Mothballing a swimming pool
Neighboring community announced they will not be
opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? |
Mothballing a swimming pool
"Bryce" wrote in message ... Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? Drain it and sweep it out after it's dry. Sounds odd to me. Half the cost to run it for a year is what it takes to not run it? I'd look into it more? Rich |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 25, 4:49*pm, Bryce wrote:
Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. *They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. *What needs to be done to mothball a pool? lost revenue |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 25, 3:49*pm, Bryce wrote:
Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. *They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. *What needs to be done to mothball a pool? Dunno. If the surrounding soil is expansive, there could be concerns with the walls cracking with the pool empty - maybe need to do something to brace the walls? Jerry |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 25, 5:49*pm, Bryce wrote:
they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. *What needs to be done to mothball a pool? If it's currently covered and empty of water, nothing. ----- - gpsman |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Jerry wrote:
On Feb 25, 3:49 pm, Bryce wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? Dunno. If the surrounding soil is expansive, there could be concerns with the walls cracking with the pool empty - maybe need to do something to brace the walls? Jerry Like fill it halfway with heavily chlorinated water? Floor heaving is more likely than walls cracking, but I'm no engineer. (Same concept as why residential sand'n'vinyl pools are never emptied all the way...) -- aem sends.... |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:49:39 -0500, Bryce
wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? Maybe you misunderstood or they weren't clear. It may very well be that what they meant was that even with the pool emptied and shut down, there will still be expenses for insurance, security, general maintenance, and other fixed costs that will still need to be paid whether it is open for swimming or not. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Bryce wrote:
Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? that's bs. All it takes is a super shocking treatment and a good cover. s |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Rich wrote:
"Bryce" wrote in message ... Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? Drain it and sweep it out after it's dry. Sounds odd to me. Half the cost to run it for a year is what it takes to not run it? I'd look into it more? Rich you don't drain a pool unless you want massive amounts of trouble and stand a chance of never using it again. s |
Mothballing a swimming pool
aemeijers wrote:
Jerry wrote: On Feb 25, 3:49 pm, Bryce wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? Dunno. If the surrounding soil is expansive, there could be concerns with the walls cracking with the pool empty - maybe need to do something to brace the walls? Jerry Like fill it halfway with heavily chlorinated water? Floor heaving is more likely than walls cracking, but I'm no engineer. (Same concept as why residential sand'n'vinyl pools are never emptied all the way...) -- aem sends.... Well also, on Vinyl, the stuff shrinks real bad after being exposed to chlorine. If you let it dry out, they usually tear off the top when you refill them. I wouldn't even take a vinyl pool down half way. I used to just pull the hose off the skimmer of our above ground and let that be the winter level. s |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Steve Barker wrote:
Bryce wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? that's bs. All it takes is a super shocking treatment and a good cover. s Residential pool, sure. A municipal pool is what, a quarter of an acre? Nobody makes covers that big. -- aem sends.... |
Mothballing a swimming pool
aemeijers wrote:
Residential pool, sure. A municipal pool is what, a quarter of an acre? Nobody makes covers that big. Floating covers are quite commonplace for municipal pools. They retain the heat and reduce evaporation. But the liability issues remain, just as they would with an empty pool. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:50:22 -0800, Bob wrote:
But the liability issues remain, just as they would with an empty pool. Next to a school, years ago a community pool was drained for repair. A local kid died after he dove from the diving board into an empty pool. Kids climbed the fence at night for a swim. No lights on. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
aemeijers wrote:
Steve Barker wrote: Bryce wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? that's bs. All it takes is a super shocking treatment and a good cover. s Residential pool, sure. A municipal pool is what, a quarter of an acre? Nobody makes covers that big. -- aem sends.... oh really? best get out and take a look. They certainly don't leave them exposed to fill with leaves and every other kind of ****. s |
Mothballing a swimming pool
"Steve Barker" wrote:
you don't drain a pool unless you want massive amounts of trouble and stand a chance of never using it again. Aye, they drained one around here a few years ago. Then it rained, raising the water table up to the point where it floated the pool a few inches. That turned out to be a big mess. Jon |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Jon Danniken wrote:
"Steve Barker" wrote: you don't drain a pool unless you want massive amounts of trouble and stand a chance of never using it again. Aye, they drained one around here a few years ago. Then it rained, raising the water table up to the point where it floated the pool a few inches. That turned out to be a big mess. Jon exactly, and people say concrete don't float.. LOL! steve |
Mothballing a swimming pool
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Steve Barker wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote: you don't drain a pool unless you want massive amounts of trouble and stand a chance of never using it again. Aye, they drained one around here a few years ago. Then it rained, raising the water table up to the point where it floated the pool a few inches. That turned out to be a big mess. Jon exactly, and people say concrete don't float.. LOL! steve In shoe form it doesn't. But hell, they make boat hulls out of it. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:19:51 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote: you don't drain a pool unless you want massive amounts of trouble and stand a chance of never using it again. Aye, they drained one around here a few years ago. Then it rained, raising the water table up to the point where it floated the pool a few inches. That turned out to be a big mess. Drained my pool just last year: For what I know it was the first time. My water table is 385' below the desert and will never cause my pool to float. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:49:39 -0500, Bryce
wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? What is needed to mothball a pool varies greatly with the design of the pool, the local ground conditions and the local weather conditions. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 26, 9:38�am, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:49:39 -0500, Bryce wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. �They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. �What needs to be done to mothball a pool? � � � � What is needed to mothball a pool varies greatly with the design of the pool, the local ground conditions and the local weather conditions. � suggest community fund raising to cover the remaining 50 grand difference. and remind them the kids who would of hung out at the pool may turn to mischef and crime, from boredom |
Mothballing a swimming pool
"bob haller" wrote in message
... On Feb 26, 9:38?am, wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:49:39 -0500, Bryce wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. ?They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. ?What needs to be done to mothball a pool? ? ? ? ? What is needed to mothball a pool varies greatly with the design of the pool, the local ground conditions and the local weather conditions. ? suggest community fund raising to cover the remaining 50 grand difference. and remind them the kids who would of hung out at the pool may turn to mischef and crime, from boredom Leave about eight inches of water in the deep end of the pool and use it waterboard the miscreants found guilty. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
In article , Bryce wrote:
Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. What needs to be done to mothball a pool? A sh*tload of mothballs? I would guess... security, insurance, maintenance to prevent stagnant water accumulation (mosquitos), salaries for the (tenured) life guards and more... -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | Gary Player. | | http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 26, 4:50�pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , Bryce wrote: Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. �They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. �What needs to be done to mothball a pool? A sh*tload of mothballs? I would guess... security, insurance, maintenance to prevent stagnant water accumulation (mosquitos), salaries for the (tenured) life guards and more... -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar � � � � � "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Gary Player. | |http://www.malch.com/� � � � � � � Shpx gur PQN. � � � � � � � �| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ keep mostly full of water so it doesnt float and destroy itself, they do actually raise right out of the ground. now chlorinate and circulate the water so it doesnt get stagnant and buggy, now add lnite sec urity lighting, guards, cut grass, maintain buildings, pay utility bills. its all very costly, espically if you want to use it again. if re use isnt part of plan just jackhammer big hole in bottom so water cant accumulate, fill the now junk pool with fill ........... still need minimal maintence on buildings unless you tear them down, and stuff like cutting grass, and security so it doesnt become a druggie hangout etc |
Mothballing a swimming pool
In article , bob haller wrote:
if re use isnt part of plan just jackhammer big hole in bottom so water cant accumulate, fill the now junk pool with fill ........... In some places like California there are very stringent code requirements for filling in pools. It's a *very* expensive proposition. -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | Gary Player. | | http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Jon Danniken wrote:
"Steve Barker" wrote: you don't drain a pool unless you want massive amounts of trouble and stand a chance of never using it again. Aye, they drained one around here a few years ago. Then it rained, raising the water table up to the point where it floated the pool a few inches. That turned out to be a big mess. Jon Depends on local soil conditions and how the pool was built. Town I grew up in had a huge late 1940s outdoor municipal pool, like Olympic size 12 lane, plus a T with a dive area. They emptied it every year. But the concrete was thick and heavily rebarred, and on that end of town, there was a thick layer of gravel about 10-12 feet down under everything. (as a wee lad, I saw LOTS of basements go in, less than a mile from there.) Water table spikes were not a problem around there. A mile the other direction, however, they just had a century flood, last summer. -- aem sends... |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Steve Barker wrote:
Jon Danniken wrote: "Steve Barker" wrote: you don't drain a pool unless you want massive amounts of trouble and stand a chance of never using it again. Aye, they drained one around here a few years ago. Then it rained, raising the water table up to the point where it floated the pool a few inches. That turned out to be a big mess. Jon exactly, and people say concrete don't float.. LOL! steve During WWII I believe there were a number of ships or barges built out of concrete. TDD |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Oren wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:50:22 -0800, Bob wrote: But the liability issues remain, just as they would with an empty pool. Next to a school, years ago a community pool was drained for repair. A local kid died after he dove from the diving board into an empty pool. Kids climbed the fence at night for a swim. No lights on. Darwin at work. TDD |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 26, 7:57*pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , bob haller wrote: if re use isnt part of plan just jackhammer big hole in bottom so water cant accumulate, fill the now junk pool with fill ........... In some places like California there are very stringent code requirements for filling in pools. It's a *very* expensive proposition. -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar * * * * * "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Gary Player. | |http://www.malch.com/* * * * * * * Shpx gur PQN. * * * * * * * *| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Closing the pool, especially given the stated economics, sounds like a foolish move to me. I once was president of a condo association and we had a former board member who wanted to do the same thing with the association pool which served 120 units. At the time, about 15 years ago, it cost us about $16K a season to run it, which included a lifeguard. Even though I personally rarely used the pool, my thougth was that the $130 a year out of my pocket was small compared to the potential loss in resale value. I could only imagine telling a prospective buyer that we have a pool, but it's closed because we can't afford to run it. Plus, I'm not sure it's legal or would survive a court challenge. Unit owners bought their units with rights to the ammenities and I'm not sure you can just take a major one away. In this case, I would expect that they would save a lot more than going from $100K down to $50K by closing the pool. However, using the 50K savings, I'd divide that by the number of homes served. Since this is supposed to be a municipality, it would seem likely that it comes out to a small amount per home. Instead of closing it, perhaps a better solution would be to charge a seasonal fee for those that actual use it to offset some or all of the cost. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
Malcolm Hoar wrote:
In article , bob haller wrote: if re use isnt part of plan just jackhammer big hole in bottom so water cant accumulate, fill the now junk pool with fill ........... In some places like California there are very stringent code requirements for filling in pools. It's a *very* expensive proposition. Yeah, we looked at filling in the pool in the house we bought, and would have cost about $12,000. We opted to keep it, and resurface it, even though that cost more, not to mention the electricity for the pump. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 25, 6:49*pm, Bryce wrote:
Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipalswimmingpoolthis summer to save money. *They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. *What needs to be done to mothball apool? I would cover the pool. Looploc can make a cover that big. You will still have to run the pump for a few hours a day to keep the algae at bay. That would mean you would have to treat the pool with chems and clean the filter from time to time. If you do not treat the water it will turn into a mess and would raise the costs to open it next year. I have seen many pools "put to sleep" and the result is not good. the PH level of untreated water tends to pit the plaster and the algae roots embed deep into the pores of the plaster making it a pain to remove. You can not leave a pool empty. If you have a high water table it can float out of the ground like a boat ( they made boats out of concrete in WWII that took supplies across the Atlantic FYI) . Pool plaster is designed to remain wet and takes a few years to fully set.When plastering a pool as soon as the last trowel of plaster is put on a pool they fill the pool asap. leaving a pool empty can cause the plaster to come off the pool too. For more info visit the worlds first online community for pool owners http://community.poolcenter.com/ Myles McMorrow. |
Mothballing a swimming pool
On Feb 25, 6:49*pm, Bryce wrote:
Neighboring community announced they will not be opening their municipal swimming pool this summer to save money. *They say it costs $100,000 to operate for the season, but they must spend $50K to mothball it while it's idle, so only $50K saved. Wow. *What needs to be done to mothball a pool? Really, what kind of revenue does the pool take in. Is it a loser? I doubt if the economy will effect the use of the pool that much. If anything people tend to use things like this more during bad economic times. Instead of taking vacations or going to the movies they go to the pool. Jimmie |
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