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White, no black, is the new stainless
"Is this the end of a 25-year run for stainless steel? Major manufacturers
are placing bets on different potential successors to the shiny, upscale appliance finish, whose resilience surprised many." Maybe avocado? Rocky Road? Meat? http://realestate.msn.com/what-comes-after-stainless |
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On 10/18/2012 05:42 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article , wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:33:32 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: "Is this the end of a 25-year run for stainless steel? Major manufacturers are placing bets on different potential successors to the shiny, upscale appliance finish, whose resilience surprised many." Maybe avocado? Rocky Road? Meat? http://realestate.msn.com/what-comes-after-stainless Stainless will be around a while because it holds up well. Paint chips and fades. Stainless is still stainless. Unless someone is going to replace everything in the kitchen, they will want to match what they have. people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck smart appliance makers would just sell appliques to change the appearance of any appliance Useta be that at least dishwashers you could replace the panel in the front, the maker would give you a couple choices but there was nothing stopping you from buying a sheet of stainless steel and painting it any color you wanted. Or insert a sheet of wood veneer to match your cabinets (haven't seen that done in years though.) That replaceable front actually seems to be LESS common today... nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:42:32 -0700, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
wrote: In article , wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:33:32 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: "Is this the end of a 25-year run for stainless steel? Major manufacturers are placing bets on different potential successors to the shiny, upscale appliance finish, whose resilience surprised many." Maybe avocado? Rocky Road? Meat? http://realestate.msn.com/what-comes-after-stainless Stainless will be around a while because it holds up well. Paint chips and fades. Stainless is still stainless. Unless someone is going to replace everything in the kitchen, they will want to match what they have. people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? Any wall covering goes with black, white, or stainless appliances. If you bought a cerise refrigerator it would clash with next year's green paint. I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck If you want to replace them every time you paint, go ahead. smart appliance makers would just sell appliques to change the appearance of any appliance They do. They make appliance with tracks to add panels to match cabinets. Most don't buy them, so... |
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Appliance manufacturers are only going to increase the selection of colours or finishes they make their appliances in with reluctance. That's because the more colours you make your appliances in, the more parts you have to keep in stock in your warehouse. And, the more you have to charge for your appliances to cover that increased cost.
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HeyBub wrote:
"Is this the end of a 25-year run for stainless steel? Major manufacturers are placing bets on different potential successors to the shiny, upscale appliance finish, whose resilience surprised many." Maybe avocado? Rocky Road? Meat? Oooo...can we have burnt orange? -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 06:30:51 +0000, nestork
wrote: Appliance manufacturers are only going to increase the selection of colours or finishes they make their appliances in with reluctance. That's because the more colours you make your appliances in, the more parts you have to keep in stock in your warehouse. And, the more you have to charge for your appliances to cover that increased cost. Right. They usually offer some models with replaceable cover panels so you can do what you want with them. I think everyone has seen enough harvest gold and avocado appliances (we had one of each in our first house). |
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Nate Nagel wrote:
On 10/18/2012 05:42 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote: In article , wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:33:32 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: "Is this the end of a 25-year run for stainless steel? Major manufacturers are placing bets on different potential successors to the shiny, upscale appliance finish, whose resilience surprised many." Maybe avocado? Rocky Road? Meat? http://realestate.msn.com/what-comes-after-stainless Stainless will be around a while because it holds up well. Paint chips and fades. Stainless is still stainless. Unless someone is going to replace everything in the kitchen, they will want to match what they have. people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck smart appliance makers would just sell appliques to change the appearance of any appliance Useta be that at least dishwashers you could replace the panel in the front, the maker would give you a couple choices but there was nothing stopping you from buying a sheet of stainless steel and painting it any color you wanted. Or insert a sheet of wood veneer to match your cabinets (haven't seen that done in years though.) That replaceable front actually seems to be LESS common today... Replaceable fronts add about thirty-eight cents to the manufacturing costs. |
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dadiOH wrote:
HeyBub wrote: "Is this the end of a 25-year run for stainless steel? Major manufacturers are placing bets on different potential successors to the shiny, upscale appliance finish, whose resilience surprised many." Maybe avocado? Rocky Road? Meat? Oooo...can we have burnt orange? Thinking on it, I don't see why not. Rustoleum comes in a wide variety of colors... |
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White, no black, is the new stainless
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nestork wrote: Appliance manufacturers are only going to increase the selection of colours or finishes they make their appliances in with reluctance. That's because the more colours you make your appliances in, the more parts you have to keep in stock in your warehouse. And, the more you have to charge for your appliances to cover that increased cost. strange. I can buy a new color and order it in just about any color and neither the factory or a repair shop complain about stocking charges |
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White, no black, is the new stainless
On 10/18/2012 02:33 PM, Arthur Shapiro wrote:
In article , wrote: Stainless will be around a while because it holds up well. Paint chips and fades. Stainless is still stainless I have to disagree. "They" are making stainless so cheaply these days that it rusts. I'm sure there are ultra-premium exceptions, but there are plenty of reports of people having trouble with their SS appliances rusting. My own Whirlpool stove is a disaster in this respect. I just had a new Maytag refrigerator delivered yesterday, and chose black over SS for just this reason. The whole appeal for stainless was due to the fact that high end remodels were using commercial kitchen equipment. This cost a lot of money, but you got commercial quality. Eventually this got diluted into the desire for nothing more than stainless as a "look", with the inevitable lowering of the price point, and cheaply-built appliances using cheap "stainless". Now that people are "discovering" this obvious fact, they would rather have a painted appliance that is made well than a POS in a "stainless" box. Jon |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:12:48 -0700, Jon Danniken
wrote: On 10/18/2012 02:33 PM, Arthur Shapiro wrote: In article , wrote: Stainless will be around a while because it holds up well. Paint chips and fades. Stainless is still stainless I have to disagree. "They" are making stainless so cheaply these days that it rusts. I'm sure there are ultra-premium exceptions, but there are plenty of reports of people having trouble with their SS appliances rusting. My own Whirlpool stove is a disaster in this respect. I just had a new Maytag refrigerator delivered yesterday, and chose black over SS for just this reason. The whole appeal for stainless was due to the fact that high end remodels were using commercial kitchen equipment. This cost a lot of money, but you got commercial quality. "Commercial quality" isn't all that useful in a residential setting. Eventually this got diluted into the desire for nothing more than stainless as a "look", with the inevitable lowering of the price point, and cheaply-built appliances using cheap "stainless". Some. You get what you pay for. Now that people are "discovering" this obvious fact, they would rather have a painted appliance that is made well than a POS in a "stainless" box. Utter nonsense. We'd have nothing but stainless (and granite, for that matter) in the kitchen. Painted appliances suck. |
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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? Yep. All black works. See: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/201...=realestate#10 I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck Not only will they not be timeless, they require you to buy all from the same manufacturer if you want them to match. As the color choices will change with the years, if you need to replace one, and you want to keep them matching, you will have to replace all three. Only black, white and stainless allow you to mix manufacturers and have no problem replacing one later. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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What mass produced item can you buy in any colour you like without a surcharge being added for the custom colour? Last edited by nestork : October 20th 12 at 02:45 AM |
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White, no black, is the new stainless
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Don Wiss wrote: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? Yep. All black works. See: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/201...OTMNYC.html?re f=realestate#10 I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck Not only will they not be timeless, they require you to buy all from the same manufacturer if you want them to match. As the color choices will change with the years, if you need to replace one, and you want to keep them matching, you will have to replace all three. Only black, white and stainless allow you to mix manufacturers and have no problem replacing one later. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). so you are saying that all black appliances are the same black and all white appliances are all the same white no matter who makes them? |
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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
In article Don Wiss wrote: Only black, white and stainless allow you to mix manufacturers and have no problem replacing one later. so you are saying that all black appliances are the same black and all white appliances are all the same white no matter who makes them? Well, the chance of them matching close enough is far greater than trying to match any other color. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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Don Wiss wrote:
"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? Yep. All black works. See: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/201...=realestate#10 I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck Not only will they not be timeless, they require you to buy all from the same manufacturer if you want them to match. As the color choices will change with the years, if you need to replace one, and you want to keep them matching, you will have to replace all three. Don't think so. You can have the appliances re-painted at an auto paint shop. |
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White, no black, is the new stainless
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"HeyBub" wrote: Don Wiss wrote: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? Yep. All black works. See: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/201...1-OTMNYC.html? ref=realestate#10 I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck Not only will they not be timeless, they require you to buy all from the same manufacturer if you want them to match. As the color choices will change with the years, if you need to replace one, and you want to keep them matching, you will have to replace all three. Don't think so. You can have the appliances re-painted at an auto paint shop. or in home refinishing ala bathtubs |
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Don Wiss wrote: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: In article Don Wiss wrote: Only black, white and stainless allow you to mix manufacturers and have no problem replacing one later. so you are saying that all black appliances are the same black and all white appliances are all the same white no matter who makes them? Well, the chance of them matching close enough is far greater than trying to match any other color. why? I can go to most any paint store and have them color match |
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Yes, you can paint all sides of a fridge and probably both sides of a stove, but a house paint or an automotive paint won't stand up on the cooktop of a stove. (I'm talking about between and around the surface elements on the stove, not the stove console where the knobs are.) House paints and automotive paints just won't stand up to that kind of heat without discolouring and getting soft so that sliding a hot pot across the cook top will make a mess of the soft discoloured paint. You don't need to know the rest: Stove cook tops are "powder coated", not painted. Powder coatings are a very common kind of coating that the Australians pioneered. In powder coating, a mixture of plastic resins and coloured pigments are electrostatically sprayed onto a metal object. The electric charge on the metal object attracts the charged resin and pigment particles so that you get a uniform thickness of powder all over the metal. That metal object is then baked in an oven so that the plastic particles melt and fuse together into a continuous film with the coloured pigments suspended inside that film, thereby creating a smooth coloured coating over the metal object. When that film cools down, it's typically about three times as hard and very much more heat, moisture and chemically resistant than any field applied coating, like epoxy paints. Generally, the harder the plastic resins that are used, the higher the baking temperature has to be to melt them and the harder the resulting coating when it cools. Powder coatings baked at over about 700 deg. F are commonly called "porcelain enamels" instead of powder coatings just to denote their greater hardness and durability. But, the process of electrostatically spraying and then baking is exactly the same regardless of what you call it. You have lots of powder coatings in your house; an enameled steel bathtub is powder coated; same with the "glass lining" on the inside of your water heater's tank. And, if you have a "painted" metal bar-b-que in your back yard, that "paint" will be a powder coating too. The hardest powder coating in your house is likely to be the bluish gray coating on the inside of your stove's oven. It was baked on at about 1300 deg. F. No paint is going to be as hard and heat resistant as the powder coating that's on your stove's cooktop. So, how can you paint your other appliances any colour OTHER than the colour of your stove's cook top and still have them match? The only semi-feasible way to paint your appliance a new colour would be to have your stove's cooktop sand blasted to remove the existing powder coating and then have it powder coated a different colour. Then, take that new cooktop to the paint store and have them mix up a paint to match that colour. My understanding is that the front panels of oven doors are also powder coated because the same panels are used on both regular and self cleaning ranges. I have a stove where the painted panels are discoloured yellow because of cigarette smoke, but the powder coated surfaces remain white. And, the oven door on that stove is still white, so it's gotta be powder coated. I don't know if the side panels of self cleaning ranges are painted or powder coated. The side panels on that stained stove are discoloured yellow, which to me means their painted. http://www.porcelainenamel.com Last edited by nestork : October 21st 12 at 06:32 AM |
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Don Wiss wrote: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: people paint their walls all sorts of colors and yet the kitchen is supposed to be black, white or stainless? Yep. All black works. See: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/201...=realestate#10 I've seen kitchen appliances in bright primary colors and they looked sharp. Granted I don't think they will be as timeless as the above, but what the heck Not only will they not be timeless, they require you to buy all from the same manufacturer if you want them to match. As the color choices will change with the years, if you need to replace one, and you want to keep them matching, you will have to replace all three. Don't think so. You can have the appliances re-painted at an auto paint shop. Not durable. You need baked enamel. probaly cost $300 minimum to paint at auto shop. Greg |
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Arthur Shapiro wrote:
In article , wrote: Stainless will be around a while because it holds up well. Paint chips and fades. Stainless is still stainless I have to disagree. "They" are making stainless so cheaply these days that it rusts. I'm sure there are ultra-premium exceptions, but there are plenty of reports of people having trouble with their SS appliances rusting. My own Whirlpool stove is a disaster in this respect. I just had a new Maytag refrigerator delivered yesterday, and chose black over SS for just this reason. Art My microwave and washer are stainless. White on the outside. Greg |
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"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote:
Don Wiss wrote: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: In article Don Wiss wrote: Only black, white and stainless allow you to mix manufacturers and have no problem replacing one later. so you are saying that all black appliances are the same black and all white appliances are all the same white no matter who makes them? Well, the chance of them matching close enough is far greater than trying to match any other color. why? I can go to most any paint store and have them color match You are going to paint your appliances!? Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:53:08 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote: Utter nonsense. We'd have nothing but stainless (and granite, for that matter) in the kitchen. Painted appliances suck. I wonder. I bet you could take your stove or dishwasher or refrigerator door to an auto painting shop and have a very durable finish put on. Your car doesn't scratch? I doubt I'd like the fumes from the oven. ;-) Some shops can even do pin-striping! (Probably costs extra, though.) That's it! Zebra striped appliances. "I couldn't decide on black or white..." |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:05:33 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote: I bet you could take your stove or dishwasher or refrigerator door to an auto painting shop and have a very durable finish put on. Your car doesn't scratch? I doubt I'd like the fumes from the oven. ;-) Well, yeah, but I'd bet the finish on a car is more durable than the finish on a range. *Very* doubtful, particularly the paint applied in a repair shop. A car has a LOT more environmental attacks than a dishwasher. It's clear that you've never had kids. ;-) |
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Don Wiss wrote: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: Don Wiss wrote: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" wrote: In article Don Wiss wrote: Only black, white and stainless allow you to mix manufacturers and have no problem replacing one later. so you are saying that all black appliances are the same black and all white appliances are all the same white no matter who makes them? Well, the chance of them matching close enough is far greater than trying to match any other color. why? I can go to most any paint store and have them color match You are going to paint your appliances!? Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). Why not? |
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"HeyBub" wrote:
zzzzzzzzzz wrote: I bet you could take your stove or dishwasher or refrigerator door to an auto painting shop and have a very durable finish put on. Your car doesn't scratch? I doubt I'd like the fumes from the oven. ;-) Well, yeah, but I'd bet the finish on a car is more durable than the finish on a range. A car has a LOT more environmental attacks than a dishwasher. Try the key test. It reminds me all these people are refinishing coke machines with mostly car paint. Used with hardner, it does get firm, but certainly not like a baked enamel finish, or powder coat. I got enameled pots, but car paint would not cut it. Greg |
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