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As a refrigeration repair guy. I've actually had this
conversation: Customer: This one needs six pounds of freon, and this one needs eight pounds. Me: Well, lets check things out. See what's going on in there. Customer: Just add the freon like I said. Me: The system holds two pounds at best. I couldn't fit six pounds in, if I tried. Customer: The last guy added six pounds. Me: (goes to van, gets catalog) the receiver on this unit holds 1.3 pounds, the rest of the system wouldn't hold more than a couple ounces. Customer: Well, you gonna add the freon or not? I found the system loaded with air, but he wouldn't let me pump it out and vacuum out the air. Just wanted me to add six pounds to this one, and eight pounds to the other one. The freezer I'd worked on the day before had bad piston, on two cylinder compressor. But he wouldn't hear of a compressor replacement. Just wanted more pounds of freon. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "notbob" wrote in message ... On 2011-02-08, LSMFT wrote: Thank the EPA for taking away our adjusting screws. Everything is built for morons these days. It's the larger market share. Worse than "morons" are the "I'm right" morons, those morons who are positive they have the problem figured and nothing will dissuade them. When I was a motorcycle mechanic, use to get those types coming in all the time. "It's the carburetor!" "Well, in the case of a 2-stroke...." "It's the carburetor!" "It's been my experience it could also be...." "It's the carburetor!" .....etc nb |
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:29:52 -0500, LSMFT wrote:
wrote: On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 19:59:43 -0500, wrote: Taylor wrote: My snow blower has a Briggs& Stratton 7.5 hp "Powerbuilt Snow" horizontal engine. It has always need a little choke to run smoothly after it warms up. With no choke it runs, but stumbles slightly. With one click it is a bit smoother, and with two clicks it runs the smoothest. More than that, there is too much choke and the engine will die. Thinking that perhaps something is clogged in the carburetor/jet, I replaced the whole carb with a new one. The result is exactly the same. I have fresh gas, use Sta-Bil, etc. I'm not overly worried about it, I just use two clicks of choke for best power. However, I suspect that I'm not getting the full 7.5 hp with the choke restricting air intake. I'm also curious what the problem is. A repairman said that all engines are tuned lean due to EPA rules. Of course there is no way to adjust the mixture. Any ideas what causes this? Is the repairman right about the mixture set overly lean on purpose? Find the fuel adjustment screw. Open it just a touch. Real good idea, except that particular carb/engine doesn't have one. Same on a motorcycle. You have to drill out some metal to get at the adjustment screw. No, unlike the motorcycle, and early emission carbs on cars, there IS NO SCREW. Get that through your head. NO ADJUSTABLE JET. |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 05:59:51 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote: ? "LSMFT" wrote Find the fuel adjustment screw. Open it just a touch. Real good idea, except that particular carb/engine doesn't have one. Same on a motorcycle. You have to drill out some metal to get at the adjustment screw. The Tecumseh service book points out they now use a different jet instead of adjusting screw. Nothing to drill. I suspect Briggs and others use the same system. The jet can still be drilled. But it is not a simple job. |
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On 8 Feb 2011 15:34:48 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2011-02-08, LSMFT wrote: Thank the EPA for taking away our adjusting screws. Everything is built for morons these days. It's the larger market share. Worse than "morons" are the "I'm right" morons, those morons who are positive they have the problem figured and nothing will dissuade them. When I was a motorcycle mechanic, use to get those types coming in all the time. "It's the carburetor!" "Well, in the case of a 2-stroke...." "It's the carburetor!" "It's been my experience it could also be...." "It's the carburetor!" ....etc nb Well, since it is a 4 stroke, it's not a leaky crankshaft seal, at least. |
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:38:55 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Next, will be non polluting electric snow blowers. They call them "electric snow shovels"- and larger "electric blowers" (single stage) have been around since the late sixties. |
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On 2011-02-05, Taylor wrote:
horizontal engine. It has always need a little choke to run smoothly after it warms up. Looks like B&S has excellent online product support. I'd start he http://tinyurl.com/45oq9x4 Note the "Carburetion Troubleshooting Quick Reference Guide (PDF)." in 2nd paragraph down. nb |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 05:59:51 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote: ? "LSMFT" wrote Find the fuel adjustment screw. Open it just a touch. Real good idea, except that particular carb/engine doesn't have one. Same on a motorcycle. You have to drill out some metal to get at the adjustment screw. The Tecumseh service book points out they now use a different jet instead of adjusting screw. Nothing to drill. I suspect Briggs and others use the same system. The jet can still be drilled. But it is not a simple job. If you go too far, just undrill it |
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To set this all straight the carburetor that is on your engine does not have any type of adjustment on it, it has a fixed main jet with no adjustment screws. If you engine is still surging slightly when idling that will be normal. The only thing you will want to worry about is if it surging under load. If it is surging while under load there is an issue at hand. I would check like the said the intake gaskets. The engine that you have since it is a snow engine will not have an air filter on it, it may however have a screen over the throat of the carburetor. The engines are not set lean from the factory, this type of a running condition could cause serious damage to the inside of the engine. I hope that this was able to assist you with the questions that you have. If you have any further questions call our engine Answer Center at 800-444-7774, M-F 8-5PM CST. For Briggs & Stratton Branded Power Products questions call our Answer Center at 800-743-4115, M-F 8-5PM CST. -- Briggs Engine Message origin: TRAVEL.com |
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I just bought a Craftsman snowblower model 247.889720 with the 208 cc "quiet" motor. I had a similar problem--uneven running with the choke supposedly open. I found that the dial for the choke has confusing markings. Straight up and down is usually a full open choke. In this case, a full right turn is a closed choke, up and down is half choke, and all the way to the left is the open-choke, running position. Very unusual. At first, from the markings, I thought left and right turns closed the choke. It was functioning but not running smoothly in the up and down position, could smell lots of unburned gas and the fuel consumption seemed very high. On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed..
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My old yellow & green 21" Yardman that I inherited was getting
so bad it actually ran strongest with choke closed(full choke)! And even then for only 5-10 minutes at a time before it would not stay running at all and then I'd have to finish the driveway the old fashion way. Local small engine shop threw everything they could at it, still would not stay running, and the only way to start it, in any temperature, was via the electrical outlet start. |
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On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 1:17:07 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/3/2015 9:36 AM, wrote: My old yellow & green 21" Yardman that I inherited was getting so bad it actually ran strongest with choke closed(full choke)! And even then for only 5-10 minutes at a time before it would not stay running at all and then I'd have to finish the driveway the old fashion way. Local small engine shop threw everything they could at it, still would not stay running, and the only way to start it, in any temperature, was via the electrical outlet start. Can't see it from here, but that *CAN* be a bad gasket between the carb and the engine. Might also have bad (inadequate) valve clearance, which is just as likely as the bad carb gasket. I'd ask the shop to check those two. Needs a bit of Permatex IIb non hardening sealer on the carb gasket. Valve clearance is typically .010 intake, .020 exhaust, both measured at top dead center where the valves should both be full closed. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) |
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On 2/3/2015 2:23 PM, bob_villa wrote:
On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 1:17:07 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 2/3/2015 9:36 AM, wrote: My old yellow & green 21" Yardman that I inherited was getting so bad it actually ran strongest with choke closed(full choke)! And even then for only 5-10 minutes at a time before it would not stay running at all and then I'd have to finish the driveway the old fashion way. Local small engine shop threw everything they could at it, still would not stay running, and the only way to start it, in any temperature, was via the electrical outlet start. Can't see it from here, but that *CAN* be a bad gasket between the carb and the engine. Might also have bad (inadequate) valve clearance, which is just as likely as the bad carb gasket. I'd ask the shop to check those two. Needs a bit of Permatex IIb non hardening sealer on the carb gasket. Valve clearance is typically .010 intake, .020 exhaust, both measured at top dead center where the valves should both be full closed. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) I've read through this post a couple more times, I don't see that. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:11:50 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/3/2015 2:23 PM, bob_villa wrote: I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) I've read through this post a couple more times, I don't see that. "On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed." |
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On 2/3/2015 5:42 PM, bob_villa wrote:
On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:11:50 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 2/3/2015 2:23 PM, bob_villa wrote: I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) I've read through this post a couple more times, I don't see that. "On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed." ======================================= Stormy says.... Lets properly attibute: ======================================= -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Snowblower engine needs choke to run smoothly Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Newsgroups: alt.home.repair References: I just bought a Craftsman snowblower model 247.889720 with the 208 cc "quiet" motor. I had a similar problem--uneven running with the choke supposedly open. I found that the dial for the choke has confusing markings. Straight up and down is usually a full open choke. In this case, a full right turn is a closed choke, up and down is half choke, and all the way to the left is the open-choke, running position. Very unusual. At first, from the markings, I thought left and right turns closed the choke. It was functioning but not running smoothly in the up and down position, could smell lots of unburned gas and the fuel consumption seemed very high. On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed. ================================================== Original Poster: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Snowblower engine needs choke to run smoothly Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:36:12 -0800 (PST) From: Newsgroups: alt.home.repair References: My old yellow & green 21" Yardman that I inherited was getting so bad it actually ran strongest with choke closed(full choke)! And even then for only 5-10 minutes at a time before it would not stay running at all and then I'd have to finish the driveway the old fashion way. Local small engine shop threw everything they could at it, still would not stay running, and the only way to start it, in any temperature, was via the electrical outlet start. ==================================== Please note that pwrpath's text appeared NOWHERE in the post that I was replying. Do be more careful, please. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 11:23:25 -0800 (PST), bob_villa
wrote: On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 1:17:07 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 2/3/2015 9:36 AM, wrote: My old yellow & green 21" Yardman that I inherited was getting so bad it actually ran strongest with choke closed(full choke)! And even then for only 5-10 minutes at a time before it would not stay running at all and then I'd have to finish the driveway the old fashion way. Local small engine shop threw everything they could at it, still would not stay running, and the only way to start it, in any temperature, was via the electrical outlet start. Can't see it from here, but that *CAN* be a bad gasket between the carb and the engine. Might also have bad (inadequate) valve clearance, which is just as likely as the bad carb gasket. I'd ask the shop to check those two. Needs a bit of Permatex IIb non hardening sealer on the carb gasket. Valve clearance is typically .010 intake, .020 exhaust, both measured at top dead center where the valves should both be full closed. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) Well, I can trithfully say that in 50 years I have NEVER seen a choke that was open in the center position - NEVER. Virtually all close counter-clockwize - |
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 14:42:02 -0800 (PST), bob_villa
wrote: On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:11:50 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 2/3/2015 2:23 PM, bob_villa wrote: I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) I've read through this post a couple more times, I don't see that. "On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed." And the overwhelmingly vast majority of "snow" engines do not have an air cleaner. Most of the L-Head engines also have a "pre-heater" built into the air intake. Both are to prevent icing the intake up solid, choking the poor engine to death. |
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On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 5:09:02 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/3/2015 5:42 PM, bob_villa wrote: On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 3:11:50 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 2/3/2015 2:23 PM, bob_villa wrote: I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) I've read through this post a couple more times, I don't see that. "On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed." ======================================= Stormy says.... Lets properly attibute: ======================================= -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Snowblower engine needs choke to run smoothly Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Newsgroups: alt.home.repair References: I just bought a Craftsman snowblower model 247.889720 with the 208 cc "quiet" motor. I had a similar problem--uneven running with the choke supposedly open. I found that the dial for the choke has confusing markings. Straight up and down is usually a full open choke. In this case, a full right turn is a closed choke, up and down is half choke, and all the way to the left is the open-choke, running position. Very unusual. At first, from the markings, I thought left and right turns closed the choke. It was functioning but not running smoothly in the up and down position, could smell lots of unburned gas and the fuel consumption seemed very high. On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed. ================================================== Original Poster: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Snowblower engine needs choke to run smoothly Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:36:12 -0800 (PST) From: Newsgroups: alt.home.repair References: My old yellow & green 21" Yardman that I inherited was getting so bad it actually ran strongest with choke closed(full choke)! And even then for only 5-10 minutes at a time before it would not stay running at all and then I'd have to finish the driveway the old fashion way. Local small engine shop threw everything they could at it, still would not stay running, and the only way to start it, in any temperature, was via the electrical outlet start. ==================================== Please note that pwrpath's text appeared NOWHERE in the post that I was replying. Do be more careful, please. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . Try "unhide quoted text" from my post (for some reason hidden). I believe he is NOT sure what position the choke is at...and is experimenting without looking at the choke position. He needs to look at it...you on the other hand, are on a different planet...possibly Uranus. |
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On 2/3/2015 8:33 PM, bob_villa wrote:
On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 5:09:02 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 2/3/2015 5:42 PM, bob_villa wrote: ==================================== Please note that pwrpath's text appeared NOWHERE in the post that I was replying. Do be more careful, please. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . Try "unhide quoted text" from my post (for some reason hidden). I believe he is NOT sure what position the choke is at...and is experimenting without looking at the choke position. He needs to look at it...you on the other hand, are on a different planet...possibly Uranus. If you can't figure out quoted text, not sure you can figure any thing out. Plonk! - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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I'll tell all of you something:
I'm just glad in my case that I no longer own that Yardman thing(MTD). The 3-pos choke lever - up and down - had no graphics on it OR in the owner's manual, of which position was full choke or full lean! How stupid is that? My new Ariens on the other hand is so well marked even my cats could start it - in the dark. LOL |
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Stormin Mormon typed: On 2/3/2015 2:23 PM, bob_villa wrote: On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 1:17:07 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 2/3/2015 9:36 AM, wrote: My old yellow & green 21" Yardman that I inherited was getting so bad it actually ran strongest with choke closed(full choke)! And even then for only 5-10 minutes at a time before it would not stay running at all and then I'd have to finish the driveway the old fashion way. Local small engine shop threw everything they could at it, still would not stay running, and the only way to start it, in any temperature, was via the electrical outlet start. Can't see it from here, but that *CAN* be a bad gasket between the carb and the engine. Might also have bad (inadequate) valve clearance, which is just as likely as the bad carb gasket. I'd ask the shop to check those two. Needs a bit of Permatex IIb non hardening sealer on the carb gasket. Valve clearance is typically .010 intake, .020 exhaust, both measured at top dead center where the valves should both be full closed. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box) I've read through this post a couple more times, I don't see that. Stormy, I think you must have missed that in the original (and only) post that the OP write which said, "I just bought a Craftsman snowblower model 247.889720 with the 208 cc "quiet" motor. I had a similar problem--uneven running with the choke supposedly open. I found that the dial for the choke has confusing markings. Straight up and down is usually a full open choke. In this case, a full right turn is a closed choke, up and down is half choke, and all the way to the left is the open-choke, running position. Very unusual. At first, from the markings, I thought left and right turns closed the choke. It was functioning but not running smoothly in the up and down position, could smell lots of unburned gas and the fuel consumption seemed very high. On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed." So, the comment above that said, " I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box)" made sense to me and seemed to be correct. |
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On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 8:15:22 AM UTC-6, wrote:
I'll tell all of you something: I'm just glad in my case that I no longer own that Yardman thing(MTD). The 3-pos choke lever - up and down - had no graphics on it OR in the owner's manual, of which position was full choke or full lean! How stupid is that? My new Ariens on the other hand is so well marked even my cats could start it - in the dark. LOL This guy also has an MTD and is posting on the Sears help forum...so we will have to wait and see. |
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12:23 PMbob_villa wrote:
"- show quoted text - This guy also has an MTD and is posting on the Sears help forum...so we will have to wait and see. " So this thread is also being read - and contributed to, from a Sears help forum? Explains some of the confusion here. BTW by "this guy also has an MTD" I assume you mean me(kmanrocks)? |
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On Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 11:46:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
12:23 PMbob_villa wrote: "- show quoted text - This guy also has an MTD and is posting on the Sears help forum...so we will have to wait and see. " So this thread is also being read - and contributed to, from a Sears help forum? Explains some of the confusion here. BTW by "this guy also has an MTD" I assume you mean me(kmanrocks) The prefix of the his model is MTD on the Sears list of suppliers. |
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On 2/4/2015 12:14 PM, TomR wrote:
Stormy, I think you must have missed that in the original (and only) post that the OP write which said, "I just bought a Craftsman snowblower model 247.889720 with the 208 cc "quiet" motor. I had a similar problem--uneven running with the choke supposedly open. I found that the dial for the choke has confusing markings. Straight up and down is usually a full open choke. In this case, a full right turn is a closed choke, up and down is half choke, and all the way to the left is the open-choke, running position. Very unusual. At first, from the markings, I thought left and right turns closed the choke. It was functioning but not running smoothly in the up and down position, could smell lots of unburned gas and the fuel consumption seemed very high. On this model there appears to be no air filter and it would take a lot of disassembly to actually see the choke blade in the carburetor. I decided to experiment with the full left position and that cured the problem--smooth running and no smell of unburned gas from an over-rich mix due to the choke being half closed." So, the comment above that said, " I think he's saying that the instructions or markings don't make sense...as he can't see the choke plate. (usually seen from below the carb air warmer box)" made sense to me and seemed to be correct. Powerpost had a in the subject line, so that's not the original post. Original poster is Tkmanrocks, or some similar spelling. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 07:32:50 -0500, Stormin Mormon
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