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A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers I just
built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great , stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled again .
New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard and
processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least part of
the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is computex_tech on
ebay .
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On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers I just
built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great , stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled again .
New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard and
processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least part of
the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is computex_tech on
ebay .
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I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.
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On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers I just
built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent the
motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board on
the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled again .
New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both comps . I
like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard and
processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with my
equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least part of
the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.




If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best parts
possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is not
critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only $2
a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they emailed
me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I told them
I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that for
$2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they immediately
refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.
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On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.




If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.


I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

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When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.


I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .




The only problem I had was with a motherboard MFG. It was a major name
but I can't recall now.


I did a BIOS upgrade and when I got done flashing it I got a message the
the upgrade failed . I got scared that I bricked the thing but it worked
and the new BIOS was installed.

I contacted tech support to tell them about the bug but there was
probably no one there that understood English. Basically, no matter how
many times I contacted them I got one of four different canned responses
having BIOS in the context.


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On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.




If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.


I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.
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I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.


+1 I think they have the best quality, never had their RAM fail. They
have or once had a reference page. Put in the numbers from your
current RAM and it would give you the needed one from the Crucial
product line. Easy to match what you needed.
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I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.



Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable thing
happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick one up,
I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.

A battery which should have been may $2.50 was marked $7 !

No way could I do that.

I went on line and ordered from China.

Price was $2.58 but that is not the whole story. $2.58 for TWENTY
of them and that INCLUDED shipping!!! 13 cents each I guess


They arrived in ten days and they are A-1 .

Identical as far as I can tell to the $7 drugstore variety.
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On 4/28/2017 2:55 PM, philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 01:36 PM, Frank wrote:


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I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.



Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable thing
happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick one up,
I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.

A battery which should have been may $2.50 was marked $7 !

No way could I do that.

I went on line and ordered from China.

Price was $2.58 but that is not the whole story. $2.58 for TWENTY
of them and that INCLUDED shipping!!! 13 cents each I guess


They arrived in ten days and they are A-1 .

Identical as far as I can tell to the $7 drugstore variety.


Drugstore is the last place to buy batteries. If I could use 20 I'd
probably look at Amazon. This type battery might not matter even if 19
were bad you made out.
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:36:15 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.



If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.


I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.

I've had at least as much trouble buying chinese crap from american
suppliers as from Chinese. The pros? Faster shipping from US resellers
(when they have stock)
Cons? Pay 4 or 5 times as much, PLUS shipping. Don't know how the
Chinese can ship half way around the world for free on a 50 cent part
that costs me 5 or 6 bucks from Texas or California, plus 9 bucks or
more for shipping - - - -

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!


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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:50:47 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:54:17 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.


+1 I think they have the best quality, never had their RAM fail. They
have or once had a reference page. Put in the numbers from your
current RAM and it would give you the needed one from the Crucial
product line. Easy to match what you needed.

I've had rare failures on both Crucial and Kingston. VERY rare - but
they do happen occaisionally.
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On 04/28/2017 02:04 PM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 2:55 PM, philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 01:36 PM, Frank wrote:


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I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.



Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable thing
happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick one
up, I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.

A battery which should have been may $2.50 was marked $7 !

No way could I do that.

I went on line and ordered from China.

Price was $2.58 but that is not the whole story. $2.58 for TWENTY
of them and that INCLUDED shipping!!! 13 cents each I guess


They arrived in ten days and they are A-1 .

Identical as far as I can tell to the $7 drugstore variety.


Drugstore is the last place to buy batteries. If I could use 20 I'd
probably look at Amazon. This type battery might not matter even if 19
were bad you made out.



Of course it is but it is two blocks from my house and until I saw the
price I wanted it ASAP
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On 04/28/2017 01:36 PM, Frank wrote:


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I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.



Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable thing
happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick one up,
I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.

A battery which should have been may $2.50 was marked $7 !

No way could I do that.

I went on line and ordered from China.

Price was $2.58 but that is not the whole story. $2.58 for TWENTY
of them and that INCLUDED shipping!!! 13 cents each I guess


They arrived in ten days and they are A-1 .

Identical as far as I can tell to the $7 drugstore variety.


I've nipped over to my local Princess Auto store (Canadian version of
"Harbour Fright" and picked them up 10 or 12 for $2.99 on sale. - no
waiting.
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:36:15 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.



If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.

I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.

I've had at least as much trouble buying chinese crap from american
suppliers as from Chinese. The pros? Faster shipping from US resellers
(when they have stock)
Cons? Pay 4 or 5 times as much, PLUS shipping. Don't know how the
Chinese can ship half way around the world for free on a 50 cent part
that costs me 5 or 6 bucks from Texas or California, plus 9 bucks or
more for shipping - - - -

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!




I still build them myself. Since I already have a lot of cases, hard
drives and power supplies I can build a decent machine for $200.

The one I just built is a quad core CPU with 16 gigs of RAM and my total
cost was just under $200. A new Dell is about $1000 though I'm sure I
could find machines for half that price, I'd rather do it myself
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:55:04 -0500, philo wrote:

On 04/28/2017 01:36 PM, Frank wrote:


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I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.



Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable thing
happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick one up,
I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.

A battery which should have been may $2.50 was marked $7 !

No way could I do that.

I went on line and ordered from China.

Price was $2.58 but that is not the whole story. $2.58 for TWENTY
of them and that INCLUDED shipping!!! 13 cents each I guess


They arrived in ten days and they are A-1 .

Identical as far as I can tell to the $7 drugstore variety.


I've nipped over to my local Princess Auto store (Canadian version of
"Harbour Fright" and picked them up 10 or 12 for $2.99 on sale. - no
waiting.




With on-line shopping so easy I hardly ever take the car out to go
shopping. Though I wanted to get the battery right I way I did not
/need/ to get it right away.


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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:36:15 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.



If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.

I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.

I've had at least as much trouble buying chinese crap from american
suppliers as from Chinese. The pros? Faster shipping from US resellers
(when they have stock)
Cons? Pay 4 or 5 times as much, PLUS shipping. Don't know how the
Chinese can ship half way around the world for free on a 50 cent part
that costs me 5 or 6 bucks from Texas or California, plus 9 bucks or
more for shipping - - - -

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!


I buy glasses on-line from Zenni Optical in China. Wife criticized me
for not buying here but I showed her glass case from pair costing 7X as
much in US and it said, "Made in China".
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On 04/28/2017 01:36 PM, Frank wrote:


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I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've
never shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my
wife which turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or
bad and US stuff may even be the same but quality control should
be better and they filter out the bad. Worth paying for.



Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable
thing happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


LOL.. Okay. I know alot of people who say that, but, I wind up working
on their **** outright and/or assisting them when they get way in over
their pretty little heads. But, I'll humour you on this one.

No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick
one up, I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.


Are they CR16 or CR32?

A battery which should have been may $2.50 was marked $7 !

No way could I do that.


****. If I needed it that day for something, I would have spent the
extra few dollars. It wasn't that much of a difference in the grand
scheme of things. You are billing these people aren't you? Surely your
hourly rate/job rate would have covered the additional expense.

I went on line and ordered from China.

Price was $2.58 but that is not the whole story. $2.58 for
TWENTY of them and that INCLUDED shipping!!! 13 cents each I
guess


How long had they been sitting in storage? How many volts present on
them when you took them out of the packaging? Did you test ANY of them
with an actual battery tester? It puts a small 'load' on the battery to
determine it's actual available power. Rather than using a DMM to test;
since the 'load' they present is negligible.

They arrived in ten days and they are A-1 .

Identical as far as I can tell to the $7 drugstore variety.


Maybe, maybe not. Do you know how old they actually are from date of
manufacture? These are things to consider when replacing laptop battery
packs, too. Sitting on a store shelf, kills them, over time.






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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:25:13 -0500, philo wrote:

On 04/28/2017 04:15 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:36:15 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
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I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.



If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.

I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.

I've had at least as much trouble buying chinese crap from american
suppliers as from Chinese. The pros? Faster shipping from US resellers
(when they have stock)
Cons? Pay 4 or 5 times as much, PLUS shipping. Don't know how the
Chinese can ship half way around the world for free on a 50 cent part
that costs me 5 or 6 bucks from Texas or California, plus 9 bucks or
more for shipping - - - -

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!




I still build them myself. Since I already have a lot of cases, hard
drives and power supplies I can build a decent machine for $200.

The one I just built is a quad core CPU with 16 gigs of RAM and my total
cost was just under $200. A new Dell is about $1000 though I'm sure I
could find machines for half that price, I'd rather do it myself

I'll never buy a Dell.
I buy a brand new Acer Veriton 4630g I3 with 4GB of RAM,a 500Gb SATA
drive, DVD drive, and Windows professional with a 3 year warranty for
$423.50 CANADIAN. That's something like $310.95 US at today's exchange
rate.At that rate, wht would I ever build one? (or buy a "Dell from
Hell"?)

My experience with custom building is you often end up with one bad or
incompatible part. If you are building more than one at a time you can
determine which part is BAD pretty quickly by substituting in - but on
a one-off you are stuck. I've had too many "infant mortality" or "dead
in the box" components to make it worth the hassle. If the Acer
doesn't boot up and work perfectly it's back in the box, and back to
the warehouse for another one next day if I want to drive 1bout 25
miles, or 2 days door to door.
I've built way too many in my lifetime to bother with it (worked for
manufacturer for 5 years and either built my own or rebuilt machines
for my own use for 20 years - even when I could have expensed a new
one against my business)
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:31:09 -0500, philo wrote:

On 04/28/2017 04:20 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:55:04 -0500, philo wrote:

On 04/28/2017 01:36 PM, Frank wrote:


snip
I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.


Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable thing
happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick one up,
I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.

A battery which should have been may $2.50 was marked $7 !

No way could I do that.

I went on line and ordered from China.

Price was $2.58 but that is not the whole story. $2.58 for TWENTY
of them and that INCLUDED shipping!!! 13 cents each I guess


They arrived in ten days and they are A-1 .

Identical as far as I can tell to the $7 drugstore variety.


I've nipped over to my local Princess Auto store (Canadian version of
"Harbour Fright" and picked them up 10 or 12 for $2.99 on sale. - no
waiting.




With on-line shopping so easy I hardly ever take the car out to go
shopping. Though I wanted to get the battery right I way I did not
/need/ to get it right away.

When a customer is waiting for their machine 10-40 days on the "slow
boat from China" isn't an option, and PA isn't much farther than a
local computer supplier where my wholesale price is about $2.99 each.

When I'm "on the clock" it's still cheaper to even grab one at a drug
store than to drive an extra 8 blocks for a $2.99 battery - as
difficult as it is to get my head around THAT some days!!!!.

That said, today was the last day of 1/3 of my working life going to
the same office every morning (16 years of my 48) for 8:30.
One more step towards retirement. I'm not quite retired yet - just
tired!!!!
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Oren wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:15:24 -0400, wrote:

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!


Ditto. 20 years ago I could make 3-5 hundred dollars and still be
under a market retail cost for a lesser machine.

Just bought the bride a new machine under $500. 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD,
Win10 and the whole 9 yards -- less a monitor. An ASUS which is a very
good mobo.


I gotta say Oren , I have less than that in all 3 machines . They all have
at least 8 Gb RAM , quad core processors . the media box has 2 1T drives and
the other 2 both have a 320 main and at least 250Gb aux storage . 2 have new
mobo's , all have (or will have when it arrives) new RAM , "new" processors
, and 64 bit OS's .

Not Intel processors I'l bet - and I'll never spend a cent on another
AMD. and what's with the "new" in quotation marks?
I can build a "new " computer out of used and out-of-date parts for
under $50.
I've got 3 "new" desktops here that cost me less than $50 - My wife
uses one of them, and one is my "sandbox" machine. Also 3 laptops that
cost me the price of a new battery each - and one I'm waffling over
whether I will spend the price of a battery to make it fully
functional. One is an AMD, and one is a DELL - the only one of each i
"own"
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:05:29 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 5:15 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:36:15 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.



If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.

I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.

I've had at least as much trouble buying chinese crap from american
suppliers as from Chinese. The pros? Faster shipping from US resellers
(when they have stock)
Cons? Pay 4 or 5 times as much, PLUS shipping. Don't know how the
Chinese can ship half way around the world for free on a 50 cent part
that costs me 5 or 6 bucks from Texas or California, plus 9 bucks or
more for shipping - - - -

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!


I buy glasses on-line from Zenni Optical in China. Wife criticized me
for not buying here but I showed her glass case from pair costing 7X as
much in US and it said, "Made in China".

Show me something you can buy in the "mass market" that ISN'T made
in China, or from parts made in China, and I'll show you something
made in Korea, Viet Nam, or the Phillipines - - -


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On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:46:20 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:15:24 -0400,
wrote:

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!

Ditto. 20 years ago I could make 3-5 hundred dollars and still be
under a market retail cost for a lesser machine.

Just bought the bride a new machine under $500. 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD,
Win10 and the whole 9 yards -- less a monitor. An ASUS which is a
very good mobo.


I gotta say Oren , I have less than that in all 3 machines . They
all have at least 8 Gb RAM , quad core processors . the media box
has 2 1T drives and the other 2 both have a 320 main and at least
250Gb aux storage . 2 have new mobo's , all have (or will have when
it arrives) new RAM , "new" processors , and 64 bit OS's .

Not Intel processors I'l bet - and I'll never spend a cent on another
AMD. and what's with the "new" in quotation marks?
I can build a "new " computer out of used and out-of-date parts for
under $50.
I've got 3 "new" desktops here that cost me less than $50 - My wife
uses one of them, and one is my "sandbox" machine. Also 3 laptops that
cost me the price of a new battery each - and one I'm waffling over
whether I will spend the price of a battery to make it fully
functional. One is an AMD, and one is a DELL - the only one of each i
"own"


"New" meaning they're new to me . All were used in another machine before I
got them .

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When doing work you can recover your cost it is often better to pay more
for an item and get the customer going.

When working a large motor speed control quit. The factory repair main
replaced 2 large diodes. There were 3 of them as this was a 3 phase
system. I asked him to replace the 3 rd one. He said they were $ 50
each. I told him I don't care as it was costing up about $ 1000 an hour
to be down plus your charge to come back in if needed. It may not need
changing, but why take the chance.




exactly. If you have a car with a timing belt, it is often just the
cost of parts to replace the water pump at the same time. There are a
lot of situations like that. $10 or $40 now rather than $500 if it
breaks next week.
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On 4/28/2017 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:05:29 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 5:15 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:36:15 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.



If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.

I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.
I've had at least as much trouble buying chinese crap from american
suppliers as from Chinese. The pros? Faster shipping from US resellers
(when they have stock)
Cons? Pay 4 or 5 times as much, PLUS shipping. Don't know how the
Chinese can ship half way around the world for free on a 50 cent part
that costs me 5 or 6 bucks from Texas or California, plus 9 bucks or
more for shipping - - - -

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!


I buy glasses on-line from Zenni Optical in China. Wife criticized me
for not buying here but I showed her glass case from pair costing 7X as
much in US and it said, "Made in China".

Show me something you can buy in the "mass market" that ISN'T made
in China, or from parts made in China, and I'll show you something
made in Korea, Viet Nam, or the Phillipines - - -

That's right. People that will only buy American are paying mostly for
nameplate. Years ago, my last American car, a Ford, was assembled in
Mexico.


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On 4/29/2017 6:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2017 11:58 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:


When doing work you can recover your cost it is often better to pay more
for an item and get the customer going.

When working a large motor speed control quit. The factory repair main
replaced 2 large diodes. There were 3 of them as this was a 3 phase
system. I asked him to replace the 3 rd one. He said they were $ 50
each. I told him I don't care as it was costing up about $ 1000 an hour
to be down plus your charge to come back in if needed. It may not need
changing, but why take the chance.


Exactly. If two of the three crap out, what are the odds?



exactly. If you have a car with a timing belt, it is often just the
cost of parts to replace the water pump at the same time. There are a
lot of situations like that. $10 or $40 now rather than $500 if it
breaks next week.


LOL! You own a Honda too, eh?

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On 4/28/2017 9:46 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers I just
built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great , stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled again .
New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard and
processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least part of
the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is computex_tech on
ebay .
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That's right. People that will only buy American are paying mostly for
nameplate. Years ago, my last American car, a Ford, was assembled in
Mexico.


My '87 F150 was made in Canada.


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On 04/29/2017 07:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Funny how what is thought of as American cars are assembled in other
countries and now some of the 'imported'cars are made in America. I
hate that because seems the imported cars are better than the same brand
made in the US.


The history of the Lordstown plant is a a capsule summary of the US car
industry. GM even tried to reprise their last diesel adventure.
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On 4/29/2017 11:40 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 04/29/2017 05:37 AM, Frank wrote:
That's right. People that will only buy American are paying mostly for
nameplate. Years ago, my last American car, a Ford, was assembled in
Mexico.


My '87 F150 was made in Canada.


I worked with an engineer that had left Ford. His last assignment was
to adapt a Ford model for a Japanese engine.
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 07:37:04 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:05:29 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 5:15 PM,
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:36:15 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 4/28/2017 1:53 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/28/2017 11:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2017 12:46 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
A few days ago I was commenting that one of the "new" computers
I just built was continuously crashing and having problems . Sent
the motherboard
back to the vendor , who tested it and found it was bad . New board
on the
way . I used the same board in another comp , and it runs great ,
stable and
doing well . I'll be glad to get everything organized and settled
again . New RAM is on it's way from HK so I can max out both
comps . I like the
vendor , he/they messaged me asking questions about the motherboard
and processor . They wanted to be sure their RAM is compatible with
my equipment
before they shipped it . I like that , and it's probably at least
part of the reason they have a 100% satisfaction rating . Vendor is
computex_tech on
ebay .
--
Snag


I've bought all my memory from Crucial and never had a problem. They
have a program you can use to check compatibility with your machine.



If I work on a machine for someone else, I usually go for the best
parts possible...but for one of my own machines, at least one that is
not critical, I sometimes take chances.


On eBay I saw some super cheap RAM ...from China...that said it would
only work with an AMD CPU. Since I had a few machines with AMD
processors that needed more RAM I decided to order some...it was only
$2 a stick.

When I placed the order they did not process it at first ...they
emailed me to make sure I understood it was AMD only and only after I
told them I understood...did they process the order.


One of the sticks was bad and when I informed them I told them that
for $2 they need not send a replacement but to my surprise they
immediately refunded $2.

The rest of the RAM has been running fine for about a year now...

I suspect the RAM was cheap simply because they did not have a quality
control department.


Bottom line though, I was dealing with China and they were pretty good
about their dealings.

I've had both good and bad dealings with Chinese merchants . Some bend
over backwards to please , others act like you've insulted their family for
the last 3 generations by even hinting that their product is less than
perfect .

I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've never
shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my wife which
turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or bad and US stuff
may even be the same but quality control should be better and they
filter out the bad. Worth paying for.
I've had at least as much trouble buying chinese crap from american
suppliers as from Chinese. The pros? Faster shipping from US resellers
(when they have stock)
Cons? Pay 4 or 5 times as much, PLUS shipping. Don't know how the
Chinese can ship half way around the world for free on a 50 cent part
that costs me 5 or 6 bucks from Texas or California, plus 9 bucks or
more for shipping - - - -

As far as computers are concerned, I've given up building them - I
buy ready built with a warranty and I keep my hair!!!


I buy glasses on-line from Zenni Optical in China. Wife criticized me
for not buying here but I showed her glass case from pair costing 7X as
much in US and it said, "Made in China".

Show me something you can buy in the "mass market" that ISN'T made
in China, or from parts made in China, and I'll show you something
made in Korea, Viet Nam, or the Phillipines - - -

That's right. People that will only buy American are paying mostly for
nameplate. Years ago, my last American car, a Ford, was assembled in
Mexico.

My last aerostar was assemled in St Louis of "globally souced parts"
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philo news Apr 2017 18:55:04 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

On 04/28/2017 01:36 PM, Frank wrote:


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I think it is a crap shoot looking for cheapest stuff. I've
never shopped ebay but my brother-in-law has bought stuff for my
wife which turned out to be crap. Chinese stuff might be good or
bad and US stuff may even be the same but quality control should
be better and they filter out the bad. Worth paying for.



Here is where it all started for me.

I do a lot of computer repair work and one day the unbelievable
thing happened...I ran out of CMOS batteries!


LOL.. Okay. I know alot of people who say that, but, I wind up working
on their **** outright and/or assisting them when they get way in over
their pretty little heads. But, I'll humour you on this one.

No big deal, I'll just run over to the local drug store and pick
one up, I'll pay a bit too much but big deal.


Are they CR16 or CR32?


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They were the CR2032

and one thing I know is batteries. I was a senior service engineer at
Enersys-Delaware and had 38 years in the field when I retired.
(Previously Yuasa-Exide and before that Exide)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnerSys

I know how to test a CMOS battery under load and always do so with any
that might have been sitting around for a while, but they do have a very
long shelf life.


If I really needed the battery that day I would have paid the $7 or
stole one out of the machine spare machines I have in my shop.


It was more of a psychological need than a real one.


Example:

Ten years after I had been living in my house, I one day noticed that
the bathroom light had no globe. It was just a bare light bulb.

I went over to the nearest h/w store but they were out of the size I
needed. The clerk told me he was getting a restock shipment in two days
and to come back.


Needless to say I went to another H/W store, no way was I going to wait
two more days!



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