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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be
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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the
video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner,
so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands,
or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be

Leza Did you buy this house without first seeing it? There seems to be
to many things wrong with it?WW

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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be



That hole was put there for a reason so it would be good to find out
why before you fill it in. There may have been a leak and the
previous owner made the hold to act as a drain field or a sump. It
may have been to access sewer pips running around there, as to repair
a leak. Or is may have been a hiding place for gold.

Is the hole dry? If so, you can fill it easily. If the hole wet? If
so, you want to find the reason and stop it before filling the hole.

If you are sure you want it filled, you can use any combination of
rocks, dirt, sand. Bring it in a bucket at a time.

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Hi
I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the
video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner,
so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands,
or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be

Leza Did you buy this house without first seeing it? There seems to be
to many things wrong with it?WW

Sounds like a house a friend bought. She bought the house up in
cottage country because it was cheap. It was sold as a "4 season" home
and it has no foundation(sitting on concrete blocks) and no insulation
in the floors. In March when she bought it, everything was level - the
roof ridge was straight, and all doors and windows operated.
Throughout the winter the ridgepole was up to 8 inches out of line and
most windows would not operate. By March it was straight again - but
the heating bill for the winter was about $2000. There were all kinds
of electrical issues and plumbing issues. Now she can't afford to
keep living in it - so she needs to sell it. Good luck.

People who don't know about houses shopuldn't buy them without the
assistance of someone who does. ( same goes for buying used cars, as
far as that goes)
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Hi I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.. My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else? Thanks a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be


Leza,

Are there any pipes or any anything inside the hole, that look as though they might connect to somethintg else, like it is part of a perimeter drain system? Does water come up in the hole when it rains? Is the window in the picture right at ground level like your laundry room window? Is it on the same side of the house as the laundry room window?


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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the
video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that
corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy
sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be


The floor is what material and how thick ?

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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be

Hi,
Are you in Toronto? which part of the city? I used to live in Scarboro,
left Ontario in the spring of 1970 on a company transfer. How big is the
hole? Maybe it is a drain pit? Then you should remedy the leak problem
first.
If you bought that house, have you used the service of house inspector?
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Hi
I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the
video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner,
so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands,
or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be

Leza Did you buy this house without first seeing it? There seems to be
to many things wrong with it?WW

Sounds like a house a friend bought. She bought the house up in
cottage country because it was cheap. It was sold as a "4 season" home
and it has no foundation(sitting on concrete blocks) and no insulation
in the floors. In March when she bought it, everything was level - the
roof ridge was straight, and all doors and windows operated.
Throughout the winter the ridgepole was up to 8 inches out of line and
most windows would not operate. By March it was straight again - but
the heating bill for the winter was about $2000. There were all kinds
of electrical issues and plumbing issues. Now she can't afford to
keep living in it - so she needs to sell it. Good luck.

People who don't know about houses shopuldn't buy them without the
assistance of someone who does. ( same goes for buying used cars, as
far as that goes)

Hmmm,
A expensive lesson. I never lived in a pre-owned house. Wife designed
house. I had it built after getting her design OK'd from pros and local
building permit dept.
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Hi
I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the
video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner,
so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands,
or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be

Leza Did you buy this house without first seeing it? There seems to be
to many things wrong with it?WW


But only in the basement and maybe the patio. Walking down the
stairs** I was impressed at how much nicer the stairs looked than the
basement. Not everyone's basement is at all "finished".

**I like that btw. You had lost the Hitchcock touch in many of your
videos, but this one defintely had it. By the time you got to the
bottom of the stairs I was scared to death. When you backed out of
the stairwell, I was sure someone was going to grab you. Did you
post this video, or was it your kidnapper? And what does he want to
release you?

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Hi
I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be



That hole was put there for a reason so it would be good to find out
why before you fill it in. There may have been a leak and the
previous owner made the hold to act as a drain field or a sump. It
may have been to access sewer pips running around there, as to repair
a leak. Or is may have been a hiding place for gold.


I thnk the kidnapper was looking for the gold. Probably found it and
that's why the hole is empty. The OP probably came home early and
that's why he snatched her too.

Is the hole dry? If so, you can fill it easily. If the hole wet? If
so, you want to find the reason and stop it before filling the hole.

If you are sure you want it filled, you can use any combination of
rocks, dirt, sand. Bring it in a bucket at a time.


Rocks tend to be free, and they make the filling go quickly, except
for spaces between the rocks. But they might be harder to remove
when you want to get your gold.



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Hi


I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.




My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?




Thanks a lot.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be






That hole was put there for a reason so it would be good to find out

why before you fill it in. There may have been a leak and the

previous owner made the hold to act as a drain field or a sump. It

may have been to access sewer pips running around there, as to repair

a leak. Or is may have been a hiding place for gold.



Is the hole dry? If so, you can fill it easily. If the hole wet? If

so, you want to find the reason and stop it before filling the hole.





Agree. And she has no experience with the house in various
conditions, ie like after heavy rains for 4 days. Maybe it fills
with water for all we know.

There is a *lot* wrong with this house. Best advice I can give is
that she needs to find a competent home inspector and get the whole
house inspected to find out the extent of everything that is wrong.
It doesn't make sense to be fixing one thing here, one thing there,
only to find out a year later that there are very serious problems
that require a tear-out of all the work you'be just done to fix
correctly. The few things she has found already could be just the
start.

And for an example of how you could wind up doing work for
nothing, there is the basement window example. Apparently she removed
pavers and poured concrete right up to the window. Two things wrong
there. First, it was apparently graded the wrong way. Second, by
pouring a slab instead of pavers, the water has no place to go and
is brought right to the window to pour into the basement.

She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done
before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and
it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.
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She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done
before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and
it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.


True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make
him a pot roast, maybe.

If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.

I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed
and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'

This reminds me of the movie

"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and
starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to
renovate a recently purchased house."
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The floor is what material and how thick ?

Greg


We may be thinking the same thing. Replace the landing sub floor?
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On 7/6/2013 9:04 PM, leza wang wrote:
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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be


There are probably a few things "out of the ordinary" with your
house, but if you take a good look at any old house you will find a
few things "out of the ordinary." If it were antique furniture the
term would be "patina." The thing about patina is you leave it alone
or the antique will lose value. Think of your house the same way.

The hole has been there for some time. It was put there for a reason.
Until you can find out the reason, leave things alone. If it is a
drain then let it drain or find the leak and repair it. Some problems
are minor and can be lived with, some have to be fixed. You can't fix
a problem until you know what the problem is.

See what happens after a heavy rainfall. Keep an eye on things for a
few days or weeks.

Out of curiosity, how did you find the hole to begin with. It looks
like you tore up the floor to find it?

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I would leave the hole as is till you know what its supposed to do......


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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see
the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in
that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix
something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy
sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be


I think it's hard to tell exactly what the hole is for or how it got there.

I assume that the landing where the hole is located is at the same level as
the rest of the basement floor. right? In other words, after you go through
that door at the bottom of the stairway, there are no more steps going down
from there, right?

So far, it does look like someone broke out the original concrete basement
floor in that area and dug out a hole down along the foundation wall
footing. Your video didn't show what it looks like inside the hole if you
look toward where the steps are. Is there a dirt wall there or something
else there, or does the opening go further along the side wall under the
steps?

And, maybe you can do a little video or photo of that window from the
outside. Maybe that is or was a problem area where water was getting in
which caused the water leak in that area that you saw before. It might be
the same deal -- the ground not being graded away from the house to allow
water to run off away from the house rather than into the foundation wall.

I also agree with the others that you should wait for some heavy rains and
see what happens with the hole open.


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She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done
before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and
it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.


True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make
him a pot roast, maybe.

If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.

I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed
and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'

This reminds me of the movie

"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and
starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to
renovate a recently purchased house."


Some of you guys can be a real downer when she's still in the middle
of fixing things. Are you trying to break her spirit? You don't
know what the rest of the house looks like, what she paid, or how much
money she has. I've long noticed in this group and others that some
people write like everything can be fixed with money and everyone has
enough money to do so. It's not true. Many people have to put up
with things far less than perfect because they don't have as much
money as others do.
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"leza wang" wrote in message
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Hi
I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the
video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that
corner,
so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure
really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy
sands,
or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be

Leza Did you buy this house without first seeing it? There seems to
be
to many things wrong with it?WW

Sounds like a house a friend bought. She bought the house up in
cottage country because it was cheap. It was sold as a "4 season" home
and it has no foundation(sitting on concrete blocks) and no insulation
in the floors. In March when she bought it, everything was level - the
roof ridge was straight, and all doors and windows operated.
Throughout the winter the ridgepole was up to 8 inches out of line and
most windows would not operate. By March it was straight again - but
the heating bill for the winter was about $2000. There were all kinds
of electrical issues and plumbing issues. Now she can't afford to
keep living in it - so she needs to sell it. Good luck.

People who don't know about houses shopuldn't buy them without the
assistance of someone who does. ( same goes for buying used cars, as
far as that goes)

Hmmm,
A expensive lesson. I never lived in a pre-owned house. Wife designed
house. I had it built after getting her design OK'd from pros and local
building permit dept.


Good for you Tony. Not everyone has the good fortune of being able to not
having to buy used. Since you never had to buy a pre-owned house, you
haven't any experience with them. Probably time for you to shut your trap.



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I had the same thing happen once, I'd bought some fence post holes on
sale and stored them in the basement, mice chewed a hole in the package
and they leaked on the floor.
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She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done


before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and


it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.




True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make

him a pot roast, maybe.



If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.



I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed

and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'



This reminds me of the movie



"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and

starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to

renovate a recently purchased house."


Thanks a lot for your reply. Most of my problems got fixed, thanks for all advices I have got from this group and we have been learning a lot. I do not mind to hire people but do they really make it right? Many advices I got it from here, no any contractors/handymen mentioned to me when we asked them to come over and give us an estimate!

Thanks a lot.


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The floor is what material and how thick ?




Greg




We may be thinking the same thing. Replace the landing sub floor?


It is cement I guess. Now in that area, Laminate then Vinly (peel and stick) then cement floor.
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On Sunday, July 7, 2013 2:14:09 PM UTC-4, LdB wrote:
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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.




My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else?




Thanks a lot.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be






There are probably a few things "out of the ordinary" with your

house, but if you take a good look at any old house you will find a

few things "out of the ordinary." If it were antique furniture the

term would be "patina." The thing about patina is you leave it alone

or the antique will lose value. Think of your house the same way.



The hole has been there for some time. It was put there for a reason.

Until you can find out the reason, leave things alone. If it is a

drain then let it drain or find the leak and repair it. Some problems

are minor and can be lived with, some have to be fixed. You can't fix

a problem until you know what the problem is.



See what happens after a heavy rainfall. Keep an eye on things for a

few days or weeks.



Out of curiosity, how did you find the hole to begin with. It looks

like you tore up the floor to find it?



LdB


Thanks for your reply. Today was heavy rain and I did not see water goes to that hole. That wall has been dry. I put some cement from the outside and that might helped to push the water away not sure!

The laminate floor in that area was not firm and moving so I decided to re-seat them and that is how i found the whole. the previous owner did put a cement block in that hole, i guess just for safety if someone press that area and his/her leg go inside.
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I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see


the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in


that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix


something! not sure really.




My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy


sands, or you think I should do something else?




Thanks a lot.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be




I think it's hard to tell exactly what the hole is for or how it got there.



I assume that the landing where the hole is located is at the same level as

the rest of the basement floor. right? In other words, after you go through

that door at the bottom of the stairway, there are no more steps going down

from there, right?



So far, it does look like someone broke out the original concrete basement

floor in that area and dug out a hole down along the foundation wall

footing. Your video didn't show what it looks like inside the hole if you

look toward where the steps are. Is there a dirt wall there or something

else there, or does the opening go further along the side wall under the

steps?



And, maybe you can do a little video or photo of that window from the

outside. Maybe that is or was a problem area where water was getting in

which caused the water leak in that area that you saw before. It might be

the same deal -- the ground not being graded away from the house to allow

water to run off away from the house rather than into the foundation wall..



I also agree with the others that you should wait for some heavy rains and

see what happens with the hole open.


Yes Tom, you are right, the floor in the same level there is no more stairs.. Yes the window there has exactly the same issue. It is level with the ground. What is inside the whole, I see stones around the hole and dirt/sand in the ground. I will take another video shortly. Thanks a lot once again.
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She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done


before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and


it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.




True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make


him a pot roast, maybe.




If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.




I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed


and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'




This reminds me of the movie




"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and


starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to


renovate a recently purchased house."




Some of you guys can be a real downer when she's still in the middle

of fixing things. Are you trying to break her spirit? You don't

know what the rest of the house looks like, what she paid, or how much

money she has. I've long noticed in this group and others that some

people write like everything can be fixed with money and everyone has

enough money to do so. It's not true. Many people have to put up

with things far less than perfect because they don't have as much

money as others do.


Thanks a lot Micky, really appreciate it.
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On 7/7/2013 6:12 PM, leza wang wrote:
On Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:48:26 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
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The floor is what material and how thick ?


....

We may be thinking the same thing. Replace the landing sub floor?


It is cement I guess. Now in that area, Laminate then Vinly (peel and
stick) then cement floor.


It appears that it was poured slab over a crawl space from the video.

Need as somebody else says to

a) determine what the purpose of making the hole in the first place was
b) determine if that reason has either been fixed or remains

That determines whether you actually to retain access permanently or
temporarily

In the end it looks like it should eventually be formed from the bottom
w/ some supporting and probably re-poured. It'll take some sort of
structural work underneath or insert rod or other support by drilling
into current slab (a lot more work in all likelihood) to get something
solid.

Alternatively, again start w/ a support structure underneath and frame
in a short section as if it were regular floor joist at level to support
a subfloor (1" T&G or couple layers 3/4" would be solid enough).

After that you can re-lay flooring to match whatever. But again, it all
needs to start w/ determining the "why" of what went on.

If need be, contact previous owner and see if have any information.

If it's a concealed defect that wasn't revealed you may have recourse in
getting at least some help on repairs if it does turn out to be major
problem underlying that reason and not just repairing the remnants of
the repairs.

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Hi I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.. My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else? Thanks a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be


Good point by last poster. Is there any way you can contact the previous owner. Even if you do not have contact information, your arealtor should be able to put you in contact with the sellers Realtor, and he/she should know how to contact the previous owners since that is where the check with the $$ from the sale went to.
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She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done


before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and


it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.




True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make


him a pot roast, maybe.




If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.




I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed


and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'




This reminds me of the movie




"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and


starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to


renovate a recently purchased house."




Some of you guys can be a real downer when she's still in the middle

of fixing things. Are you trying to break her spirit? You don't

know what the rest of the house looks like, what she paid, or how much

money she has.



That's why I suggested getting a competent professional in to
do a complete inspection and find out the real scope of all the
problems. She's already poured some money into
an "improvement" that was work for nothing because instead of
solving a problem, it's making it worse.





I've long noticed in this group and others that some

people write like everything can be fixed with money and everyone has

enough money to do so. It's not true. Many people have to put up

with things far less than perfect because they don't have as much

money as others do.


I think most of the time people here give very practical and good
advice and there are a range of possible options covering various
price points. The overall thing here that stands out is that no
one without experience should ever buy a house without a house
inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house
that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be
mean, it's just the truth.
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On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:04:01 PM UTC-5, leza wang wrote:
Hi I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix something! not sure really.. My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy sands, or you think I should do something else? Thanks a lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be


Somehow, it doesn't see likely that Leeza's spirit will be broken. She seems like a bright lady who wants to learn as much as possible.
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On Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:


She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done


before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and


it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.




True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make


him a pot roast, maybe.




If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.




I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed


and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'




This reminds me of the movie




"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and


starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to


renovate a recently purchased house."




Some of you guys can be a real downer when she's still in the middle

of fixing things. Are you trying to break her spirit? You don't

know what the rest of the house looks like, what she paid, or how much

money she has.



That's why I suggested getting a competent professional in to
do a complete inspection and find out the real scope of all the
problems. She's already poured some money into
an "improvement" that was work for nothing because instead of
solving a problem, it's making it worse.





I've long noticed in this group and others that some

people write like everything can be fixed with money and everyone has

enough money to do so. It's not true. Many people have to put up

with things far less than perfect because they don't have as much

money as others do.


I think most of the time people here give very practical and good
advice and there are a range of possible options covering various
price points.


I agree.

The overall thing here that stands out is that no
one without experience should ever buy a house without a house
inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house
that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be
mean, it's just the truth.


That you think it is the truth, or even that something is the truth,
does not mean that one has chosen the right time to express it.

It's of no value to her to be told she should have hired an inspector
before she bought the house, because she's bought the house already,
and she's in the middle of fixing it up. This can be a joyful
experience, as one by one, the problems get fixed. Instead, such
advice may turn it into months or years of berating oneself while
awake, and inabiltiy to sleep. If things go badly all-in-all, she
won't need you to convince her to hire an inspector before the next
house. She'll figure it out herself, or she'll hear about it later.
At any rate, a separate thread or inclusion in some other thread will
make the same point to everyone else who might benefit by hearing it.

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I think most of the time people here give very practical and good
advice and there are a range of possible options covering various
price points. The overall thing here that stands out is that no
one without experience should ever buy a house without a house
inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house
that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be
mean, it's just the truth.


I accept your answer that you werent' trying to break her spirit. In
fact I probably never thought you were. It was just a manner of
speaking.

Maybe I should have said, "You risk breaking her spirit, or taking the
joy out of the process even if you don't break her".


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On Monday, July 8, 2013 5:54:11 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT), "

wrote:



On Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:






She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done




before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and




it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.








True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make




him a pot roast, maybe.








If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.








I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed




and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'








This reminds me of the movie








"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and




starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to




renovate a recently purchased house."








Some of you guys can be a real downer when she's still in the middle




of fixing things. Are you trying to break her spirit? You don't




know what the rest of the house looks like, what she paid, or how much




money she has.






That's why I suggested getting a competent professional in to


do a complete inspection and find out the real scope of all the


problems. She's already poured some money into


an "improvement" that was work for nothing because instead of


solving a problem, it's making it worse.












I've long noticed in this group and others that some




people write like everything can be fixed with money and everyone has




enough money to do so. It's not true. Many people have to put up




with things far less than perfect because they don't have as much




money as others do.




I think most of the time people here give very practical and good


advice and there are a range of possible options covering various


price points.




I agree.



The overall thing here that stands out is that no


one without experience should ever buy a house without a house


inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house


that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be


mean, it's just the truth.




That you think it is the truth, or even that something is the truth,

does not mean that one has chosen the right time to express it.


It is the truth plain and simple. And in my world, it's far better
to tell someone how to avoid a potential disaster, so they learn,
instead of sugar coating the obvious. Do you disagree that it's
a mistake for someone not experienced in checking out a house to
not get an inspection done before buying it?






It's of no value to her to be told she should have hired an inspector

before she bought the house, because she's bought the house already,

and she's in the middle of fixing it up. This can be a joyful

experience, as one by one, the problems get fixed.


Why would you start fixing stuff when you have no idea the
extent of the problems? She already poured a concrete slab
that not only didn't fix anything, but made it worse. She
could do a lot of repairs, pour money into it, only to find
out that to fix other problems that she can't recognize, those repairs she just made need to be torn out.



Instead, such

advice may turn it into months or years of berating oneself while

awake, and inabiltiy to sleep.


If that happens, it's not because of my advice.



If things go badly all-in-all, she

won't need you to convince her to hire an inspector before the next

house. She'll figure it out herself, or she'll hear about it later.

At any rate, a separate thread or inclusion in some other thread will

make the same point to everyone else who might benefit by hearing it.


Leza is the one that needs to get hear what I and others have
said. Good grief.
All I said was that she needs a competent inspection done to find
out what all is wrong with the house. She should have done that
before the purchase. If she chooses to not do it now, it's another mistake. And I'm not buying that some etiquette says that I'm
not supposed to tell her the truth.

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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sunday, July 7, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:


She needs a complete home inspection, which should have been done

before purchase. There is no way of knowing what all is wrong and

it could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble here.



True. It would be a good idea for her to find a decent handyman, make

him a pot roast, maybe.



If the house was a gift / inheritance I would take, fix it and move.



I wish she would follow-up on some threads so we know what was fixed

and what was not - fence , trees out front, etc. ... just sayin'



This reminds me of the movie



"The Money Pit is a 1986 comedy film, directed by Richard Benjamin and

starring Tom Hanks and Shelley Long as a couple who attempt to

renovate a recently purchased house."



Some of you guys can be a real downer when she's still in the middle

of fixing things. Are you trying to break her spirit? You don't

know what the rest of the house looks like, what she paid, or how much

money she has.



That's why I suggested getting a competent professional in to
do a complete inspection and find out the real scope of all the
problems. She's already poured some money into
an "improvement" that was work for nothing because instead of
solving a problem, it's making it worse.





I've long noticed in this group and others that some

people write like everything can be fixed with money and everyone has

enough money to do so. It's not true. Many people have to put up

with things far less than perfect because they don't have as much

money as others do.


I think most of the time people here give very practical and good
advice and there are a range of possible options covering various
price points.


I agree.

The overall thing here that stands out is that no
one without experience should ever buy a house without a house
inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house
that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be
mean, it's just the truth.


That you think it is the truth, or even that something is the truth,
does not mean that one has chosen the right time to express it.

It's of no value to her to be told she should have hired an inspector
before she bought the house, because she's bought the house already,
and she's in the middle of fixing it up. This can be a joyful
experience, as one by one, the problems get fixed. Instead, such
advice may turn it into months or years of berating oneself while
awake, and inabiltiy to sleep. If things go badly all-in-all, she
won't need you to convince her to hire an inspector before the next
house. She'll figure it out herself, or she'll hear about it later.
At any rate, a separate thread or inclusion in some other thread will
make the same point to everyone else who might benefit by hearing it.

She seems to be handling it fairly well - and who knows, she may
have gotten a real bargain on the place, even with the problems.
In the future she will LIKELY investigate a bit more before buying -
but with the home inspectors I've run across she could quite well have
paid the man and still gotten the surprises. A good contractor or
handyman looking it over may have been a better investment - who
knows??
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She seems to be handling it fairly well - and who knows, she may
have gotten a real bargain on the place, even with the problems.
In the future she will LIKELY investigate a bit more before buying -
but with the home inspectors I've run across she could quite well have
paid the man and still gotten the surprises.



I wonder how many inspectors would have pulled the floor and found the
hole.
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She seems to be handling it fairly well - and who knows, she may
have gotten a real bargain on the place, even with the problems.
In the future she will LIKELY investigate a bit more before buying -
but with the home inspectors I've run across she could quite well have
paid the man and still gotten the surprises.



I wonder how many inspectors would have pulled the floor and found the
hole.

What I was saying. Half of them couldn't see it if it had a hinged
lid.
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wrote:




She seems to be handling it fairly well - and who knows, she may


have gotten a real bargain on the place, even with the problems.


In the future she will LIKELY investigate a bit more before buying -


but with the home inspectors I've run across she could quite well have


paid the man and still gotten the surprises.






I wonder how many inspectors would have pulled the floor and found the


hole.


What I was saying. Half of them couldn't see it if it had a hinged

lid.


An inspector may have missed the hole in the floor. But from
the other threads, there are other obvious problems that any
competent inspector would have easily identified.


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The overall thing here that stands out is that no


one without experience should ever buy a house without a house


inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house


that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be


mean, it's just the truth.





That you think it is the truth, or even that something is the truth,

does not mean that one has chosen the right time to express it.


It is the truth plain and simple.


Are you saying the statements were plain and simple, or that because
something is the truth, it's always the right time to say it?

I take major issue with the latter, and I'll explain why if that is
what you meant.

And in my world, it's far better
to tell someone how to avoid a potential disaster, so they learn,
instead of sugar coating the obvious. Do you disagree that it's
a mistake for someone not experienced in checking out a house to
not get an inspection done before buying it?


I think that's the wrong question, and I thought I made clear in the
previous post and even the first one why: She had bought the house
already so it doesn't apply to her. And you're not telling her how
to avoid a potential disaster.

It's of no value to her to be told she should have hired an inspector

before she bought the house, because she's bought the house already,

and she's in the middle of fixing it up. This can be a joyful

experience, as one by one, the problems get fixed.


Why would you start fixing stuff when you have no idea the
extent of the problems? She already poured a concrete slab
that not only didn't fix anything, but made it worse. She
could do a lot of repairs, pour money into it, only to find
out that to fix other problems that she can't recognize, those repairs she just made need to be torn out.


Now you're talking about hiring an inspector after purchase to give
advice about what repairs to make. But in the paragraph you're
replying to I was referring hiring an "an inspector before she bought
the house". Because you had said "She needs a complete home
inspection, which should have been done before purchase. "

BTW, in my first post on this subject, I deleted both attibution
lines, including yours, so as to not make it look like I was replying
especially to you. There had been other posts elswhere in the thread
that almost got the same reaction from me -- I don't know who wrote
them - but not enought to make me post.

I didnt' complain about everything you and others said, only being a
downer and risking breaking her spirit (as in "and it could be tens of
thousands of dollars of trouble here."

Instead, such

advice may turn it into months or years of berating oneself while

awake, and inabiltiy to sleep.


If that happens, it's not because of my advice.



If things go badly all-in-all, she

won't need you to convince her to hire an inspector before the next

house. She'll figure it out herself, or she'll hear about it later.

At any rate, a separate thread or inclusion in some other thread will

make the same point to everyone else who might benefit by hearing it.


Leza is the one that needs to get hear what I and others have
said. Good grief.
All I said was that she needs a competent inspection done to find
out what all is wrong with the house. She should have done that
before the purchase. If she chooses to not do it now, it's another mistake. And I'm not buying that some etiquette says that I'm
not supposed to tell her the truth.


I'm not relying on etiquette. It's common sense. Or "Love your
neighbor as yourself"

I assume you saw the short reply that followed yesterday's longer
reply by a few mintues. I apologize for annoying you, and for
hurting your feelings if I did so. I was just looking out for Leza
and other posters in her shoes.
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The overall thing here that stands out is that no




one without experience should ever buy a house without a house




inspection. If you do that, you could be paying $100K for a house




that is worth $20K. That's not to break someone's spirit or be




mean, it's just the truth.










That you think it is the truth, or even that something is the truth,




does not mean that one has chosen the right time to express it.




It is the truth plain and simple.




Are you saying the statements were plain and simple, or that because

something is the truth, it's always the right time to say it?


Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I said it's the
plain and simple truth that if you don't have the necessary skills
to inspect a house yourself, you should hire a competent home
inspector before buying a house.





I take major issue with the latter, and I'll explain why if that is

what you meant.


Don't bother.





And in my world, it's far better


to tell someone how to avoid a potential disaster, so they learn,


instead of sugar coating the obvious. Do you disagree that it's


a mistake for someone not experienced in checking out a house to


not get an inspection done before buying it?




I think that's the wrong question,


It's only the wrong question because you don't want to answer it.




and I thought I made clear in the

previous post and even the first one why: She had bought the house

already so it doesn't apply to her. And you're not telling her how

to avoid a potential disaster.


Yes I am. For two reasons. First, she needs a home inspector now
for the obvious reasons I stated. Second, if I don't tell her now
that she should have had a home inspector before she bought this
house, what makes you think anyone is going to tell her that before
she buys another house? Good grief.







It's of no value to her to be told she should have hired an inspector




before she bought the house, because she's bought the house already,




and she's in the middle of fixing it up. This can be a joyful




experience, as one by one, the problems get fixed.




Why would you start fixing stuff when you have no idea the


extent of the problems? She already poured a concrete slab


that not only didn't fix anything, but made it worse. She


could do a lot of repairs, pour money into it, only to find


out that to fix other problems that she can't recognize, those repairs she just made need to be torn out.




Now you're talking about hiring an inspector after purchase to give

advice about what repairs to make. But in the paragraph you're

replying to I was referring hiring an "an inspector before she bought

the house". Because you had said "She needs a complete home

inspection, which should have been done before purchase. "



See the above comments. Good grief.





BTW, in my first post on this subject, I deleted both attibution

lines, including yours, so as to not make it look like I was replying

especially to you. There had been other posts elswhere in the thread

that almost got the same reaction from me -- I don't know who wrote

them - but not enought to make me post.



But here you are, bitching at me, for giving good sound advice.







I didnt' complain about everything you and others said, only being a

downer and risking breaking her spirit (as in "and it could be tens of

thousands of dollars of trouble here."



It could be tens of thousands of dollars of trouble. It's even
possible that the house has so many problems that the best thing
she could do is walk away from it, instead of pouring more money
into it. But no one will know what she has unless she gets an
inspection done.






Instead, such




advice may turn it into months or years of berating oneself while




awake, and inabiltiy to sleep.




If that happens, it's not because of my advice.








If things go badly all-in-all, she




won't need you to convince her to hire an inspector before the next




house. She'll figure it out herself, or she'll hear about it later.




At any rate, a separate thread or inclusion in some other thread will




make the same point to everyone else who might benefit by hearing it.




Leza is the one that needs to get hear what I and others have


said. Good grief.


All I said was that she needs a competent inspection done to find


out what all is wrong with the house. She should have done that


before the purchase. If she chooses to not do it now, it's another mistake. And I'm not buying that some etiquette says that I'm


not supposed to tell her the truth.




I'm not relying on etiquette. It's common sense. Or "Love your

neighbor as yourself"



Your definition of common sense obviously doesn't equal mine.





I assume you saw the short reply that followed yesterday's longer

reply by a few mintues. I apologize for annoying you, and for

hurting your feelings if I did so. I was just looking out for Leza

and other posters in her shoes.


No you're not. Because you want to hold back the simple truth
that people need to hear because you think it's going to hurt
their "feelings". I suppose if someone had cancer, you'd just
whisper sweet nothings in their ear, instead of telling them what
they need to know so that they can get treatment.

PS: I don't see Leza bitching about this, only you.
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Hi
I have found that there is a hole in the basement floor! Please see
the video below. Before I bought the house I saw water leakage in
that corner, so now I am thinking they did that hole to fix
something! not sure really.

My question, with what i should fill that hole? I am thinking to buy
sands, or you think I should do something else?

Thanks a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcz6M...ature=youtu.be


Even though I live in the U.S. on the East Coast (New Jersey), I heard on
the news on radio this morning that Toronto had record setting rain
yesterday, and more rain may be coming soon. Here's one news story that I
just looked up online:
http://www.thestar.com/news/2013/07/...n_the_way.html .

So, of course, I am curious -- how did your laundry room leak and the
basement hole issue do through the rain storm?



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