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Old June 26th 09, 03:08 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.

Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?

The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.
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Old June 26th 09, 03:46 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.

Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?

The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.


If there is a low spot, chances are water would just lay in there anyway.
I'm not so sure how a liner is going to solve that problem, but a new line
could.


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Old June 26th 09, 04:17 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
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"mm" wrote in message
.. .
Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.

Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?

The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.


If there is a low spot, chances are water would just lay in there anyway.
I'm not so sure how a liner is going to solve that problem, but a new line
could.

So any low spot is bad. I suppose a leak in terra cotta pipe could
let water in or water out, and the water coming out could make the
ground settle more around the leak, if there were some place for it to
settle to, but could it wash enough away for the line to sag?

This had been a well line which worked fine until a week ago. So
presumably it had no low spots then.


The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.
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Old June 26th 09, 12:38 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Jun 25, 11:17�pm, mm wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:







"mm" wrote in message
.. .
Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? �As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.


Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?


The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.


If there is a low spot, chances are water would just lay in there anyway..
I'm not so sure how a liner is going to solve that problem, but a new line
could.


So any low spot is bad. �I suppose a leak in terra cotta pipe could
let water in or water out, and the water coming out could make the
ground settle more around the leak, if there were some place for it to
settle to, but could it wash enough away for the line to sag? �

This had been a well line which worked fine until a week ago. �So
presumably it had no low spots then.

The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. �I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


did the line have roots?

if so before replacing try rock salt dissolved say 4 times a year/.

its cheap, and very effective if roots are in the line. it kills the
roots but leaves tree and bushes unharmed.

25 pounds of rock salt dissolved in basement wash tub in very hot
water has served me great for over 12 years.

dissolve most then go out for day so no water is run
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The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.


The sewer in our condo clogged four times before a video was done of the
inside of the pipe (old cast iron). Before the video, it was "cleaned"
....some kind of pressure washing of inside of pipe ... which was
supposed to make the inner surface smooth. It finally was discovered
that the bottom side of the pipe was entirely gone - on one occasion, a
bunch of wet-wipes was rooted out. On other occasion, nothing was found
that caused the blockage. Any kind of fibrous stuff - paper, tampons,
vegetable waste - can hang up on the rough edges. Our condo assn.
hasn't seen fit to repair the sewer - they are too busy having a ****ing
match about how many vehicles on owner can park in a lot that hasn't
been filled to capacity for about 5 years.
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Old June 26th 09, 09:45 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Home sewer pipe relining

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:38:14 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Jun 25, 11:17?pm, mm wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:







"mm" wrote in message
.. .
Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? ?As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.


Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?


The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.


If there is a low spot, chances are water would just lay in there anyway.
I'm not so sure how a liner is going to solve that problem, but a new line
could.


So any low spot is bad. ?I suppose a leak in terra cotta pipe could
let water in or water out, and the water coming out could make the
ground settle more around the leak, if there were some place for it to
settle to, but could it wash enough away for the line to sag? ?

This had been a well line which worked fine until a week ago. ?So
presumably it had no low spots then.

The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. ?I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


did the line have roots?


I had a whole post written starting with the answer to this quetion
("I don't know."), but it wasn't finished, and by the time I got home
I got a message from my friend.

Last night I mentioned B's problem to a mutural friend C, who said he
should call a fourth friend D, so I called B and told him to call D,
and today he told me that he did, and D said to call the county. (That
a fifth friend of all of us E, an old man, had had a similar problem
and the county fixed it.)

So last night around 5:30 B called the county and they came out in
about 90 minutes, found some problem, fixed it, and everything is fine
now.

My friend didn't have to replace the pipe or reline it, and might not
have had to rotorooter it either. But he's happier about the money he
didn't spend than he is sad about the possibly wasted money he spent.
And no dug up yard, no replanting grass or mandatory watering etc.

E's house and B's house are only a quarter mile apart, and though one
is at the top of the hill and one at the bottom and around two
corners, they have the same floorplan. Probably the county sewers are
the same age too.



if so before replacing try rock salt dissolved say 4 times a year/.

its cheap, and very effective if roots are in the line. it kills the
roots but leaves tree and bushes unharmed.

25 pounds of rock salt dissolved in basement wash tub in very hot
water has served me great for over 12 years.

dissolve most then go out for day so no water is run


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Old June 26th 09, 11:26 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default Home sewer pipe relining

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 04:38:14 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Jun 25, 11:17?pm, mm wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:







"mm" wrote in message
.. .
Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? ?As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.


Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?


The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.


If there is a low spot, chances are water would just lay in there anyway.
I'm not so sure how a liner is going to solve that problem, but a new line
could.


So any low spot is bad. ?I suppose a leak in terra cotta pipe could
let water in or water out, and the water coming out could make the
ground settle more around the leak, if there were some place for it to
settle to, but could it wash enough away for the line to sag? ?

This had been a well line which worked fine until a week ago. ?So
presumably it had no low spots then.

The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. ?I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


did the line have roots?

if so before replacing try rock salt dissolved say 4 times a year/.

its cheap, and very effective if roots are in the line. it kills the
roots but leaves tree and bushes unharmed.


But if there is a clog already, it doesn't dissolve the roots that are
there, does it? You have to roto-root that first time (as he had
done) or use a long snake and then the salt thereafter, iiuc what
you're recoommending?

25 pounds of rock salt dissolved in basement wash tub in very hot
water has served me great for over 12 years.

dissolve most then go out for day so no water is run


I talked to him on the phone just now and told him what you wrote.


BTW, it turns out the plumber couldn't find the cleanout in his
basement and removed the toilet to use that, even though my friend
could find his own clean out later.

Plus, the guy said he went 100 feet, but when the county came out,
they used a second cleanout plug in the ffront yard, that had to be on
my friend's property, and went from there into the street and he said
the clog was only 7 feet from the cleanout. He crushed that and then
went another 70 feet.

My friend's yard is about 50 or 60 feet from the house to the sidewalk
and another 4 feet to the street.

Did the plubmber roto-root the clog twice as he said but it still
wasn't enough to clear it? Did he only go 40 feet and not the 100 he
said, so he didn't reach the clog?

There is no doubt the plumber is NOT a cheat, but I think he may have
learned his "trade" by figuring it out and not as an apprentice (or at
least not long enough) or at a decent trade school. If it were up to
the plumber, my friend would have some sort of backhoe in his yard
today, and a bill for mucho money.


Similarly the deck next to my house was built by guys who were proud
of what they did, but they never took off the "pressure treated"
stickers stapled to the end of each flooring 2x4, and it looks
terrible. Neither did the owner at the time or the new owner for the
last 2 years. I may be a rank amateur but when I do do things, I
learn about it until I do them right.

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Old June 27th 09, 02:54 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Jun 25, 10:17*pm, mm wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:







"mm" wrote in message
.. .
Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? *As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.


Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?


The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.


If there is a low spot, chances are water would just lay in there anyway..
I'm not so sure how a liner is going to solve that problem, but a new line
could.


So any low spot is bad. *I suppose a leak in terra cotta pipe could
let water in or water out, and the water coming out could make the
ground settle more around the leak, if there were some place for it to
settle to, but could it wash enough away for the line to sag? *

This had been a well line which worked fine until a week ago. *So
presumably it had no low spots then.

The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. *I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


How could a clogged vent pipe cause back-ups. They are there to
prevent siphoning water out of traps for other fixtures on the same
line when someone flushes a toilet .
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Old June 27th 09, 05:26 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:54:28 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) "
wrote:

On Jun 25, 10:17*pm, mm wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:46:55 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:
"mm" wrote in message
.. .
Is home sewer pipe relining a good idea? *As opposed to trenching and
laying in a new sewer pipe.


Does it really last 50 years like the plumbing companies that do this
claim?


The drain is supposed to have a leak and fill with water at a low
spot, and that's why the basement toilet will back up if the other two
toilets are flushed in quick succession, or if the washing machine
drains.


If there is a low spot, chances are water would just lay in there anyway.
I'm not so sure how a liner is going to solve that problem, but a new line
could.


So any low spot is bad. *I suppose a leak in terra cotta pipe could
let water in or water out, and the water coming out could make the
ground settle more around the leak, if there were some place for it to
settle to, but could it wash enough away for the line to sag? *

This had been a well line which worked fine until a week ago. *So
presumably it had no low spots then.

The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. *I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.


How could a clogged vent pipe cause back-ups. They are there to


I don't know. I thought I read it here. That it was something that
was often overlooked that could cause backup problems, or at least
slow flushing.

Maybe because it can be hard for the air to exit the drain pipe
quickly enough to make room for the water. By having a functioning
air vent, there is a second way for the air to exit, in addition to
the drain pipe itself.

prevent siphoning water out of traps for other fixtures on the same
line when someone flushes a toilet .


Things invented for one function often serve other functions, right?
Maybe since the use of air vents, they've been able to make drain
pipes smaller, and now the air vent is essential to toilet draining.

I don't know and I don't remember exactly what I read here, but it's
not impossible.
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Old July 7th 09, 05:13 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:56:11 -0400, "
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The line was roto-rooted a couple days ago, and then again with bigger
blades, all the way out to the city sewer. I keep thinking a clogged
vent pipe might be a lot of the reason the toilet backs up.


The sewer in our condo clogged four times before a video was done of the
inside of the pipe (old cast iron). Before the video, it was "cleaned"
...some kind of pressure washing of inside of pipe ... which was
supposed to make the inner surface smooth. It finally was discovered
that the bottom side of the pipe was entirely gone - on one occasion, a
bunch of wet-wipes was rooted out. On other occasion, nothing was found
that caused the blockage. Any kind of fibrous stuff - paper, tampons,
vegetable waste - can hang up on the rough edges. Our condo assn.
hasn't seen fit to repair the sewer - they are too busy having a ****ing
match about how many vehicles on owner can park in a lot that hasn't
been filled to capacity for about 5 years.


Hey, first things first. After 30 years of saying it would be a bad
idea for our townhouses, a new notion took hold and last week they
numbered all our parking places and put "reserved NN" on the side of
the curb in front of all of them (except the section in the middle,
not next to the sidewalk.
 




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