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SCAM ALERT #1301

How much money do you spend each year on Tire Rotation? Each time you
pay to have your tires rotated, you're throwing money away.

The word "Rotation" means to turn. Guess what, everytime you drive your
car, your tires turn, (rotate). So why are you paying some idiot to
drive your car around the block to rotate your tires? Your tires are
rotated when you drive to their service center, and everywhere else you
drive.

Tire Rotation has got to be the biggest scam in all history. Only a
complete idiot would fall for this scam, if they knew what they were
getting. Unfortunately most drivers have no clue. They are told that
this is needed, so they march in line to get their money stolen from
their wallet.....

The next time you want to get your tires rotated, DRIVE YOUR CAR. It
wont cost a cent other than the gasoline, which you need anyhow if you
want to drive somewhere.

[Bob F]

wrote:

You should change your name to MORON alert.

[nestork]

Here's proof it's a scam:

They don't rotate the steel shoes on horses do they?

'nuf said?

[Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds]

In article ,
nestork wrote:

Here's proof it's a scam:

They don't rotate the steel shoes on horses do they?

'nuf said?

but they replace them more frequently than 40000 miles

[DerbyDad03]

nestork wrote:
Here's proof it's a scam:

They don't rotate the steel shoes on horses do they?

'nuf said?



Based on the latest advice from most car safety experts, tires should
(theoretically) never be rotated.

The latest thinking is that the tires with the most tread should be on the
rear of the vehicle to prevent the rear end from losing traction. If you
only buy 2 tires, many tires dealers will insist that they be installed on
the rear for that reason.

DAGS on 'best tires on rear'

Now, we all know that on a front wheel drive vehicle, the front tires will
wear more rapidly than the rears. If you were to buy 4 new tires, the
minute you drive out of the parking lot and make one turn the front tires
will be worn more than the rears. This more rapid wear will continue the
more you drive. If you rotate these tires to the rear, you break the "rule"
of always having the best tires on the rear.

Therefore, from a safety perspective, the whole concept of rotating tires
is no longer valid.

[nestork]

Yeah, when I bought two new tires for my car, I told the shop to put the new ones on the front cuz it was a front wheel drive car, and it made sense to have the new tires on the front where the power and steering happen.

But the guy at the tire shop said that it's actually safer to put the best tires on the back. The idea is that it's the traction of the rear tires that keep the car pointed forward. If the rear tires slip on the road then the car can spin out, and you lose all control over the car. As long as the car is pointed forward, you still stand a pretty good chance of regaining traction and control by just taking your foot off the gas and letting the car slow down. But, as soon as the car starts to spin out, then you have much less chance because you instinctively turned the steering wheel as the car started to spin out, and now you don't even know what direction the front wheels are pointing, and at highway speeds you might not figure that out in time to avoid the ditch or a head-on collision if and when you regain traction.

At least, that's the way they explained it to me, and it made some kinda horse sense.

[Robert Green]

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

stuff snipped

Now, we all know that on a front wheel drive vehicle, the front tires will
wear more rapidly than the rears. If you were to buy 4 new tires, the
minute you drive out of the parking lot and make one turn the front tires
will be worn more than the rears. This more rapid wear will continue the
more you drive. If you rotate these tires to the rear, you break the
"rule"
of always having the best tires on the rear.

Therefore, from a safety perspective, the whole concept of rotating tires
is no longer valid.

+1 Since uneven wear often indicates an alignment or other problem, I'd
like to see it progress rather than hide it via tire rotation.

A few weeks ago I was watching an improperly nutted wheel on a Formula 1
race car come flying off and bust up a videographer pretty seriously. That
reminded me that rotation often calls for the employment of less than fully
trained workers who can really mess things up a lot more than a little
uneven tire wear.

The pit crews use wrenches with built in "ready to go" signal buttons to
release the car as quickly as possible. The design of the wrench was such
that if it twisted in your hands from a cross-threading it slides down and
the button gets pushed accidentally, the car is cleared and the tire goes
into orbit.

--
Bobby G.

[gonjah[_3_]]

On 8/8/2013 10:06 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
nestork wrote:
Here's proof it's a scam:

They don't rotate the steel shoes on horses do they?

'nuf said?



Based on the latest advice from most car safety experts, tires should
(theoretically) never be rotated.

The latest thinking is that the tires with the most tread should be on the
rear of the vehicle to prevent the rear end from losing traction. If you
only buy 2 tires, many tires dealers will insist that they be installed on
the rear for that reason.

DAGS on 'best tires on rear'

Now, we all know that on a front wheel drive vehicle, the front tires will
wear more rapidly than the rears. If you were to buy 4 new tires, the
minute you drive out of the parking lot and make one turn the front tires
will be worn more than the rears. This more rapid wear will continue the
more you drive. If you rotate these tires to the rear, you break the "rule"
of always having the best tires on the rear.

Therefore, from a safety perspective, the whole concept of rotating tires
is no longer valid.


I always thought it was more about even wear, not safety, per se. Your
tires should never wear to the point they are unsafe on the rear or the
front. But, on the other hand, I don't drive very much.

I think I'll continue to rotate.

As a side note.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100907911

I ride a bike to work most days. I only drive my truck on days it rains
or I have to go somewhere after work.

[[email protected][_2_]]

On Sunday, August 11, 2013 11:29:48 AM UTC-4, gonjah wrote:
On 8/8/2013 10:06 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

nestork wrote:

Here's proof it's a scam:



They don't rotate the steel shoes on horses do they?



'nuf said?







Based on the latest advice from most car safety experts, tires should

(theoretically) never be rotated.



The latest thinking is that the tires with the most tread should be on the

rear of the vehicle to prevent the rear end from losing traction. If you

only buy 2 tires, many tires dealers will insist that they be installed on

the rear for that reason.



DAGS on 'best tires on rear'



Now, we all know that on a front wheel drive vehicle, the front tires will

wear more rapidly than the rears. If you were to buy 4 new tires, the

minute you drive out of the parking lot and make one turn the front tires

will be worn more than the rears. This more rapid wear will continue the

more you drive. If you rotate these tires to the rear, you break the "rule"

of always having the best tires on the rear.



Therefore, from a safety perspective, the whole concept of rotating tires

is no longer valid.





I always thought it was more about even wear, not safety, per se. Your

tires should never wear to the point they are unsafe on the rear or the

front. But, on the other hand, I don't drive very much.



I think I'll continue to rotate.





+1

Rotating allows them to wear evenly. And if they don't have
enough tread left to be safe, then they shouldn't be on the
car front or back.

When it's time to buy new tires, I and I think most people
would rather buy new tires that are all the same, instead of
having different tires front and back or hoping that the same
tires you bought 4 yeara ago are still available, at a good
price, etc.

But if you don't want to rotate, I don't see it as a big
problem either. One problem with rotation is that I've seen
cases where once the tires were rotated, there was some
vibration. This despite the fact that the tires were all
balanced. So, one argument in favor of not rotating is that
if everything is working OK, why screw around?

[Dean Hoffman[_13_]]

On 8/11/13 11:12 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

Hi.
All my family vehicles are AWD type. Honda/Acura/Subaru.
I rotate tires myself and always make sure all 4 wheels are in alignment.


One lesson I learned is to rotate the tires on schedule or not at
all. I didn't once and ended up with new tires. I have a Subie
Impreza which is also AWD.

[Tony Hwang]

Robert Green wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

stuff snipped

Now, we all know that on a front wheel drive vehicle, the front tires will
wear more rapidly than the rears. If you were to buy 4 new tires, the
minute you drive out of the parking lot and make one turn the front tires
will be worn more than the rears. This more rapid wear will continue the
more you drive. If you rotate these tires to the rear, you break the
"rule"
of always having the best tires on the rear.

Therefore, from a safety perspective, the whole concept of rotating tires
is no longer valid.

+1 Since uneven wear often indicates an alignment or other problem, I'd
like to see it progress rather than hide it via tire rotation.

A few weeks ago I was watching an improperly nutted wheel on a Formula 1
race car come flying off and bust up a videographer pretty seriously. That
reminded me that rotation often calls for the employment of less than fully
trained workers who can really mess things up a lot more than a little
uneven tire wear.

The pit crews use wrenches with built in "ready to go" signal buttons to
release the car as quickly as possible. The design of the wrench was such
that if it twisted in your hands from a cross-threading it slides down and
the button gets pushed accidentally, the car is cleared and the tire goes
into orbit.

--
Bobby G.


Hi.
All my family vehicles are AWD type. Honda/Acura/Subaru.
I rotate tires myself and always make sure all 4 wheels are in alignment.

[[email protected]]

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 10:29:48 -0500, gonjah wrote:

I ride a bike to work most days. I only drive my truck on days it rains
or I have to go somewhere after work.

Be sure to rotate the tires on your bike every couple months.

[WW[_2_]]

wrote in message ...

SCAM ALERT #1301

How much money do you spend each year on Tire Rotation? Each time you
pay to have your tires rotated, you're throwing money away.

The word "Rotation" means to turn. Guess what, everytime you drive your
car, your tires turn, (rotate). So why are you paying some idiot to
drive your car around the block to rotate your tires? Your tires are
rotated when you drive to their service center, and everywhere else you
drive.

Tire Rotation has got to be the biggest scam in all history. Only a
complete idiot would fall for this scam, if they knew what they were
getting. Unfortunately most drivers have no clue. They are told that
this is needed, so they march in line to get their money stolen from
their wallet.....

The next time you want to get your tires rotated, DRIVE YOUR CAR. It
wont cost a cent other than the gasoline, which you need anyhow if you
want to drive somewhere.

I spend nothing. Where I buy tires they are rotated every 5K miles. NOT X
rotated but front to rear on same side. Tires are checked for balance also.
No charge for life of tires. Never rotated them on my Harleys even tho they
were same size and tread. Motorcycle tires don't last as long as car tires.
On my trail bikes front and rear are different sizes. I have read all the
previous threads
on this. WW

[Frank[_17_]]

On 8/7/2013 11:44 PM, Bob F wrote:
wrote:

You should change your name to MORON alert.


He's trolling for responses. Probably some pimply faced kid, off for
the summer with nothing better to do.

[Robert Green]

"gonjah" wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

As a side note.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100907911

Over the last decade, auto executives have been trying to solve a problem
few ever thought they would confront. Teens, even young people in their 20s
and 30s, have decided they don't want a driver's license, let alone a car.

I've run into that attitude. I am not sure why youngsters feel that way but
it's clear they do, especially in areas like DC where there's fairly
reliable public transportation and the highways are jammed beyond capacity.

--
Bobby G.

[Robert Green]

wrote in message news:4e853832-42d0-49ce-9cef-

stuff snipped

So, one argument in favor of not rotating is that
if everything is working OK, why screw around?

I agree. It's a classic example of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Of
course, I drive so little that dry rot is my enemy and rotating isn't going
to help that. It probably doesn't help that I remember seeing van just like
mine that had partly fallen off the lift at the place where I buy gas.

I would hate to have that happen during a rotation or have the idiot
mechanic have her wrench on tighten and then come to me to say all my (red
hot!) lug bolts were stripped. (Sears, back when I was a punk kid and
didn't know any better not to go there.)

If I noticed uneven wear on a tire I wouldn't rotate it (like they do with
pedophile priests) I would have the car inspected and aligned.

--
Bobby G.

[Dean Hoffman[_13_]]

On 8/15/13 5:55 PM, Robert Green wrote:


Some cut here and there from RG and others.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100907911

Over the last decade, auto executives have been trying to solve a problem
few ever thought they would confront. Teens, even young people in their 20s
and 30s, have decided they don't want a driver's license, let alone a car.

I've run into that attitude. I am not sure why youngsters feel that way but
it's clear they do, especially in areas like DC where there's fairly
reliable public transportation and the highways are jammed beyond capacity.

--
Bobby G.


I wonder how much difference the internet has made. One can
download movies and music. Shopping is better in some ways online than
in a real store. The kids I see are too busy texting to talk to someone
standing nearby.
Even so, not driving in my area is a big inconvenience. It's a
rural area though.

[Wes Groleau]

On 08-15-2013 18:55, Robert Green quoted:
Over the last decade, auto executives have been trying to solve a problem
few ever thought they would confront. Teens, even young people in their 20s
and 30s, have decided they don't want a driver's license, let alone a car.

This sixty-year-old got rid of the car 37 months ago. Pedal-power only.
Train if in a hurry, plane if in a big hurry. But I kept the license,
just in case.

--
Wes Groleau

€œTo compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation
of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.€�
€” Thomas Jefferson

[Wes Groleau]

On 08-15-2013 23:25, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-15-2013 18:55, Robert Green quoted:
Over the last decade, auto executives have been trying to solve a
problem
few ever thought they would confront. Teens, even young people in
their 20s
and 30s, have decided they don't want a driver's license, let alone a
car.

This sixty-year-old got rid of the car 37 months ago. Pedal-power only.
Train if in a hurry, plane if in a big hurry. But I kept the license,
just in case.

Obviously not ONLY, but for anything under fifty miles and a good
percentage of the more than fifty.

--
Wes Groleau

Promote multi-use trails in northeast Indiana!
http://www.NorthwestAllenTrails.org/

[The Daring Dufas[_8_]]

On 8/15/2013 11:58 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-15-2013 23:25, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-15-2013 18:55, Robert Green quoted:
Over the last decade, auto executives have been trying to solve a
problem
few ever thought they would confront. Teens, even young people in
their 20s
and 30s, have decided they don't want a driver's license, let alone a
car.

This sixty-year-old got rid of the car 37 months ago. Pedal-power only.
Train if in a hurry, plane if in a big hurry. But I kept the license,
just in case.

Obviously not ONLY, but for anything under fifty miles and a good
percentage of the more than fifty.


Darn, I wish I could ride a bike again. When I worked out in The
Marshall Islands, a bike was how most folks got around. I loved it, it
kept me in the best shape I had ever been in. I would try a stationary
bike and I actually had one at one time but I'd need a seat I could sit
on without it hurting me. I'm betting it would help my legs and knees
even though I need two new ones. After getting my heart zapped back into
the proper rhythm, I can walk across a mall without running out of steam
or dropping dead again. My legs hurt like hell but I get stronger every
time, I bet a stationary bike would help. Wes, when you started riding
your bike, what kind of shape were you in and how long did it take you
to get into the good shape you're in now? ^_^

TDD

[Wes Groleau]

On 08-16-2013 02:49, The Daring Dufas wrote:
time, I bet a stationary bike would help. Wes, when you started riding
your bike, what kind of shape were you in and how long did it take you
to get into the good shape you're in now? ^_^

I started riding while in the Navy but on shore duty (electronics
instructor) when I knocked a hole in my oil pan at a dip in the road.

I was so skinny at the time that I GAINED ten pounds in two weeks.
When I finally fixed the thing, I kept on riding. When I realized I
hadn't driven it at all for six months, I sold it.

But after I got out, I moved to Syracuse, NY, where both the weather and
the attitudes of motorists led me to use buses instead. Then marriage
and children led me to get a car. And the dietary aspects
of eating at home with a family while having a sedentary job made me fat
and unhealthy. Result of that is diabetes which motivated me to improve
my diet. After my wife died and my children were grown, I sold the
house and the car and moved three blocks from work. Stayed mostly
within two miles until I thought I was in good enough shape to go further.

I've been making longer and longer "unnecessary" trips because of an
irrational obsession with disproving people's opinions on what is
impossible.

Plus I would like to be able to do Route 66 before my knees become
the ones claiming "Impossible"

But enough about me....

--
Wes Groleau

Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which
the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.
€” unknown

[The Daring Dufas[_8_]]

On 8/17/2013 1:34 AM, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-16-2013 02:49, The Daring Dufas wrote:
time, I bet a stationary bike would help. Wes, when you started riding
your bike, what kind of shape were you in and how long did it take you
to get into the good shape you're in now? ^_^

I started riding while in the Navy but on shore duty (electronics
instructor) when I knocked a hole in my oil pan at a dip in the road.

I was so skinny at the time that I GAINED ten pounds in two weeks.
When I finally fixed the thing, I kept on riding. When I realized I
hadn't driven it at all for six months, I sold it.

But after I got out, I moved to Syracuse, NY, where both the weather and
the attitudes of motorists led me to use buses instead. Then marriage
and children led me to get a car. And the dietary aspects
of eating at home with a family while having a sedentary job made me fat
and unhealthy. Result of that is diabetes which motivated me to improve
my diet. After my wife died and my children were grown, I sold the
house and the car and moved three blocks from work. Stayed mostly
within two miles until I thought I was in good enough shape to go further.

I've been making longer and longer "unnecessary" trips because of an
irrational obsession with disproving people's opinions on what is
impossible.

Plus I would like to be able to do Route 66 before my knees become
the ones claiming "Impossible"

But enough about me....


That is so cool, I hope you can keep it up for a long time. All that
exercise keeps your brain sharp too. I had a high blood sugar problem
at one time and I cured it by eschewing sugared soft drinks and of
course living in The South sugar sweetened ice tea. I lost a 100 lbs
when I stopped drinking sugar and I was already active doing things like
climbing ladders and crawling around under things. A hundred pound
weight loss made it a lot easier to crawl under houses and in attics.
Keep on biking Wes, live long and prosper. ^_^

TDD

[Bob[_101_]]

replying to scam_alerts, Bob wrote:
Ha, this is a joke right?
There's no way anyone could be so stupid to actually think that "*tire
rotation*" means to turn the wheels around, as in "driving the car".

--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...am-758603-.htm

[trader_4]

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-4, Bob wrote:
replying to scam_alerts, Bob wrote:
Ha, this is a joke right?
There's no way anyone could be so stupid to actually think that "*tire
rotation*" means to turn the wheels around, as in "driving the car".

--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...am-758603-.htm

IDK, you just responded to a five year old thread, so maybe the answer
is yes?

[Wade Garrett]

On 5/23/18 12:14 PM, Bob wrote:
replying to scam_alerts, Bob wrote:
Ha, this is a joke right?
There's no way anyone could be so stupid to actually think that "*tire
rotation*" means to turn the wheels around, as in "driving the car".


Think about how stupid the average person is- then consider that 50% of
people are dumber than that. If that isn't bad enough, remember that
these same folks can vote and sit on juries.

--
The fastest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

[rbowman]

On 05/23/2018 10:14 AM, Bob wrote:
replying to scam_alerts, Bob wrote:
Ha, this is a joke right?
There's no way anyone could be so stupid to actually think that "*tire
rotation*" means to turn the wheels around, as in "driving the car".


did this involve Micky?

[VinnyB[_2_]]

On Wed, 23 May 2018 20:41:31 -0600, rbowman wrote
in

On 05/23/2018 10:14 AM, Bob wrote:
replying to scam_alerts, Bob wrote:
Ha, this is a joke right?
There's no way anyone could be so stupid to actually think that "*tire
rotation*" means to turn the wheels around, as in "driving the car".


did this involve Micky?

Almost certainly.