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Security Door - One Way Screws



 
 
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Old January 2nd 11, 08:21 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Security Door - One Way Screws

I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws. Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. According to the oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

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Old January 2nd 11, 09:21 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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On 1/2/2011 12:21 AM Robert H spake thus:

I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws. Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. According to the oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


If you're worried about not getting it right the first time, go with
your second hunch there and use some non-one-way screws first. (Make
sure they're the same size as the ones supplied with the door.)


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Old January 2nd 11, 09:34 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Security Door - One Way Screws

On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:21:18 -0800, "Robert H" wrote:

I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws. Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. According to the oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.


So use regular screws until you get it right. Then change screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws?


No. To put them in? Why would that be different? I wanted to take
my expensive door bolt with the twin round keys, that I paid for and
installed, including in the steel door frame, when I left my apartment
in NYC. I had put in one-way screws, the ones that are flat going
clockwise and sloped and rounded up going the other way. One the door
side, the wood door is metal clad and the wood part of holes were not
that tight. They didn't have to be becuse the force would be in the
other direction. The door jamb prevented pulling.

They were supposed to be tight enough that a burglar entering via the
fire escape wouldn't be able to get out the apartment door. And the
fire escapes on the front of the building didnt' go to the roof, so it
was quite unlikely anyone would enter that way. (Though I did once
when the landlord illegally broke in and changed the locks. I went to
the girls upstairs, out their window, down the fire escape one flight,
broke the glass in one small pane, entered, and changed the lock
again, then wouldn't leave the apartment until I resolved it with the
landlord.

So when I moved out, I used a hammer and a screwdriver to make the
slightest notch in the screw head and unscrewed them, and because the
holes weren't tight, it worked. I shouldn't have taken it. There is
no use for such a lock in Baltimore, at least not where I live.

I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.


That's something like what I just suggested. Why don't you do that?
I don't know why lag screws especially. Aren't they thicker than the
one-way screws you have?

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


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Old January 2nd 11, 01:01 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Security Door - One Way Screws

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"Robert H" wrote in message
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I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws. Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. According to the oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


You are correct using the regular screws and replacing them one at a time.
There are different head types for security screws. Since you need a flat
blade to install them, I'm guessing they are the one way type with two bumps
on them. Please verify that so I can order the correct screwdriver to take
them out and steal the door. See item 7392A64 at the McMaster web site.
There is a drill bit attachment also to get them out even faster. Item
5713A14

I hope you still feel secure!



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Old January 2nd 11, 01:29 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On 1/2/2011 3:21 AM, Robert H wrote:
I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to
the house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws.
Obviously, I need to get it right the first time. According to the
oh-so-simple instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then
use a flat blade screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.


Seems to me that if you are going to drill the holes that it doesn't
matter if you use non one way screws first or not.

I'm no expert on one way screws, but I can tell you that I have a set
(two actually) of used one way screws that I got from the local security
door salesman that are in very good shape. Obviously not as one way as I
would have thought.

Jeff

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


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Old January 2nd 11, 01:55 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Security Door - One Way Screws

The others are wise, that you should get ordinary screws to
use for the first bit of time. A week or so, while the house
and frame settles.

As to installing, use a slotted screw driver tip in a
cordless drill.

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"Robert H" wrote in message
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I am about to install a security screen door which will be
attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws.
Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. According to the
oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use
a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way
screws? I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head
lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way
screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


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Old January 2nd 11, 05:10 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Security Door - One Way Screws


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"Robert H" wrote in message
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I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to
the house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws.
Obviously, I need to get it right the first time. According to the
oh-so-simple instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use
a flat blade screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? I
also had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag
screws, then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


You are correct using the regular screws and replacing them one at a time.
There are different head types for security screws. Since you need a flat
blade to install them, I'm guessing they are the one way type with two
bumps on them. Please verify that so I can order the correct screwdriver
to take them out and steal the door. See item 7392A64 at the McMaster web
site. There is a drill bit attachment also to get them out even faster.
Item 5713A14

I hope you still feel secure!


I used to be in that business. Using one-way screws is not a great idea.
If you put them in a tube, you have a bugger of a time getting them out.
Putting them in a tube is a good way to keep someone from accessing them and
backing them out. But some doors come with just screw tabs. It just
depends if you have a welder, and can weld. It only takes a 110 Mig to do
it. What works better, and is available, is to weld on a 1" x 1" cover on
the tube, and limit access to only those determined thieves who want to use
a grinder to get it off. Anyone who is really in a hurry will just hook a
chain on it and pull it off in two seconds like the police do.

Unless you get into some serious (spelled with two $$'es) security barriers,
most security devices attached to frame, block and brick homes are pretty
wimpy.

I believe I could get into one in ten seconds max. An experienced picklock
could have it open in just a little longer, and walk in.

Steve



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Old January 2nd 11, 05:37 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:21:18 -0800, Robert H wrote:

I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws. Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. According to the oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


You would drill smaller pilot holes and then screw in the screws by hand.
If you use a power drill, your hand will probably slip and the bit will
damage the door.

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Old January 2nd 11, 06:12 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:37:35 -0500, Rocinante
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 00:21:18 -0800, Robert H wrote:

I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws. Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. According to the oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


You would drill smaller pilot holes and then screw in the screws by hand.
If you use a power drill, your hand will probably slip and the bit will
damage the door.


An impact driver is the only way to fly.
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Old January 2nd 11, 06:43 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Jan 2, 3:21*am, "Robert H" wrote:
I am about to install a security screen door which will be attached to the
house with 8 included 4-inch color-matched one-way screws. *Obviously, I
need to get it right the first time. *According to the oh-so-simple
instructions, I just need to drill 3/16-inch holes, then use a flat blade
screwdriver to insert the screws.

How do the pros do this? *Is there a drill bit for one-way screws? *I also
had the idea to first install the door using 2-inch hex-head lag screws,
then remove them one by one and replace with the one-way screws.

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.


Not having security screws I filled the slots of regular screw with
epoxy after they were tighten down the painted them with black paint.
If I ever need to remove thm the epoxy can be cleaned out with out an
undue amount of trouble. Otherwise they look like carriage bolts or
rivets and people leave it along thinking its just too much trouble to
break into. As far as security bolts go there is a tool for removing
just about all of them that can be easily purchased by just about
anyone.

Jimmie
 




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