We found some decent looking wood pattern Peel and Stick Tile (Vinyl, I
think) which
we thought would work over the cement floor in the basement. After a little
while
after applying (days or weeks) they started to peel and warp upwards.

It was very humid in the basement, could that have helped cause this
problem? We
put in a dehumidifier and I think I'll get one of those aquarium pumps
referred to in
other posts to automatically empty it, because I don't think my son bothers
to empty
it, and I don't get down there too often.

It seems to alleviate the problem somewhat, but I don't get down there too
often and
don't look too closely. Should I have put down a plywood layer over the
cement first,
then the tiles? I know this is better, but is it absolutely necessary?

I've been told the glue on the self-adhesives is fine. Any comments on
that?

Rufus





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"Rufus V. Smith" wrote in message ...
We found some decent looking wood pattern Peel and Stick Tile (Vinyl, I
think) which
we thought would work over the cement floor in the basement. After a
little
while
after applying (days or weeks) they started to peel and warp upwards.


I've been told the glue on the self-adhesives is fine. Any comments on
that?

Rufus


Jasco makes a product that I have used with success prior to installing
self-stick vinyl tiles. Their Adhesive Primer is available at Home Depot
(SKU #983888)...

"For use on drywall, hardboard, plywood, concrete, and Glasscrete. Primes
floors and walls before applying adhesive. Prevents dry out when adhesive is
drawn below the surface. Eliminates the need for sizing before applying
wallpaper. Ensures adhesion of self-stick floor tile. Easy water cleanup.
Covers 300 to 500 square feet per gallon."

Rick

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"Rick" wrote:

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Jasco makes a product that I have used with success prior to installing
self-stick vinyl tiles. Their Adhesive Primer is available at Home Depot
(SKU #983888)...

"For use on drywall, hardboard, plywood, concrete, and Glasscrete. Primes
floors and walls before applying adhesive. Prevents dry out when adhesive is
drawn below the surface. Eliminates the need for sizing before applying
wallpaper. Ensures adhesion of self-stick floor tile. Easy water cleanup.
Covers 300 to 500 square feet per gallon."

Rick



Thanks for this timely tip; we're about to do the same thing in our
basement project. We haven't had problems with the tiles that are there,
but I'd rather do a little "overkill" for the new tiles.

Rufus V. Smith wrote:
We found some decent looking wood pattern Peel and Stick Tile (Vinyl,
I think) which
we thought would work over the cement floor in the basement. After a
little while
after applying (days or weeks) they started to peel and warp upwards.

It was very humid in the basement, could that have helped cause this
problem? We
put in a dehumidifier and I think I'll get one of those aquarium pumps
referred to in
other posts to automatically empty it, because I don't think my son
bothers to empty
it, and I don't get down there too often.

It seems to alleviate the problem somewhat, but I don't get down
there too often and
don't look too closely. Should I have put down a plywood layer over
the cement first,
then the tiles? I know this is better, but is it absolutely
necessary?

I've been told the glue on the self-adhesives is fine. Any comments
on that?

Rufus



If that moisture is coming up through the floor, no amount of
dehumidifying is going to fix the problem with the tile. You need to fix
the moisture problem first.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

Here is a product made for moisture problems. As Joseph said, you must
deal with the moisture transmission level for success.
http://www.leescarpets.com/Techservi...s/Everseal.pdf This
product was recently installed on a problem floor area, the new VCT has
been laid, no problems month #1, only time will tell.

My personal experience with self stick is very poor. I have talked with
many commercial floor installers - none I know will install self stick
without using their own glue.

The industry requires and suggests calcium chloride tests for vapor
transmission before flooring installations. This is a wide spread
problem brought on by tighter buildings, increased fresh air HVAC
requirements that can cause short cycling, faster building schedules,
and vapor barrier problems.

A dehumidifier may help, but cannot cure if the vapor transmission rate
of the floor is over 6 lbs./1000/day

--

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Keep the whole world singing. . .
Dan G
(remove the 7)


"Rufus V. Smith" wrote in message
...
We found some decent looking wood pattern Peel and Stick Tile (Vinyl,
I
think) which
we thought would work over the cement floor in the basement. After a
little
while
after applying (days or weeks) they started to peel and warp upwards.

It was very humid in the basement, could that have helped cause this
problem? We
put in a dehumidifier and I think I'll get one of those aquarium pumps
referred to in
other posts to automatically empty it, because I don't think my son
bothers
to empty
it, and I don't get down there too often.

It seems to alleviate the problem somewhat, but I don't get down there
too
often and
don't look too closely. Should I have put down a plywood layer over
the
cement first,
then the tiles? I know this is better, but is it absolutely
necessary?

I've been told the glue on the self-adhesives is fine. Any comments
on
that?

Rufus





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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 11:42:04 -0400, "Rufus V. Smith"
wrote:

We found some decent looking wood pattern Peel and Stick Tile (Vinyl, I
think) which
we thought would work over the cement floor in the basement. After a little
while
after applying (days or weeks) they started to peel and warp upwards.

That's not surprising, concrete is very porous and moisture seeps
through it quite readily. It would have been much better to put down
a wood underlayment or sealed the concrete before putting down the
tile.

Any experience with putting vinyl self-stick over existing asbestos tiles?
I would assume any moisture problems would be alleviated by the first layer
of tiles.



My personal experience with self stick is very poor. I have talked with
many commercial floor installers - none I know will install self stick
without using their own glue.

The industry requires and suggests calcium chloride tests for vapor
transmission before flooring installations. This is a wide spread
problem brought on by tighter buildings, increased fresh air HVAC
requirements that can cause short cycling, faster building schedules,
and vapor barrier problems.

A dehumidifier may help, but cannot cure if the vapor transmission rate
of the floor is over 6 lbs./1000/day