Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle.

Thanks a mil!

On 7/3/2012 2:16 AM, tjreiter wrote:
Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes
about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my
stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come
on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle.

Thanks a mil!


Okeefe Merritt? Never heard of 'em and I'll bet you'll prolly never find
parts for it either.

McLowe's Depot is having an appliance sale this weekend. They have free
delivery and they'll even cart away your old hunkajunk.

On 7/3/2012 5:28 PM, Norm A. Brams wrote:
On 7/3/2012 2:16 AM, tjreiter wrote:
Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes
about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my
stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come
on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle.

Thanks a mil!


Okeefe Merritt? Never heard of 'em and I'll bet you'll prolly never find
parts for it either.

McLowe's Depot is having an appliance sale this weekend. They have free
delivery and they'll even cart away your old hunkajunk.

O'Keefe and Merritt went outta bidness in late 1970's or very early
1980's. Electrolux bought the company that bought the factory that made
O'Keefe's in Los Angeles.

O'Keefe and Merritt from the 1960's and earlier are considered vintage
and antique so it may be worth the OP's time to either fix the stove or
sell it to a collector.

I know this because a friend wanted me to help him sell (move) a late
1940's O'Keefe 6 burner blue colour porecelin stove about 6 or 7 years
ago. It was a 6 hour drive to deliver the stove to a bed and breakfast
inn that had a late 1940's decoration theme, and the money he got, paid
for a new stove, fridge, and dishwasher.

Maybe Electrolux is of help for later models...

On 7/3/2012 1:16 AM, tjreiter wrote:
Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes
about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my
stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come
on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle.

Thanks a mil!
....

You probably need at a minimum a thermostat rebuild and perhaps the
control/safety valve as well.

There are folks who specialize in old appliances--here's one altho I
don't have any specific knowledge of them it's representative of what
you can find if you look.

If you're handy enough, you could potentially replace the thermostat
yourself altho you'll then also have to calibrate the knob/control to go
with it...

http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/

As an aside, the old Roper of grandmother's is still in the basement of
the farm house here as the second oven for gatherings and the backup for
power outages. It's still fully functional and truthfully bakes
pastries/bread/etc., better than the new range...

I'm in agreement for trying to keep the one you got; it's probably doable.

--

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:28:12 -0400, "Norm A. Brams"
wrote:

On 7/3/2012 2:16 AM, tjreiter wrote:
Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes
about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my
stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come
on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle.

Thanks a mil!


Okeefe Merritt? Never heard of 'em and I'll bet you'll prolly never find
parts for it either.

McLowe's Depot is having an appliance sale this weekend. They have free
delivery and they'll even cart away your old hunkajunk.

Sir, you have no sense of style and class. O'Keefe & Merritt made
fine stoves that are sought by collectors. Parts are still available
from
http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/pages/parts/partso'keefe.html


The OP has a 1916 home and a vintage stove will look good and perform
as well as most new stoves. If you followed the links, you'll see
that you would lose that bet on parts availability.

Take a few minutes and learn what the past has to offer. New does not
always mean better.

On 7/3/2012 11:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Sir, you have no sense of style and class. O'Keefe& Merritt made
fine stoves that are sought by collectors. Parts are still available
from
http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/pages/parts/partso'keefe.html


I have to agree with Norm. If these stoves are so great, why is the
company out of business?


The OP has a 1916 home and a vintage stove will look good and perform
as well as most new stoves. If you followed the links, you'll see
that you would lose that bet on parts availability.

Take a few minutes and learn what the past has to offer. New does not
always mean better.

Thanks but I prefer a Whirlpool Accubake convection range.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:59:31 -0400, Saul Bloom
wrote:

On 7/3/2012 11:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Sir, you have no sense of style and class. O'Keefe& Merritt made
fine stoves that are sought by collectors. Parts are still available
from
http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/pages/parts/partso'keefe.html


I have to agree with Norm. If these stoves are so great, why is the
company out of business?


Like many companies, owners die, they are sold from one conglomerate
to another Frigidare lives on in name only, a tiny fraction of the
quality it was when GM owned the brand. O & M went bankrupt and the
assets were bought by Tappan around 1980 or so. Tappan became part of
WCI (White Consolidated Industries) that changed names to Frigidare
and was bought by Husqevarna and is now Electrolux. They also ate up
Norge, White, Westinghouse, Crosely and a few others.





Thanks but I prefer a Whirlpool Accubake convection range.

Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O
& M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend
sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the
burners are no better and the style does not fit in some houses.

Whirlpool used to be the Nineteen Hundred Corporation. They have
acquired other bands and sell under about a dozen names. Amana,
Kitchen
Air, Estate, Indlis, Roper and others.

On 7/4/2012 1:12 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:59:31 -0400, Saul Bloom
wrote:

Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O
& M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend
sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the
burners are no better and the style does not fit in some houses.

Whirlpool used to be the Nineteen Hundred Corporation. They have
acquired other bands and sell under about a dozen names. Amana,
Kitchen
Air, Estate, Indlis, Roper and others.


And all the Maytag names are now owned by Whirlpool too. Not to mention
the millions of Kenmores that were made by Whirlpool...

On 7/4/2012 7:16 AM, Duesenberg wrote:

Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O
& M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend
sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the

Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old
stove from the 30s.

LOL! You're prolly one of those folks that has a crank style phone on
the wall of your kitchen right where the phone guy installed it back in
1952. Did you know they make em cordless now so you can walk around the
house and talk?

On 7/4/2012 12:00 PM, Fred wrote:
....

Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old
stove from the 30s.
....

To each his own...appreciation of the past is a dying art it seems...

(And yes, there is still a corded phone on the wall and still do have
the old crank one as well, but it is now a collector's item only and
there is a wireless phone my wife uses but I detest and don't...)

--

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:00:11 -0400, Fred wrote:

On 7/4/2012 7:16 AM, Duesenberg wrote:

Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O
& M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend
sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the

Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old
stove from the 30s.



Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality
appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and
you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but
those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design
for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and
better.

Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out
your uneducated ass.


LOL! You're prolly one of those folks that has a crank style phone on
the wall of your kitchen right where the phone guy installed it back in
1952. Did you know they make em cordless now so you can walk around the
house and talk?

And there are better quality wired phone than the portable stuff too.
Yes, I do have a Motorola Atrix, but at home, I still go to the corded
phone with the higher quality handset. You really can't beat them for
both hearing and speaking.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality
appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and
you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but
those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design
for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and
better.

Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out
your uneducated ass.


I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run.

For example, my EnergyStar washer uses 1/3 the water that the old machine consumed.
This translates into lower energy bills to heat the water, less salt for the water softener and finally a lower municipal water
bill.
It's a big win-win-win!

The EnergyStar ranges return similar results. Convection ovens bake faster so they are not on as long. They are also insulated
better so they don't heat up your house as much with the added bonus of lower air conditioning bills.

EnergyStar refrigerators are a no-brainer money saver as well.

But the bottom line is that at the end of the month, my uneducated ass has extra money to spend.

On 7/4/2012 2:40 PM, Andy Taylor wrote:

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality
appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and
you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but
those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design
for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and
better.

Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out
your uneducated ass.


I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run.

For example, my EnergyStar washer uses 1/3 the water that the old
machine consumed.
This translates into lower energy bills to heat the water, less salt for
the water softener and finally a lower municipal water bill.
It's a big win-win-win!

The EnergyStar ranges return similar results. Convection ovens bake
faster so they are not on as long. They are also insulated better so
they don't heat up your house as much with the added bonus of lower air
conditioning bills.

EnergyStar refrigerators are a no-brainer money saver as well.

But the bottom line is that at the end of the month, my uneducated ass
has extra money to spend.

Yah, the old luddites around here are still using incandescent light
bulbs too. ROFLMAO!

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 14:40:56 -0400, "Andy Taylor"
wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality
appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and
you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but
those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design
for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and
better.

Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out
your uneducated ass.


I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run.

For example, my EnergyStar washer uses 1/3 the water that the old machine consumed.
This translates into lower energy bills to heat the water, less salt for the water softener and finally a lower municipal water
bill.
It's a big win-win-win!

The EnergyStar ranges return similar results. Convection ovens bake faster so they are not on as long. They are also insulated
better so they don't heat up your house as much with the added bonus of lower air conditioning bills.

EnergyStar refrigerators are a no-brainer money saver as well.

But the bottom line is that at the end of the month, my uneducated ass has extra money to spend.


You are partly correct. Agree on the washing machines, dryers,
refrigerators. The oven may save a few pennies, but not much. You
save NOTHING on the burners when on. You either need the heat or you
don't and adjust the burner accordingly. You need a certain amount of
heat to cook an egg or boil water.

But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30
year old refrigerators.

On 7/4/2012 2:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
....

I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run.
....

You are partly correct. Agree on the washing machines, dryers,
refrigerators. The oven may save a few pennies, but not much. You
save NOTHING on the burners when on. You either need the heat or you
don't and adjust the burner accordingly. You need a certain amount of
heat to cook an egg or boil water.

But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30
year old refrigerators.

Assuming they last long enough w/o expensive repair that's a resounding
"maybe"...what I've observed in reviews and in conversation w/ folks who
have upgraded is they're having a tremendous amount of service calls and
trouble w/ even something that should be essentially drop-dead simple of
a refrigerator--aunt has been through three and an untold number of
processor boards on one that continually freezes the vegetable bins and
melts the ice cream at the same time. Service guy says when asked
what's better to replace it with says he works on everything pretty much
even-handed--none don't have problems of one kind or another and there's
not a lot to choose between according to him.

Reviews on new washing machines are almost universally terrible
afic(ould)t when researching that in preparation of replacing the 30+-yr
old one that did finally get to the point of no longer being worthwhile
to repair. The new one is somewhat less of a water user, granted; but I
certainly can't tell the difference on the well power usage from it with
the other usage and it wasn't inexpensive for even a fairly moderately
low-featured one. It'll have to wait for quite some time (as in years)
before there would be any chance whatever to tell if it really even
would break even in comparison to what would have been and
equivalent-to-the-one-it-replaced in cost and features but I'm not
expecting it to be a clearcut obvious winner, no...maybe it'll surprise
me, but it would seem to be that it would be the rare reliable one if it
were to last that long.

I'm not yet convinced if one had the overall complete life cycle costs
there's a terrible lot of saving actually going on...

--

"Harvey Specter" wrote in message eb.com...
..

Yah, the old luddites around here are still using incandescent light
bulbs too. ROFLMAO!


Good point!

On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:17:40 -0500, dpb wrote:




But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30
year old refrigerators.

Assuming they last long enough w/o expensive repair that's a resounding
"maybe"...what I've observed in reviews and in conversation w/ folks who
have upgraded is they're having a tremendous amount of service calls and
trouble w/ even something that should be essentially drop-dead simple of
a refrigerator--aunt has been through three and an untold number of
processor boards on one that continually freezes the vegetable bins and
melts the ice cream at the same time. Service guy says when asked
what's better to replace it with says he works on everything pretty much
even-handed--none don't have problems of one kind or another and there's
not a lot to choose between according to him.


A few years ago, we replaced our "second" refrigerator, a 12 cu. ft
from the 1960's or so. The new model was an 18 cu. ft. frost free.
The electric bill dropped $10 a month. This is your basic
refrigerator though, the fanciest thing being frost free. The new
models that sport all sorts of electronics scare me a bit. I don't
need to have an internet connection on the fridge.

Our newish washer and dryer have dial controls as opposed to a lot of
digital stuff.

Our range is convection, but no electronics. Energy Star is only
practical in the summer. In the winter, I'm heating the house anyway
so if it comes from the oven rather than the heating boiler, so what?
It is not wasted. In summer, if you are using the oven and running
Ac, it may make a difference. We use the grill anyway most of the
time.

On 7/4/2012 4:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:17:40 -0500, wrote:
....
But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30
year old refrigerators.

Assuming they last long enough w/o expensive repair that's a resounding
"maybe"...what I've observed in reviews and in conversation w/ folks who
have upgraded is they're having a tremendous amount of service calls and
trouble ...

A few years ago, we replaced our "second" refrigerator, a 12 cu. ft
from the 1960's or so. The new model was an 18 cu. ft. frost free.
The electric bill dropped $10 a month. This is your basic
refrigerator though, the fanciest thing being frost free. The new
models that sport all sorts of electronics scare me a bit. I don't
need to have an internet connection on the fridge.
....

OK, so that was what, roughly $500? So, maybe it'll break even in five
years and if it lasts another 5 you'll have enough to have replaced it
but it'll likely be 20-50% more by then so let's guess 7. Now, we're to
the point that if you get more than 12 years w/ no service you're
finally potentially ahead of the one that was 30 and probably would last
that additional 10-12 having gone as long as it did already.

I'm just saying that I really don't think the actual overall net savings
is what DOE would like to claim it is. I wouldn't go so far as to say
to buy a 30 yr fridge when it's time for a new one but if the old one's
still running I'm keeping it until it isn't. (I am going to keep the
coils reasonably clean, air space around it away from the walls, etc.,
etc., etc., ...)

--

On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 at 10:00:11 AM UTC-7, Fred wrote:
On 7/4/2012 7:16 AM, Duesenberg wrote:

Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O
& M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend
sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the

Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old
stove from the 30s.

LOL! You're prolly one of those folks that has a crank style phone on
the wall of your kitchen right where the phone guy installed it back in
1952. Did you know they make em cordless now so you can walk around the
house and talk?

Prolly? Learn to spell, you idiot. We have an O & M that is superior to anything on the market under 5 grand. I'm a good cook and know my way around a kitchen. And, yes, we have 3 Ipads, 2 PCs, a fully integrated cordless phone system and the best router on the market. So, try to expand your awareness and sense of decorum.