[Stormin Mormon]

Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/



--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Learn more about Jesus

There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real.

[Stormin Mormon]

Sure, he is. I heard so, from the easter bunny.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Learn more about Jesus

There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real.

[Oren[_2_]]

On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:30:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Learn more about Jesus

There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real.

Lie. He has a brother named Jose.

Google Jesus.

[Oren[_2_]]

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Spit! A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA.

I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you won't be
allowed to have a circumcised goldfish. Sheez

(I imagine the ACLU sits this one out)

[Stormin Mormon]

I thought he runs a lawn mowing service?

He's related to that Theodore guy, they both answer when
called "Hey! Seuss!"
(Dr. Seuss name is Theodore Seuss Geisel, as memory
recalls....)

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:30:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Learn more about Jesus

There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real.

Lie. He has a brother named Jose.

Google Jesus.

[Stormin Mormon]

Bother! I was just going to have my goldfish circumcised.

Did you hear that Columbus circumcised the globe with a 100
foot clipper? Heard that on an email, about things kids
write.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Spit! A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA.

I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you
won't be
allowed to have a circumcised goldfish. Sheez

(I imagine the ACLU sits this one out)

[Home Guy]

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

If you have a problem,

if no one else can help,

and if you can find them,

maybe you can hire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBmzzb2Wdu4

[Kurt Ullman]

In article ,
wrote:

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Learn more about Jesus

There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real.

Of course he is. He was bowling in the next lane over (interestingly
enough) last Sunday./

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

[HeyBub[_3_]]

Oren wrote:
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Spit! A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA.

I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you won't be
allowed to have a circumcised goldfish. Sheez


That's strange. My instruction manual for circumcising a whale begins:

1. Recruit four skin divers...

[Bill[_9_]]

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/


Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be
connected to the power grid or can't live on his property!

Everybody should fight this tooth and nail.

[willshak]

Oren wrote the following:
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:30:21 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Learn more about Jesus
There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real.

Lie. He has a brother named Jose.

Google Jesus.


He had two brothers, Felipe and Matty.
All three played for the San Francisco Giants in 1963.



--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

[Bob_Villa]

On Sep 9, 5:56*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

(Dr. Seuss name is Theodore Seuss Geisel, as memory
recalls....)


Thanks for the aside...for us illiterates. Your attempt at humor is
at, one out of 50, at this point!

[Bob_Villa]

On Sep 10, 7:46*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Oren wrote:
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Aparently, yes.
* *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Spit! *A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA.

I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you won't be
allowed to have a circumcised *goldfish. Sheez

That's strange. My instruction manual for circumcising a whale begins:

1. Recruit four skin divers...

For Stormon, that would be: Recruit "fore-skin" divers...

[OilLamp]

On Sep 10, 9:07*am, "Bill" wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" *wrote in message
Aparently, yes.
* *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be
connected to the power grid or can't live on his property!

Everybody should fight this tooth and nail.

Folks that think the government is the solution to all of our problems
need to wake up.

They won't, but they need to.

[notbob]

On 2011-09-10, Bill wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/


Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be
connected to the power grid or can't live on his property!

Everybody should fight this tooth and nail.

Now you know why ALL govt buildings now have metal detectors.

nb

[(PeteCresswell)]

http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Made me think of the two movies: "Chinatown" and "The Two
Jakes".... only with some unspecified agenda instead of water.

--
PeteCresswell

[harry]

On Sep 9, 6:20*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
Aparently, yes.
* *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

Things are far worse over here in theUK.
Typical example.
http://www.walletpop.co.uk/2011/09/0...popular_on_aol

[Billy[_8_]]

In article
,
OilLamp wrote:

On Sep 10, 9:07*am, "Bill" wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" *wrote in message
Aparently, yes.
* *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be
connected to the power grid or can't live on his property!

Everybody should fight this tooth and nail.

Folks that think the government is the solution to all of our problems
need to wake up.

They won't, but they need to.

You mean corporate owned government, not representative government.
But it is a problem. Mexico went socialist in 1917, and the politicians
enriched themselves. Then in the 1970, when Mexico was deep in debt,
they went neo-liberal and sold everything that wasn't nailed down. The
politicians and their cronies bought the best at pennies on the dollar
(so to speak). Now the rich politicians are moving out of the country,
and leaving it to the narco-terrorists (probably more cronies).

Now they are shaking down school teachers for half their salaries.
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-wor...achers-face-th
reats-2161724.php

With a "public campaign finance law", we could take the country back,
but the corporations won't allow that.

³Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their
wealth.²
-Lucy Parsons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Parsons
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

[Oren[_2_]]

On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:35:30 -0700, Billy
wrote:

You mean corporate owned government, not representative government.

I cut your sly maneuver to cross post.

Are as sure about this as you are about non- intimidation by the Black
Panther Party?

Git a date!

[OilLamp]

On Sep 10, 4:35*pm, Billy wrote:
In article
,

*OilLamp wrote:
On Sep 10, 9:07*am, "Bill" wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" *wrote in message
Aparently, yes.
* *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be
connected to the power grid or can't live on his property!

Everybody should fight this tooth and nail.

Folks that think the government is the solution to all of our problems
need to wake up.

They won't, but they need to.

You mean corporate owned government, not representative government.
But it is a problem. Mexico went socialist in 1917, and the politicians
enriched themselves. Then in the 1970, when Mexico was deep in debt,
they went neo-liberal and sold everything that wasn't nailed down. The
politicians and their cronies bought the best at pennies on the dollar
(so to speak). Now the rich politicians are moving out of the country,
and leaving it to the narco-terrorists (probably more cronies).

Now they are shaking down school teachers for half their salaries.
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-wor...achers-face-th
reats-2161724.php

With a "public campaign finance law", we could take the country back,
but the corporations won't allow that.

³Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their
wealth.²
-Lucy Parsonshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Parsons
--
- Billy

Billy, I understand the confusion of thinking that LA County is in
Mexico.

[Another Dave]

On 10/09/2011 16:34, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

Made me think of the two movies: "Chinatown" and "The Two
Jakes".... only with some unspecified agenda instead of water.


I think "The Two Jakes" was about real estate. Originally there was
meant to be a trilogy with the third film addressing the LA public
transport system (it was sold to Ford and General Motors! who basically
shut it down). Some people think that "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" was that
film.

Another Dave

[cycjec]

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/


I can believe it. Julie Bass of Oak Park in $some_state was
threatened with 93 days in jail for growing vegetables on
her property. Granted, in the front yard. Which the town
had just dug up for something.

[HellT]

On 9/9/2011 12:20 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

It's not that they're going after people for living off the grid,
they're aggressively looking for and pursuing code violations. That's
a huge change from how the county treated this area in the past, when
they used to leave it the hell alone. But suddenly, they're all hot
about code enforcement, even in isolated areas.

There's a more detailed article about it he

http://www.laweekly.com/2011-06-23/n...roperty-war/5/

L.A. County's Private Property War
By Mars Melnicoff Thursday, Jun 23 2011

"...The crackdown, and the denial by some that a crackdown is under
way, have fueled speculation as to Antonovich's, Cooley's and the NAT
teams' motives. Residents suggest "they need to justify their jobs —
and fill their budget." Others fear a land grab for future development
plans. Bell calls that an "absurd" idea that he won't "validate" with
a response."

If you ask me, this probably wasn't motivated by planned future
development. Even in L.A. County, it's going to be a good five years
or more before the real estate market recovers to the point where
developing that far out would be considered.

I think the job justification is more likely on the mark, and
encouraged by the county's need to seek more revenue. The best way to
avoid having your department shrunk or shut down is to have it
bringing in revenue, and with the help of Google Earth and a few
private companies that contract with governments to provide detailed
map data, it has become much, much easier for governments to ferret
out code violations.

A lot of people have put in an outbuilding, or a pool or the like
without pulling the necessary permits. It used to be too
time-consuming to locate these and take action. Nowadays companies
sell current map data to counties and cities, who can easily scan the
images looking for anything on a property that doesn't match with the
county's or city's property description. When they find it, they come
a-knockin'. The property owner has a choice: get the permit or take it
down.

[John Gilmer[_3_]]

On 9/10/2011 9:07 AM, Bill wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/


Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be
connected to the power grid or can't live on his property!

Everybody should fight this tooth and nail.

That battle was lost LONG ago.

As cities and towns extended their borders they swallowed up homes that
drew water from dug and drilled wells.

Like it or not, the home owners were TOLD they had to connect with city
water and sewer or lose legal occupancy rights. The best folks could
(and only in some places) was to continue to draw "most" of their water
from the well.

"Grandfathering in" isn't a general and iron clad "right." Sometimes
you have to meet modern "standards" or more out.

It would not surprise me at all that a government owned power company
would have the law back up it's "right" to provide all the power in a
community. But best that "off grid" types can do is supplement city
power with some off-grid support.

But often governments require utilities (even city owned utilities to
purchase back excess off grid power at "retail" rates. (IOW: not have
separate meters for power coming and going.)

[NotMe]

"John Gilmer" wrote in message
net...
On 9/10/2011 9:07 AM, Bill wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/


Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be
connected to the power grid or can't live on his property!

Everybody should fight this tooth and nail.

That battle was lost LONG ago.

As cities and towns extended their borders they swallowed up homes that
drew water from dug and drilled wells.

Like it or not, the home owners were TOLD they had to connect with city
water and sewer or lose legal occupancy rights. The best folks could (and
only in some places) was to continue to draw "most" of their water from
the well.

"Grandfathering in" isn't a general and iron clad "right." Sometimes
you have to meet modern "standards" or more out.

It would not surprise me at all that a government owned power company
would have the law back up it's "right" to provide all the power in a
community. But best that "off grid" types can do is supplement city
power with some off-grid support.

But often governments require utilities (even city owned utilities to
purchase back excess off grid power at "retail" rates. (IOW: not have
separate meters for power coming and going.)

Most (all that I know of personally) run backwards when power is fed to the
grid. Quite common in Texas which has a net billing law.

Some areas have a law to block new water wells but typically not older
connections. However even these have ways to block on going use if by no
other means than they outlaw anything except minor maintenance.

Much depends on the local/state laws on water rights. In some areas the
home owner does not own rights to the rain water that falls on their roof.

We had property in the mountains of NC and TN that was located waaaay off
grid. One area said no water well but subsidized geo-thermal wells. So
when we needed a well the application said geo-thermal and not 'water'. We
received the permit with no problems. The only time we saw an inspector was
when they asked if they could highlight the installation in their annual
report.

We had to guide them in as they could not find the place even with a gps.

I can see the concern for septic system but even there the technology exist
to convert the affluent to meet the legal requirements of potable water.
(much of that is spin off of NASA research).

[The Daring Dufas[_7_]]

On 9/14/2011 12:48 PM, HellT wrote:
On 9/9/2011 12:20 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/

It's not that they're going after people for living off the grid,
they're aggressively looking for and pursuing code violations. That's a
huge change from how the county treated this area in the past, when they
used to leave it the hell alone. But suddenly, they're all hot about
code enforcement, even in isolated areas.

There's a more detailed article about it he

http://www.laweekly.com/2011-06-23/n...roperty-war/5/


L.A. County's Private Property War
By Mars Melnicoff Thursday, Jun 23 2011

"...The crackdown, and the denial by some that a crackdown is under way,
have fueled speculation as to Antonovich's, Cooley's and the NAT teams'
motives. Residents suggest "they need to justify their jobs — and fill
their budget." Others fear a land grab for future development plans.
Bell calls that an "absurd" idea that he won't "validate" with a response."

If you ask me, this probably wasn't motivated by planned future
development. Even in L.A. County, it's going to be a good five years or
more before the real estate market recovers to the point where
developing that far out would be considered.

I think the job justification is more likely on the mark, and encouraged
by the county's need to seek more revenue. The best way to avoid having
your department shrunk or shut down is to have it bringing in revenue,
and with the help of Google Earth and a few private companies that
contract with governments to provide detailed map data, it has become
much, much easier for governments to ferret out code violations.

A lot of people have put in an outbuilding, or a pool or the like
without pulling the necessary permits. It used to be too time-consuming
to locate these and take action. Nowadays companies sell current map
data to counties and cities, who can easily scan the images looking for
anything on a property that doesn't match with the county's or city's
property description. When they find it, they come a-knockin'. The
property owner has a choice: get the permit or take it down.

It seems there would be a big market for camouflage netting nowadays. ^_^

TDD