldnt weld? TIG sure doesnt like wind. TIG really likes Very Clean metal. The electronics in the TIG doesnt like water. Then there is the price of a buzzbox compared to a TIG. The TIG even requires the bottles plus gas plus special rod. My advice would be for you to wait till you really need the TIG, and use a buzzbox till then. You could store a buzzbox in a trash can if there isnt room for it in a corner of the garage. I know, thats enough BS from me. You do what ever is best for you. Jerry Jerry...want one of those smoke vacuums? Free for you of course. And I will deliver. Gunner |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:06:41 GMT, "Jerry Martes" wrote: "Ignoramus23186" wrote in message news On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:25:17 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:06:56 GMT, Ignoramus23186 wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:09:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:23:00 GMT, Ignoramus5361 wrote: You'll want to make the buzzbox DC if you want to work with steel. Thanks. There is a Miller DialArc 250 that I am eyeing. That is one of the best rock solid stick welders ever made. AC/DC They made a HF version which had TIG capabilities built into the same box, The stock DialArc has been a mainstay in California school shops simply because they were so hard to kill. That's nice to know. I will try to get it. Can I store it outdoors (maybe covered with tarp)? I am in Midwest, with its climate. i I store mine under the welding table, outdoors. But ...I think Id tarp yours if I were you. Or better yet, slide it under a work bench. Its not all that long. A simple low cart with casters will make it easy to slide in and out, and can be used from under the bench handily. I basically have very limited space in my garage. I made a bench on wheels yesterday, which I will use for grinding. I will have a 1/2HP baldor grinder, little wet wheel sharpenet, and a chop saw on it. Made out of old kitchen cabinet and wheels from a demolished UPS. The idea is that since grinding is dirty, I could pull out the grinding bench/cart outside and do my grinding outdoors without contaminating the garage with crap. It will be healthier too. I cannot have many such carts in my garage basically, without being ridiculous. Plus, welding is healthier outdoors. Hence my question about outdoor storage. I could make some doghouse for the welder also. i I If you intend to weld outdoors, you might want to re-consider investigating in a TIG welder. For example, what would you be welding that a stick/buzzbox wouldnt weld? TIG sure doesnt like wind. TIG really likes Very Clean metal. The electronics in the TIG doesnt like water. Then there is the price of a buzzbox compared to a TIG. The TIG even requires the bottles plus gas plus special rod. My advice would be for you to wait till you really need the TIG, and use a buzzbox till then. You could store a buzzbox in a trash can if there isnt room for it in a corner of the garage. I know, thats enough BS from me. You do what ever is best for you. Jerry Jerry...want one of those smoke vacuums? Free for you of course. And I will deliver. Gunner No thanks Gunner, I dont really mind making a smoky mess in the garage. But, have you been talkng to my wife?? She really doesnt like the messes I make. Jerry |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:46:07 GMT, Ignoramus8644
wrote: Just checked out this Heliweld. It powers up and produces very quiet sound. Can I check it with a multimeter? i DONT turn on the HI Freq when you do..and dont change any switches while the meter is connected. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:03:36 GMT, Ignoramus27122
wrote: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:37:02 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 04:46:07 GMT, Ignoramus8644 wrote: Just checked out this Heliweld. It powers up and produces very quiet sound. Can I check it with a multimeter? i DONT turn on the HI Freq when you do..and dont change any switches while the meter is connected. Well, it has just one switch... on and off... i Sorry...I meant the meter. Changing ranges with a rotary switch may..may induce an arc internal to the meter Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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