Now you can quickly and safely wind your garage door torsion springs. This
tool is great for new installations as well as for replacement torsion
springs.
http://www.garage-door-springs.com/t...tml#springking

Rich writes:

Now you can quickly and safely wind your garage door torsion springs.
This tool is great for new installations as well as for replacement
torsion springs.

What's next? A $200 hammer that won't hit your thumb?

I'll stick with the 50-cent winding rod, thank you.

What's next? A $200 hammer that won't hit your thumb?

Hey, $200 - worth that in an instant, pay for itself faster than you can
yell to your maker.

"Rich" wrote in message
news:rS09d.776$Ua.745@trndny06...
Now you can quickly and safely wind your garage door torsion springs.
This
tool is great for new installations as well as for replacement torsion
springs.
http://www.garage-door-springs.com/t...tml#springking


The torsion springs (the springs above the door) should only be adjusted by
a professional. Do not attempt to repair or adjust the torsion springs
yourself.
http://www.garage-door-springs.com/g...or-safety.html

Went to a house yesterday where the 'professionals'
replaced 7 window glasses without bothering to use
glazier's putty. Didn't even use clips. Evidence-one
of the glass portions was laying in the space between
window frame and screen.
In every profession, there are a few professionals, and
a lot of amateurs.
Torsion springs can kill or injure you. As can a table saw,
pistol, vehicle. The gene pool needs to be chlorinated regularly.
If a person doesn't know and understand what they're doing,
they need to not do it. Same applies to non-injurious things,
like computer repair.
But to try to propose that the only person that's competent to
work with torsion springs is delightfully selfserving to the knuckle-
draggers in the garage door business..

bumtracks wrote in message
news:RK79d.4976$eq1.181@trnddc08...
The torsion springs (the springs above the door) should only be adjusted
by
a professional. Do not attempt to repair or adjust the torsion springs
yourself.
http://www.garage-door-springs.com/g...or-safety.html

Michael Baugh wrote:
Went to a house yesterday where the 'professionals'
replaced 7 window glasses without bothering to use
glazier's putty. Didn't even use clips. Evidence-one
of the glass portions was laying in the space between
window frame and screen.
In every profession, there are a few professionals, and
a lot of amateurs.
Torsion springs can kill or injure you. As can a table saw,
pistol, vehicle. The gene pool needs to be chlorinated regularly.
If a person doesn't know and understand what they're doing,
they need to not do it. Same applies to non-injurious things,
like computer repair.
But to try to propose that the only person that's competent to
work with torsion springs is delightfully selfserving to the knuckle-
draggers in the garage door business..

The point is that few people have experience with torsion springs and
may only have a reasons to do so once in their life. While many other jobs
can also be dangerous, people do tend to learn how to do the safely. They
also are more likely to have a family member or friend who knows the right
way to do it. I believe the advice to leave the adjustment of those
springs to the professional is sound advice.


bumtracks wrote in message
news:RK79d.4976$eq1.181@trnddc08...
The torsion springs (the springs above the door) should only be adjusted
by
a professional. Do not attempt to repair or adjust the torsion springs
yourself.
http://www.garage-door-springs.com/g...or-safety.html

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

wrote:
In every profession, there are a few professionals, and
a lot of amateurs.

That's an undefendable blanket statement.

But to try to propose that the only person that's competent to
work with torsion springs is delightfully selfserving to the knuckle-
draggers in the garage door business..

So they're all knuckledraggers. Wow, thanks for clearing that up, you
holier than thou schmuck.

And what do you do for a living? Maybe I can ascribe you to some
derogatory blanket classification. Wouldn't you just love to know
you're so easily classified?

Don't worry about it, it was just a ambulance chasing lawyer talking,
hoping to get a liability suite when someone does it himself.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

In every profession, there are a few professionals, and
a lot of amateurs.

That's an undefendable blanket statement.

But to try to propose that the only person that's competent to
work with torsion springs is delightfully selfserving to the knuckle-
draggers in the garage door business..

So they're all knuckledraggers. Wow, thanks for clearing that up, you
holier than thou schmuck.

And what do you do for a living? Maybe I can ascribe you to some
derogatory blanket classification. Wouldn't you just love to know
you're so easily classified?

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:49:48 GMT, "bumtracks"
wrote:


What's next? A $200 hammer that won't hit your thumb?

Hey, $200 - worth that in an instant, pay for itself faster than you can
yell to your maker.


The Pentagon has long since passed this with their $700 versions.

What necessitates the $200.00 non-thumb hitting hammer? Thumb-whackers?

The demand exists, which creats the need for supply.

Go figure...

bumtracks writes:

The torsion springs (the springs above the door) should only be
adjusted by a professional. Do not attempt to repair or adjust the
torsion springs yourself.

As of today, 100,000+ readers and 1000+ correspondents say otherwise:

http://www.truetex.com/garage.htm

It always seems funny to me that often, people (presumably professionals)
will respond in these newsgroups: "call a professional to fix it". Is there
anyone on earth who wouldn't have done that already, if they weren't
interested in trying it themself? That's the whole point of these
discussions.

We all know that there's a professional out there who can fix it. However,
the people who ask questions here are usually: 1) pretty handy; 2)
interested in learning how to do something new; and 3) enjoy doing their own
work. So basically, the response of "hire a professional" is completely
useless. We knew that already.

It is also strange to me that so-called professionals would ever feel
threatened (if that's what drives this sort of response) by amateurs who
just want to learn a trick or two and do it themselves. In my experience,
when it comes to DIY, there are only two kinds of people in the world. The
ones who try to do just about anything themselves (if they have the time),
and the ones who will not. The quality of advice received here, has
absolutely no bearing on which kind of person you are and whether or not,
ultimately, you're going to try it yourself. So why not be helpful? Might
just save someone some frustration and possibly an injury, since they're
probably going to do it anyway...

"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
. ..
bumtracks writes:

The torsion springs (the springs above the door) should only be
adjusted by a professional. Do not attempt to repair or adjust the
torsion springs yourself.

As of today, 100,000+ readers and 1000+ correspondents say otherwise:

http://www.truetex.com/garage.htm

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:54:12 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

n

Don't worry about it, it was just a ambulance chasing lawyer talking,
hoping to get a liability suite when someone does it himself.


John Edwards?

It shows a lot of ignorance to shoot down a practical tool because
personally you don't happen to need it.
True, it's cheaper to use a pair of winding bars, but not everyone has the
confidence to attempt the replacement of torsion springs. Which is why the
SpringKing winding tool exists, to help people get the job done.

The statement, "The torsion springs (the springs above the door) should only
be adjusted by a professional.", should be considered a disclaimer for those
with less than adequate mechanical inclination. This same disclaimer will
be found on most competent garage door industry sites including
http://www.dasma.com/, http://www.doors.org/, etc. etc.

By no means would I not want someone to replace their own springs, it's
certainly simple enough to do. The only thing required is common sense and
simple hand tools.

Here's a word from one of my installers:
The springs you are replacing at your website, Kinch, are puny little
springs that any sissy can tackle, it makes me and my crew laugh to see
that you call them "dangerous". Try replacing something like a quadruble
set of 7-1/4 I.D. triplex springs for a 2000+ pound door, then come talk to
us. Get real Kinch.....

"Rich" wrote in message
news:GCx9d.23$wV4.12@trndny03...
Here's a word from one of my installers:
The springs you are replacing at your website, Kinch, are puny little
springs that any sissy can tackle, it makes me and my crew laugh to see
that you call them "dangerous". Try replacing something like a quadruble
set of 7-1/4 I.D. triplex springs for a 2000+ pound door, then come talk
to
us. Get real Kinch.....

That is funny, but how many homeowners have a 2000+ pound garage door? I am
pretty sure Kinch did not intend that people read his web site as prepartion
for repairing 2000+ pound doors. this is alt.HOME.repair... not
alt.airplane.hangar.repair!!

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:15:31 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

bumtracks writes:

The torsion springs (the springs above the door) should only be
adjusted by a professional. Do not attempt to repair or adjust the
torsion springs yourself.

As of today, 100,000+ readers and 1000+ correspondents say otherwise:

http://www.truetex.com/garage.htm


Winter is just around the corner and there will be HVAC discussions.
Everyone should read this "Garage Door" take on restrictive trade
practices.

If this manipulative, we-are-your-nanny business approach is truly in our best interests as consumers, then we shouldn't be allowed near ladders, lawn mowers, or power tools. Those products are just as hazardous and prone to misuse as torsion springs, yet no one thinks of them as forbidden. The only genuine difference is that torsion springs are a hazardous thing you need only rarely, while a lawn mower is a hazardous thing you need all the time.

Because we will be hearing a lot of similar BS how even looking at a
furnace will cause your house to blow up.

Hey.. Rich how's the garage door part business? I'm an ex door installer and
owner and saw your ad and thought i'd pick your brains if you don't mind.

Doug

Rich wrote:

What necessitates the $200.00 non-thumb hitting hammer? Thumb-whackers?

The demand exists, which creats the need for supply.

Go figure...

"Rich" wrote in message
news:rS09d.776$Ua.745@trndny06...
Now you can quickly and safely wind your garage door torsion springs.
This
tool is great for new installations as well as for replacement torsion
springs.
http://www.garage-door-springs.com/t...tml#springking



and That my friends
is what happens when you mix prozac with viagra

Rich writes:

It shows a lot of ignorance to shoot down a practical tool because
personally you don't happen to need it.
True, it's cheaper to use a pair of winding bars, but not everyone has
the confidence to attempt the replacement of torsion springs. Which
is why the SpringKing winding tool exists, to help people get the job
done.

No. First you said "should only be adjusted by a professional". Then
you offer a tool that purportedly helps the non-professional who lacks
"confidence". Which is it?

The statement, "The torsion springs (the springs above the door)
should only be adjusted by a professional.", should be considered a
disclaimer ...

No, that's not a disclaimer, it is your absolute assertion that NO do-
it-yourselfer should EVER touch this work. Are you saying we shouldn't
trust the plain sense of your words? That you speak in obscure code
langauge regarding risky procedures?

This same disclaimer will be found on most competent garage door
industry sites including http://www.dasma.com/,
http://www.doors.org/, etc. etc.

Those groups exist to protect the people in the biz, and to limit
liability, not to promote the prudent maintenance of doors. Which is to
say, not a complete or trustworthy source of information on the
technical subject of garage door maintenance. This is especially true
of their publicity such as on their Web sites.

By no means would I not want someone to replace their own springs,
it's certainly simple enough to do.

Simple? Then why your double-talk about "only ... professionals"? Why
the need for a tool for the timid?

The only thing required is common sense and simple hand tools.

You contradict yourself.

Here's a word from one of my installers:
The springs you are replacing at your website, Kinch, are puny little
springs that any sissy can tackle, it makes me and my crew laugh to
see that you call them "dangerous".

What a bunch. Sometimes you say it is dangerous! You'll be maimed or
killed! Only professionals should touch! Then you belittle those who
call attention with critical analysis to your self-serving
exaggerations, and who publish and promote technical instruction for
free, laughing and calling them "sissies". And finally, you want to
sell us a tool.

If they think a winding bar is a sissy's tool, then what do they think
of the customers buying your little crutch-gadget?

The critical value in reading your self-contradictions and mockery is
nil. No one learns anything, or is even entertained.

You, like too many in your industry, appear to be running a business
that succeeds based on keeping the customer ignorant and frightened,
rather than simply providing a service with honest value. That's no way
to get ahead. It's a version of disparaging the competition, where the
"competition" is do-it-yourselfers working on our own homes.

I still don't know your opinion of us do-it-yourself'ers. Are we
hopelessly incompetent sissies, or potential buyers wisely considering
your gadget?

Now girls...Let's all take the weekend off and come back Monday, fresh and
ready to post vile, childish words to those who come here for help.
"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
.. .
Rich writes:

It shows a lot of ignorance to shoot down a practical tool because
personally you don't happen to need it.
True, it's cheaper to use a pair of winding bars, but not everyone has
the confidence to attempt the replacement of torsion springs. Which
is why the SpringKing winding tool exists, to help people get the job
done.

No. First you said "should only be adjusted by a professional". Then
you offer a tool that purportedly helps the non-professional who lacks
"confidence". Which is it?

The statement, "The torsion springs (the springs above the door)
should only be adjusted by a professional.", should be considered a
disclaimer ...

No, that's not a disclaimer, it is your absolute assertion that NO do-
it-yourselfer should EVER touch this work. Are you saying we shouldn't
trust the plain sense of your words? That you speak in obscure code
langauge regarding risky procedures?

This same disclaimer will be found on most competent garage door
industry sites including http://www.dasma.com/,
http://www.doors.org/, etc. etc.

Those groups exist to protect the people in the biz, and to limit
liability, not to promote the prudent maintenance of doors. Which is to
say, not a complete or trustworthy source of information on the
technical subject of garage door maintenance. This is especially true
of their publicity such as on their Web sites.

By no means would I not want someone to replace their own springs,
it's certainly simple enough to do.

Simple? Then why your double-talk about "only ... professionals"? Why
the need for a tool for the timid?

The only thing required is common sense and simple hand tools.

You contradict yourself.

Here's a word from one of my installers:
The springs you are replacing at your website, Kinch, are puny little
springs that any sissy can tackle, it makes me and my crew laugh to
see that you call them "dangerous".

What a bunch. Sometimes you say it is dangerous! You'll be maimed or
killed! Only professionals should touch! Then you belittle those who
call attention with critical analysis to your self-serving
exaggerations, and who publish and promote technical instruction for
free, laughing and calling them "sissies". And finally, you want to
sell us a tool.

If they think a winding bar is a sissy's tool, then what do they think
of the customers buying your little crutch-gadget?

The critical value in reading your self-contradictions and mockery is
nil. No one learns anything, or is even entertained.

You, like too many in your industry, appear to be running a business
that succeeds based on keeping the customer ignorant and frightened,
rather than simply providing a service with honest value. That's no way
to get ahead. It's a version of disparaging the competition, where the
"competition" is do-it-yourselfers working on our own homes.

I still don't know your opinion of us do-it-yourself'ers. Are we
hopelessly incompetent sissies, or potential buyers wisely considering
your gadget?

Mr. Kinch,

You're babbling, do yourself a favor get off the sauce.

Do-it-yourselfers are not my competition, they are my customers.

It's just people like you that think you're holier than thou that can take a
flying leap.

Rich

"and That my friends
is what happens when you mix prozac with viagra"

Now that would be an interesting way to wind a spring...



"bumtracks" wrote in message
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"Rich" wrote in message
news:rS09d.776$Ua.745@trndny06...
Now you can quickly and safely wind your garage door torsion springs.
This
tool is great for new installations as well as for replacement torsion
springs.
http://www.garage-door-springs.com/t...tml#springking



and That my friends
is what happens when you mix prozac with viagra

Richard Aquino writes:

... [ assorted insults ] ...

Not worthy of response.

Not worthy of response.

Thank god, no more babble....



"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
. ..
Richard Aquino writes:

... [ assorted insults ] ...

Not worthy of response.

Oscar_Lives wrote:
I agree. Adjusting the springs safely isn't rocket science. Anyone with
a
bit of common sense can do it just fine.


But how many people who think they have common sense do have it?



--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math