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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 1:33 PM, Meanie wrote:
On 4/11/2017 12:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 4/10/2017 9:23 PM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:15:07 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: If it was overbooked, there should have been four people standing up looking for a seat. Musical Chairs rules should apply. Airlines overbook every day. It ****es people off. People don't show up for flights, so airlines overbook. They play the statistics game and sometimes there are loosers. Just like in Musical Chairs. Irrelevant. It's a game played by the airlines, not the customers. The "losers" should ALWAYS be the airlines. They assume the risk, they should suffer the consequences when they lose that risk. Given that ticket prices have this overbooking situation built in, with contractual clauses in place, the passengers are also assuming the risk. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 12:56 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 12:32:59 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote: On 4/11/2017 10:50 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... I would agree, assuming they knew they had these 4 employees all along. It's possible that only came up after people had boarded. Once this guy claimed he was a doctor and started bitching, they should have asked to see his license and if he showed it, then selected another random person. That seems like a reasonable thing that could have avoided this mess. If that doctor was all that important, he should have scheduled a flight a few days sooner. Unless he was some kind of very special doctor on an emergency call, which would be doubtful. It's rather clear that you, Ralph, have little understanding of overbooking. Your comment that he should have planned ahead is just ignorant. He DID plan ahead. He booked and was seated on a flight that would get him to Louisville when he needed to be. The airline did not do the same with their crew members. Whose planning was **** poor? I don't think Ralph is too far off. If you really, really have to be somewhere, then you don't plan on taking the last flight available the day before you need to be there. For example, if you live in NYC and are taking a cruise that leaves from LA, it's not a good idea to take the last flight that will get you to the dock on time. Airlines have to cancel flights occasionally due to weather, equipment problems, crew problems, etc. As for the airline with their crew members, we don't know the full story. When did UAL know they had to put them on this flight? Many times these things change dynamically. A flight crew that was supposed to fly out of city A can't get there because their equipment is out of service and can't fly at the last minute. Then the airline has to scramble to find a crew that can get there to fly the plane out of city A. I don't care what class ticket you purchase. Fail to give notice that you will not board that flight and try and get a refund. Ain't gonna happen. Obviously you don't fly much, because otherwise you'd know that this happens all the time. Some tickets are fully refundable. Less expensive tickets may not be, but the vast majority of those on the majors, eg UAL, are usable for another flight, typically with a change fee. If you DO give sufficient notice, you may get the refund AND the airline then knows they have an extra seat. If they overbook, they are betting that X% will be no shows or reschedule, they will keep the money (or a large percentage of it) from that fare and still collect another fare for the same seat. It's just like any other form of gambling and the odds are stacked in favor of the house. Follow along on this little screw up by United. In the end, I suspect that the only question that will be answered is how many zeroes will be added to the check that United/Republic Airlines and the City of Chicago will write. Chicago Department of Aviation has already suspended their officer and acknowledged that he violated procedure by the manner in which he acted. I suppose we should have just had a hippie group therapy session there on the tarmac with the passenger who won't obey the lawful commands of the flight crew and those of the police? I've seen quite a few of these in the news and have yet to see one where a passenger disobeyed the flight crew and police and won. This was just another self-centered jerk passenger, who didn't care if he wound up with the whole flight cancelled. Maybe he had a late seminar or operation. Who is anyone to tell him when to leave or not? He paid for a schedule fare. He is not at fault in any way possible, |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 2:31 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote: If that doctor was all that important, he should have scheduled a flight a few days sooner. So passengers should waste their time because United Airlines doesn't plan ahead? +1 Someone who gets it. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:19:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The guy may be a dirt bag, but that does not excuse the airline for screwing up. The guy should not have been seated. Why did they not know in advance the employees had to fly? We're talking 15 or 20 minutes when they started to board. I'd like to know if the crew had to make a flight of if they were just on the way home from vacation. I've not seen anything on that yet. Saw an interesting comment today. Saying this was a "contract dispute" and cops should have told United to handle their problem. Contracts disputes are dealt with in front of a judge. Further: "...United policy examined after passenger is forced off flight" (lawyer talk) http://video.foxnews.com/v/5394010737001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips or https://tinyurl.com/lannwu4 |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 1:46 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:19:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: The guy may be a dirt bag, but that does not excuse the airline for screwing up. The guy should not have been seated. Why did they not know in advance the employees had to fly? We're talking 15 or 20 minutes when they started to board. I'd like to know if the crew had to make a flight of if they were just on the way home from vacation. I've not seen anything on that yet. Saw an interesting comment today. Saying this was a "contract dispute" and cops should have told United to handle their problem. Contracts disputes are dealt with in front of a judge. after the trespasser is removed from your property. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 04/11/2017 04:03 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/11/2017 11:50 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: If that doctor was all that important, he should have scheduled a flight a few days sooner. Unless he was some kind of very special doctor on an emergency call, which would be doubtful. Given the reliability of air travel at any time, I'd agree. Same with people that have to meet a cruise ship that is not going to wait for you. As should the airline schedule their crew better, not to have to pull people out of their seats. If you are a very special little snowflake, air taxi is always an option. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips The airlines behavior is despicable. I can smell a lawsuit coming. They should have upped the offer to $2000. $2000 is a cheap concession compared to the bad publicity. I am sure the video is on YouTube and many other sites. Andy In an effort to help United Airlines with this recent P-R disaster - we can all offer some future advertising slogans ! " You'll love our planes so much - we'll have to drag you off ! " ... carry on .. John T. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 2:00 PM, wrote:
One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips The airlines behavior is despicable. I can smell a lawsuit coming. They should have upped the offer to $2000. $2000 is a cheap concession compared to the bad publicity. I am sure the video is on YouTube and many other sites. Andy In an effort to help United Airlines with this recent P-R disaster - we can all offer some future advertising slogans ! " You'll love our planes so much - we'll have to drag you off ! " ... carry on .. John T. "we put the 'hospital' in 'hospitality'" |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:00:12 -0400, wrote:
" You'll love our planes so much - we'll have to drag you off ! " We can tell you to go to hell and enjoy the trip! BFG |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 4:39 PM, Meanie wrote:
Maybe he had a late seminar or operation. Who is anyone to tell him when to leave or not? He paid for a schedule fare. He is not at fault in any way possible, Read the terms of the ticket and you'll see there are no guarantees. A couple vouchers and a seat on the next flight is all you get. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:07:42 +0100, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/10/2017 9:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips They kicked him (and 3 others) off to make room for a Delta employee. That seems unfair to me as they were already boarded. . Apparently they needed 4 seats for Delta employees who were crew on their way to where they were needed for a flight. I don't see that as unfair. Airlines routinely overbook flights and it's not often that they wind up with too few seats. Are you ****ing serious? They sold tickets to people then didn't let them on. That's a criminal act. -- A mistake is evidence that someone has tried to do something. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message ... One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips United Airlines CEO should be in Jail and pay fines minimum of (1) one Million for they action and the airport Police should be fined too "Because this dose not have anything to do with Criminology it is Civil matters which must been resolved in court of Law, which apparently police decided to take rules on them self. They action is Gestapo tactics is not acceptable... This action of United is General practice and our Ethical DOJ should step-in and make sure that never happens again. I had reservation on United airlines from San Francisco to Newark NJ with Handicap spouse in Business class next to each other because of her condition, and paid for; but after I check in I was split with my spouse and put all the way in back cabin Couch class. THANKS TO OUR SUPREME COURT WHICH IS TO BUSY DEMISING FAMILY UNIONS' MAKING EVERY BODY DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY AS TIER OWN!!! Dear CEO shove apology to your ???? We do not need apology but action!!! |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
"Frank" wrote in message news On 4/11/2017 12:35 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 4/10/2017 9:23 PM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:15:07 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: If it was overbooked, there should have been four people standing up looking for a seat. Musical Chairs rules should apply. Airlines overbook every day. It ****es people off. People don't show up for flights, so airlines overbook. They play the statistics game and sometimes there are loosers. Just like in Musical Chairs. I heard it was not overbooked but the airline wanted seats for its own employees to get to their jobs. Story still developing so we will see how it ends. Guy said he was important Dr. but who knows if he is telling the truth. ************If he is important Dr. or not that is irrelevant!!!*************** United Airlines CEO should be in Jail and pay fines minimum of (1) one Million for they action and the airport Police should be fined too "Because this dose not have anything to do with Criminology it is Civil matters which must be resolved in court of Law, which apparently police decided to take rules on them self. They action is Gestapo tactics is not acceptable... This action of United is General practice and our Ethical DOJ should step-in and make sure that never happens again. I had reservation on United airlines from San Francisco to Newark NJ with Handicap spouse in Business class next to each other because of her condition, and paid for; but after I check in I was split with my spouse and put all the way in back. Dear CEO shove apology to your ???? We do not need apology but action!!! If airline did do it for their own convenience it will cost them a bundle. Yes if we have Ethical Justice But??? we do not |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:50:30 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/10/2017 9:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips They kicked him (and 3 others) off to make room for a Delta employee. That seems unfair to me as they were already boarded. . Why couldn't the employee just stand? -- Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach. |
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"Reverend Harry Hardwick" wrote in message eb.com... On 4/11/2017 4:39 PM, Meanie wrote: Maybe he had a late seminar or operation. Who is anyone to tell him when to leave or not? He paid for a schedule fare. He is not at fault in any way possible, Read the terms of the ticket and you'll see there are no guarantees. A couple vouchers and a seat on the next flight is all you get. I do not give **** what ticket says I made reservation and paid for that seat for that trip, it is mine Even President Trump is EXCLUDED FROM IT! For the Future any SOB try any thing like that prepare to die, die, die. me or you. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 3:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:50:30 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/10/2017 9:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips They kicked him (and 3 others) off to make room for a Delta employee. That seems unfair to me as they were already boarded. . Why couldn't the employee just stand? FAA regulations, for one. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:00:28 -0700, Taxed and Spent
wrote: " You'll love our planes so much - we'll have to drag you off ! " "we put the 'hospital' in 'hospitality'" We beat our competition, not you! |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:26:59 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote:
On 4/11/2017 3:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:50:30 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/10/2017 9:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips They kicked him (and 3 others) off to make room for a Delta employee. That seems unfair to me as they were already boarded. . Why couldn't the employee just stand? FAA regulations, for one. It's an employee not a customer. Anyway you can stand on a bus, and planes are safer than buses. Or.... get two smaller people to share a seat. Someone sit on somebody's lap. Jesus Christ can't people think outside the box anymore? -- Condoms should be used on every conceivable occasion. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 6:19 PM, Tony944 wrote:
"Reverend Harry Hardwick" wrote in message eb.com... On 4/11/2017 4:39 PM, Meanie wrote: Maybe he had a late seminar or operation. Who is anyone to tell him when to leave or not? He paid for a schedule fare. He is not at fault in any way possible, Read the terms of the ticket and you'll see there are no guarantees. A couple vouchers and a seat on the next flight is all you get. I do not give **** what ticket says I made reservation and paid for that seat for that trip, it is mine Even President Trump is EXCLUDED FROM IT! For the Future any SOB try any thing like that prepare to die, die, die. me or you. More information is coming out. I still think it was poorly handled and avoidable though. The guy allegedly originally took the $800 but later found out he would be day late, not just a few hours ad changed his mind It was airport security that made the decision to drag him off http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tea...id=mailsignout |
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Police drag Dr. Felon Nutcake from United plane
"Bumped" Flier Is Felon With Past Psych Issues APRIL 11--The Kentucky doctor who was dragged screaming off an overbooked United Airlines flight is a convicted felon whose medical license was revoked for more than a decade following his conviction for providing a male patient prescription painkillers €œin exchange for sex acts€ at a series of motels, according to court records. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...irlines-879032 |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 5:19 PM, Tony944 wrote:
"Reverend Harry Hardwick" wrote in message eb.com... On 4/11/2017 4:39 PM, Meanie wrote: Maybe he had a late seminar or operation. Who is anyone to tell him when to leave or not? He paid for a schedule fare. He is not at fault in any way possible, Read the terms of the ticket and you'll see there are no guarantees. A couple vouchers and a seat on the next flight is all you get. I do not give **** what ticket says I made reservation and paid for that seat for that trip, it is mine Even President Trump is EXCLUDED FROM IT! For the Future any SOB try any thing like that prepare to die, die, die. me or you. Now that's what I call a rational response! LOL! |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/2017 5:32 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:26:59 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 4/11/2017 3:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:50:30 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote: [snip] Why couldn't the employee just stand? FAA regulations, for one. It's an employee not a customer. Anyway you can stand on a bus, and planes are safer than buses. Or.... get two smaller people to share a seat. Someone sit on somebody's lap. Jesus Christ can't people think outside the box anymore? When was the last time you saw a member of the flight crew standing during a take off or landing? |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:16:01 +0100, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/11/2017 5:32 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:26:59 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 4/11/2017 3:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:50:30 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote: [snip] Why couldn't the employee just stand? FAA regulations, for one. It's an employee not a customer. Anyway you can stand on a bus, and planes are safer than buses. Or.... get two smaller people to share a seat. Someone sit on somebody's lap. Jesus Christ can't people think outside the box anymore? When was the last time you saw a member of the flight crew standing during a take off or landing? I've never been on a plane where the airline was so incompetant they sold more tickets than seats. Can't they add up? They can hold onto something can't they? It's not THAT much acceleration. -- A man is a person who will pay two dollars for a one-dollar item he wants. A woman will pay one dollar for a two-dollar item that she doesn't want. |
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On 4/11/17 12:44 PM, Frank wrote:
If that were the case, why did they oversell the flight? Are they so disorganized that they cannot foresee these things? They didn't oversell the flight. The deadheading was a late issue. Of course that doesn't answer why THAT wasn't foreseen. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/17 11:17 AM, trader_4 wrote:
Are you willing to pay the price increase for tickets if they stop overbooking? That's what will happen. They overbook based on experience for that flight, so that they wind up with a plane as full as possible. If they book to passengers scheduled, most planes will have more empty seats and customers wind up paying for it. Plus we have the environental waste of fuel. I don't fly enough to know for sure, but I have a couple of friends who do who note on United, et al, there are few refundable tickets. THus, they overbook, hoping people won't show more to keep their money and sell the seat a second time. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/17 2:31 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote: If that doctor was all that important, he should have scheduled a flight a few days sooner. So passengers should waste their time because United Airlines doesn't plan ahead? Some people indicated that United was boarding a Delta crew. Did I misunderstand? |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/17 1:03 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-4, Kurt V. Ullman wrote: On 4/11/17 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/11/2017 12:23 AM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:15:07 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: If it was overbooked, there should have been four people standing up looking for a seat. Musical Chairs rules should apply. Airlines overbook every day. It ****es people off. Often there are no-shows so I can understand it. I've been bumped but was well compensated for it and it made little difference in my life. Arriving a couple of hours later in first class and getting free tickets is not so bad. In this case though, the guy was already seated on the plane. Poor planning on the airline. The problem with that is for the most part the no-shows have already paid and any more it is non-refunable. So they are double dipping if they overbook. Non-refundable not usable. Yes, some tickets you have no recourse. But most tickets on the majors are re-usable, usually with a change fee, depending on whether it's a full fare ticket or a deep discount one. Thanks. I don't fly that much (thank God) but that was my understanding from a couple of friends who do. I either asked the wrong question or they answered the wrong question. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 4/11/17 1:03 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 10:02:41 AM UTC-4, Kurt V. Ullman wrote: On 4/11/17 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/11/2017 12:23 AM, Oren wrote: On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:15:07 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote: If it was overbooked, there should have been four people standing up looking for a seat. Musical Chairs rules should apply. Airlines overbook every day. It ****es people off. Often there are no-shows so I can understand it. I've been bumped but was well compensated for it and it made little difference in my life. Arriving a couple of hours later in first class and getting free tickets is not so bad. In this case though, the guy was already seated on the plane. Poor planning on the airline. The problem with that is for the most part the no-shows have already paid and any more it is non-refunable. So they are double dipping if they overbook. Non-refundable not usable. Yes, some tickets you have no recourse. But most tickets on the majors are re-usable, usually with a change fee, depending on whether it's a full fare ticket or a deep discount one. But even then don't you not only have to pay the change fee but also any difference in the fare you booked and the one that is available when you book (and you don't get the difference back if the fare is lower when you rebook does it?) This would seem to adequately compensate the airline and lower the need to overbook. |
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 3:29:22 PM UTC-5, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 08:10:54 -0700 (PDT) trader_4 wrote: TMZ is reporting Your news source explains a lot about you. WTF?? This is not directed to you personally. http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/11/travel...ght/index.html It is directed to those who claim the doctor was a trouble maker. Payback can sometime be a beach. :-) Andy |
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 3:19:56 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/11/2017 11:10 AM, trader_4 wrote: airlines and I hope the guy sues them for millions and settles for half that. He will win. So the new protocol is that you can just refuse to leave? Next you'll have everyone claiming they have important business to attend to and that they won't leave. This guy is just another one of these obnoxious assholes that screws with the rest of us and makes travel disasters. And check out what the media is finally starting to report about the doctor's background, eg TMZ is reporting the doctor's license was suspended for drug violations, including exchanging drug's for sex. The guy may be a dirt bag, but that does not excuse the airline for screwing up. The guy should not have been seated. Why did they not know in advance the employees had to fly? We're talking 15 or 20 minutes when they started to board. I'd like to know if the crew had to make a flight of if they were just on the way home from vacation. I've not seen anything on that yet. You call the guy a dirt bag. Then you pose questions about why the crew blah blah blah. He is not a dirt bag. You should apologize and stand in the corner for a timeout. :-) |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On 04/11/2017 11:44 AM, Frank wrote:
Just got through listening to some supercilious United Airline pilot calling Limbaugh and saying that it is a privilege to fly and there are rules that must be followed and the airline obeyed them. He implied that travelers should also know them and abide by them. A privilege to spend a few hours in a seat designed for an anorexic 10 year old? To get groped by the Total **** Assholes? I fly Trans Love Toyota these days. It's much more restful. |
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Police drag felon from United Airlines plane
On 04/11/2017 07:42 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
I've never been on a plane where the airline was so incompetant they sold more tickets than seats. Can't they add up? Every airline overbooks. The secret to not getting bumped is to buy a nice comfortable first class seat. The airlines only bump the uncouth low-life riffraff. They can hold onto something can't they? It's not THAT much acceleration. One reason is clear-air turbulence. You can't see it but when you fly through it, you'll wish you had a seat belt. And FWIW, according to news, the felon/doctor is one brick short of a full load: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-gay-sex.html |
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Police drag felon from United Airlines plane
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 09:55:29 +0100, Al Timiter wrote:
On 04/11/2017 07:42 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: I've never been on a plane where the airline was so incompetant they sold more tickets than seats. Can't they add up? Every airline overbooks. The secret to not getting bumped is to buy a nice comfortable first class seat. The airlines only bump the uncouth low-life riffraff. Overbooking on purpose? Why the **** would they do that? They can hold onto something can't they? It's not THAT much acceleration. One reason is clear-air turbulence. You can't see it but when you fly through it, you'll wish you had a seat belt. Funny, I have never been jolted when I've flown. Smoother than a bus, and you can stand in that. And FWIW, according to news, the felon/doctor is one brick short of a full load: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-gay-sex.html He only wanted to keep what he paid for, and get to his destination on time. I would have behaved in exactly the same way. -- Keyboards used to be expensive and beer used to be cheap. Now beer is expensive and keyboards are cheap. Conclusion, it's still bad to spill beer on your keyboard. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 7:42:28 PM UTC-4, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:16:01 +0100, Unquestionably Confused wrote: On 4/11/2017 5:32 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 23:26:59 +0100, Taxed and Spent wrote: On 4/11/2017 3:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 02:50:30 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote: [snip] Why couldn't the employee just stand? FAA regulations, for one. It's an employee not a customer. Anyway you can stand on a bus, and planes are safer than buses. Or.... get two smaller people to share a seat. Someone sit on somebody's lap. Jesus Christ can't people think outside the box anymore? When was the last time you saw a member of the flight crew standing during a take off or landing? I've never been on a plane where the airline was so incompetant they sold more tickets than seats. Can't they add up? Actually, the can. They want every seat filled. If they sold exactly the same number of tickets as seats, when someone cancels at the last minute or fails to show up, they'd have an empty seat. To prevent that, they sell more tickets than seats, knowing that some will cancel, and generally enough people will be willing to postpone their flight (for considerations) that it all works out reasonably satisfactorily for everyone. They have sophisticated algorithms for deciding how much to overbook a given flight. Does it make sense from their point of view? Absolutely. Is it sharp practice? No doubt. Cindy Hamilton |
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Does it make sense from their point of view? Absolutely. Is it sharp practice? No doubt. Cindy Hamilton I am trying to think about this at a higher level. You can look at this as a symptom of a bigger problem, and that is the way "contracts" are made between large companies and their customers. You really have no choice but to agree to all the fine print, sometimes 100's of pages, when you do business with a large company. There are often points in there that any sane individual would never agree with given the option. You all know the wonderful examples of Msoft and Verizon etc. I think the rules of law should be changed such that consumers should have the right to modify these contracts before agreeing, just like any other contract. You pencil in the change and initial it and now it is on the company to agree or not. I realize the logistics of that are impractical, but some other more practical solution is needed. Big companies have too much power and the government is trying to grab more and more power, but not for us, for themselves as well. Its a three way between companies, the government and the people, and we are loosing. |
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 1:44:40 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/11/2017 1:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 12:32:59 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote: On 4/11/2017 10:50 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... I would agree, assuming they knew they had these 4 employees all along. It's possible that only came up after people had boarded. Once this guy claimed he was a doctor and started bitching, they should have asked to see his license and if he showed it, then selected another random person. That seems like a reasonable thing that could have avoided this mess. If that doctor was all that important, he should have scheduled a flight a few days sooner. Unless he was some kind of very special doctor on an emergency call, which would be doubtful. It's rather clear that you, Ralph, have little understanding of overbooking. Your comment that he should have planned ahead is just ignorant. He DID plan ahead. He booked and was seated on a flight that would get him to Louisville when he needed to be. The airline did not do the same with their crew members. Whose planning was **** poor? I don't think Ralph is too far off. If you really, really have to be somewhere, then you don't plan on taking the last flight available the day before you need to be there. For example, if you live in NYC and are taking a cruise that leaves from LA, it's not a good idea to take the last flight that will get you to the dock on time. Airlines have to cancel flights occasionally due to weather, equipment problems, crew problems, etc. That was sort of my thinking. Airplanes often get delayed for various reasons not under control. The weather could be bad, or for some reason the airplane could have mechanical problems, or even a bomb threat. How many days was it that all planes were grounded after 9/11 ? If someone absolutly has to be at a place, they should be set up atleast a day or two sooner. As far as the planning on the airlines part, there could have been crew problems at the other airport. Maybe the crew had a wreck or some medical problems or family problems. I worked at a plant that needed to run 24/7 as to shut it down, especially under under controlled conditions would have cost over a million dollars. We don't usually get much snow in NC, but one day we got 12 inches. Very few could get into work or out of the plant (around 400 or more people on a normal shift change each way). The ones there stayed over and worked to keep the place running. That goes to show things hapen that no one can predict. Saw this at company I worked for. Could have been the same one. Just got through listening to some supercilious United Airline pilot calling Limbaugh and saying that it is a privilege to fly and there are rules that must be followed and the airline obeyed them. He implied that travelers should also know them and abide by them. Whatever the excuse the airline was working to maximize its profits to avoid downtime. Wow, imagine that. A business doing exactly what a business is supposed to do. Retired, I seldom fly anymore but did a bit when I was working and inconvenienced many times by what was an airline mistake. With the security problem, I would hate to fly today. A marketing manager I know says he spends all his days in airports. Very frustrating for travelers. Also very frustrating are asshole passengers, like the doctor in question. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 2:31:31 PM UTC-4, Neill Massello wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote: If that doctor was all that important, he should have scheduled a flight a few days sooner. So passengers should waste their time because United Airlines doesn't plan ahead? United Airlines can't foresee the future. Things happen, ranging from eqpt problems, to weather, to a flight crew that doesn't make it to where they are needed. The latter is what happened in this case, creating the need for those 4 United employees to go to KY. If you have some critical job, absolutely have to be somewhere, it's really stupid to rely on the last flight out of the day. |
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Police drag passenger from United Airlines plane
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 2:35:58 PM UTC-4, Andy wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 10:07:51 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 9:50:32 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/10/2017 9:38 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote: One snowflake, squealing like a pig, as he is dragged from the plane as other snowflakes sit by and scream "Oh my God"! That had to be a flight either to or from California. Maybe the police should have taken the guy who kept saying "I have to go home" with them too. http://video.foxnews.com/v/539284773...#sp=show-clips They kicked him (and 3 others) off to make room for a Delta employee. That seems unfair to me as they were already boarded. . Apparently they needed 4 seats for Delta employees who were crew on their way to where they were needed for a flight. I don't see that as unfair. Airlines routinely overbook flights and it's not often that they wind up with too few seats. If they made a mistake, it was in letting people on the plane before they were sure they had enough seats. But then IDK when they first learned that they had these 4 extra employees, could have been at the last minute. I agree with Gordon on this one. The media is just going wild on this one, saying the whole country is outraged at United. Well, I'm outraged too, but not at United. I'm fed up with idiots like this that make a spectacle, force planes to make an emergency landing because they have to pay $12 for a blanket and stunts like this. The dishonest media isn't even reporting the most basic facts. This was Chicago, not some little airport with no flights. So, when was the next flight that they could have put this passenger on? I bet they could have gotten him to his destination in just a few more hours. And this clown is a doctor? I wouldn't want him as my doctor with that kind of judgment and behavior. Also, on talk radio this morning, apparently the truth is starting to come out. I heard talk that the doctor's license had been suspended for drug offenses, including trading drugs for sex. IDK if it's true, but that's what's being reported some places now. The doctor paid for his seat. As do thousands of other passengers that wind up not having a seat every day. It's nothing new. Airlines routinely overbook flights, relying on the history of how many people don't show up. If they didn't, tickets would cost significantly more and a lot of people wouldn't like that. Did the 4 Delta employees pay for their seat. Ridiculous and irrelevant. They were a FLIGHT CREW. Not they did not !! I cheer for the doctor who stood up for his rights. There is a good saying. "Your bad planning does not become my emergency." Andy Clearly you don't fly much or understand how airlines operate. |
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