[Limp Arbor]

I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

[Red Green]

Limp Arbor wrote in news:3e375181-cbce-4b4f-
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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.





He got laid that morning.

[Frank[_13_]]

On 2/1/2011 9:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.



Inspectors here will constantly bother a homeowner with repeated visits.
OTOH, a developer will receive less visits unless the inspector need
free nails or something ;(

[RBM[_3_]]

"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Inspectors are people just like anyone else. Some good, some bad, and some
have an agenda.

I'm curious as to how he's checking outlets, switches, and your cable
stapling. How does he see your staples behind the sheetrock?

[[email protected][_2_]]

clipped
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.




I'm sure inspections vary wildly, but gas and electricity seem to be
treated seriously ... our roofing should not have passed inspection, but
the insp. obviously didn't climb a ladder to spot the bad nailing. Same
inspector (Florida) red-tagged holes for seawall tiebacks that had water
in them...ready to pour marine cement and the tide was up. He didn't
get back to pass it for two days.

[Limp Arbor]

On Feb 1, 9:34*am, "RBM" wrote:
"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. *A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. *He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. *He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. *This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. *He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. *They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. *I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Inspectors are people just like anyone else. Some good, some bad, and some
have an agenda.

I'm curious as to how he's checking outlets, switches, and your cable
stapling. How does he see your staples behind the sheetrock?




I didn't have to staple behind the sheetrock. You don't have to
remove finished materials to run wire. He was checking the stapling
in the basement and attic.

[RBM[_3_]]

"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
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On Feb 1, 9:34 am, "RBM" wrote:
"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Inspectors are people just like anyone else. Some good, some bad, and
some
have an agenda.

I'm curious as to how he's checking outlets, switches, and your cable
stapling. How does he see your staples behind the sheetrock?




I didn't have to staple behind the sheetrock. You don't have to
remove finished materials to run wire. He was checking the stapling
in the basement and attic.

When you said "whole house rewire" , I just assumed you gutted the place.
That's a lot of work to do, leaving the walls up

[rlz]

On Feb 1, 8:19*am, "RBM" wrote:
"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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On Feb 1, 9:34 am, "RBM" wrote:





"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Inspectors are people just like anyone else. Some good, some bad, and
some
have an agenda.

I'm curious as to how he's checking outlets, switches, and your cable
stapling. How does he see your staples behind the sheetrock?

I didn't have to staple behind the sheetrock. *You don't have to
remove finished materials to run wire. *He was checking the stapling
in the basement and attic.

When you said "whole house rewire" , I just assumed you gutted the place.
That's a lot of work to do, leaving the walls up- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I built a 18x22 workshop in my backyard two years ago, completely
insulated and wired for 220V. I pulled a permit and had inspectors out
probably a dozen time thru the entire process. All of the inspectors
were friendly and even provided advice during the upcoming stages of
construction. I passed on the first try on each inspection.
Unfortunately, on my final inspection, they failed me because my door
stepped down 6" onto grass. They wanted a solid surface as a stoop,
so I put down some sidewalk pavers. They came back the next day and
passed it.

Rob

[Steve B[_10_]]

"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Most people fail because they either didn't do the work correctly, or the
homeowner tells the inspector when he gets there that he's an idiot, and
that the inspection process is just another way to steal money from
taxpayers.

Steve

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[Steve B[_10_]]

"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
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On Feb 1, 9:34 am, "RBM" wrote:
"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Inspectors are people just like anyone else. Some good, some bad, and
some
have an agenda.

I'm curious as to how he's checking outlets, switches, and your cable
stapling. How does he see your staples behind the sheetrock?




I didn't have to staple behind the sheetrock. You don't have to
remove finished materials to run wire. He was checking the stapling
in the basement and attic.

reply:

You have to forgive the clueless, uninformed, inexperienced and the
ignorant.

Steve

[Jon Danniken[_4_]]

Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Did he check to make sure your screw were lined up correctly?

Jon

[Limp Arbor]

On Feb 1, 10:19*am, "RBM" wrote:
"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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On Feb 1, 9:34 am, "RBM" wrote:





"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

....

I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Inspectors are people just like anyone else. Some good, some bad, and
some
have an agenda.

I'm curious as to how he's checking outlets, switches, and your cable
stapling. How does he see your staples behind the sheetrock?

I didn't have to staple behind the sheetrock. *You don't have to
remove finished materials to run wire. *He was checking the stapling
in the basement and attic.

When you said "whole house rewire" , I just assumed you gutted the place.
That's a lot of work to do, leaving the walls up- Hide quoted text -


The hardest part was getting from the attic to the second floor
outlets on the eaves. Not a job for a full-figured guy.

The first floor ceiling lights were also a little tough but a few
strategically placed access holes helped out.

I ran all the feeds for the second floor through an interior wall up
to the attic. Not bad because I just pulled down the upper cabinets
in the kitchen and cut the drywall near the top of the wall. Patched
the drywall and did one coat of spackle then put the cabinets back up.

some must have tools to do this job:
string with a nut tied to it and a magnet on a stick
fish sticks
fish tape
flexible drill but
right-angle drill
helper

If you don't have those tools you could just rip out all the drywall.
I remember as a kid going to help the old man who did wiring on the
side. We went to a house where the guy cut 4" strips out of the
plaster walls all the way around every room at outlet height. My dad
didn't have the heart to tell him that he was going to run the wires
up from the basement.

[Bob F]

Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

I always calls the inspectors first if I have questions, so I know exactly what
they want. They are very helpful.

[RBM[_3_]]

"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
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On Feb 1, 10:19 am, "RBM" wrote:
"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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On Feb 1, 9:34 am, "RBM" wrote:





"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

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I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

Inspectors are people just like anyone else. Some good, some bad, and
some
have an agenda.

I'm curious as to how he's checking outlets, switches, and your cable
stapling. How does he see your staples behind the sheetrock?

I didn't have to staple behind the sheetrock. You don't have to
remove finished materials to run wire. He was checking the stapling
in the basement and attic.

When you said "whole house rewire" , I just assumed you gutted the place.
That's a lot of work to do, leaving the walls up- Hide quoted text -


The hardest part was getting from the attic to the second floor
outlets on the eaves. Not a job for a full-figured guy.

The first floor ceiling lights were also a little tough but a few
strategically placed access holes helped out.

I ran all the feeds for the second floor through an interior wall up
to the attic. Not bad because I just pulled down the upper cabinets
in the kitchen and cut the drywall near the top of the wall. Patched
the drywall and did one coat of spackle then put the cabinets back up.

some must have tools to do this job:
string with a nut tied to it and a magnet on a stick
fish sticks
fish tape
flexible drill but
right-angle drill
helper

If you don't have those tools you could just rip out all the drywall.
I remember as a kid going to help the old man who did wiring on the
side. We went to a house where the guy cut 4" strips out of the
plaster walls all the way around every room at outlet height. My dad
didn't have the heart to tell him that he was going to run the wires
up from the basement.


Cutting out the 4" strips would save a lot of cable, but plaster patching is
more time consuming than sheetrock patching, so I suppose if the walls are
in good shape, looping up from the basement and down from the attic is the
way to go. You must have a fairly steep roof pitch to be able to reach the
top wall plates at the eaves.

[TWayne]

In ,
Limp Arbor typed:
:: I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole
:: house re-wire.
::
:: The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a
:: plug-in three light tester.
:: Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires
:: too short. Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I
:: switched the black wires. Checked the operation of every
:: GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and garage.
:: Made sure my stapling was adequate.
:: Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used
:: mostly plastic)
::
:: Failed me for:
:: more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
:: self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran
:: out of green screws)
:: ceiling box with three 12ga wires
::
:: I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple
:: of box extensions and green screws and I was done. He
:: called me around 3:30 and said he was finished with his
:: last inspection and asked if I was done. He actually
:: stopped back that day and passed my job. This saved me
:: from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
:: getting a different guy and another day off from work. He
:: was very helpful and was just making sure it was done
:: right.
::
:: Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit
:: I've pulled and had inspected and never had any problems.
:: They are doing exactly what they should be doing, making
:: sure work is done properly and the house is safe. I don't
:: know if others have had problems but I've never had an
:: inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
:: me.

That's my experience also.

Twayne`

[HeyBub[_3_]]

Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and you
don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.

[RBM[_3_]]

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and you
don't consider him evil?

wrong type of screw for grounding purposes

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

Depending upon the wire size, conductor count, connectors, devices, etc. ,
not all boxes have enough volume for daisy chaining

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.

[Bob F]

HeyBub wrote:
Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to
get me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and
you don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.

But then, we all know what your opinion is worth.

[RicodJour]

On Feb 1, 11:22*am, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:
Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Did he check to make sure your screw were lined up correctly?

Not very hard to line up one screw.

R

[Nate Nagel]

On 02/01/2011 05:53 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and you
don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.



one cable per *HANDY* box. perfectly right. a handy box doesn't have
enough volume for 4x 14AWG conductors, a ground, and a device.

http://ecmweb.com/nec/code-basics/el..._calculations/

typical handy box is 13 in^3

you have 4 (hot & neutral) + 2 (yoke & device) + 1 (ground) "conductors"
(add 1 if your inspector considers a romex clamp "internal" but I would not)

7x 14 AWG conductors requires min. 14 in^3

you may think it's BS but per the NEC the inspector was correct

I'd have used a 1900 box instead if surface mount, or a deep single gang
box if on a stud.

nate

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

[HeyBub[_3_]]

Nate Nagel wrote:

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws
and you don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.



one cable per *HANDY* box. perfectly right. a handy box doesn't have
enough volume for 4x 14AWG conductors, a ground, and a device.

http://ecmweb.com/nec/code-basics/el..._calculations/

typical handy box is 13 in^3

you have 4 (hot & neutral) + 2 (yoke & device) + 1 (ground)
"conductors" (add 1 if your inspector considers a romex clamp
"internal" but I would not)
7x 14 AWG conductors requires min. 14 in^3

you may think it's BS but per the NEC the inspector was correct

I'd have used a 1900 box instead if surface mount, or a deep single
gang box if on a stud.


Oh. Thanks.

I was working on the theory that "If the wires will fit, you must acquit."

[Limp Arbor]

On Feb 1, 6:55*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 02/01/2011 05:53 PM, HeyBub wrote:





Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. *A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. *He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. *He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. *This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. *He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. *They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. *I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and you
don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.

one cable per *HANDY* box. *perfectly right. *a handy box doesn't have
enough volume for 4x 14AWG conductors, a ground, and a device.

http://ecmweb.com/nec/code-basics/el..._calculations/

typical handy box is 13 in^3

you have 4 (hot & neutral) + 2 (yoke & device) + 1 (ground) "conductors"
(add 1 if your inspector considers a romex clamp "internal" but I would not)

7x 14 AWG conductors requires min. 14 in^3

you may think it's BS but per the NEC the inspector was correct

I'd have used a 1900 box instead if surface mount, or a deep single gang
box if on a stud.

nate

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel- Hide quoted text -


What surprised me was he said I cut put an extension on the handy box
(which I did) or replace them with plastic boxes.

I thought that exposed boxes in basements and garages had to be
metal. He said no. He also said I didn't need to use conduit to run
the wire down the cement walls, I could have just stapled NM to a 1x2
Tapcon'd to the wall.

He even said my junction boxes in the attic didn't need to be metal.
The question I didn't think of at the time is do they make a plastic
cover for plastic junction boxes?

[Limp Arbor]

On Feb 1, 5:53*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. *A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. *He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. *He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. *This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. *He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. *They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. *I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and you
don't consider him evil?


He said grounding screws need to be machine screws which makes sense.
A machine screw is less likely to strip out than a sheet metal screw.

[RBM[_3_]]

"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
...
On Feb 1, 6:55 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 02/01/2011 05:53 PM, HeyBub wrote:





Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and
you
don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.

one cable per *HANDY* box. perfectly right. a handy box doesn't have
enough volume for 4x 14AWG conductors, a ground, and a device.

http://ecmweb.com/nec/code-basics/el..._calculations/

typical handy box is 13 in^3

you have 4 (hot & neutral) + 2 (yoke & device) + 1 (ground) "conductors"
(add 1 if your inspector considers a romex clamp "internal" but I would
not)

7x 14 AWG conductors requires min. 14 in^3

you may think it's BS but per the NEC the inspector was correct

I'd have used a 1900 box instead if surface mount, or a deep single gang
box if on a stud.

nate

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel-
Hide quoted text -


What surprised me was he said I cut put an extension on the handy box
(which I did) or replace them with plastic boxes.

I thought that exposed boxes in basements and garages had to be
metal. He said no. He also said I didn't need to use conduit to run
the wire down the cement walls, I could have just stapled NM to a 1x2
Tapcon'd to the wall.

He even said my junction boxes in the attic didn't need to be metal.
The question I didn't think of at the time is do they make a plastic
cover for plastic junction boxes?

Plastic extension rings, plastic cover plates, absolutely

[hr(bob) [email protected]]

On Feb 2, 9:02*am, "RBM" wrote:
"Limp Arbor" wrote in message

...
On Feb 1, 6:55 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:





On 02/01/2011 05:53 PM, HeyBub wrote:

Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and
you
don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.

one cable per *HANDY* box. perfectly right. a handy box doesn't have
enough volume for 4x 14AWG conductors, a ground, and a device.

http://ecmweb.com/nec/code-basics/el..._calculations/

typical handy box is 13 in^3

you have 4 (hot & neutral) + 2 (yoke & device) + 1 (ground) "conductors"
(add 1 if your inspector considers a romex clamp "internal" but I would
not)

7x 14 AWG conductors requires min. 14 in^3

you may think it's BS but per the NEC the inspector was correct

I'd have used a 1900 box instead if surface mount, or a deep single gang
box if on a stud.

nate

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel-
Hide quoted text -

What surprised me was he said I cut put an extension on the handy box
(which I did) or replace them with plastic boxes.

I thought that exposed boxes in basements and garages had to be
metal. *He said no. *He also said I didn't need to use conduit to run
the wire down the cement walls, I could have just stapled NM to a 1x2
Tapcon'd to the wall.

He even said my junction boxes in the attic didn't need to be metal.
The question I didn't think of at the time is do they make a plastic
cover for plastic junction boxes?

Plastic extension rings, plastic cover plates, absolutely- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have seen them at our local Menards

[TWayne]

In ,
Limp Arbor typed:
: On Feb 1, 5:53 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
:: Limp Arbor wrote:
::: I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole
::: house re-wire.
::
....
::
:: The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping
:: screws and you don't consider him evil?
::
:
: He said grounding screws need to be machine screws which
: makes sense. A machine screw is less likely to strip out
: than a sheet metal screw.

Absolutely!

[Steve Barker[_6_]]

On 2/1/2011 8:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.




seeing as how you mentioned already having the outlets and switches
installed, i'm guessing this is a "final" electrical inspection. I'm
curious as to how he checked your "stapling" with the drywall in place.



--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[RBM[_3_]]

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
On 2/1/2011 8:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.




seeing as how you mentioned already having the outlets and switches
installed, i'm guessing this is a "final" electrical inspection. I'm
curious as to how he checked your "stapling" with the drywall in place.



--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I questioned that as well, but it turns out that he fished the outlets from
the basement up, and the attic down, and never removed the sheetrock /
plaster. The only stapling was in the attic and basement. To me, it sounded
like the outlets and switches were installed during the roughing. Not that I
haven't seen that done.

[Limp Arbor]

On Feb 2, 5:00*pm, "RBM" wrote:
"Steve Barker" wrote in message

...





On 2/1/2011 8:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. *A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. *He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. *He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. *This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. *He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. *They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. *I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

seeing as how you mentioned already having the outlets and switches
installed, i'm guessing this is a "final" electrical inspection. *I'm
curious as to how he checked your "stapling" with the drywall in place.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I questioned that as well, but *it turns out that he fished the outlets from
the basement up, and the attic down, and never removed the sheetrock /
plaster. The only stapling was in the attic and basement. To me, it sounded
like the outlets and switches were installed during the roughing. Not that I
haven't seen that done.- Hide quoted text -


This was an existing house. I was replacing the Al/Cu-Clad wires with
copper wire.

The first issue I had to get by when I submitted my paperwork was he
never heard of Copper-Clad Aluminum wiring. He called me and thought
I was talking about the Copper wire with the Zinc coating. After I
cleared that up he said he was going to have to check with some other
officials as to what I had to with the old wire.

Two days later he called me back and told me what to do. Surprisingly
he said all I needed to do with the old wire was cut it off at the
boxes or where accesible in the attic or basement and shove it back.
No twisting & capping the hot & neutral together or pulling the old
wire out. He also said since I was living in the house and I have
kids I could finish the entire job and just get a final inspection.

A side benefit of doing this job is after I was all finished replacing
the wires I caulked all the holes from the basement and the attic
where the wires came through with Fireblock. Wow! what a difference
in the comfort level in the house, drafts and cold spot were
significantly reduced. I could not believe that much air could be
traveling through those tiny spaces around the wires.

[Steve Barker[_6_]]

On 2/2/2011 4:00 PM, RBM wrote:
"Steve wrote in message
...
On 2/1/2011 8:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.




seeing as how you mentioned already having the outlets and switches
installed, i'm guessing this is a "final" electrical inspection. I'm
curious as to how he checked your "stapling" with the drywall in place.



--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I questioned that as well, but it turns out that he fished the outlets from
the basement up, and the attic down, and never removed the sheetrock /
plaster. The only stapling was in the attic and basement. To me, it sounded
like the outlets and switches were installed during the roughing. Not that I
haven't seen that done.



OHhhhhhh. I C. I mis-read the OP. I missed the "re" part of
"re-wire". I was thinking new construction since there was an inspector
involved. I can't imagine having them involved for a "RE" wire.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[Limp Arbor]

On Feb 3, 8:57*am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/2/2011 4:00 PM, RBM wrote:





"Steve *wrote in message
m...
On 2/1/2011 8:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. *A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. *He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. *He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. *This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. *He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. *They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. *I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

seeing as how you mentioned already having the outlets and switches
installed, i'm guessing this is a "final" electrical inspection. *I'm
curious as to how he checked your "stapling" with the drywall in place..

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I questioned that as well, but *it turns out that he fished the outlets from
the basement up, and the attic down, and never removed the sheetrock /
plaster. The only stapling was in the attic and basement. To me, it sounded
like the outlets and switches were installed during the roughing. Not that I
haven't seen that done.

OHhhhhhh. * I C. *I mis-read the OP. *I missed the "re" part of
"re-wire". *I was thinking new construction since there was an inspector
involved. *I can't imagine having them involved for a "RE" wire.


Can you imagine a house fire for some reason...
The fire marshall blaming faulty wiring...
The insurance company denying claim because work was never inspected...

[N8N]

On Feb 2, 9:44*am, Limp Arbor wrote:
On Feb 1, 6:55*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:





On 02/01/2011 05:53 PM, HeyBub wrote:

Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. *A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. *He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. *He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. *This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. *He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. *They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. *I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

The inspector failed you for using the wrong color/tapping screws and you
don't consider him evil?

And what's this about only one cable per box? How do you daisy-chain
outlets?

And how much was your tribute in gold and treasure?

Spawn of the devil, I'd say.

one cable per *HANDY* box. *perfectly right. *a handy box doesn't have
enough volume for 4x 14AWG conductors, a ground, and a device.

http://ecmweb.com/nec/code-basics/el..._calculations/

typical handy box is 13 in^3

you have 4 (hot & neutral) + 2 (yoke & device) + 1 (ground) "conductors"
(add 1 if your inspector considers a romex clamp "internal" but I would not)

7x 14 AWG conductors requires min. 14 in^3

you may think it's BS but per the NEC the inspector was correct

I'd have used a 1900 box instead if surface mount, or a deep single gang
box if on a stud.

nate

nate

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What surprised me was he said I cut put an extension on the handy box
(which I did) or replace them with plastic boxes.

I thought that exposed boxes in basements and garages had to be
metal. *He said no. *He also said I didn't need to use conduit to run
the wire down the cement walls, I could have just stapled NM to a 1x2
Tapcon'd to the wall.

He even said my junction boxes in the attic didn't need to be metal.
The question I didn't think of at the time is do they make a plastic
cover for plastic junction boxes?

if it's a single gang, yes. similar to typical builder grade
receptacle/switch plates, probably available in white, ivory, and
brown.

nate

[Steve Barker[_6_]]

On 2/3/2011 8:05 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:57 am, Steve wrote:
On 2/2/2011 4:00 PM, RBM wrote:





"Steve wrote in message
...
On 2/1/2011 8:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

seeing as how you mentioned already having the outlets and switches
installed, i'm guessing this is a "final" electrical inspection. I'm
curious as to how he checked your "stapling" with the drywall in place.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I questioned that as well, but it turns out that he fished the outlets from
the basement up, and the attic down, and never removed the sheetrock /
plaster. The only stapling was in the attic and basement. To me, it sounded
like the outlets and switches were installed during the roughing. Not that I
haven't seen that done.

OHhhhhhh. I C. I mis-read the OP. I missed the "re" part of
"re-wire". I was thinking new construction since there was an inspector
involved. I can't imagine having them involved for a "RE" wire.


Can you imagine a house fire for some reason...
The fire marshall blaming faulty wiring...
The insurance company denying claim because work was never inspected...

no. doesn't happen.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[RBM[_3_]]

"Limp Arbor" wrote in message
...
On Feb 3, 8:57 am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/2/2011 4:00 PM, RBM wrote:





"Steve wrote in message
m...
On 2/1/2011 8:16 AM, Limp Arbor wrote:
I had my electrical inspection yesterday for my whole house re-wire.

The guy came around 10 and checked every outlet with a plug-in three
light tester.
Pulled a few outlets to make sure I didn't cut the wires too short.
Pulled a few switch covers to make sure I switched the black wires.
Checked the operation of every GFCI: kitchen, basement, Lavs, and
garage.
Made sure my stapling was adequate.
Checked for grounding screws on every metal box. (I used mostly
plastic)

Failed me for:
more than one cable entering a handy box with an outlet
self- tapping sheet metal screws used for grounding (I ran out of
green screws)
ceiling box with three 12ga wires

I told him I was going to fix it all right now. A couple of box
extensions and green screws and I was done. He called me around 3:30
and said he was finished with his last inspection and asked if I was
done. He actually stopped back that day and passed my job. This
saved me from having to call and schedule a re-inspection and maybe
getting a different guy and another day off from work. He was very
helpful and was just making sure it was done right.

Maybe my town is different but this is the third permit I've pulled
and had inspected and never had any problems. They are doing exactly
what they should be doing, making sure work is done properly and the
house is safe. I don't know if others have had problems but I've
never had an inspector needlessly fail a job because he was out to get
me.

seeing as how you mentioned already having the outlets and switches
installed, i'm guessing this is a "final" electrical inspection. I'm
curious as to how he checked your "stapling" with the drywall in place.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

I questioned that as well, but it turns out that he fished the outlets
from
the basement up, and the attic down, and never removed the sheetrock /
plaster. The only stapling was in the attic and basement. To me, it
sounded
like the outlets and switches were installed during the roughing. Not
that I
haven't seen that done.

OHhhhhhh. I C. I mis-read the OP. I missed the "re" part of
"re-wire". I was thinking new construction since there was an inspector
involved. I can't imagine having them involved for a "RE" wire.


Can you imagine a house fire for some reason...
The fire marshall blaming faulty wiring...
The insurance company denying claim because work was never inspected...

I read this often on this group. It would seem to me, if an insurance
company could or would deny claims for every "i" not being dotted, they
would soon be out of business. I can't imagine that home owner insurance is
much different here in NY, than anywhere else, and here, insurance companies
cover among other things, for stupid things that the homeowner does. For
example: years ago I cut down a 3 foot diameter maple tree, that was on my
neighbor's property. I actually believed the tree was on state property and
not the neighbors. I am not a licensed tree surgeon, and rightly should have
gotten a survey to determine who's property the tree was on. None of this
mattered to me, as the tree posed a danger in obstructing my view when
leaving my driveway on to a fast state road. As a result of my tree cutting
I was sued by the neighbor for $250,000 . My homeowners insurance paid for
my lawyer and ultimately settled the claim. Believe me, if there was some
easy way that they could have blown me off, I think they would have saved
themselves some money.