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motorscooter starts but will not run
motorscooter starts but will not run
Finally borrowed a battery and working on 50 cc motor scooter. It doesn't start right away -- kick starting would never work because of that -- but after maybe the 4th try at 10 to 15 seconds each, it starts, but then starts to slow down 10 seconds later. Sometimes stalls right then. Turning the accelerator sometimes makes it speed back up but then 10 seconds later it slows and stalls. What's the problem? A little bit of old gas but a gallon of new gas (which is about half a tank.) I'm not sure if ether helps or not. It certainly doesn't start right away when I use it. |
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On 11/26/2015 12:15 PM, Micky wrote:
A little bit of old gas but a gallon of new gas (which is about half a tank.) Old gas = gunked up carb |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:50:34 -0700, Ed wrote:
On 11/26/2015 12:15 PM, Micky wrote: A little bit of old gas but a gallon of new gas (which is about half a tank.) Old gas = gunked up carb +1 and add a clogged fuel filter = replace it. |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:14:29 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:50:34 -0700, Ed wrote: On 11/26/2015 12:15 PM, Micky wrote: A little bit of old gas but a gallon of new gas (which is about half a tank.) Old gas = gunked up carb +1 and add a clogged fuel filter = replace it. I think I remember reading that there was a fuel filter, but I haven't seen it. For some reason I started another thread, where I point out that it starts every 10 minutes, so I don't think it's a gunked up carb, but maybe it takes 10 minutes for 30 seconds of fuel to seep through the filter. It might run on ether too, but of course that either dissipates or gets burned up in about 15 seconds also. If I had someone to spray while it was running, I coudl see if it ran longer. I know it's bad for the engine, but another minute total won't hurt. I have to hold the brake so I can't spray too. If the engine runs fast enough, the, get this, automatic transmission puts it in drive so if I don't hold the brake, who knows where it would go? |
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Micky,
Get a gas can, disconnect the gas line at the carb, and let a quart run into the can. Does the gas flow out or is it running slow? Replace the fuel filter if it runs slow. Reattach the gas line. Ok, you've eliminated the old gas and the gas line/filter. Try and start it now. If the symptoms have not changed I'd suspect crud in the carb. What's the story behind this scooter? Dave M. |
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On 11/26/2015 03:20 PM, Micky wrote:
For some reason I started another thread, where I point out that it starts every 10 minutes, so I don't think it's a gunked up carb, but maybe it takes 10 minutes for 30 seconds of fuel to seep through the filter. It might run on ether too, but of course that either dissipates or gets burned up in about 15 seconds also. Pinched line? If you take the gas cap off will it run longer? If there's no way for the tank to breathe that could cut off flow. What kind of petcock does it have? I've got a manual on one bike and if I forget to turn it on I can get about 100 yards before the float bowl runs dry. Vacuum actuated petcocks can act up too or the vacuum line could be leaking. Is there a prime position? |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 17:53:06 -0500, "David L. Martel"
wrote: Micky, Get a gas can, disconnect the gas line at the carb, I tried to disconnect it there, and I got the thin spring wire "hose clamp" to move down the hose but couldnt' get the hose off. If I took off the electric choke (two phillips screws) I might have more access, not sure. All the pictures/diagrams are from the right side, and this is on the left. (182 page manual, 22 megs) and let a quart run into the can. No chance of getting even a little can in there. I was just going to spill some. Then I tried just below the fuel-pump-like-thing (well not really except it's in the middle of the fuel line, where a pump would be. I assume gravity is the major pump). They call it the control valve and it has a vacuum line on it. The line goes to the base of the carburetor, so I guess when there is vacuum there it either opens or closes the gasoline path, maybe. This might be broken. Got the gas hose clip moved and there was room to put in a screw driver, but didn't have one. Then I tried just above the control valve, moved the hose clip, and I did have a tool to get in there, but it didnt' budge yet. Hoses get stuck to the metal. Then I went on to something else. Does the gas flow out or is it running slow? Replace the fuel filter if it runs slow. The sell a filter for this engine, $5, but I don't think I saw it in there. Maybe it was just under the tank*** and if that's the case, any of those three places to disconnect will be good enough for testing. *** Tomorrow I'll use a mirror. If it's there, it seems more likely than the control valve. It's not mentioned in the manual. (using Adobe reader, for some reason Find doesn't work, at least with these manuals. It says it's searching 180 pages, but never finds words I know are there. Well I just changed to a word showing on the page I'm on, and it immediately said it wasn't found, it didn't even scan all the pages. Also can't highlight or copy from the long, repair manual **** but I can from the owners manual, though find doesn't work right there either. If I search for one word, then another, it says it can't find the second, unless I scroll in between. No Adobe Reader updates available. ****Under file/properties it says there is "password security" and I don't know the password, or even where to enter it. Reattach the gas line. Ok, you've eliminated the old gas and the gas line/filter. Try and start it now. If the symptoms have not changed I'd suspect crud in the carb. What's the story behind this scooter? Found it in the woods near my house. Called the police but he looked at it, saw all the damage I guess, and said he didn't want it. No reports of a missing scooter, he said. A neighbor said it had been there for 2 days. Plent of time to be reported. I told him to come back if he got a report. Well, what she said is that she'd seen two teenagers pushing it down the street in front of our houses. Why they didn't just leave it where they were, I can't guess. Maybe it's de rigeur to dump things in the woods. Although in 30 years there have only been this and 2 bicycles and one shopping cart. Dave M. |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:58:13 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/26/2015 03:20 PM, Micky wrote: For some reason I started another thread, where I point out that it starts every 10 minutes, so I don't think it's a gunked up carb, but maybe it takes 10 minutes for 30 seconds of fuel to seep through the filter. It might run on ether too, but of course that either dissipates or gets burned up in about 15 seconds also. Pinched line? If you take the gas cap off will it run longer? I tried that. No. If there's no way for the tank to breathe that could cut off flow. What kind of petcock does it have? I've got a manual on one bike and if I'm not sure it has any. It has something called a control valve, with gas in and out and a vacuum line from the base of the carburetor. ?? I forget to turn it on I can get about 100 yards before the float bowl runs dry. Vacuum actuated petcocks can act up too or the vacuum line Is that what the control valve is? could be leaking. I doubt it. The hoses all look in good condition. But there's a diaphragm inside, I presume. Maybe something's wrong there. I have to see if gas is coming through the filter -- there must be filter because it's in the maintenance schedule, even if there's no other mention in the repair or owners manual. And I have to see if gas is coming through the control valve. Tomorrow. Is there a prime position? No. Thanks, and thanks all. |
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On 11/26/2015 05:49 PM, Micky wrote:
I'm not sure it has any. It has something called a control valve, with gas in and out and a vacuum line from the base of the carburetor. ?? I forget to turn it on I can get about 100 yards before the float bowl runs dry. Vacuum actuated petcocks can act up too or the vacuum line Is that what the control valve is? Sounds like a vacuum operated petcock. A potential problem with gravity feed fuel systems is a leaking float needle in the carburetor itself or a stuck float. The float bowl fills and the gasoline starts to run out of the carb. Worst case, it fills the cylinder and/or crankcase with gasoline. Traditionally there was just a manually operated valve on the bottom of the tank, with on, off, and maybe reserve. Reserve just uncovered a lower hole in the tube inside the tank. When you started sputtering in the normal position you switched to reserve and might get a half gallon or so additional fuel. Of course, if you reached down and found you were already on reserve you started walking. Like everything else, that was too complicated for people, so they went to a vacuum operated valve, with a hose going to the carb for the vacuum. Those generally still have a three way lever, on, off, and prime. Prime manually opens the valve in case there's a problem with the vacuum operator. |
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On 11/26/2015 05:16 PM, Micky wrote:
The sell a filter for this engine, $5, but I don't think I saw it in there. Maybe it was just under the tank*** and if that's the case, any of those three places to disconnect will be good enough for testing. With my Sportster, the filter is in the tank itself. You remove the fitting and the whole assembly comes out. Of course, being in the bottom of the tank means you wait until the tank is less than half full, remove it, and prop it up on its side. Or, if you're not too mechanically savvy you remove the fitting in place and pour a couple of gallons of unleaded down your leg. Adds character to your jeans like in the old ZZ Top song. |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:14:26 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/26/2015 05:16 PM, Micky wrote: The sell a filter for this engine, $5, but I don't think I saw it in there. Maybe it was just under the tank*** and if that's the case, any of those three places to disconnect will be good enough for testing. With my Sportster, the filter is in the tank itself. You remove the fitting and the whole assembly comes out. Of course, being in the bottom of the tank means you wait until the tank is less than half full, remove it, and prop it up on its side. Or, if you're not too mechanically savvy you remove the fitting in place and pour a couple of gallons of unleaded down your leg. Adds character to your jeans like in the old ZZ Top song. Every time I take the nozzle out of my oil furnace, I pour the oil that's in the tube connected to the nozzle onto the floor, or my shoe. Except the last time. After 15 or 20 times, I finally remembered not to do that. So I have 14 times to go before i get the scooter gas tank right. I'm glad you posted. If that's where it is, I wouuldn't have found it. |
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motorscooter starts but will not run
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 14:15:07 -0500, Micky
wrote: motorscooter starts but will not run Finally borrowed a battery and working on 50 cc motor scooter. It doesn't start right away -- kick starting would never work because of that -- but after maybe the 4th try at 10 to 15 seconds each, it starts, but then starts to slow down 10 seconds later. Sometimes stalls right then. Turning the accelerator sometimes makes it speed back up but then 10 seconds later it slows and stalls. What's the problem? A little bit of old gas but a gallon of new gas (which is about half a tank.) I'm not sure if ether helps or not. It certainly doesn't start right away when I use it. What kind of scooter? 4 stroke or 2? |
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On 11/26/2015 06:35 PM, Micky wrote:
I'm glad you posted. If that's where it is, I wouuldn't have found it. What kind of scooter is it? There should be some service information online. Unless it's a Chung King Lightning Bolt or one of those other cheap Chinese scoots. They are creative. One of them was called something like Fubar 800. The displacement was around 50cc but the crankcase held 800cc's of oil. |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:11:07 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/26/2015 06:35 PM, Micky wrote: I'm glad you posted. If that's where it is, I wouuldn't have found it. What kind of scooter is it? There should be some service information online. Unless it's a Chung King Lightning Bolt or one of those other cheap Chinese scoots. It is, but they too have documentation. They are creative. One of them was called something like Fubar 800. The displacement was around 50cc but the crankcase held 800cc's of oil. That's right. Low actually. 50cc's and 1 liter of oil. The piston is only 1.33 inches and the stroke is 1.63 inches. (and I see it has the factory-specified plug, and I measure the gap and it was just right.) It's a Tautau 50cc ATM50-A1. People won't find more documentation on-line than I have, I was pretty diligent and I found plenty. I have dl'd the owner's manual, 40 pages, and the generic service manual, 180 pages (including the wiring schematic which almost? exactly matches the scooter), and some other manuals for similar scooters, GY6 and Panterra, but none of them show the gas filter. They list it in the mainenance schedule, though, so I figured there was one. **Some other models are 49.5cc. I think there are some laws that apply to bikes 50cc and above, so they made those less. I also have the GY6 troubleshooting guide, which I had forgotten to look at (I actually avoided looking at it until today, but today I'm willing to look.) The closest it has is for Low Engine RPM, for which it lists: Air filter blocked Fuel choke Fuel tank cap air bleeder blocked -- so it really could have been the cap after all, but it's not. Exhaust pipe blocked Auto choke bad Carburetor diaphragm Automatic oil cup bad. Like most troubleshooting charts it doesn't list everything that could be the problem. Plus I joined a scooter web list, but I hate web lists, and it's only worth asking there about things that are too obscure for the people here to know. Like where can you get body parts for this model. ..... It has an overhead cam engine! But a maximum speed of 30, iirc. And get this, they say it's a hemi!! |
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Micky,
Have you looked at YouTube, lots of repair videos? Are you using high octane fuel? This scooter does not have a fuel pump. It does have a fuel regulator. What you've been describing may be a vacuum leak somewhere. Dave M. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 00:57:45 -0500, Micky
wrote: On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 22:11:07 -0700, rbowman wrote: On 11/26/2015 06:35 PM, Micky wrote: I'm glad you posted. If that's where it is, I wouuldn't have found it. What kind of scooter is it? There should be some service information online. Unless it's a Chung King Lightning Bolt or one of those other cheap Chinese scoots. It is, but they too have documentation. They are creative. One of them was called something like Fubar 800. The displacement was around 50cc but the crankcase held 800cc's of oil. That's right. Low actually. 50cc's and 1 liter of oil. The piston is only 1.33 inches and the stroke is 1.63 inches. (and I see it has the factory-specified plug, and I measure the gap and it was just right.) It's a Tautau 50cc ATM50-A1. People won't find more documentation on-line than I have, I was pretty diligent and I found plenty. I have dl'd the owner's manual, 40 pages, and the generic service manual, 180 pages (including the wiring schematic which almost? exactly matches the scooter), and some other manuals for similar scooters, GY6 and Panterra, but none of them show the gas filter. They list it in the mainenance schedule, though, so I figured there was one. **Some other models are 49.5cc. I think there are some laws that apply to bikes 50cc and above, so they made those less. I also have the GY6 troubleshooting guide, which I had forgotten to look at (I actually avoided looking at it until today, but today I'm willing to look.) The closest it has is for Low Engine RPM, for which it lists: Air filter blocked Fuel choke Fuel tank cap air bleeder blocked -- so it really could have been the cap after all, but it's not. Exhaust pipe blocked Auto choke bad Carburetor diaphragm Automatic oil cup bad. Like most troubleshooting charts it doesn't list everything that could be the problem. Plus I joined a scooter web list, but I hate web lists, and it's only worth asking there about things that are too obscure for the people here to know. Like where can you get body parts for this model. .... It has an overhead cam engine! But a maximum speed of 30, iirc. And get this, they say it's a hemi!! First thing to do is eliminate the vacuum operated fuel petcock. Take the block out of the fuel line and join the lines with an inline splice or a manyal huel shutoff. Plug the vac line. See if it runs then. From your description - a 4 stroke 50cc scooter, that is the most likely problem - followed by a junked up carb. Removong thr float bowl and checking for "greenies" and other crap would tell you if that is the problem - but because it actually runs for a short time, I'd put that well down the probability scale from the fuel shutoff block. |
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On 11/26/2015 10:57 PM, Micky wrote:
**Some other models are 49.5cc. I think there are some laws that apply to bikes 50cc and above, so they made those less. Yeah, generally license and registration laws. .... It has an overhead cam engine! But a maximum speed of 30, iirc. And get this, they say it's a hemi!! Sure, why not. OHC implies it's a four stroke. A lot of the 50cc class are two stroke since you can get about twice the power even if you are trailing a blue cloud of smoke. The 49.9cc may also work for the two stroke bans. |
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On 11/27/2015 09:21 AM, Micky wrote:
Tautau ATM50-A1 50cc 4-stroke. I'm hoping if I get it fixed the ATM will work and I can get my money back. Cute: http://www.amazon.com/Street-Legal-S.../dp/B00J4TXA5U But, dammit, there's no Black Friday deal and it isn't covered by Prime 2-day shipping... People seem happy with it though several mention premium gas is recommended. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:34:24 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/26/2015 10:57 PM, Micky wrote: **Some other models are 49.5cc. I think there are some laws that apply to bikes 50cc and above, so they made those less. Yeah, generally license and registration laws. .... It has an overhead cam engine! But a maximum speed of 30, iirc. And get this, they say it's a hemi!! Sure, why not. Because they used to say that milling a hemi took so much time and money that only expensive auto engines had them? No? OHC implies it's a four stroke. Definitely 4-stroke. A lot of the 50cc class are two stroke since you can get about twice the power even if you are trailing a blue cloud of smoke. The 49.9cc may also work for the two stroke bans. |
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:40:26 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/27/2015 09:21 AM, Micky wrote: Tautau ATM50-A1 50cc 4-stroke. I'm hoping if I get it fixed the ATM will work and I can get my money back. Cute: http://www.amazon.com/Street-Legal-S.../dp/B00J4TXA5U But, dammit, there's no Black Friday deal and it isn't covered by Prime 2-day shipping... People seem happy with it though several mention premium gas is recommended. IIRC, it's compression ratio is pretty high, yes 10.5:1. I guess that means it needs premium. Interesting reviews. Someone said he lived on a really large cul-de-sac and the 18-wheeler had room to come in. How big do cul-de-sacs get? And this one: "The scooter is all put together and now it won't start. It sounds like it wants to but just will not turn over." If it doesn't turn over, it won't make any noise at all. A lot of people misunderstand what turn over means. And it reminded me, earlier tonight I looked into taking apart and cleaning the carburetor, if you guys tell me I have to, from the milky gasoline. But even the warm days have only 5 hours of warmth, and I have no garage, and even my work bench is full of stuff. But I can get a whole new carburetor, it seems, for $11. Well, wrong about that. One page says how to measure the diameter. I think my intake and output diam. are the same. Darn, this one is $22. Even this one doesn't look exactly like mine. This one is $11, but it's somehow for 2-stroke and doesn't look like what's on there now. I have to re-adjust my thinking. |
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On 11/28/2015 05:49 AM, Micky wrote:
And this one: "The scooter is all put together and now it won't start. It sounds like it wants to but just will not turn over." If it doesn't turn over, it won't make any noise at all. A lot of people misunderstand what turn over means. Sort of like the subject of this thread "motorscooter starts but will not run". WTF? If the motor starts, it runs. It may not run very long but it does run. |
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 08:29:51 -0500, Bud Doobie
wrote: On 11/28/2015 05:49 AM, Micky wrote: And this one: "The scooter is all put together and now it won't start. It sounds like it wants to but just will not turn over." If it doesn't turn over, it won't make any noise at all. A lot of people misunderstand what turn over means. Sort of like the subject of this thread "motorscooter starts but will not run". WTF? If the motor starts, it runs. It may not run very long but it does run. You have a point, but I think his is worse. Hey, I put "will not run" in the future tense. I was referring to tomorrow. I know you guys a Ganja University, School of Syntax and Spelling take this stuff seriously. I"ll try to do better. |
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:08:45 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/26/2015 05:49 PM, Micky wrote: I'm not sure it has any. It has something called a control valve, with gas in and out and a vacuum line from the base of the carburetor. ?? I forget to turn it on I can get about 100 yards before the float bowl runs dry. Vacuum actuated petcocks can act up too or the vacuum line Is that what the control valve is? Sounds like a vacuum operated petcock. A potential problem with gravity feed fuel systems is a leaking float needle in the carburetor itself or a stuck float. The float bowl fills and the gasoline starts to run out of the carb. Worst case, it fills the cylinder and/or crankcase with gasoline. Traditionally there was just a manually operated valve on the bottom of the tank, with on, off, and maybe reserve. Reserve just uncovered a lower hole in the tube inside the tank. When you started sputtering in the normal position you switched to reserve and might get a half gallon or so additional fuel. Of course, if you reached down and found you were already on reserve you started walking. Like everything else, that was too complicated for people, so they went to a vacuum operated valve, with a hose going to the carb for the vacuum. Those generally still have a three way lever, on, off, and prime. Prime manually opens the valve in case there's a problem with the vacuum operator. This one has no manual setting, but I read that when you first get the scooter from the freight company, I think you're supposed to suck on the hose to get the gas to the carburetor. I considered putting on the old-style manual petcock, which now that you mentioned it, I remember seeing on at least one bike long ago, but there's no good place to mount it without lengthening the hoses a lot, perhaps making the gas run uphill part of the way, and trying to mount it. on the curved, flimsy, plastic body parts. (Also I don't know yet that this part is the problem.) |
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On 11/28/2015 12:09 AM, Micky wrote:
Is it possible to spray in too much ether. You certainly can have fun... I was starting a Yamaha one spring after a long winter and feeding in ether liberally. It took a while to fire, meanwhile filling the exhaust with ether fumes. When it all went off the neighbor came running over to see what I'd shot. |
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On 11/28/2015 03:49 AM, Micky wrote:
Interesting reviews. Someone said he lived on a really large cul-de-sac and the 18-wheeler had room to come in. How big do cul-de-sacs get? Big enough... Long story but when I was driving an 18 wheeler I had to deliver one sofa to a private party who lived in a rural area north of Boise. Dragged it in, took the plastic off, watched the family flop on it, all of which wasn't the normal procedure. Then I asked them how to get out, since it was a narrow dirt road. They told me to go down about a quarter mile and there was a cul de sac where I could turn the rig around. They said the neighbor had a mailbox that might be in the way but it was okay if I ran over it since they didn't like the prick anyway. I left the mailbox standing, which is remarkable considering some of the things I destroyed horsing around a 53' trailer. |
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:45:55 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/28/2015 12:09 AM, Micky wrote: Is it possible to spray in too much ether. You certainly can have fun... I was starting a Yamaha one spring after a long winter and feeding in ether liberally. It took a while to fire, meanwhile filling the exhaust with ether fumes. When it all went off the neighbor came running over to see what I'd shot. I meant too much so the engine which would otherwise run, woudln't. But I like your story. |
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 13:51:10 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/28/2015 03:49 AM, Micky wrote: Interesting reviews. Someone said he lived on a really large cul-de-sac and the 18-wheeler had room to come in. How big do cul-de-sacs get? Big enough... Long story but when I was driving an 18 wheeler I had to deliver one sofa to a private party who lived in a rural area north of Boise. Dragged it in, took the plastic off, watched the family flop on it, all of which wasn't the normal procedure. Then I asked them how to get out, since it was a narrow dirt road. They told me to go down about a quarter mile and there was a cul de sac where I could turn the rig around. They said the neighbor had a mailbox that might be in the way but it was okay if I ran over it since they didn't like the prick anyway. I left the mailbox standing, which is remarkable considering some of the things I destroyed horsing around a 53' trailer. LOL. What would you have done if there was no place like the culdsac? |
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On 11/29/2015 01:22 AM, Micky wrote:
I meant too much so the engine which would otherwise run, woudln't. I suppose if you really hosed it down but I've only used few second bursts. |
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On 11/29/2015 01:24 AM, Micky wrote:
LOL. What would you have done if there was no place like the culdsac? Shot the guy and buried him in the back yard? It would have been a long way to back out. Further off topic, I went up to a little alpine lake one spring on the bike. There was a campground and a road all way but I hit drifted snow about half a mile from the end. I parked the bike and walked the rest of the way. When I came out, I noticed fresh tire tracks in the snow where I'd parked the bike that made it about 25 yards into the drift. Trying to break through drifts is sort of a spring time sport around here so I didn't think much of it. Then I looked down the road and saw a pickup towing a camp trailer slowly backing down. This is a steep, one lane, not very good forest road with about a 500' drop off on one side. I had just about enough room to squeeze by on the bike. The guy said 'This is the stupidest thing I've ever done.' and I had to agree. He had about a half mile to go before there was a place wide enough to turn around and the sun was going down. There wasn't anything I could do to help so I continued on. |
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On 11/29/2015 1:29 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/29/2015 01:24 AM, Micky wrote: LOL. What would you have done if there was no place like the culdsac? Shot the guy and buried him in the back yard? It would have been a long way to back out. Further off topic, I went up to a little alpine lake one spring on the bike. There was a campground and a road all way but I hit drifted snow about half a mile from the end. I parked the bike and walked the rest of the way. When I came out, I noticed fresh tire tracks in the snow where I'd parked the bike that made it about 25 yards into the drift. Trying to break through drifts is sort of a spring time sport around here so I didn't think much of it. Then I looked down the road and saw a pickup towing a camp trailer slowly backing down. This is a steep, one lane, not very good forest road with about a 500' drop off on one side. I had just about enough room to squeeze by on the bike. The guy said 'This is the stupidest thing I've ever done.' and I had to agree. He had about a half mile to go before there was a place wide enough to turn around and the sun was going down. There wasn't anything I could do to help so I continued on. Years ago I visited some friends in Trona, CA. They decided one day to take me "off-roading" up a mountain nearby. At first it was just rough road going uphill winding in all sorts of directions, but then the road got rather narrow and a look off to one side looked like a million mile drop off to someone like me who'd never gone off-roading up the side of a mountain like that. I kept covering my eyes and mumbling "WE'RE gona DIE!!!" The friends who took me on the ride thought I was pretty funny, but at the time I didn't think it was funny at all. They hadn't given me any warning about where we were going. When we finally got to a plateau where there was a big enough place for the caravan we were in to pull up next to each other it turned out to be this large sand dune that was half way up this mountain. When we got out to take a look the view was like nothing I'd EVER seen before. I could see this dry lake bed below us and it looked like we were on top of the world. Of course, my friends had made the trip so many times they knew every turn, dip, and danger spot, but for me although it scared the life out of me I can honestly say it was the most memorable site I've ever seen or been to. After we came down from that mountain, we drove a ways to another popular site where there were these sand dunes, I think it was Death Valley. We got out and walked a ways on the dunes, and took photos. It was amazing how far distances actually were compared to what our brains thought was just a few miles... it was actually more like 20 miles. -- Maggie |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:17:23 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/29/2015 01:22 AM, Micky wrote: I meant too much so the engine which would otherwise run, woudln't. I suppose if you really hosed it down but I've only used few second bursts. It does not take a lot of ether starting fluid to damage an engine, large or small. Too much can take out head gaskets, crack pistons, or cause any number of other serious problems on an engine. The stuff is highly "explosive" Too much will also wash oil off cyl walls - but that's WAY too much. |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:29:22 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/29/2015 01:24 AM, Micky wrote: LOL. What would you have done if there was no place like the culdsac? Shot the guy and buried him in the back yard? It would have been a long way to back out. Further off topic, I went up to a little alpine lake one spring on the bike. There was a campground and a road all way but I hit drifted snow about half a mile from the end. I parked the bike and walked the rest of the way. When I came out, I noticed fresh tire tracks in the snow where I'd parked the bike that made it about 25 yards into the drift. Trying to break through drifts is sort of a spring time sport around here so I didn't think much of it. Then I looked down the road and saw a pickup towing a camp trailer slowly backing down. This is a steep, one lane, not very good forest road with about a 500' drop off on one side. I had just about enough room to squeeze by on the bike. The guy said 'This is the stupidest thing I've ever done.' and I had to agree. He had about a half mile to go before there was a place wide enough to turn around and the sun was going down. There wasn't anything I could do to help so I continued on. Wow. On the one time I had a trailer and headed down a dead end street , I stopped when I was still partly in the intersection and it still took me 10 minutes to back up 8 feet so I could go the other way. Backing a half mile with a trailer, my gosh. Could he have disonnected the trailer, turned it and the car around and reconnected? Assuming he could lift the tongue. I know trailers can be very heavy. |
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On 11/29/2015 12:58 PM, Muggles wrote:
I kept covering my eyes and mumbling "WE'RE gona DIE!!!" The friends who took me on the ride thought I was pretty funny, but at the time I didn't think it was funny at all. Blue Mountain is a popular recreation area on the south side of town. There's a road to the top where the U has a little observatory and the FS has a fire tower. It really isn't that bad a road compared to a lot others around here, but someone manages to kill themselves every couple of years. http://missoulian.com/news/local/kil...d03340582.html http://tinyurl.com/ot3owf6 Yesterday I was hiking on one of my favorite loops and I decided to take a little detour to look for a roadside attraction. Either I was on the wrong slope or they finally extracted it but there has been a Subaru Forester about 50' down from the road on a slope that required scrambling to get up. The car was perfectly vertical, standing on its nose propped up against the big ponderosa pine that stopped it from going any further. There was still some junk in it including a baby carrier. I don't recall reading about a fatality but it must have been one hell of a ride when they missed the corner. I've got to admit that on the bike there are places where I hug the uphill side of the road, turn on my tunnel vision, and try not to think what's on the other side of the narrow, rocky road. Bouncing over big rocks on a dirt bike, you don't always go quite where you intended and I prefer to be as far from the edge as possible. |
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motorscooter starts but will not run
On 11/29/2015 03:18 PM, Micky wrote:
Could he have disonnected the trailer, turned it and the car around and reconnected? Assuming he could lift the tongue. I know trailers can be very heavy. Not a prayer. The road was only about 8 feet wide, steep uphill slope on the left, steeper downhill slope to the right. The logging roads are nothing fancy, just enough of a cut to get a truck through. When they're logging the truckers have CB's so one can wait at a pull off like a train on a siding. 20-20 hindsight he should have dropped the trailer and seen if he could make it through with the pickup. But, June down it the valley, birds chirping, and all that good stuff, you don't really plan to be stopped by snow drifts. |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:50:03 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/29/2015 03:18 PM, Micky wrote: Could he have disonnected the trailer, turned it and the car around and reconnected? Assuming he could lift the tongue. I know trailers can be very heavy. Not a prayer. The road was only about 8 feet wide, steep uphill slope on the left, steeper downhill slope to the right. The logging roads are nothing fancy, just enough of a cut to get a truck through. When they're logging the truckers have CB's so one can wait at a pull off like a train on a siding. 20-20 hindsight he should have dropped the trailer and seen if he could make it through with the pickup. But, June down it the valley, birds chirping, and all that good stuff, you don't really plan to be stopped by snow drifts. I can see that. |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:39:26 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/29/2015 12:58 PM, Muggles wrote: I kept covering my eyes and mumbling "WE'RE gona DIE!!!" The friends who took me on the ride thought I was pretty funny, but at the time I didn't think it was funny at all. Blue Mountain is a popular recreation area on the south side of town. There's a road to the top where the U has a little observatory and the FS has a fire tower. It really isn't that bad a road compared to a lot others around here, but someone manages to kill themselves every couple of years. http://missoulian.com/news/local/kil...d03340582.html http://tinyurl.com/ot3owf6 Yesterday I was hiking on one of my favorite loops and I decided to take a little detour to look for a roadside attraction. Either I was on the wrong slope or they finally extracted it but there has been a Subaru Forester about 50' down from the road on a slope that required scrambling to get up. The car was perfectly vertical, standing on its nose propped up against the big ponderosa pine that stopped it from going any further. There was still some junk in it including a baby carrier. I don't recall reading about a fatality but it must have been one hell of a ride when they missed the corner. I've got to admit that on the bike there are places where I hug the uphill side of the road, turn on my tunnel vision, and try not to think what's on the other side of the narrow, rocky road. Bouncing over big rocks on a dirt bike, you don't always go quite where you intended and I prefer to be as far from the edge as possible. About a month ago Inside Edition had some guy on bicycle miss a turn in the mountains and go over a cliff, 30 or 50 feet down. He wasn't hurt badly, somehow, but that's because Inside Edition avoids showing clips with unhappy endings. There are probably others that don't end so well. |
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On 11/29/2015 9:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/29/2015 12:58 PM, Muggles wrote: I kept covering my eyes and mumbling "WE'RE gona DIE!!!" The friends who took me on the ride thought I was pretty funny, but at the time I didn't think it was funny at all. Blue Mountain is a popular recreation area on the south side of town. There's a road to the top where the U has a little observatory and the FS has a fire tower. It really isn't that bad a road compared to a lot others around here, but someone manages to kill themselves every couple of years. http://missoulian.com/news/local/kil...d03340582.html http://tinyurl.com/ot3owf6 Not sure why, but the story text is greyed out for me. I can't read it. Yesterday I was hiking on one of my favorite loops and I decided to take a little detour to look for a roadside attraction. Either I was on the wrong slope or they finally extracted it but there has been a Subaru Forester about 50' down from the road on a slope that required scrambling to get up. The car was perfectly vertical, standing on its nose propped up against the big ponderosa pine that stopped it from going any further. There was still some junk in it including a baby carrier. I don't recall reading about a fatality but it must have been one hell of a ride when they missed the corner. I've got to admit that on the bike there are places where I hug the uphill side of the road, turn on my tunnel vision, and try not to think what's on the other side of the narrow, rocky road. Bouncing over big rocks on a dirt bike, you don't always go quite where you intended and I prefer to be as far from the edge as possible. Here are 2 pics of the trip up the mountain: This one is at the bottom looking up at the destination. You can see the plateau dune up a ways. The road veers off and hits some narrow stretches on the edge of the mountain before we can actually reach the plateau. http://i67.tinypic.com/vfyw7p.jpg This is a shot looking down from the dune. We can see the dry lake bed and the chemical plant there that processes the underground water for the minerals there. http://i68.tinypic.com/kbbwvq.jpg -- Maggie |
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