Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.



--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.

On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:14:18 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it? The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on. Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.

On 2/12/2016 12:06 PM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.



It is a peeve of mine too. I figure it is just stupidity. Fortunately,
many cars now have automatic lights that overcome dumb drivers.

Last week I was on the highway on a dark, rainy, early morning. The
blind spot detection lit up. Since I was alone on the road I figured
the rain was giving a false reading. Nope, some idiot with no lights on
passed me.

philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this
morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

There are so many absent minded jerks.
One has to see and be seen on the road, specially dark colored cars.
Another one, signal flashing on and on without changing lane or turning.
Or not signalling at all. I can adjust auto light sensor sensitivity
if I need to on my car.

On 02/12/2016 11:25 AM, trader_4 wrote:



My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it? The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on. Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.




Yes, even with my lights in the "off" position there are still "running
lights". I don't know if there is anyway to turn them off completely

philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:25 AM, trader_4 wrote:



My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it? The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on. Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.




Yes, even with my lights in the "off" position there are still "running
lights". I don't know if there is anyway to turn them off completely

What about tail lights? There are still many older cars/trucks on the
road yet.

On 02/12/2016 11:38 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:




Yes, even with my lights in the "off" position there are still "running
lights". I don't know if there is anyway to turn them off completely

What about tail lights? There are still many older cars/trucks on the
road yet.


My car is more than ten years old, but yes, there are cars out there
much older. At one time cars did not last very long

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:25:21 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:14:18 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it?

It doesn't have to be "much of a problem" to still be a problem when
it occurs.

The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on.

I wonder if "vast majority" is true. I've got high-trim level 2006 Honda
Odyssey. Lot's of "fancy electronics" and features for the time. No day
time running lights or automatic headlights though. (I always drive with
my lights on , so I usually just leave them on since they go out by
themselves 30 seconds after I park.)

Since the average age of cars on the road these days is about 11.4 years (roughly where my Ody lands) is it safe to say that the "vast majority"
of cars on the road now have daytime running lights? I don't know...just
curious.

"Average age of automobiles: The R.L. Polk Co., Average Age of Vehicles on the Road Remains Steady at 11.4 years, According to IHS Automotive, available at http://press.ihs.com/news_releases/automotive as of May 26, 2015."

Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.

Agreed.

On 02/12/2016 11:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


It is a peeve of mine too. I figure it is just stupidity. Fortunately,
many cars now have automatic lights that overcome dumb drivers.

Last week I was on the highway on a dark, rainy, early morning. The
blind spot detection lit up. Since I was alone on the road I figured
the rain was giving a false reading. Nope, some idiot with no lights on
passed me.



Bigger pet peeve for me are pedestrians wearing all black and running
across the middle of the road at night, or bicyclists with no lights or
reflectors.

On 2/12/2016 11:30 AM, philo wrote:

Yes, even with my lights in the "off" position there are still "running
lights". I don't know if there is anyway to turn them off completely

The daylight running lights on my truck will turn off when the emergency
brake is set. If I want to turn them off I just push the emergency brake
pedal just far enough to turn off the lights but not enough to engage
the brakes.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:29:27 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:

philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this
morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

There are so many absent minded jerks.

That's what happens when idiots try to make the world so safe that nobody is at risk with anything.

I'm not saying let's kill all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort
itself out.

One has to see and be seen on the road, specially dark colored cars.
Another one, signal flashing on and on without changing lane or turning.
Or not signalling at all. I can adjust auto light sensor sensitivity
if I need to on my car.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 09:25:09 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote:

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:14:18 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it? The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on. Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.

Daytime running lights ore on by default. They can be turned off by request at the dealer. I imagine if the dealer can do it
the owner could as well if they investigated.

Per KenK:
Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

First thing I think of is people with much better night vision than I
have don't notice the lack of lights for awhile.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 2/12/2016 10:44 AM, philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


It is a peeve of mine too. I figure it is just stupidity. Fortunately,
many cars now have automatic lights that overcome dumb drivers.

Last week I was on the highway on a dark, rainy, early morning. The
blind spot detection lit up. Since I was alone on the road I figured
the rain was giving a false reading. Nope, some idiot with no lights on
passed me.

Bigger pet peeve for me are pedestrians wearing all black and running across
the middle of the road at night, or bicyclists with no lights or reflectors.

(sigh) We tend to have few/no street lights in much of the town.

Many "blocks" are very long. E.g., the crosswalks at the street
onto which ours connects are probably 0.25 mi apart. So, folks
really tend to avoid "crossing at the nearest crosswalk".

*And*, a population that seems to think that BLACK stands out well during
DAYLIGHT so it *must* stand out well at NIGHT, as well!

frown

As a result, we frequently have folks getting wacked by cars, in the
roadway. Another killed just the other day (hit by one car, thrown
into the opposite lane where hit by *another* car -- neither car
cited for excessive speed, etc.).

Lots of candidates for Darwin Awards!

On 12 Feb 2016 17:06:25 GMT, KenK wrote:


Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out?

I would guess the most likely reason is that they don't remember to
turn them on, don't feel the lack of them.

When I moved from the suburbs to the city, even in the middle of the
night there was enough light to drive by and quite a few times I
didn't turn my lights on. Because I didn't remember.

Less often as time went on, but this lasted a long time too, months or
maybe years. Maybe times I was particularly distracted when starting
the car.


Back in the suburbs again, I was so annoyed at people who didn't turn
their lights on when it was raining, I was going to write my state
reps. I didn't but they made it illegal anyhow. And then on a
rainy day, I would forget to do what I wanted them to make compulsory.

The current car has daytime running lights but I don't like the car or
the make.



Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.

Per Gordon Shumway:
I'm not saying let's kill all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort
itself out.

I like it....

On various prescription pills I get from the local pharmacy, I am
starting to see the admonition "Take by mouth..".

My kneejerk reaction is "What do they think I'm going to do, shove them
up my ass?"

Upon reflection I think there must be a lawyer/legal-action-based reason
for that admonition.... right up there with the "Do not dive into the
hot tub."


--
Pete Cresswell

On 2/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.



I've always thought that many people don't understand that sometimes the
purpose of turning on your lights is not so that you can see but so
others can see you.

KenK:

Their heads are obviously not
about driving. No lights, and
no blinkers are my biggest
peeves.

On 2/12/2016 11:20 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per KenK:
Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

First thing I think of is people with much better night vision than I
have don't notice the lack of lights for awhile.

I think it's just folks too absorbed in non-driving activities/thoughts
to THINK about what they *should* be doing!

Why does a car need to *remind* you to put on your seat belt?
Put car in park (if you turn off ignition before doing so)?
Release parking brake?
etc.

People have come to assume everything "does stuff" FOR them. So,
they have no role/responsibility in the activity beyond the obvious
(controlling the steering wheel!)

When looking at new cars, one of the salespeople commented about
how she no longer uses her mirrors but, instead, RELIES on the
blind spot detectors to tell her if she should NOT change lanes;
the "radar" to tell her when she's about to back into something;
etc.

"Hmmm... what roads do you drive -- so I know which ones to AVOID?!"

On 2/12/16 12:55 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
Daytime running lights ore on by default. They can be turned off by request at the dealer. I imagine if the dealer can do it
the owner could as well if they investigated.

On my Toyota RAV4 (2013), there is a position on the light switch
"below" the "DRL" position (daytime running lights) that turns ALL the
lights off.

No lights at all (just like the old days) ...

On 2/12/2016 11:38 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Gordon Shumway:
I'm not saying let's kill all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort
itself out.

I like it....

On various prescription pills I get from the local pharmacy, I am
starting to see the admonition "Take by mouth..".

My kneejerk reaction is "What do they think I'm going to do, shove them
up my ass?"

Upon reflection I think there must be a lawyer/legal-action-based reason
for that admonition.... right up there with the "Do not dive into the
hot tub."

Because people *do* stupid things!

Can you honestly say you've never used a screwdriver as a pry bar?
Makeshift chisel?

We have lots of clay in the soil. Coupled with the lack of
regular rainfall and organic material, the hardpan can be
almost like concrete!

Anyone who does any work in their yard has a "caliche bar".
This is just a heavy (mass is the key aspect!) metal bar with
a pointed or "chiseled" end (usually one or the other). You
essentially THROW it into the soil (letting the mass/inertia
do much of the work -- instead of trying to "press" it into
the soil) and break up the solid layers of clay (caliche).

For example:
http://www.lowes.com/creative-ideas/images/2014_04/RG-Common-Soils/soil-desert-2.jpg
mine has a wider blade that comes to a decent "cutting edge"
(so you can slice through the clay and lift it out of the hole
you are digging).

Neighbor came to borrow mine, one day: "Sure"! (heck, no need to
give INSTRUCTIONS for something this simple, right?)

Later, I hear metallic sounds from his back yard. Walk over to
see him using it to try to cut through (break) a cement footer!

"WTF?? Now you've dulled the edge! It's for cutting SOIL, not
CONCRETE/cement!"

frown

On 2/12/2016 1:57 PM, wrote:
KenK:

Their heads are obviously not
about driving. No lights, and
no blinkers are my biggest
peeves.


I find it puzzling. Many vehicles that must have cost $40,000 don't
appear to have turn signals.

On 2/12/2016 12:25 PM, trader_4 wrote:


That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it? The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on. Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.


Not yet in the US, It is in Canada. Still a lot of cars without, but
they have been gaining.

On 2/12/2016 11:29 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this
morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

There are so many absent minded jerks.
One has to see and be seen on the road, specially dark colored cars.
Another one, signal flashing on and on without changing lane or turning.
Or not signalling at all. I can adjust auto light sensor sensitivity
if I need to on my car.

My van has a beep that it sounds if for some reason I've put the lane
change signal on and forgot to turn it off. It doesn't allow me to go
very far before beeping, either.

--
Maggie

On 2/12/2016 11:30 AM, philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:25 AM, trader_4 wrote:



My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it? The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on. Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.




Yes, even with my lights in the "off" position there are still "running
lights". I don't know if there is anyway to turn them off completely

None of my van lights come on automatically.

--
Maggie

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:48:05 -0600, "Mr. Emann"
wrote:

On 2/12/2016 11:30 AM, philo wrote:

Yes, even with my lights in the "off" position there are still "running
lights". I don't know if there is anyway to turn them off completely

The daylight running lights on my truck will turn off when the emergency
brake is set. If I want to turn them off I just push the emergency brake
pedal just far enough to turn off the lights but not enough to engage
the brakes.

Yeah, I finally found out how to run the engine with the lights off,
as you say, in case I want to surveil my girlfriend on a cold night,

But what if I want to turn the lights on when the car is not running?
A 2000 Toyota. I still don't know how to do that?

On 2/12/2016 1:38 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Gordon Shumway:
I'm not saying let's kill all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort
itself out.

I like it....

On various prescription pills I get from the local pharmacy, I am
starting to see the admonition "Take by mouth..".

My kneejerk reaction is "What do they think I'm going to do, shove them
up my ass?"

Ah, yes, in some cases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectal_administration

On 2/12/2016 11:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:25:21 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:14:18 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything

This can't be much of a problem anymore, can it?

It doesn't have to be "much of a problem" to still be a problem when
it occurs.

The vast majority of
cars on the road now have daytime lights on, ie if the car is running
the lights are on.

I wonder if "vast majority" is true. I've got high-trim level 2006 Honda
Odyssey. Lot's of "fancy electronics" and features for the time. No day
time running lights or automatic headlights though. (I always drive with
my lights on , so I usually just leave them on since they go out by
themselves 30 seconds after I park.)

Since the average age of cars on the road these days is about 11.4 years (roughly where my Ody lands) is it safe to say that the "vast majority"
of cars on the road now have daytime running lights? I don't know...just
curious.

"Average age of automobiles: The R.L. Polk Co., Average Age of Vehicles on the Road Remains Steady at 11.4 years, According to IHS Automotive, available at http://press.ihs.com/news_releases/automotive as of May 26, 2015."

I don't really see many cars running with their lights on during the day
except newer cars where you don't have a choice.


Not sure if it's a law though.
Probably should be though.

Agreed.



--
Maggie

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 12:46:32 -0600, SeaNymph
wrote:

I've always thought that many people don't understand that sometimes the
purpose of turning on your lights is not so that you can see but so
others can see you.

In south Florida, Alligator Alley (now I-75) signs tell you to turn on
lights during the day. ~80 miles straight line. Sometimes you might
see a mirage

My bride stopped once mistakenly thinking the road ended, heat rising
from the road. It happens here in the desert.

On 2/12/2016 12:30 PM, philo wrote:


Yes, even with my lights in the "off" position there are still "running
lights". I don't know if there is anyway to turn them off completely


Depends on the car. I can turn them off but on many you cannot. Police
cars usually have that option too.

On 2/12/2016 12:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/12/2016 1:38 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Gordon Shumway:
I'm not saying let's kill all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's
remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort
itself out.

I like it....

On various prescription pills I get from the local pharmacy, I am
starting to see the admonition "Take by mouth..".

My kneejerk reaction is "What do they think I'm going to do, shove them
up my ass?"

Ah, yes, in some cases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rectal_administration

"Drops" can be administered to nose, eyes, ears *or* mouth...

On 2/12/2016 1:20 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per KenK:
Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

First thing I think of is people with much better night vision than I
have don't notice the lack of lights for awhile.


I think you are correct, but lights are not just to see. They are to be
seen. Most states require 30 minutes before sunset, 30 minutes after
sunrise, any time wipers are on.

On 2/12/2016 1:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/12/2016 1:20 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per KenK:
Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

First thing I think of is people with much better night vision than I
have don't notice the lack of lights for awhile.


I think you are correct, but lights are not just to see. They are to be
seen. Most states require 30 minutes before sunset, 30 minutes after
sunrise, any time wipers are on.

Any time wipers are on? hmmm About half the people on the road here
MIGHT turn on their lights if it's raining. I usually do it, though.

--
Maggie

(PeteCresswell) posted for all of us...



Per Gordon Shumway:
I'm not saying let's kill all the stupid people. I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort
itself out.

I like it....

On various prescription pills I get from the local pharmacy, I am
starting to see the admonition "Take by mouth..".

My kneejerk reaction is "What do they think I'm going to do, shove them
up my ass?"

If it's a suppository YES. Remember there are a lot of aholes out there and
the sharks are circling them, waiting.

Upon reflection I think there must be a lawyer/legal-action-based reason
for that admonition.... right up there with the "Do not dive into the
hot tub."

You got it!

--
Tekkie

Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us...



On 2/12/2016 12:06 PM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.



It is a peeve of mine too. I figure it is just stupidity. Fortunately,
many cars now have automatic lights that overcome dumb drivers.

Last week I was on the highway on a dark, rainy, early morning. The
blind spot detection lit up. Since I was alone on the road I figured
the rain was giving a false reading. Nope, some idiot with no lights on
passed me.

Is it my imagination that the color of the car is always silver or some
shade that matches with conditions at the time (fog, etc)?

--
Tekkie

Don Y posted for all of us...



On 2/12/2016 10:44 AM, philo wrote:
On 02/12/2016 11:26 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


It is a peeve of mine too. I figure it is just stupidity. Fortunately,
many cars now have automatic lights that overcome dumb drivers.

Last week I was on the highway on a dark, rainy, early morning. The
blind spot detection lit up. Since I was alone on the road I figured
the rain was giving a false reading. Nope, some idiot with no lights on
passed me.

Bigger pet peeve for me are pedestrians wearing all black and running across
the middle of the road at night, or bicyclists with no lights or reflectors.

(sigh) We tend to have few/no street lights in much of the town.

Many "blocks" are very long. E.g., the crosswalks at the street
onto which ours connects are probably 0.25 mi apart. So, folks
really tend to avoid "crossing at the nearest crosswalk".

*And*, a population that seems to think that BLACK stands out well during
DAYLIGHT so it *must* stand out well at NIGHT, as well!

frown

As a result, we frequently have folks getting wacked by cars, in the
roadway. Another killed just the other day (hit by one car, thrown
into the opposite lane where hit by *another* car -- neither car
cited for excessive speed, etc.).

Lots of candidates for Darwin Awards!

Go back and search for the discussion about jaywalkers being fined.
--
Tekkie

KenK posted for all of us...



Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.

Well, they there are a lot of idiots out there. That's why one practices
defensive driving.

You must have compassion for the people that were out knocking them back
last night and are 15 minutes late.

--
Tekkie

On 12 Feb 2016 17:06:25 GMT, KenK wrote:


Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.
In many cases either drunk or high.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:14:13 -0600, philo wrote:

On 02/12/2016 11:06 AM, KenK wrote:
Just about pulled out in front of a car with lights out early this morning.
Not even parking lights. A few seconds earlier...

Why do these people drive with lights out? Save gas - engine runs easier
without generating electricity for lights? Seems I've seen many more of
them in the past year for some reason.

Breeding more of them in your area too?

Sorry to bother you all. Had to vent somewhere.





My car is set to automatic and the lights go on and off as needed.

That said, if it's very dark, it's odd they don't notice that they can't
see anything
Police officer nephew and ex-cop brotherinlaw say drivers without
lights are WAY more likely than average to be impaired. Pull over an
unlit vehicle and way better than 50/50 you get a dui charge out of
it.