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How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this
house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 18:55:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Are you saying you need to fix the sprayer head or the faucet? A local hardware store should have a replacement sprayer head to fit the hose. Easy fix.The sprayer head may have just a bad O-ring. I can't see it from here, though. |
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Well, I own a small apartment block with 21 kitchen sink faucets in it. I replaced them a good 20+ years ago, and most of them are still in service.
So, if you want a number, I'd say the mean lifespan of a quality kitchen sink faucet would be about 30 years. What greatly affects the lifespan of the faucet is the hardness of your water. If you have hard water, then scale accumulates on the working parts of the faucet and makes the faucet malfunction. That may very well be why your sprayer stopped working. If you live in a major city, you SHOULD HAVE soft water and that shouldn't be a problem. But, if you get your water from a well on your property, all bets are off. |
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On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. Hi, I still don't get it. Is it faucet or spray head and hose(repelacement kit available at HW stores) I had one problem with diverter valve for the spray head which was cheap plastic. I replaced it with bronze piece, no more problem since. |
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"Julie Bove" writes:
How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Faucets come in a range of prices and quality. You can pay a lot more than $250 on just the faucet. Hoses and spray heads don't last as long as the faucet body and controls. 14 years and I recently replaced the stainless steel clad hose. Really a very simple job if you can screw and unscrew things. The part cost $45. The sprayer is due for replacement soon, I get dripping out of the spray nozzles without the button being depressed. The sprayer head is simple to replace too. The part cost for that is $87. -- Dan Espen |
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"Oren" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 18:55:00 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Are you saying you need to fix the sprayer head or the faucet? I just want a whole new thing. The faucet is leaking as well. A local hardware store should have a replacement sprayer head to fit the hose. Easy fix.The sprayer head may have just a bad O-ring. I can't see it from here, though. Could be but I have had nothing but trouble with it. The hose to the sprayer also keeps getting caught on the plumbing below and that's a pain. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Soft water so no sediment. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. In looking at online reviews, Delta isn't good. I have no clue what brand this is. I can't see a brand on it anywhere. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. Yes but there are other issues and I don't know anyone who is handy. |
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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. Hi, I still don't get it. Is it faucet or spray head and hose(repelacement kit available at HW stores) I had one problem with diverter valve for the spray head which was cheap plastic. I replaced it with bronze piece, no more problem since. The whole thing is crap. The faucet started dripping almost right away. And now it also leaks at the handle. It is a single handle. I just want something better. |
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"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" writes: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Faucets come in a range of prices and quality. You can pay a lot more than $250 on just the faucet. Hoses and spray heads don't last as long as the faucet body and controls. 14 years and I recently replaced the stainless steel clad hose. Really a very simple job if you can screw and unscrew things. The part cost $45. The sprayer is due for replacement soon, I get dripping out of the spray nozzles without the button being depressed. The sprayer head is simple to replace too. The part cost for that is $87. I looked online at Lowes and Home Depot. Lowes is closer so I suspect that is where Mr. Handyman will go. That is where he has gone for other things. This is not what I have but seems to have the best review for this type of setup. http://www.lowes.com/pd_297441-866-C...ray&facetInfo= What I have, has the solid piece of metal with the hose attached to it, and the single handle. I presume this is what I would have to replace it with. There are not a lot of options. To get something else I would likely have to replace the sink and I don't really need a new sink. |
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http://www.lowes.com/pd_297441-866-C...ray&facetInfo= What I have, has the solid piece of metal with the hose attached to it, and the single handle. I presume this is what I would have to replace it with. There are not a lot of options. To get something else I would likely have to replace the sink and I don't really need a new sink. Your sink has at least three, maybe four holes. Two holes are for hot & cold water, one for the faucet itself; a fourth is for a separate (non-pull down) sprayer. You could use any faucet; if it has a pull down sprayer, there are plugs for the extraneous hole if the faucet body doesn't cover it. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Mine have lasted less than 10 years and they were all Moens. Kitchen faucet is probably most used one in the house. I had replaced a couple myself in my younger years but now with bifocals and stiff neck use a plumber and your charge seems about right. |
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On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:44:40 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" writes: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Faucets come in a range of prices and quality. You can pay a lot more than $250 on just the faucet. Hoses and spray heads don't last as long as the faucet body and controls. 14 years and I recently replaced the stainless steel clad hose. Really a very simple job if you can screw and unscrew things. The part cost $45. The sprayer is due for replacement soon, I get dripping out of the spray nozzles without the button being depressed. The sprayer head is simple to replace too. The part cost for that is $87. I looked online at Lowes and Home Depot. Lowes is closer so I suspect that is where Mr. Handyman will go. That is where he has gone for other things. Why would you let wherever the handyman shops determine which faucet you get? You should be able to buy a faucet anywhere and have him install it. This is not what I have but seems to have the best review for this type of setup. http://www.lowes.com/pd_297441-866-C...ray&facetInfo= What I have, has the solid piece of metal with the hose attached to it, and the single handle. I presume this is what I would have to replace it with. There are not a lot of options. To get something else I would likely have to replace the sink and I don't really need a new sink. Sinks come in standard hole configurations. Apparently you have a 3 hole sink. There should be a huge number of choices of faucets from a variety of manufacturers that fit that sink. You can spend $50 or $500+. IDK where the sweet spot is in terms of reliability vs cost, but I'd stay away from the low end, plastic stuff. |
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"Julie Bove" writes:
"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" writes: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Faucets come in a range of prices and quality. You can pay a lot more than $250 on just the faucet. Hoses and spray heads don't last as long as the faucet body and controls. 14 years and I recently replaced the stainless steel clad hose. Really a very simple job if you can screw and unscrew things. The part cost $45. The sprayer is due for replacement soon, I get dripping out of the spray nozzles without the button being depressed. The sprayer head is simple to replace too. The part cost for that is $87. I looked online at Lowes and Home Depot. Lowes is closer so I suspect that is where Mr. Handyman will go. That is where he has gone for other things. This is not what I have but seems to have the best review for this type of setup. http://www.lowes.com/pd_297441-866-C...ray&facetInfo= I'm not saying HD doesn't carry high end stuff, I don't really know. But I do know they carry low end stuff. What I have, has the solid piece of metal with the hose attached to it, and the single handle. I presume this is what I would have to replace it with. There are not a lot of options. To get something else I would likely have to replace the sink and I don't really need a new sink. Wrong. The odds are very low that your faucet mount is somehow unique. You don't have to replace the sink. -- Dan Espen |
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| How long should one last?
| Began having problems with the faucet about 2 | years after it was put in. There are differences in faucets, but there are also differences in the people using them. If someone in the house is rough with the faucet, yanking the hose without paying attention, or treating the handle as an on/off switch, that can make a difference. (I once had a landlord whose electric appliances were all broken. Whenever he got impatient with the appliance's performance he'd break something off to "punish it". Even his Apple computer was missing much of its face. Many faucets will come with a weight to attach to the middle of the hose, so that it will hang easily under the sink. Whether you have that or not, you need to arrange things so that the hose does not catch on things in the cabinet. In general I think the quality difference is more in the model and cost these days than in the brand. HD and Lowes carry most popular brands. They seem to make deals on items of all kinds, often contracting for models that don't exist elsewhere. The brands they carry are respectable brands, but that doesn't necessarily mean the HD models are top quality. What I've noticed myself is that all of their faucets have been severely downgraded over the years. As with much other hardware, the makers try to find ways to replace metal with plastic. Only 10 years ago a typical faucet base would be chrome plated metal and the connectors would be thick copper tubing with threaded ends to fit supply hoses. Now much of the faucet is plastic with "chrome" paint. The connectors are either shockingly thin copper tube or plastic hoses. The sprayer connector itself is a chintzy plastic fitting rather than threaded brass. I don't know how that compares to stock from a plumbing supply, but a plumber should know that. | The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he | ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. | Handyman next time if I can wait that long. $250 for a plumber to replace a faucet is cheap where I live. Undoubtedly the faucet was cheap. Did you tell the plumber you wanted the best, regardless of cost? He/she may have guessed that you valued low price most. If you're going to call someone else next time, who will then buy the faucet at HD or Lowes, you're going to get another cheap faucet. (Not necessarily a bad one, but a cheap one.) HD and Lowes don't specialize in high quality of anything, in my experience. That's not to say that all of their stuff is junk, but they're retailers first, and most of their customers have limited expertise while they're looking for a cheap price. If anyone really has the experience to know the quality difference between models it will be a plumber. I think you'd be better off finding a plumber who you trust. While you're at it, ask him or her why the old faucet wore out. The plumber will likely have a much better idea than a bunch of people in a newsgroup who are guessing based on very little information. |
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Julie Bove wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. Hi, I still don't get it. Is it faucet or spray head and hose(repelacement kit available at HW stores) I had one problem with diverter valve for the spray head which was cheap plastic. I replaced it with bronze piece, no more problem since. The whole thing is crap. The faucet started dripping almost right away. And now it also leaks at the handle. It is a single handle. I just want something better. Hi, For the time being, there is repair kit for that too. springs, o rings, etc. It will buy you good amount of time. Shut the water off, take the faucet apart repalce worn parts, done in half an hour. All you need is basic hand tools. |
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This looks like what I got 12 years ago, still functioning just fine
although I did have to put a new seal/washer in the hot water cartridge a coupe of years ago. You can change the whole faucet in 30 minutes including a 15 minute coffee break. Some have only one O ring on the swivel, best to get the ones with two O rings. I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. About 30 bucks for one like this down at the local "we have everything" store Made with love from China, actually the machined parts were high quality, looked like something going on an airplane instead of the kitchen sink. http://www.amazon.com/LDR-011-3401-K...923004&sr=1-88 On 4/18/2014 8:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:06:42 -0500, Fat-Dumb and Happy
wrote: This looks like what I got 12 years ago, still functioning just fine although I did have to put a new seal/washer in the hot water cartridge a coupe of years ago. You can change the whole faucet in 30 minutes including a 15 minute coffee break. Some have only one O ring on the swivel, best to get the ones with two O rings. I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. About 30 bucks for one like this down at the local "we have everything" store Made with love from China, actually the machined parts were high quality, looked like something going on an airplane instead of the kitchen sink. http://www.amazon.com/LDR-011-3401-K...923004&sr=1-88 I'm glad you like your purchase. I'll never own another faucet with Acrylic handles, never. Eventually they will crack and split at the stem. Could never find the proper ones to fit snug. Most stores carry a "universal" replacement, which in my opinion is just as bad as the original Acrylic handles. I did find a set on plated handles that worked but was not completely satisfied. Sold the house YMMV. |
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Fat-Dumb and Happy writes:
I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. Going to assume you mean the USA, but the OP could be from anywhere. Usually, it's won't, not can't. I'm going to cast a little blame on our education. I don't remember the class where they explained how plumbing works introduced us to wrenches, the fuse box, a level. Sure, if you weren't too smart and were taking vocational training you might have gotten some of that. Had a plumber here once working on a bathroom remodel. While he was here I discovered a clogged drain. He offered to clear it. I told him, "I'll be damned if I pay a plumber to clear a drain". Got a really strange look. Apparently a lot of people are not familiar with snakes. When I had the drain cleared in a few minutes, he called his brother (the GC) recounting the story. -- Dan Espen |
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"dadiOH" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" wrote in message http://www.lowes.com/pd_297441-866-C...ray&facetInfo= What I have, has the solid piece of metal with the hose attached to it, and the single handle. I presume this is what I would have to replace it with. There are not a lot of options. To get something else I would likely have to replace the sink and I don't really need a new sink. Your sink has at least three, maybe four holes. Two holes are for hot & cold water, one for the faucet itself; a fourth is for a separate (non-pull down) sprayer. You could use any faucet; if it has a pull down sprayer, there are plugs for the extraneous hole if the faucet body doesn't cover it. There is another hole. It is an overflow, I think. I am interested in the pulldown sprayer but not sure how problematic they are. |
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"trader_4" wrote in message ... On Saturday, April 19, 2014 5:44:40 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote: "Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" writes: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Faucets come in a range of prices and quality. You can pay a lot more than $250 on just the faucet. Hoses and spray heads don't last as long as the faucet body and controls. 14 years and I recently replaced the stainless steel clad hose. Really a very simple job if you can screw and unscrew things. The part cost $45. The sprayer is due for replacement soon, I get dripping out of the spray nozzles without the button being depressed. The sprayer head is simple to replace too. The part cost for that is $87. I looked online at Lowes and Home Depot. Lowes is closer so I suspect that is where Mr. Handyman will go. That is where he has gone for other things. Why would you let wherever the handyman shops determine which faucet you get? You should be able to buy a faucet anywhere and have him install it. This is not what I have but seems to have the best review for this type of setup. http://www.lowes.com/pd_297441-866-C...ray&facetInfo= What I have, has the solid piece of metal with the hose attached to it, and the single handle. I presume this is what I would have to replace it with. There are not a lot of options. To get something else I would likely have to replace the sink and I don't really need a new sink. Sinks come in standard hole configurations. Apparently you have a 3 hole sink. There should be a huge number of choices of faucets from a variety of manufacturers that fit that sink. You can spend $50 or $500+. IDK where the sweet spot is in terms of reliability vs cost, but I'd stay away from the low end, plastic stuff. Thanks! |
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"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" writes: "Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" writes: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Faucets come in a range of prices and quality. You can pay a lot more than $250 on just the faucet. Hoses and spray heads don't last as long as the faucet body and controls. 14 years and I recently replaced the stainless steel clad hose. Really a very simple job if you can screw and unscrew things. The part cost $45. The sprayer is due for replacement soon, I get dripping out of the spray nozzles without the button being depressed. The sprayer head is simple to replace too. The part cost for that is $87. I looked online at Lowes and Home Depot. Lowes is closer so I suspect that is where Mr. Handyman will go. That is where he has gone for other things. This is not what I have but seems to have the best review for this type of setup. http://www.lowes.com/pd_297441-866-C...ray&facetInfo= I'm not saying HD doesn't carry high end stuff, I don't really know. But I do know they carry low end stuff. What I have, has the solid piece of metal with the hose attached to it, and the single handle. I presume this is what I would have to replace it with. There are not a lot of options. To get something else I would likely have to replace the sink and I don't really need a new sink. Wrong. The odds are very low that your faucet mount is somehow unique. You don't have to replace the sink. Great! Thanks! |
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"Frank" wrote in message ... On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? Mine have lasted less than 10 years and they were all Moens. Kitchen faucet is probably most used one in the house. I had replaced a couple myself in my younger years but now with bifocals and stiff neck use a plumber and your charge seems about right. Okay. Thanks! |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:50:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
wrote: There is another hole. It is an overflow, I think. I am interested in the pulldown sprayer but not sure how problematic they are. You can remove the air gap vent on top of the sink and then use an under sink solution. The air gap relates to the dishwasher/drainage. Pics http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachments/plumbing/16988d1235612177-newly-chronic-overflow-dishwasher-dishwasher-air-gap-installation.gif http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachments/plumbing/29993d1269632734-dishwasher-overflow-vent-sink-required-high-loop.jpg Then you can use the hole for a sprayer. |
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"Mayayana" wrote in message ... | How long should one last? | Began having problems with the faucet about 2 | years after it was put in. There are differences in faucets, but there are also differences in the people using them. If someone in the house is rough with the faucet, yanking the hose without paying attention, or treating the handle as an on/off switch, that can make a difference. (I once had a landlord whose electric appliances were all broken. Whenever he got impatient with the appliance's performance he'd break something off to "punish it". Even his Apple computer was missing much of its face. Many faucets will come with a weight to attach to the middle of the hose, so that it will hang easily under the sink. Whether you have that or not, you need to arrange things so that the hose does not catch on things in the cabinet. Hmmm... No weight on mine and I can't really rearrange the knobs down there which is what it is getting caught on. The old one never did tat. In general I think the quality difference is more in the model and cost these days than in the brand. HD and Lowes carry most popular brands. They seem to make deals on items of all kinds, often contracting for models that don't exist elsewhere. The brands they carry are respectable brands, but that doesn't necessarily mean the HD models are top quality. What I've noticed myself is that all of their faucets have been severely downgraded over the years. As with much other hardware, the makers try to find ways to replace metal with plastic. Only 10 years ago a typical faucet base would be chrome plated metal and the connectors would be thick copper tubing with threaded ends to fit supply hoses. Now much of the faucet is plastic with "chrome" paint. The connectors are either shockingly thin copper tube or plastic hoses. The sprayer connector itself is a chintzy plastic fitting rather than threaded brass. I don't know how that compares to stock from a plumbing supply, but a plumber should know that. Yes. Much of mine is plastic made to look like chrome. | The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he | ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. | Handyman next time if I can wait that long. $250 for a plumber to replace a faucet is cheap where I live. Undoubtedly the faucet was cheap. Did you tell the plumber you wanted the best, regardless of cost? He/she may have guessed that you valued low price most. If you're going to call someone else next time, who will then buy the faucet at HD or Lowes, you're going to get another cheap faucet. (Not necessarily a bad one, but a cheap one.) HD and Lowes don't specialize in high quality of anything, in my experience. That's not to say that all of their stuff is junk, but they're retailers first, and most of their customers have limited expertise while they're looking for a cheap price. It wasn't $250 to replace. It wa $250 plus installation. There is no way that this is a $250 faucet! He also put one in the garage. Told me he had one he would get me a deal on but charged $250 for that too and no sprayer. It's just a cheap utility sink. That particular plumbing company also charged me $250 plus installation to replace what was perhaps a $12 toilet part. I got another guy to intall a whole new toilet for slightly less than that! Which is why I don't want to use them unless it is in emergency. I have tried three different plumbing companies. All seem to do shoddy work in that I have to keep calling them back again and again for the same thing. At least with Mr. Handyman, if the job wasn't done right, he comes back and puts it right and doesn't charge me again. If anyone really has the experience to know the quality difference between models it will be a plumber. I think you'd be better off finding a plumber who you trust. While you're at it, ask him or her why the old faucet wore out. The plumber will likely have a much better idea than a bunch of people in a newsgroup who are guessing based on very little information. |
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"Fat-Dumb and Happy" wrote in message ... This looks like what I got 12 years ago, still functioning just fine although I did have to put a new seal/washer in the hot water cartridge a coupe of years ago. You can change the whole faucet in 30 minutes including a 15 minute coffee break. Some have only one O ring on the swivel, best to get the ones with two O rings. I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. About 30 bucks for one like this down at the local "we have everything" store Made with love from China, actually the machined parts were high quality, looked like something going on an airplane instead of the kitchen sink. http://www.amazon.com/LDR-011-3401-K...923004&sr=1-88 Thanks! Looks like what my parents used to have. |
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"Oren" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:06:42 -0500, Fat-Dumb and Happy wrote: This looks like what I got 12 years ago, still functioning just fine although I did have to put a new seal/washer in the hot water cartridge a coupe of years ago. You can change the whole faucet in 30 minutes including a 15 minute coffee break. Some have only one O ring on the swivel, best to get the ones with two O rings. I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. About 30 bucks for one like this down at the local "we have everything" store Made with love from China, actually the machined parts were high quality, looked like something going on an airplane instead of the kitchen sink. http://www.amazon.com/LDR-011-3401-K...923004&sr=1-88 I'm glad you like your purchase. I'll never own another faucet with Acrylic handles, never. Eventually they will crack and split at the stem. Could never find the proper ones to fit snug. Most stores carry a "universal" replacement, which in my opinion is just as bad as the original Acrylic handles. I did find a set on plated handles that worked but was not completely satisfied. Sold the house YMMV. The ones I've had, have gotten moldy inside. |
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"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... Fat-Dumb and Happy writes: I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. Going to assume you mean the USA, but the OP could be from anywhere. Usually, it's won't, not can't. I'm going to cast a little blame on our education. I don't remember the class where they explained how plumbing works introduced us to wrenches, the fuse box, a level. Sure, if you weren't too smart and were taking vocational training you might have gotten some of that. Had a plumber here once working on a bathroom remodel. While he was here I discovered a clogged drain. He offered to clear it. I told him, "I'll be damned if I pay a plumber to clear a drain". Got a really strange look. Apparently a lot of people are not familiar with snakes. When I had the drain cleared in a few minutes, he called his brother (the GC) recounting the story. Oooh! Do *not* call them snakes in front of a plumber. I had one totally go off on me. Told me there was no such thing as a snake! I did manage to clear my slow draining bathtub. Took me the better part of the day and gallons of hot water, vinegar and a lot of baking soda. But usually I am no good at plumbing stuff and if anything, I only make things worse. |
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"Julie Bove" writes:
"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... Fat-Dumb and Happy writes: I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. Going to assume you mean the USA, but the OP could be from anywhere. Usually, it's won't, not can't. I'm going to cast a little blame on our education. I don't remember the class where they explained how plumbing works introduced us to wrenches, the fuse box, a level. Sure, if you weren't too smart and were taking vocational training you might have gotten some of that. Had a plumber here once working on a bathroom remodel. While he was here I discovered a clogged drain. He offered to clear it. I told him, "I'll be damned if I pay a plumber to clear a drain". Got a really strange look. Apparently a lot of people are not familiar with snakes. When I had the drain cleared in a few minutes, he called his brother (the GC) recounting the story. Oooh! Do *not* call them snakes in front of a plumber. I had one totally go off on me. Told me there was no such thing as a snake! Really? Wikipedia says: A plumber's snake, sometimes known as a "toilet jack" or "electric eel", is a flexible auger used to remove clogs in plumbing that cannot be loosened with a plunger. What did he want you to call it, an auger? I did manage to clear my slow draining bathtub. Took me the better part of the day and gallons of hot water, vinegar and a lot of baking soda. Bathtubs are tough. The water/chemical approach doesn't really get the job done well. A snake can work, but it's not easy. I had a tough bathtub and fooled with chemicals for a long time. Finally I got in the tub, used the entry point where the lever is, and pulled out loads of hair and muck. But usually I am no good at plumbing stuff and if anything, I only make things worse. As with lots of things, persistence pays off. -- Dan Espen |
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On 04/19/2014 03:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
Oooh! Do *not* call them snakes in front of a plumber. I had one totally go off on me. Told me there was no such thing as a snake! A professional plumber would *never* insult a customer like that. And not only was he unprofessional, he's wrong as well. Send the 'drip' this link so he can buy a plumbing snake. http://www.plumbingsupply.com/snake.html |
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On 4/19/2014 1:55 PM, Dan.Espen wrote:
Had a plumber here once working on a bathroom remodel. While he was here I discovered a clogged drain. He offered to clear it. I told him, "I'll be damned if I pay a plumber to clear a drain". Got a really strange look. Apparently a lot of people are not familiar with snakes. When I had the drain cleared in a few minutes, he called his brother (the GC) recounting the story. Consider his perspective. Most of his calls are probably people who can't or won't clear their own drains. Wish I had a brother who is a GC. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Julie Bove wrote: "Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. Hi, I still don't get it. Is it faucet or spray head and hose(repelacement kit available at HW stores) I had one problem with diverter valve for the spray head which was cheap plastic. I replaced it with bronze piece, no more problem since. The whole thing is crap. The faucet started dripping almost right away. And now it also leaks at the handle. It is a single handle. I just want something better. Hi, For the time being, there is repair kit for that too. springs, o rings, etc. It will buy you good amount of time. Shut the water off, take the faucet apart repalce worn parts, done in half an hour. All you need is basic hand tools. I would just as soon just replace the unit. I really never liked it. But thanks! |
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"Oren" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:50:02 -0700, "Julie Bove" wrote: There is another hole. It is an overflow, I think. I am interested in the pulldown sprayer but not sure how problematic they are. You can remove the air gap vent on top of the sink and then use an under sink solution. The air gap relates to the dishwasher/drainage. Pics http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachments/plumbing/16988d1235612177-newly-chronic-overflow-dishwasher-dishwasher-air-gap-installation.gif http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/attachments/plumbing/29993d1269632734-dishwasher-overflow-vent-sink-required-high-loop.jpg Then you can use the hole for a sprayer. Thanks! |
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"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... "Julie Bove" writes: "Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... Fat-Dumb and Happy writes: I don't know what this country is coming to when a person can't change their own faucets or look under the counter and determine why the sprayer hose hangs. Going to assume you mean the USA, but the OP could be from anywhere. Usually, it's won't, not can't. I'm going to cast a little blame on our education. I don't remember the class where they explained how plumbing works introduced us to wrenches, the fuse box, a level. Sure, if you weren't too smart and were taking vocational training you might have gotten some of that. Had a plumber here once working on a bathroom remodel. While he was here I discovered a clogged drain. He offered to clear it. I told him, "I'll be damned if I pay a plumber to clear a drain". Got a really strange look. Apparently a lot of people are not familiar with snakes. When I had the drain cleared in a few minutes, he called his brother (the GC) recounting the story. Oooh! Do *not* call them snakes in front of a plumber. I had one totally go off on me. Told me there was no such thing as a snake! Really? Wikipedia says: A plumber's snake, sometimes known as a "toilet jack" or "electric eel", is a flexible auger used to remove clogs in plumbing that cannot be loosened with a plunger. What did he want you to call it, an auger? Yep. Auger. He was really angry when I mentioned the snake. I used to sell plumbing and everyone referred to it as a snake! I did manage to clear my slow draining bathtub. Took me the better part of the day and gallons of hot water, vinegar and a lot of baking soda. Bathtubs are tough. The water/chemical approach doesn't really get the job done well. A snake can work, but it's not easy. I had a tough bathtub and fooled with chemicals for a long time. Finally I got in the tub, used the entry point where the lever is, and pulled out loads of hair and muck. I did not want to have to remove the overflow thing on the tub. It's a bit oversized, jetted tub. I have a nice little snaking thing that works well in the shower but due to the design of the tub drain, it won't go in there very far. I think the problem with the tub was lint. I only use it for hand wash now. The design is poor and I was having extreme trouble getting in and out of it. After slipping twice trying to get out, despite having all sorts of rubber mats everywhere and then daughter slipping, we just opted for showers. But usually I am no good at plumbing stuff and if anything, I only make things worse. As with lots of things, persistence pays off. Yes. I figured I didn't have much to lose with the clog/slow drain. Wasn't like I was using harsh chemicals or taking anything apart. |
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"Dan.Espen" wrote in message ... writes: On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 16:34:00 -0400, (Dan.Espen) wrote: Bathtubs are tough. The water/chemical approach doesn't really get the job done well. A snake can work, but it's not easy. I had a tough bathtub and fooled with chemicals for a long time. Finally I got in the tub, used the entry point where the lever is, and pulled out loads of hair and muck. Pulling that lever plate and lifting out the stopper usually gives you direct access to the drain pipe. You can try a toilet auger from there to get out the hair clogs and such. Yep. I had a real hard time getting the snake to make it's way through the trap and then out into the almost horizontal drain pipe. With the sharp turns it took a lot of persuasion. But persistence pays off. Try the plunger on the tub drain with that stopper out to clear it. Put a few inches of water in the tub to get some water to work with. It would be nice if they built tubs so that you could seal the lever plate opening easily. Then plungers would have a better chance. Old galvanized pipe doesn't give up hair balls too easily though. Glad I eventually had the bathroom remodeled and PVC put in. If I were to remodel, I would get rid of this tub and get either a walk in or a small corner tub. |
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"Zhang Yijie" wrote in message b.com... On 04/19/2014 03:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote: Oooh! Do *not* call them snakes in front of a plumber. I had one totally go off on me. Told me there was no such thing as a snake! A professional plumber would *never* insult a customer like that. And not only was he unprofessional, he's wrong as well. Send the 'drip' this link so he can buy a plumbing snake. http://www.plumbingsupply.com/snake.html Heh! I actually had one guy tell me that plumbing doesn't have vents. This was a supposed handyman/plumber that I called to unclog the kitchen sink. It was clogged when we bought the house. I told him it was clogged. He made me wait two weeks. I assumed this was normal. Having only ever rented or lived in military housing, I had no idea that I could actually call a plumber and have them come right away. My parents did own their houses but in one case, our next door neighbor was a plumber and my dad often did his own repairs, including putting in faucets and a tub! But he is no longer with us. Anyway... When the guy finally got here, he said he didn't do clogs! I made the mistake of telling this to another guy who was a general contractor/plumber. Said, "What kind of plumber doesn't do clogs?" He just laughed and said that he didn't do clogs either. But he did create a problem in my shower. He was called in (friend of a friend of my gardener) to fix a leaking pipe from the house to the main line. I'd had it repaired two years prior but the repairs didn't hold. He put in a whole new copper pipe. But... A few months later on Christmas Eve, water began pouring from my shower and wouldn't stop. Long story short, he didn't flush the line out and flux (I think that's what the plumber said) built up and made its way to the shower. Grrr... |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... On 4/19/2014 1:55 PM, Dan.Espen wrote: Had a plumber here once working on a bathroom remodel. While he was here I discovered a clogged drain. He offered to clear it. I told him, "I'll be damned if I pay a plumber to clear a drain". Got a really strange look. Apparently a lot of people are not familiar with snakes. When I had the drain cleared in a few minutes, he called his brother (the GC) recounting the story. Consider his perspective. Most of his calls are probably people who can't or won't clear their own drains. Wish I had a brother who is a GC. Me too. Mine is good with computers so I can't complain. But still, I wish we had some home type handy people around. |
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On 4/19/2014 5:37 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Soft water so no sediment. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. In looking at online reviews, Delta isn't good. I have no clue what brand this is. I can't see a brand on it anywhere. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. Yes but there are other issues and I don't know anyone who is handy. There are a zillion "how to" videos on Youtube....you even have your choice of a clean-cut professional plumber or a homeowner in a dirty t-shirt who cusses a lot. Videos often get down to brand-specific help, and it is worth the time to learn the simple stuff. If you live in a house or apartment, you need to know how to maintain stuff. As for the sprayer hose hooking onto the shut-off valve (I think they all do that), I got a section of pvc pipe, taped (or glued? I don't remember) it against the wall with the valve inside....it sticks out far enough that the hose can't reach to loop around it. There are probably better ways of doing it, like setting a jar of sand in front of the valve. Good luck in your plumbing endeavors ;O) |
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"Norminn" wrote in message m... On 4/19/2014 5:37 AM, Julie Bove wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 4/18/2014 9:55 PM, Julie Bove wrote: How long should one last? I'm not sure how old ours is. We bought this house almost 10 years ago. I have replaced the faucet since, perhaps 8 years ago. Not really sure. Began having problems with the faucet about 2 years after it was put in. The ring (appears decorative) around the sprayer came totally loose. Then the sprayer began sticking in the on position. Now it has gotten to the point of being severe. So much so that I am afraid to use the sprayer. The plumber charged me $250 for the faucet plus installation. I think he ripped me off. I think it is some low end piece of crap. I will use Mr. Handyman next time if I can wait that long. Won't call him until I have a list of things to do because it does cost me $250 just to get him in the door. But... How long should a faucet normally last? How long it should last is also a function of your water quality. A sediment filter greatly changed how long the inside guts lasted in mine from 6 months to over 20 years. Soft water so no sediment. Stick with better brands like Delta, Moen, Kohler, and avoid cheap store brands. In looking at online reviews, Delta isn't good. I have no clue what brand this is. I can't see a brand on it anywhere. The sprayer is easily replaced by any competent DIYer if you know one. Yes but there are other issues and I don't know anyone who is handy. There are a zillion "how to" videos on Youtube....you even have your choice of a clean-cut professional plumber or a homeowner in a dirty t-shirt who cusses a lot. Videos often get down to brand-specific help, and it is worth the time to learn the simple stuff. If you live in a house or apartment, you need to know how to maintain stuff. As for the sprayer hose hooking onto the shut-off valve (I think they all do that), I got a section of pvc pipe, taped (or glued? I don't remember) it against the wall with the valve inside....it sticks out far enough that the hose can't reach to loop around it. There are probably better ways of doing it, like setting a jar of sand in front of the valve. Good luck in your plumbing endeavors ;O) Thanks! |
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