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Violent Electric Drill Accident
Cowa Bungie wrote:
Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. I am not a lawyer, but if you are interested in pursuing civil charges I think you'll find that it just doesn't matter what the law says relative to "specifications". In this day and age, anyone can sue anyone else for almost anything, or so it seems. In any case, IMHO this forum is not the right place to get that kind of advice. |
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It is not a problem with the drill but one with the operator. One of the
first rules of working with ANY rotating equipment is to confine hair to prevent it from winding around shafts or drill chucks in this case. Why sue a company for producing a product that works when the operator does not follow safety regulations. But, this is grist for the legal mill, if someone can successfully sue McDonalds for selling HOT coffee when they burn their crotch with it, I guess you can sue a tool maker for someone getting their hair wound up with it. "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. |
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Unless you can prove the drill locked itself, it's her fault. If it was
locked, what do you mean by "ditched the drill"? Blaming/suing the company will only cause us all grief. Otherwise, condolences. MH "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. |
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"Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. There is not a rotating hand tool made that is "hair proof". Considering that she has done this type work for 15 years without an accident can only be attributed to dumb luck. I am really curious as to why you are looking for someone to sue when it is clearly operator stupidity. |
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Cowa Bungie wrote:
God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. well i never paid much attention to the safety rules of long hair, being a boy, i always paid attention to the things like done let a tie hang over into the work area... wear safety glasses and the long sleeve shirt getting caught in the tools... i guess she violated the rule of long hair hanging onto the tool.....it could have happened with the elcheapo tools or the high end Ingersol Rand brand tools.... or for that matter some very high priced medical or scientific tools made for speical purposes if you dont take car of yourself and let your long hair hang... why do you(she) need a lawyer, how about a doctor?????? |
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Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. I doubt it, ever hear of a hair net, etc... thats why dudes with long hair use a baseball cap. any drill would do this to her. |
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Sorry about the flip answers you hoped you wouldn't get. But any drill
would do this; any drill is easy to lock on, it's just a button and you have to be able to engage it one-handed. A less expensive, less powerful drill would probably have stalled, but then it would stall while drilling too. I'm sorry about the accident; all such accidents are gruesome. As an EMT we had to watch movies and see pictures of folks with their hands turned inside out from getting caught in rotating stuff (they call it "evulsion"). Thank god I haven't had to deal with something like that yet in person. But it wasn't the fault of the machine. "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. |
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Not to be petty or anything, but this type of injury would not be considered
an evulsion. Scalping is in a category all its own, but if I had to place it in a category it would be more of a degloving injury. "donald girod" wrote in message ... Sorry about the flip answers you hoped you wouldn't get. But any drill would do this; any drill is easy to lock on, it's just a button and you have to be able to engage it one-handed. A less expensive, less powerful drill would probably have stalled, but then it would stall while drilling too. I'm sorry about the accident; all such accidents are gruesome. As an EMT we had to watch movies and see pictures of folks with their hands turned inside out from getting caught in rotating stuff (they call it "evulsion"). Thank god I haven't had to deal with something like that yet in person. But it wasn't the fault of the machine. "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. |
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Anyone with an ounce of brains knows that you do not use rotating
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Cowa Bungie writes:
I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. Unclear whether UL listing covers locking power switches. More to do with electrical hazards. The switch may have been defective, even if one ought to know about the hair hazard. So the manufacturer may have some liability. The tort system is supposed to determine that, flawed as it may be. |
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Yeah, degloving. I screwed up the terminology.
"TexasFireGuy" wrote in message . .. Not to be petty or anything, but this type of injury would not be considered an evulsion. Scalping is in a category all its own, but if I had to place it in a category it would be more of a degloving injury. "donald girod" wrote in message ... Sorry about the flip answers you hoped you wouldn't get. But any drill would do this; any drill is easy to lock on, it's just a button and you have to be able to engage it one-handed. A less expensive, less powerful drill would probably have stalled, but then it would stall while drilling too. I'm sorry about the accident; all such accidents are gruesome. As an EMT we had to watch movies and see pictures of folks with their hands turned inside out from getting caught in rotating stuff (they call it "evulsion"). Thank god I haven't had to deal with something like that yet in person. But it wasn't the fault of the machine. "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. |
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So, if I understand you correctly, you've come to alt.home.repair
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"Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. Look, it is really unfortunate. But people ought to take responsibility for their mistakes instead of always passing the buck to someone else, like George Bush does. |
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well there is good news. At least the next time she uses a drill at least
the third of here hair that is missing wont get caught in the drill. If I was on the Jury I would not side with her. I would side with why didnt she tie back her hair. "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. |
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"Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. You want information.. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. Umm...such a contradiction. You state, shes more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most guys...but yet, she used a drill, a 1/2 inch model on top of that, ($20 1/2 inch drill??? Garbage?) and didnt pull her hair back? All the guys I know with hair that long make sure its out of the way before they pull the trigger.. And, I suppose if the bit was working...it was broken as it was jerked out of the hole it made as the drill pulled itself towards her head as the chuck was spinning... And...she ditched the drill..humm.....meaning she had time, at about 500RPM (I havent checked the specs on that one, but one can assume it was that fast or faster if shes drilling out a lock, ) to realize what was happening, toss the drill, with it locked in ON position..and watch it continue to climb..when if it was locked, most models just require you to snap the trigger again... I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. You sound like you are married to her...in all honesty.. I read this post, and wish I could be on the jury that you get when you take it to court. User assumes all responsibility when working with a tool. I about got my finger cut off about 2 weeks ago in an accident...but at no time did I consider a lawsuit...sheesh....and it wasnt with a power tool. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. No..if it really happened...while I feel for you, I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. I have a Milwaukee that had she done that, it would not have stopped till it ripped her head off... Looking at your post, its either BS, and if its not, well, I am of the opinion, from someone that wasnt there, that you have no case. She bought a cheap drill. She willingly used that cheap drill She willingly used that drill with her hair down. I went to the Cummins (not Cummings) web site and looked at the drills... http://www.cumminstools.com/browse.cfm/4,531.html Is that it? It is the ONLY Cummins that meets what you said...1/2 hammer... IF you start a lawsuit over user error, can we sue you for stupid claims? Its a shame that she got hurt but accidents happen, and a lawsuit not going to do anything....and I doubt seriously, after this letter being posted on the internet, that anyones gonna take it seriously. People are tired of everyone being sued...its normally people that are looking for a free ride that even think that... So, dont worry about a lawsuit..worry about getting her taken care of....and teach her the proper way to use power tools...THAT would be the BEST thing you can do. |
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"Desert Traveler" wrote in message news:_apRa.493$Ne.187@fed1read03... "Jim Vadek" wrote in message et... "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. Look, it is really unfortunate. But people ought to take responsibility for their mistakes instead of always passing the buck to someone else, like George Bush does. Except, in the case of George Bush, it really IS the other people's fault. You've been on drugs or what? Sure it IS his fault, it's everyone else who IS paying for his lies. Shepherd |
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030717 0309 - CBHvac wrote:
"Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. You want information.. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. Umm...such a contradiction. You state, shes more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most guys...but yet, she used a drill, a 1/2 inch model on top of that, ($20 1/2 inch drill??? Garbage?) and didnt pull her hair back? All the guys I know with hair that long make sure its out of the way before they pull the trigger.. And, I suppose if the bit was working...it was broken as it was jerked out of the hole it made as the drill pulled itself towards her head as the chuck was spinning... And...she ditched the drill..humm.....meaning she had time, at about 500RPM (I havent checked the specs on that one, but one can assume it was that fast or faster if shes drilling out a lock, ) to realize what was happening, toss the drill, with it locked in ON position..and watch it continue to climb..when if it was locked, most models just require you to snap the trigger again... I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. You sound like you are married to her...in all honesty.. I read this post, and wish I could be on the jury that you get when you take it to court. User assumes all responsibility when working with a tool. I about got my finger cut off about 2 weeks ago in an accident...but at no time did I consider a lawsuit...sheesh....and it wasnt with a power tool. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. No..if it really happened...while I feel for you, I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. I have a Milwaukee that had she done that, it would not have stopped till it ripped her head off... Looking at your post, its either BS, and if its not, well, I am of the opinion, from someone that wasnt there, that you have no case. She bought a cheap drill. She willingly used that cheap drill She willingly used that drill with her hair down. I went to the Cummins (not Cummings) web site and looked at the drills... http://www.cumminstools.com/browse.cfm/4,531.html Is that it? It is the ONLY Cummins that meets what you said...1/2 hammer... IF you start a lawsuit over user error, can we sue you for stupid claims? Its a shame that she got hurt but accidents happen, and a lawsuit not going to do anything....and I doubt seriously, after this letter being posted on the internet, that anyones gonna take it seriously. People are tired of everyone being sued...its normally people that are looking for a free ride that even think that... So, dont worry about a lawsuit..worry about getting her taken care of....and teach her the proper way to use power tools...THAT would be the BEST thing you can do. An old friend of mine was doing some remodeling on his house a few years back and picked up a board to cut it with his SkilSaw. He held the board in his hand and made the cut. When he had finished, he put the saw down and went to examine his cut board and realized that he had cut two of his fingers off where he was holding the board. His dog ate one of them. His wife took him to the hospital and they patched up the stub ends. |
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The same thing happened to me 31 years ago. I was a teenager working in
construction for the Summer. I had to drill some holes through some ceiling joists using a name brand heavy duty angle drill with an extension bit. I had very long hair at the time. I climbed up on the ladder and found it awkward to hold the drill while balancing myself. The most comfortable position was having the drill on the side of my head against my shoulder. Next thing I know my head is getting pulled into the drill. Fortunately the trigger did not lock as in your case. After releasing the trigger I realized what had happened. Most of the hair on one side of my head got yanked out by the roots. I tied my hair back until the bald spot started to grow again and then had all of my hair cut off. For many years after that the part of my hair that grew back had a better texture than the other side. Many hairstylists commented on the difference in my hair from one side to the other. Now whenever I do ANY work I remove ALL jewelry including my wedding ring and wris****ch and I never wear anything around my neck and I always wear steel toe high back work shoes. I also keep a pair of gloves hooked on my belt using a clip that releases if excessive force is applied to them. In my case it was operator error. You could send a letter to the Federal Trade Commission. Be sure to include the model number, serial number, and name and address of the manufacturer. If they get enough complaints about the same thing they will look into the matter. I think that they have an online form for complaints such as these. I know many people prefer to do things themselves for various reasons such as saving money, enjoyment of working with tools, can't find someone to do the work etc. I have been in the electrical trade for 30+ years and still do not know everything. Getting information to do something from a posting on the internet is not a substitute for my experience. You may look at something in your home or watch a home improvement show and think to yourself "I can do that". It may look easy, but don't discount the fact that you do not have a truck full of tools for that trade nor do you have all of the materials needed on hand. Also, do you know what to do when something goes wrong? As an electrician I never know what I will find when I get to a job. Every house is different. One set of instructions does not apply to every situation. To put things in perspective consider this: Each of you has a profession. You work at a job that you have experience in. You work hard to make a living and have the necessary tools on hand to do your job correctly. Do you think that a person from off the street without any formal training and experience could watch a 30 minute TV show or read a book and know how to do everything as well as you? I should say thank you to all of the Do-it-Yourselfers out there. They have been good for my business. After they get too deep into a wiring project I will get a phone call. When someone moves into a house that a Do-it-Yourselfer has worked on I will get a phone call. After the fire has been put out as a result of someone doing something the wrong way, I will get a phone call. After someone has been cited by the building department or some other govenment agency, I will get a phone call. When someone is trying to sell their house and the home inspector found some things that were not safe, I will get a phone call. Don't get me wrong. I am not telling you not to do work around your house. You can do many things safely and correctly and legally. Take the time to find out how to do it right. Make sure that you have the proper tools. Consider all of the things that could go wrong. This forum should only be one of many sources of information that you use to research your project. If it is a big job, consider hiring a professional for consultation purposes. Safety first. John Grabowski http://www.mrelectrician.tv "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... Thanks to everyone who answered, even the miserable folks. I posted in the heat of the moment and except for investigating this model and why it was sold so cheaply, i.e., in case there *was* a problem with the lock sticking, will let the matter drop. By "ditching the drill," I meant she had a split second decision to make as the bit rotated up from the deadbolt toward her skull. She litterally scalped herself, because she knew it she didn't she was going to die or be blinded. Thanks again. To those of you who felt it necessary to point out my/our stupidity, well, sort of reminded me mercy is shown to those who show mercy. To those of you with kind condolences, hope your day shines, cause you helped a lot. |
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"Cowa Bungie" wrote in message: God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. snipped I believe from your description the problem was operator error and I extend sympathies with any accident - whether it be negligence or otherwise invoked. I doubt that the information you are looking to obtain would do you any good since the underlying tones indicate grounds for a lawsuit. I would report the incident with all the pertinent information to the consumer board. I would inquire whether or not any other accidents have occurred and if so - how they could be avoided in the future - regardless of the hair - regardless of a locking trigger mechanism, etc. I have 6 drills (both corded and cordless). 3 of them have locking trigger mechanisms. My useage and handling capabilities are the key to a safe project. According to your statement, she "ditched" the drill rather than trying to release the locking mechanism. Even if it could have been released, you didn't mention if she tried to do so. Again - not trying to be flippant and knowing your friend has experienced some tremendous pain, I hope that all lessons are learned from this. Jim Mc Namara |
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Lou W wrote:
There is not a rotating hand tool made that is "hair proof". Considering that she has done this type work for 15 years without an accident can only be attributed to dumb luck. I am really curious as to why you are looking for someone to sue when Because abrogation of personal responsibility has become "The American Way" it is clearly operator stupidity. Yep. -- dadiOH ________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.0... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://www.gbronline.com/xico/ _________________________________ |
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mark Ransley whose morphine drip just kicked on wrote:
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James Keene aka Ara AJ the Ass is back, looks like a cut down day from
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"Cowa Bungie" wrote in message
om... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. I don't see how the drill manufacturer is responsible for this incident. How did *this* drill in particular contribute to her accident, as opposed to some other drill? If the drill blew up in her face or something, I could see contemplating a suit, but it didn't. The first rule of utilizing any tool with moving parts is to make sure no hair or loose clothing can get caught. She obviously didn't do that. JWB |
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"RamblinOn" wrote in message
... But lots of bright people do dumb stuff, just once ) Safety glasses - how often do people really use them around power tools. In a factory I worked in at one time, they used to publicize events where the glasses prevented injuries. Have seen them break but still vastly reduce or stop injury. Wear jewelry around machinery? How many people take off wedding bands before running power equipment or working on the car? I've seen the people who teach safety get hurt because they had just one lapse. And then there are those who tempt fate and take their beer while they are working to make it more "fun", like repairing the roof on a really hot day and the beer goes down so well ) Then there is the stuff I never thought of, like making sure the drill is OFF when I plug it in ) while it is about an inch from my face due to the plug being hard to access. The OP did a favor by showing how bad one little mistake can be. I hope his friend recovers completely. all good points. I wear my safety glasses all the time, but I have been guilty of having a beer or three while installing shelves or some easy job like that (never up on a roof, though JWB |
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"Heathcliff Bambino" For legal advice via Usenet (no comment as to how sensible that is) try misc.legal.moderated . All legal advice here is free and damn well worth twice the price. Steve |
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"Desert Traveler" wrote in message news:UnDRa.4610$Ne.3635@fed1read03... "Heathcliff Bambino" For legal advice via Usenet (no comment as to how sensible that is) try misc.legal.moderated . All legal advice here is free and damn well worth twice the price. Since the poster never came back, nor posted to any other site about this (so called) incident, I think he got out of all of you what he wanted!! ;-) Tom J |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:53:53 -0400, RamblinOn
wrote: wrote: Anyone with an ounce of brains knows that you do not use rotating machinery around long sleeves, gloves, and long hair. But lots of bright people do dumb stuff, just once ) Safety glasses - how often do people really use them around power tools. In a factory I worked in at one time, they used to publicize events where the glasses prevented injuries. Have seen them break but still vastly reduce or stop injury. Wear jewelry around machinery? How many people take off wedding bands before running power equipment or working on the car? I've seen the people who teach safety get hurt because they had just one lapse. And then there are those who tempt fate and take their beer while they are working to make it more "fun", like repairing the roof on a really hot day and the beer goes down so well ) Then there is the stuff I never thought of, like making sure the drill is OFF when I plug it in ) while it is about an inch from my face due to the plug being hard to access. The OP did a favor by showing how bad one little mistake can be. I hope his friend recovers completely. All the safety procedures you mentioned I follow just because it only takes one time to get injured.. If you won't follow, or are lacking in these common sense procedure then you should not operate the equipment. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:25:37 -0400, "Tom J" wrote:
"Desert Traveler" wrote in message news:UnDRa.4610$Ne.3635@fed1read03... "Heathcliff Bambino" For legal advice via Usenet (no comment as to how sensible that is) try misc.legal.moderated . All legal advice here is free and damn well worth twice the price. Since the poster never came back, nor posted to any other site about this (so called) incident, I think he got out of all of you what he wanted!! ;-) Tom J Actually he did post again this morning. Your newsfeed must be slow! Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! sue at interport dot net |
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Mr. Grabowski,
Excuse the top-posting. Thanks *much* for the professionalism and kindness. Everything you say is true, but as one lady who responded also said, Try finding someone to do a job *when* you need it done! This is vacation time; my scalped DYI-er was trying to do home repair work for an elderly relative. These days, professionals can be extremely picky-and-choosy. They drive by your house and if it's not a 200K bourgeois palace, they keep driving. Just the week before, the same elderly family member called plumbers all day long from the yellow pages and newspaper line ads trying to get someone to reapair what he thought was a relay box to a well pump gone bad. Nobody would take the time cause the job wasn't "big" enough. Anyway, thanks again. I've heard more hair-in-chuck stories in the past forty-eight hours than I expected to, and the family *will* follow the advice in your excellent post. Cow "John Grabowski" wrote in message . .. The same thing happened to me 31 years ago. I was a teenager working in construction for the Summer. I had to drill some holes through some ceiling joists using a name brand heavy duty angle drill with an extension bit. I had very long hair at the time. I climbed up on the ladder and found it awkward to hold the drill while balancing myself. The most comfortable position was having the drill on the side of my head against my shoulder. Next thing I know my head is getting pulled into the drill. Fortunately the trigger did not lock as in your case. After releasing the trigger I realized what had happened. Most of the hair on one side of my head got yanked out by the roots. I tied my hair back until the bald spot started to grow again and then had all of my hair cut off. For many years after that the part of my hair that grew back had a better texture than the other side. Many hairstylists commented on the difference in my hair from one side to the other. Now whenever I do ANY work I remove ALL jewelry including my wedding ring and wris****ch and I never wear anything around my neck and I always wear steel toe high back work shoes. I also keep a pair of gloves hooked on my belt using a clip that releases if excessive force is applied to them. In my case it was operator error. You could send a letter to the Federal Trade Commission. Be sure to include the model number, serial number, and name and address of the manufacturer. If they get enough complaints about the same thing they will look into the matter. I think that they have an online form for complaints such as these. I know many people prefer to do things themselves for various reasons such as saving money, enjoyment of working with tools, can't find someone to do the work etc. I have been in the electrical trade for 30+ years and still do not know everything. Getting information to do something from a posting on the internet is not a substitute for my experience. You may look at something in your home or watch a home improvement show and think to yourself "I can do that". It may look easy, but don't discount the fact that you do not have a truck full of tools for that trade nor do you have all of the materials needed on hand. Also, do you know what to do when something goes wrong? As an electrician I never know what I will find when I get to a job. Every house is different. One set of instructions does not apply to every situation. To put things in perspective consider this: Each of you has a profession. You work at a job that you have experience in. You work hard to make a living and have the necessary tools on hand to do your job correctly. Do you think that a person from off the street without any formal training and experience could watch a 30 minute TV show or read a book and know how to do everything as well as you? I should say thank you to all of the Do-it-Yourselfers out there. They have been good for my business. After they get too deep into a wiring project I will get a phone call. When someone moves into a house that a Do-it-Yourselfer has worked on I will get a phone call. After the fire has been put out as a result of someone doing something the wrong way, I will get a phone call. After someone has been cited by the building department or some other govenment agency, I will get a phone call. When someone is trying to sell their house and the home inspector found some things that were not safe, I will get a phone call. Don't get me wrong. I am not telling you not to do work around your house. You can do many things safely and correctly and legally. Take the time to find out how to do it right. Make sure that you have the proper tools. Consider all of the things that could go wrong. This forum should only be one of many sources of information that you use to research your project. If it is a big job, consider hiring a professional for consultation purposes. Safety first. John Grabowski http://www.mrelectrician.tv "Cowa Bungie" wrote in message om... Thanks to everyone who answered, even the miserable folks. I posted in the heat of the moment and except for investigating this model and why it was sold so cheaply, i.e., in case there *was* a problem with the lock sticking, will let the matter drop. By "ditching the drill," I meant she had a split second decision to make as the bit rotated up from the deadbolt toward her skull. She litterally scalped herself, because she knew it she didn't she was going to die or be blinded. Thanks again. To those of you who felt it necessary to point out my/our stupidity, well, sort of reminded me mercy is shown to those who show mercy. To those of you with kind condolences, hope your day shines, cause you helped a lot. |
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Thanks, Curly Sue. I've read all your posts on this thread and agree
with almost every single thing you say. Hope you have a nice day; you deserve one. (Curly Sue) wrote in message ... On 17 Jul 2003 04:34:25 -0700, (Cowa Bungie) wrote: Thanks to everyone who answered, even the miserable folks. I posted in the heat of the moment and except for investigating this model and why it was sold so cheaply, i.e., in case there *was* a problem with the lock sticking, will let the matter drop. I don't know how the lock works on a drill (or why you'd want one), but you mentioned that she might have "inadvertently" put the drill on lock. If there is a flaw in the design that would make that possible, or if a safety mechanism failed, then other people (including the manufacturer) should be made aware of this. For example, if the handle mechanism that cuts off power to electric lawnmowers didn't release when the user let go of the handle, that would be dangerous. You can search for information on product recalls and problems at the Consumer Product Safety Commission website. http://www.cpsc.gov There is also a place to report injuries. You can fill out the on-line form or call 1-800-638-2772. Please do so. It would at least make you feel better that you did what you could to prevent this from happening to someone else. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! sue at interport dot net |
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"RamblinOn" wrote in message
But lots of bright people do dumb stuff, just once ) Safety glasses - how often do people really use them around power tools. In a factory I worked in at one time, they used to publicize events where the glasses prevented injuries. Have seen them break but still vastly reduce or stop injury. Wear jewelry around machinery? How many people take off wedding bands before running power equipment or working on the car? I've seen the people who teach safety get hurt because they had just one lapse. And then there are those who tempt fate and take their beer while they are working to make it more "fun", like repairing the roof on a really hot day and the beer goes down so well ) Then there is the stuff I never thought of, like making sure the drill is OFF when I plug it in ) while it is about an inch from my face due to the plug being hard to access. The OP did a favor by showing how bad one little mistake can be. I hope his friend recovers completely. For some reason, my server didn't pick up this response, only when it was cited. First, thanks for the nonjudgmental-ism. You're absolutely right, of course, and I'm sure even Jesus Christ had an off day. (Not a sinful day, just an off day.) It's called being human. The biggest supporter my relative has had to date is a representative from our state's attorney general's office, who stressed how close to fatal this accident was. My relative wants to sue not because she's litigious or money-hungry. She now has to live with the memory of scalping herself, and if tests on this imported drill prove that the exposed shank is longer than what you'd find on similar but domestically manufactured drills, than she has no worries about being frivolous. |
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Hello, what sort of rotating tool is hairproof? And why should such an
elementary safety procedure as, "Tie up long hair," NOT be expected of an adult who operates power tools? There's nothing to sue over, the whosits caused her own injury. Foolish attempts to blame others for stupid moves by the operator causes a whole lotta problems for every tool users, not just stupid ones. (Cowa Bungie) wrote in message . com... God I hope I don't get flip answers to this one. Too much heartache tonight. I'm posting to get information about a drill purchased at a travelling power tools show. The drill's a Cummings 1/2" hammer drill. A female member of the family, more knowledgeable of all aspects of home renovation than most of the guys, was using the drill purchased for $19.99 to drill out one-way screws from a Kwikset deadbolt. She tried a regular 1/4" bit, which didn't work. A nice dude from a locksmithing company gave her a free replacement bit especially for Kwikset that would "get rid of the screw like butter." She must have inadvertently put the drill on lock. Then the new bit started working and according to the story, she bored in. Her gorgeous long hair got stuck in the chuck. To make a nightmare short, she was working alone, the drill was "this close" to boring a hole straight through her skull, long hair already scalped off, when she knew it was time to do something rash. She ditched the drill knowing it was still eating up her hair. She's as all right now as a woman can be after having a third of her scalp removed. Girl has long hair since she was a baby and has done work on dead bolts for the last fifteen years, among other things, and only sometimes used barrette and routinely used all kinds of drills. She's never had this kind of accident with any other model. I just want to know if it's o.k. to sell tools in the US if they failed Underwriters or import or Food and Drug or Whatever tests. I never personall had a problem with the drill and kind of liked it until now. Now it's a tomahawk with her beautiful hair so thick around the chuck I couldn't even find the keyhole. Thanks from a really really really sad inlaw. Oh and I know about safety glasses, safety measures, great jokes about dumb blondes. Honest to Christ thank you in advance, I don't need any more. Just want to know if this kid would have a claim against the company that made her look like a ghoul from the Sixth Sense. If there's a law permitting cut-rate jobbers to sell tools that don't meet specifications but allowing litigation... I never wished I was a lawyer until tonight. |
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In each of these cases, the TOOL worked as designed, didn't it? SO why
should the TOOL company be responsible for the accidents caused by operator error? I don't think, "Tie up long hair," is too complicated a directive for adults who use power tools. It's unfortunate to have injuries but not all of them are caused by poor tool design. (SOME ARE, but this isn't one of those occasions, IMHO.) RamblinOn wrote in message ... wrote: Anyone with an ounce of brains knows that you do not use rotating machinery around long sleeves, gloves, and long hair. But lots of bright people do dumb stuff, just once ) Safety glasses - how often do people really use them around power tools. In a factory I worked in at one time, they used to publicize events where the glasses prevented injuries. Have seen them break but still vastly reduce or stop injury. Wear jewelry around machinery? How many people take off wedding bands before running power equipment or working on the car? I've seen the people who teach safety get hurt because they had just one lapse. And then there are those who tempt fate and take their beer while they are working to make it more "fun", like repairing the roof on a really hot day and the beer goes down so well ) Then there is the stuff I never thought of, like making sure the drill is OFF when I plug it in ) while it is about an inch from my face due to the plug being hard to access. The OP did a favor by showing how bad one little mistake can be. I hope his friend recovers completely. |
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