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I Wish This Book Had Been Available...
when I started in the trade in 1993. The book is in a class by itself
and the author deserves tremendous credit for using the approach he does. IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... vocational tech teachers do your students a favor and get this book in your students hands... it may very well be the best thing you ever do for them because it will equip your students for the real world in ways that you simply can't ! It's also good reading for those who make pretty pictures using a CAD system and who have come to realize that making a machinist happy might be a good idea and have some benefits. This book very well could save you some embarrassment by showing you have a clue and it might even help get you higher quality parts quicker. I do have some criticisms in that the chapter entitled Rotary Table Magic is too brief and is really just an introduction for an absolute beginner. Also, the approach to using a dowel pin as a CNC milling machine floating stop (something the author admits he has never done) can be done better by machining at tool rather than using a dowel pin which has drawbacks compared to the approach I / our shop uses. The focus on this book is manual machining but much can be applied to CNC. The book is: Machine Shop Trade Secrets by James A. Harvey. http://www.proshoppublishing.com/index.html Mr. Harvey is a no bull**** kind of guy who doesn't tolerate people who have no practical actual hands on machining experience and post to alt.machines.cnc, etc. all day and all night. Mr. Harvey is exactly the kind of machinist I have learned so much from over the years. (See Google for the first posts in regards to this book.) This book should be the blueprint for anyone with lots or practical machining experience and who is thinking of writing a book for other machinists. It's writing style sets the standard to which I believe one should adhere Unfortunately, I choose Borders Book to order this book and after getting jerked around for a long time I canceled the order and placed an order with Barnes and Noble and it arrived last Friday. I'm sorry I did not cancel the order earlier as I wish I could have reviewed this book earlier. I'm not sure if I would recommend this book to someone with many years of varied small job shop experience unless they feel the books $40 dollar price would be justified by picking up say 8 tips . Mr Harvey's book is a collection of well documented tips. (Lots of pictures of setups.)I happen to feel that that $40 is well worth it.... you may not. My hats off to Mr. Harvey and hope his book continues to get the success it so richly deserves. I would love to see him write another one that does a much better job of covering use of the rotary table and perhaps publish tips and give credit to others for CNC related tips. Very highly recommended. jon |
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Don't know if the original post is a sales pitch in disguise or if it is
genuine but I will jump in and second Jon's statements about this being an excellent book. I'm not a pro so my perspective may be a bit different than a trained machinist, but I would highly recommend this book to anyone looking to improve their skills and be more effective in the shop. BTW - Amazon.com has the book for only $26 and change instead of the $39 price most everywhere else. Robert "jon_banquer" wrote in message oups.com... when I started in the trade in 1993. The book is in a class by itself and the author deserves tremendous credit for using the approach he does. IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... vocational tech teachers do your students a favor and get this book in your students hands... it may very well be the best thing you ever do for them because it will equip your students for the real world in ways that you simply can't ! It's also good reading for those who make pretty pictures using a CAD system and who have come to realize that making a machinist happy might be a good idea and have some benefits. This book very well could save you some embarrassment by showing you have a clue and it might even help get you higher quality parts quicker. I do have some criticisms in that the chapter entitled Rotary Table Magic is too brief and is really just an introduction for an absolute beginner. Also, the approach to using a dowel pin as a CNC milling machine floating stop (something the author admits he has never done) can be done better by machining at tool rather than using a dowel pin which has drawbacks compared to the approach I / our shop uses. The focus on this book is manual machining but much can be applied to CNC. The book is: Machine Shop Trade Secrets by James A. Harvey. http://www.proshoppublishing.com/index.html Mr. Harvey is a no bull**** kind of guy who doesn't tolerate people who have no practical actual hands on machining experience and post to alt.machines.cnc, etc. all day and all night. Mr. Harvey is exactly the kind of machinist I have learned so much from over the years. (See Google for the first posts in regards to this book.) This book should be the blueprint for anyone with lots or practical machining experience and who is thinking of writing a book for other machinists. It's writing style sets the standard to which I believe one should adhere Unfortunately, I choose Borders Book to order this book and after getting jerked around for a long time I canceled the order and placed an order with Barnes and Noble and it arrived last Friday. I'm sorry I did not cancel the order earlier as I wish I could have reviewed this book earlier. I'm not sure if I would recommend this book to someone with many years of varied small job shop experience unless they feel the books $40 dollar price would be justified by picking up say 8 tips . Mr Harvey's book is a collection of well documented tips. (Lots of pictures of setups.)I happen to feel that that $40 is well worth it.... you may not. My hats off to Mr. Harvey and hope his book continues to get the success it so richly deserves. I would love to see him write another one that does a much better job of covering use of the rotary table and perhaps publish tips and give credit to others for CNC related tips. Very highly recommended. jon |
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If I'm not mistaken Mr. Harvey used to post quite frequently to rcm, so this is
in a sense "one of our own". - GWE jon_banquer wrote: when I started in the trade in 1993. The book is in a class by itself and the author deserves tremendous credit for using the approach he does. IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... vocational tech teachers do your students a favor and get this book in your students hands... it may very well be the best thing you ever do for them because it will equip your students for the real world in ways that you simply can't ! It's also good reading for those who make pretty pictures using a CAD system and who have come to realize that making a machinist happy might be a good idea and have some benefits. This book very well could save you some embarrassment by showing you have a clue and it might even help get you higher quality parts quicker. I do have some criticisms in that the chapter entitled Rotary Table Magic is too brief and is really just an introduction for an absolute beginner. Also, the approach to using a dowel pin as a CNC milling machine floating stop (something the author admits he has never done) can be done better by machining at tool rather than using a dowel pin which has drawbacks compared to the approach I / our shop uses. The focus on this book is manual machining but much can be applied to CNC. The book is: Machine Shop Trade Secrets by James A. Harvey. http://www.proshoppublishing.com/index.html Mr. Harvey is a no bull**** kind of guy who doesn't tolerate people who have no practical actual hands on machining experience and post to alt.machines.cnc, etc. all day and all night. Mr. Harvey is exactly the kind of machinist I have learned so much from over the years. (See Google for the first posts in regards to this book.) This book should be the blueprint for anyone with lots or practical machining experience and who is thinking of writing a book for other machinists. It's writing style sets the standard to which I believe one should adhere Unfortunately, I choose Borders Book to order this book and after getting jerked around for a long time I canceled the order and placed an order with Barnes and Noble and it arrived last Friday. I'm sorry I did not cancel the order earlier as I wish I could have reviewed this book earlier. I'm not sure if I would recommend this book to someone with many years of varied small job shop experience unless they feel the books $40 dollar price would be justified by picking up say 8 tips . Mr Harvey's book is a collection of well documented tips. (Lots of pictures of setups.)I happen to feel that that $40 is well worth it.... you may not. My hats off to Mr. Harvey and hope his book continues to get the success it so richly deserves. I would love to see him write another one that does a much better job of covering use of the rotary table and perhaps publish tips and give credit to others for CNC related tips. Very highly recommended. jon |
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Siggy wrote:
Don't know if the original post is a sales pitch in disguise or if it is genuine but I will jump in and second Jon's statements about this being an excellent book. I'm not a pro so my perspective may be a bit different than a trained machinist, but I would highly recommend this book to anyone looking to improve their skills and be more effective in the shop. BTW - Amazon.com has the book for only $26 and change instead of the $39 price most everywhere else. Robert Robert, I do think the original post was a sales pitch and was done anonymously... you learn to deal with that on usenet. Bottom line is that it's an excellent book. Mr. Harvey's book would have been a tremendous help to me when I got into the trade and I wish it have been available back then. Even now there are some tips that I can't wait to try and that I know will be very helpful. It's quite clear to me that Mr. Harvey knows his **** when it comes to machining and has done machinists and others who care a big favor publishing some of what he has learned over the years. I wish other machinists would follow his example and document their art. I also hope this is just the beginning for Mr. Harvey and he has more to offer. Glad you liked the book. jon |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:31:23 -0700, the renowned Grant Erwin
wrote: If I'm not mistaken Mr. Harvey used to post quite frequently to rcm, so this is in a sense "one of our own". - GWE The name is right, but it sounds like a different James Harvey. The book's author is a full-time machinist/injection moldmaker, and IIRC, "our" Jim Harvey had more to do with racing and fuel injection. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Grant Erwin wrote:
If I'm not mistaken Mr. Harvey used to post quite frequently to rcm, so this is in a sense "one of our own". - GWE Grant, I have worked in small machining job shops since 1993. After reading Mr. Havery's book if he had never posted I would consider him "one of our own". IMO, Mr. Harvey has posted... anonymously. If were looking to help others I feel Mr. Harvey's book needs to be mentioned on a more frequent basis as it's the only one I know of that correlates to exactly what I know to be FACT after over 10 years working for small machining job shops. Almost nothing posted by the top poster to alt.machines.cnc and to comp.cad.solidworks relates to working in small machining job shops and what little does is often wrong / easily available elsewhere in better form. jon |
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On 17 Jul 2005 20:02:21 -0700, "jon_banquer"
wrote: when I started in the trade in 1993. Advertising buzzword collection? Quite a bit like collecting rubbish I gather. The book is in a class by itself Not any you ever took/talked about taking for a day or two before being evicted ..... -- Cliff |
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On 17 Jul 2005 20:02:21 -0700, "jon_banquer"
wrote: Machine Shop Trade Secrets by James A. Harvey. LO L .... found a new hobby to consider? Liked all the hobbiest links .... http://www.proshoppublishing.com/Links.htm Are you new to the hobby? -- Cliff |
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On 17 Jul 2005 20:41:41 -0700, "jon_banquer"
wrote: Bottom line is that it's an excellent book. Mr. Harvey's book would have been a tremendous help to me when I got into the trade Half a brain would have helped too. Or some pictures of triangles .... -- Cliff |
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On 17 Jul 2005 21:09:37 -0700, "jon_banquer"
wrote: what little does is often wrong Too bad you cannot find any of it G. -- Cliff |
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Nope, Different Jim Harvey, I asked him.
It is an excellent book. On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:31:23 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: If I'm not mistaken Mr. Harvey used to post quite frequently to rcm, so this is in a sense "one of our own". - GWE |
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Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish
version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... |
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"Bill" wrote in
ps.com: Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... Bill, Agree. jon |
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Bill wrote: Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... Bill, Agree. jon |
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Bill wrote: Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... Bill, Agree. jon |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:55:22 +0000 (UTC), jon banquer
wrote: "Bill" wrote in ups.com: Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... Bill, Agree. jon Idiot. -- Cliff |
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On 19 Jul 2005 17:01:33 -0700, "jon_banquer"
wrote: Bill wrote: Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... Bill, Agree. jon Idiot. Learn to post. -- Cliff |
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On 19 Jul 2005 17:02:18 -0700, "jon_banquer"
wrote: Bill wrote: Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... Bill, Agree. jon Idiot. Learn to post. At least try. -- Cliff |
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On 19 Jul 2005 08:56:05 -0700, "Bill" wrote:
Here is Kalifornia, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. Very very true. I work with a lot of startup shops where the owners primary language is not English. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:14:01 GMT, Gunner
wrote: I work with a lot of startup shops where the owners primary language is not English. Wingers, eh? -- Cliff |
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Cliff wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:14:01 GMT, Gunner wrote: I work with a lot of startup shops where the owners primary language is not English. Wingers, eh? Looks like cliffy's PMS is setting in again.. |
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Bill wrote: jon_banquer wrote: IMO, this book should be purchased by *anyone* starting in the machining trade, by those who have not worked in *lots of small machining job shops*, etc. This book should be required reading to all those taking a trade school course in machining... Bill wrote: Here is California, the publisher would do well to do a spanish version. Most if not all of our new machinists don't have a good grasp of the english language yet but are willing learners. -- Bill Oops. I reformatted it properly... and dropped the crossposts. Also, I was quite serious about the spanish version. It would help. -- Bill I put the crossposts back in. Goggle's formating is not my problem. I know you were serious. I agree that it's a very good idea. jon |
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RAM^3 wrote: "JohnM" wrote in message m... Cliff wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:14:01 GMT, Gunner wrote: I work with a lot of startup shops where the owners primary language is not English. Wingers, eh? Looks like cliffy's PMS is setting in again.. Naaahhh! Just another "Acid Flashback". Doubtful. Too uptight. jon |
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On 20 Jul 2005 20:10:27 -0700, "jon_banquer"
wrote: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.164.145.85 [ whois !NET-63-164-145-0-1 OrgName: Kinkos, Inc. ] Yep. He's Still at Kinkos VBG. Goggle's formating is not my problem. It's your misuse, idiot. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:40:01 -0400, JohnM wrote:
Cliff wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 07:14:01 GMT, Gunner wrote: I work with a lot of startup shops where the owners primary language is not English. Wingers, eh? Looks like cliffy's PMS is setting in again.. Again? I didn't think it every left! |
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