[Dove Tail]

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

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On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they are
charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt away
to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when the gun
charge might actually bring more time because of mandatory minimums.

[Dove Tail]

On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they are
charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt away
to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when the gun
charge might actually bring more time because of mandatory minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF should
be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who habitually
disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the nation
but, every little bit helps.

[trader_4]

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:51:38 PM UTC-4, Dove Tail wrote:
On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they are
charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt away
to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when the gun
charge might actually bring more time because of mandatory minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF should
be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who habitually
disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the nation
but, every little bit helps.

More importantly they should be tracking down the 100,000 felons who
applied to buy a gun and failed the federal check. They committed a
felony, but the federal govt has only prosecuted a few dozen. That
would immediately get a bunch of previous felons who tried to buy
guns off the street.

[[email protected]]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:51:35 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they are
charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt away
to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when the gun
charge might actually bring more time because of mandatory minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF should
be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who habitually
disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the nation
but, every little bit helps.

We being legal firearm owners and the NRA. Firearm dealers are buried
in regulation with very spotty enforcement but the results are dire if
you are caught. It is like OSHA violations, the IRS or just about any
other government program.
I also agree dealers are not the biggest part of the illegal gun
problem. Thieves are.
I will throw you a bone and admit a lot of gun owners are sloppy with
where and how they store their guns. Mine are locked up and you would
have to look pretty hard to even find the places where they are locked
up.

[[email protected]]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:33:30 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:51:38 PM UTC-4, Dove Tail wrote:
On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they are
charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt away
to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when the gun
charge might actually bring more time because of mandatory minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF should
be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who habitually
disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the nation
but, every little bit helps.

More importantly they should be tracking down the 100,000 felons who
applied to buy a gun and failed the federal check. They committed a
felony, but the federal govt has only prosecuted a few dozen. That
would immediately get a bunch of previous felons who tried to buy
guns off the street.

They don't want to do that or they would have to admit their database
is so corrupted with bad data that most of those denials are false
hits.

[Dove Tail]

On 6/4/2018 at 4:35:23 PM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:51:35 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they are
charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt
away to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when
the gun charge might actually bring more time because of mandatory
minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF
should be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who
habitually disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the nation
but, every little bit helps.

We being legal firearm owners and the NRA. Firearm dealers are buried
in regulation with very spotty enforcement but the results are dire if
you are caught. It is like OSHA violations, the IRS or just about any
other government program.
I also agree dealers are not the biggest part of the illegal gun
problem. Thieves are.
I will throw you a bone and admit a lot of gun owners are sloppy with
where and how they store their guns. Mine are locked up and you would
have to look pretty hard to even find the places where they are locked
up.

You are not throwing me a bone by telling the truth. As it is such a
rare event, I understand why you might consider it a treat for others.
;-)

Thieves are also small part of the overall gun problem. The majority
of the problem is the guns themselves. Too many that are too easy to
get, too easy to pass on to others and too easy to use to perpetrate
mass mayhem and murder.

[[email protected]]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:46:44 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 4:35:23 PM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:51:35 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they are
charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt
away to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when
the gun charge might actually bring more time because of mandatory
minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF
should be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who
habitually disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the nation
but, every little bit helps.

We being legal firearm owners and the NRA. Firearm dealers are buried
in regulation with very spotty enforcement but the results are dire if
you are caught. It is like OSHA violations, the IRS or just about any
other government program.
I also agree dealers are not the biggest part of the illegal gun
problem. Thieves are.
I will throw you a bone and admit a lot of gun owners are sloppy with
where and how they store their guns. Mine are locked up and you would
have to look pretty hard to even find the places where they are locked
up.

You are not throwing me a bone by telling the truth. As it is such a
rare event, I understand why you might consider it a treat for others.
;-)

Thieves are also small part of the overall gun problem. The majority
of the problem is the guns themselves. Too many that are too easy to
get, too easy to pass on to others and too easy to use to perpetrate
mass mayhem and murder.

There are 350-400 MILLION guns here and several thousand actually are
involved in a murder. That means most are peacefully being used by
legal owners.
Of those guns that do become involved in a murder most were stolen. In
fact the trail is so cold when recovered the cops don't even bother to
try to trace them.

[Dove Tail]

On 6/4/2018 at 7:41:39 PM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:46:44 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 4:35:23 PM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 20:51:35 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/4/2018 at 9:29:14 AM, wrote:


On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:09:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Time to crack down on the ATF and on gun dealers!

When Guns Are Sold Illegally, A.T.F. Is Lenient on Punishment

The New York Times http://tinyurl.com/y7onulz8

We have been saying that for years. ATF ignores the crimes they
are charged with enforcing.
The other thing that happens is gun charges typically get dealt
away to get a plea on the top count of the indictment, even when
the gun charge might actually bring more time because of
mandatory minimums.


I have no idea who "We" is but, OK. Glad you agree that the ATF
should be closing down gun dealers who sell guns illegally or who
habitually disregard other regulations.

It would be a small benefit to the overall gun problem in the
nation but, every little bit helps.

We being legal firearm owners and the NRA. Firearm dealers are
buried in regulation with very spotty enforcement but the results
are dire if you are caught. It is like OSHA violations, the IRS or
just about any other government program.
I also agree dealers are not the biggest part of the illegal gun
problem. Thieves are.
I will throw you a bone and admit a lot of gun owners are sloppy
with where and how they store their guns. Mine are locked up and
you would have to look pretty hard to even find the places where
they are locked up.

You are not throwing me a bone by telling the truth. As it is such
a rare event, I understand why you might consider it a treat for
others. ;-)

Thieves are also small part of the overall gun problem. The
majority of the problem is the guns themselves. Too many that are
too easy to get, too easy to pass on to others and too easy to use
to perpetrate mass mayhem and murder.

There are 350-400 MILLION guns here and several thousand actually are
involved in a murder. That means most are peacefully being used by
legal owners.
Of those guns that do become involved in a murder most were stolen. In
fact the trail is so cold when recovered the cops don't even bother to
try to trace them.

Have you never experience the paradigm of a minority changing something
for a majority? Most of our laws exist because of a minority who
behave irresponsibly. That is where our nation is at with regard to
firearms.

American society is no longer going to bear the burden of placating
gunstrokers. It is not going to happen immediately, but it is going to
happen. Each massacre moves us closer to the inevitable.

Until people like you come up with truly effective solutions instead of
inane distractions, the nation will continue to run towards the sound
of the guns so they can be silenced forever. The nation is not afraid
of the NRA or Gunstrokers, our constitutional system is far more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:21:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.

Bull**** lines like that were fine until Santa Fe.

[Dove Tail]

On 6/5/2018 at 8:22:07 AM, wrote:


On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:21:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.

Bull**** lines like that were fine until Santa Fe.


Care to elaborate? I am not sure what you are trying to say.

Here is the full comment again so you can review and express a complete
thought:

"Until people like you come up with truly effective solutions instead of
inane distractions, the nation will continue to run towards the sound
of the guns so they can be silenced forever. The nation is not afraid
of the NRA or Gunstrokers, our constitutional system is far more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines."

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:47:07 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 at 8:22:07 AM, wrote:


On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:21:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.

Bull**** lines like that were fine until Santa Fe.


Care to elaborate? I am not sure what you are trying to say.

The 2 guns in Santa Fe were not assault weapons or even semi autos and
both had "magazine capacities" far less than 10. In fact neither had
any detachable magazine at all.

[Dove Tail]

On 6/5/2018 at 10:14:29 AM, wrote:


On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:47:07 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 at 8:22:07 AM, wrote:


On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:21:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.

Bull**** lines like that were fine until Santa Fe.


Care to elaborate? I am not sure what you are trying to say.

The 2 guns in Santa Fe were not assault weapons or even semi autos and
both had "magazine capacities" far less than 10. In fact neither had
any detachable magazine at all.


Which has nothing to do with the overall point, I modified it for you
below. You insult your own intelligence when you resort to parsing non
pivotal words in the posts of other people.


"Until people like you come up with truly effective solutions instead of
inane distractions, the nation will continue to run towards the sound
of the guns so they can be silenced forever. The nation is not afraid
of the NRA or Gunstrokers, our constitutional system is far more
powerful than your firearm killing machines."

[None]

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:21:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

Until people like you come up with truly effective solutions instead of
inane distractions, the nation will continue to run towards the sound
of the guns so they can be silenced forever. The nation is not afraid
of the NRA or Gunstrokers, our constitutional system is far more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.

Well put!

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:24:34 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 at 10:14:29 AM, wrote:


On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:47:07 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

On 6/5/2018 at 8:22:07 AM, wrote:


On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:21:28 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
wrote:

more
powerful than your semi-automatic killing machines.

Bull**** lines like that were fine until Santa Fe.


Care to elaborate? I am not sure what you are trying to say.

The 2 guns in Santa Fe were not assault weapons or even semi autos and
both had "magazine capacities" far less than 10. In fact neither had
any detachable magazine at all.


Which has nothing to do with the overall point, I modified it for you
below. You insult your own intelligence when you resort to parsing non
pivotal words in the posts of other people.


"Until people like you come up with truly effective solutions instead of
inane distractions, the nation will continue to run towards the sound
of the guns so they can be silenced forever. The nation is not afraid
of the NRA or Gunstrokers, our constitutional system is far more
powerful than your firearm killing machines."

You left "semi automatic" out didn't you?

I understand you are at least honest that you want to ban guns
completely but that just makes you unrealistic. Even the most left
wing politician will not run on that.