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OKeefe Merritt Stove won't heat up
Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle.
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On 7/3/2012 2:16 AM, tjreiter wrote:
Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle. Thanks a mil! Okeefe Merritt? Never heard of 'em and I'll bet you'll prolly never find parts for it either. McLowe's Depot is having an appliance sale this weekend. They have free delivery and they'll even cart away your old hunkajunk. |
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On 7/3/2012 5:28 PM, Norm A. Brams wrote:
On 7/3/2012 2:16 AM, tjreiter wrote: Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle. Thanks a mil! Okeefe Merritt? Never heard of 'em and I'll bet you'll prolly never find parts for it either. McLowe's Depot is having an appliance sale this weekend. They have free delivery and they'll even cart away your old hunkajunk. O'Keefe and Merritt went outta bidness in late 1970's or very early 1980's. Electrolux bought the company that bought the factory that made O'Keefe's in Los Angeles. O'Keefe and Merritt from the 1960's and earlier are considered vintage and antique so it may be worth the OP's time to either fix the stove or sell it to a collector. I know this because a friend wanted me to help him sell (move) a late 1940's O'Keefe 6 burner blue colour porecelin stove about 6 or 7 years ago. It was a 6 hour drive to deliver the stove to a bed and breakfast inn that had a late 1940's decoration theme, and the money he got, paid for a new stove, fridge, and dishwasher. Maybe Electrolux is of help for later models... |
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On 7/3/2012 1:16 AM, tjreiter wrote:
Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle. Thanks a mil! .... You probably need at a minimum a thermostat rebuild and perhaps the control/safety valve as well. There are folks who specialize in old appliances--here's one altho I don't have any specific knowledge of them it's representative of what you can find if you look. If you're handy enough, you could potentially replace the thermostat yourself altho you'll then also have to calibrate the knob/control to go with it... http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/ As an aside, the old Roper of grandmother's is still in the basement of the farm house here as the second oven for gatherings and the backup for power outages. It's still fully functional and truthfully bakes pastries/bread/etc., better than the new range... I'm in agreement for trying to keep the one you got; it's probably doable. -- |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:28:12 -0400, "Norm A. Brams"
wrote: On 7/3/2012 2:16 AM, tjreiter wrote: Oven pilot is on, but I cannot adjust temp. It is very low. It takes about 2 hours to cook bisquits! Please help. I really want to keep my stove as I bought it for my 1916 craftsman. The broiler does not come on, but all the stove top parts work great, including griddle. Thanks a mil! Okeefe Merritt? Never heard of 'em and I'll bet you'll prolly never find parts for it either. McLowe's Depot is having an appliance sale this weekend. They have free delivery and they'll even cart away your old hunkajunk. Sir, you have no sense of style and class. O'Keefe & Merritt made fine stoves that are sought by collectors. Parts are still available from http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/pages/parts/partso'keefe.html The OP has a 1916 home and a vintage stove will look good and perform as well as most new stoves. If you followed the links, you'll see that you would lose that bet on parts availability. Take a few minutes and learn what the past has to offer. New does not always mean better. |
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On 7/3/2012 11:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Sir, you have no sense of style and class. O'Keefe& Merritt made fine stoves that are sought by collectors. Parts are still available from http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/pages/parts/partso'keefe.html I have to agree with Norm. If these stoves are so great, why is the company out of business? The OP has a 1916 home and a vintage stove will look good and perform as well as most new stoves. If you followed the links, you'll see that you would lose that bet on parts availability. Take a few minutes and learn what the past has to offer. New does not always mean better. Thanks but I prefer a Whirlpool Accubake convection range. |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:59:31 -0400, Saul Bloom
wrote: On 7/3/2012 11:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Sir, you have no sense of style and class. O'Keefe& Merritt made fine stoves that are sought by collectors. Parts are still available from http://www.antiquegasstoves.com/pages/parts/partso'keefe.html I have to agree with Norm. If these stoves are so great, why is the company out of business? Like many companies, owners die, they are sold from one conglomerate to another Frigidare lives on in name only, a tiny fraction of the quality it was when GM owned the brand. O & M went bankrupt and the assets were bought by Tappan around 1980 or so. Tappan became part of WCI (White Consolidated Industries) that changed names to Frigidare and was bought by Husqevarna and is now Electrolux. They also ate up Norge, White, Westinghouse, Crosely and a few others. Thanks but I prefer a Whirlpool Accubake convection range. Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O & M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the burners are no better and the style does not fit in some houses. Whirlpool used to be the Nineteen Hundred Corporation. They have acquired other bands and sell under about a dozen names. Amana, Kitchen Air, Estate, Indlis, Roper and others. |
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On 7/4/2012 1:12 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 23:59:31 -0400, Saul Bloom wrote: Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O & M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the burners are no better and the style does not fit in some houses. Whirlpool used to be the Nineteen Hundred Corporation. They have acquired other bands and sell under about a dozen names. Amana, Kitchen Air, Estate, Indlis, Roper and others. And all the Maytag names are now owned by Whirlpool too. Not to mention the millions of Kenmores that were made by Whirlpool... |
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On 7/4/2012 7:16 AM, Duesenberg wrote:
Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O & M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old stove from the 30s. LOL! You're prolly one of those folks that has a crank style phone on the wall of your kitchen right where the phone guy installed it back in 1952. Did you know they make em cordless now so you can walk around the house and talk? |
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On 7/4/2012 12:00 PM, Fred wrote:
.... Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old stove from the 30s. .... To each his own...appreciation of the past is a dying art it seems... (And yes, there is still a corded phone on the wall and still do have the old crank one as well, but it is now a collector's item only and there is a wireless phone my wife uses but I detest and don't...) -- |
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 13:00:11 -0400, Fred wrote:
On 7/4/2012 7:16 AM, Duesenberg wrote: Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O & M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old stove from the 30s. Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and better. Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out your uneducated ass. LOL! You're prolly one of those folks that has a crank style phone on the wall of your kitchen right where the phone guy installed it back in 1952. Did you know they make em cordless now so you can walk around the house and talk? And there are better quality wired phone than the portable stuff too. Yes, I do have a Motorola Atrix, but at home, I still go to the corded phone with the higher quality handset. You really can't beat them for both hearing and speaking. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and better. Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out your uneducated ass. I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run. For example, my EnergyStar washer uses 1/3 the water that the old machine consumed. This translates into lower energy bills to heat the water, less salt for the water softener and finally a lower municipal water bill. It's a big win-win-win! The EnergyStar ranges return similar results. Convection ovens bake faster so they are not on as long. They are also insulated better so they don't heat up your house as much with the added bonus of lower air conditioning bills. EnergyStar refrigerators are a no-brainer money saver as well. But the bottom line is that at the end of the month, my uneducated ass has extra money to spend. |
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On 7/4/2012 2:40 PM, Andy Taylor wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and better. Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out your uneducated ass. I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run. For example, my EnergyStar washer uses 1/3 the water that the old machine consumed. This translates into lower energy bills to heat the water, less salt for the water softener and finally a lower municipal water bill. It's a big win-win-win! The EnergyStar ranges return similar results. Convection ovens bake faster so they are not on as long. They are also insulated better so they don't heat up your house as much with the added bonus of lower air conditioning bills. EnergyStar refrigerators are a no-brainer money saver as well. But the bottom line is that at the end of the month, my uneducated ass has extra money to spend. Yah, the old luddites around here are still using incandescent light bulbs too. ROFLMAO! |
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On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 14:40:56 -0400, "Andy Taylor"
wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Good, that keeps the prices down for those that appreciate a quality appliance. Compare that old stuff to the mass market crap today and you may be surprised. Yes, the convection ovens today are better, but those old burners could put out lots of heat and had a rugged design for the grates on top. Metal was thicker, coatings were thicker and better. Until you actually look at one and use one, you are just talking out your uneducated ass. I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run. For example, my EnergyStar washer uses 1/3 the water that the old machine consumed. This translates into lower energy bills to heat the water, less salt for the water softener and finally a lower municipal water bill. It's a big win-win-win! The EnergyStar ranges return similar results. Convection ovens bake faster so they are not on as long. They are also insulated better so they don't heat up your house as much with the added bonus of lower air conditioning bills. EnergyStar refrigerators are a no-brainer money saver as well. But the bottom line is that at the end of the month, my uneducated ass has extra money to spend. You are partly correct. Agree on the washing machines, dryers, refrigerators. The oven may save a few pennies, but not much. You save NOTHING on the burners when on. You either need the heat or you don't and adjust the burner accordingly. You need a certain amount of heat to cook an egg or boil water. But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30 year old refrigerators. |
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On 7/4/2012 2:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
.... I've found that EnergyStar rated appliances save money in the long run. .... You are partly correct. Agree on the washing machines, dryers, refrigerators. The oven may save a few pennies, but not much. You save NOTHING on the burners when on. You either need the heat or you don't and adjust the burner accordingly. You need a certain amount of heat to cook an egg or boil water. But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30 year old refrigerators. Assuming they last long enough w/o expensive repair that's a resounding "maybe"...what I've observed in reviews and in conversation w/ folks who have upgraded is they're having a tremendous amount of service calls and trouble w/ even something that should be essentially drop-dead simple of a refrigerator--aunt has been through three and an untold number of processor boards on one that continually freezes the vegetable bins and melts the ice cream at the same time. Service guy says when asked what's better to replace it with says he works on everything pretty much even-handed--none don't have problems of one kind or another and there's not a lot to choose between according to him. Reviews on new washing machines are almost universally terrible afic(ould)t when researching that in preparation of replacing the 30+-yr old one that did finally get to the point of no longer being worthwhile to repair. The new one is somewhat less of a water user, granted; but I certainly can't tell the difference on the well power usage from it with the other usage and it wasn't inexpensive for even a fairly moderately low-featured one. It'll have to wait for quite some time (as in years) before there would be any chance whatever to tell if it really even would break even in comparison to what would have been and equivalent-to-the-one-it-replaced in cost and features but I'm not expecting it to be a clearcut obvious winner, no...maybe it'll surprise me, but it would seem to be that it would be the rare reliable one if it were to last that long. I'm not yet convinced if one had the overall complete life cycle costs there's a terrible lot of saving actually going on... -- |
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"Harvey Specter" wrote in message eb.com... .. Yah, the old luddites around here are still using incandescent light bulbs too. ROFLMAO! Good point! |
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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:17:40 -0500, dpb wrote:
But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30 year old refrigerators. Assuming they last long enough w/o expensive repair that's a resounding "maybe"...what I've observed in reviews and in conversation w/ folks who have upgraded is they're having a tremendous amount of service calls and trouble w/ even something that should be essentially drop-dead simple of a refrigerator--aunt has been through three and an untold number of processor boards on one that continually freezes the vegetable bins and melts the ice cream at the same time. Service guy says when asked what's better to replace it with says he works on everything pretty much even-handed--none don't have problems of one kind or another and there's not a lot to choose between according to him. A few years ago, we replaced our "second" refrigerator, a 12 cu. ft from the 1960's or so. The new model was an 18 cu. ft. frost free. The electric bill dropped $10 a month. This is your basic refrigerator though, the fanciest thing being frost free. The new models that sport all sorts of electronics scare me a bit. I don't need to have an internet connection on the fridge. Our newish washer and dryer have dial controls as opposed to a lot of digital stuff. Our range is convection, but no electronics. Energy Star is only practical in the summer. In the winter, I'm heating the house anyway so if it comes from the oven rather than the heating boiler, so what? It is not wasted. In summer, if you are using the oven and running Ac, it may make a difference. We use the grill anyway most of the time. |
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On 7/4/2012 4:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:17:40 -0500, wrote: .... But we were talking ranges, not other appliances. Yes, get rid of 30 year old refrigerators. Assuming they last long enough w/o expensive repair that's a resounding "maybe"...what I've observed in reviews and in conversation w/ folks who have upgraded is they're having a tremendous amount of service calls and trouble ... A few years ago, we replaced our "second" refrigerator, a 12 cu. ft from the 1960's or so. The new model was an 18 cu. ft. frost free. The electric bill dropped $10 a month. This is your basic refrigerator though, the fanciest thing being frost free. The new models that sport all sorts of electronics scare me a bit. I don't need to have an internet connection on the fridge. .... OK, so that was what, roughly $500? So, maybe it'll break even in five years and if it lasts another 5 you'll have enough to have replaced it but it'll likely be 20-50% more by then so let's guess 7. Now, we're to the point that if you get more than 12 years w/ no service you're finally potentially ahead of the one that was 30 and probably would last that additional 10-12 having gone as long as it did already. I'm just saying that I really don't think the actual overall net savings is what DOE would like to claim it is. I wouldn't go so far as to say to buy a 30 yr fridge when it's time for a new one but if the old one's still running I'm keeping it until it isn't. (I am going to keep the coils reasonably clean, air space around it away from the walls, etc., etc., etc., ...) -- |
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On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 at 10:00:11 AM UTC-7, Fred wrote:
On 7/4/2012 7:16 AM, Duesenberg wrote: Well good for you. My point was though, that fixing a good quality O & M range is a better choice than most stoves that are on the weekend sale at Lowes. The convection oven may be a bit better, but the Are you kidding me? I'd rather have a $49 Walmart microwave than an old stove from the 30s. LOL! You're prolly one of those folks that has a crank style phone on the wall of your kitchen right where the phone guy installed it back in 1952. Did you know they make em cordless now so you can walk around the house and talk? Prolly? Learn to spell, you idiot. We have an O & M that is superior to anything on the market under 5 grand. I'm a good cook and know my way around a kitchen. And, yes, we have 3 Ipads, 2 PCs, a fully integrated cordless phone system and the best router on the market. So, try to expand your awareness and sense of decorum. |
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