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Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.
The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted. One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good results. Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better. Is there much of a difference? |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
On Jul 31, 9:15*am, "Tube Audio" wrote:
I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's. The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted. One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. *He says he can roll but it will take alot longer. *He says that the spray / backroll yields good results. Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better. Is there much of a difference? Spray is quicker and easier just be sure of no wind and he has liability ins, with a 2 mph wind I once got paint on a car 50 ft away. He who sprays makes alot of money that day! Both ways are fine, things have to be covered |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
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"Tube Audio" wrote: I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's. The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted. One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good results. Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better. Is there much of a difference? What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query after what we just went through? You're a brave man, or maybe foolish. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Smitty Two wrote:
.... What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query ... Yeah, I been wonder wots up w/ the recent spate of stucco, too... Don't dare ask what he's intending to put on this stucco abode or do we? :) -- |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Tube Audio" wrote in message ... I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's. The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted. One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good results. Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better. Is there much of a difference? Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty years. Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into all the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. Some say you don't have to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to backroll obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra time. Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible on the dried painted surface. There is no comparison between spraying and rolling, except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong with that? No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the crevices with a roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of paint each time, and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal spin of the roller. Do the spray. If you really want to go better from there, check out the elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier sprayer. These will flex and not show the small cracks associated with stucco aging. Just MHO, what do I know? Steve Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds moisture and the paint doesn't last. Very simple. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Tube Audio" wrote in message ... I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's. The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted. One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good results. Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better. Is there much of a difference? Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty years. Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into all the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. Some say you don't have to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to backroll obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra time. Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible on the dried painted surface. There is no comparison between spraying and rolling, except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong with that? No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the crevices with a roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of paint each time, and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal spin of the roller. Do the spray. If you really want to go better from there, check out the elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier sprayer. These will flex and not show the small cracks associated with stucco aging. Just MHO, what do I know? Steve |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"dpb" wrote in message ... Smitty Two wrote: ... What, you're wandering in here with another "paint the stucco' query ... Yeah, I been wonder wots up w/ the recent spate of stucco, too... Don't dare ask what he's intending to put on this stucco abode or do we? :) -- What you mean "WE", white man? |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
On Jul 31, 2:33*pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Tube Audio" wrote in message . .. I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's.. The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted. One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. *He says he can roll but it will take alot longer. *He says that the spray / backroll yields good results. Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better. Is there much of a difference? Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty years. Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into all the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. *Some say you don't have to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to backroll obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra time. Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible on the dried painted surface. *There is no comparison between spraying and rolling, except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong with that? No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the crevices with a roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of paint each time, and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal spin of the roller. Do the spray. *If you really want to go better from there, check out the elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier sprayer. *These will flex and not show the small cracks associated with stucco aging. Just MHO, what do I know? Steve Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds moisture and the paint doesn't last. Very simple.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - do not paint stucco. PERIOD. if you ever do ( with eg. latex exterior paint) breathing ability of stucco will be impaired /suppressed and you will het mold/fungus/dry rot in between stucco and the wall |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
On Jul 31, 2:33*pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:
Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds moisture and the paint doesn't last. Very simple. What is your definition of "long"? I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the original paint still looks fine. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
wrote in message ... On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Tube Audio" wrote in message . .. I have a single story ranch style home that was built in the mid 1950's. The exterior is stucco and I am getting proposals on getting it painted. One of the beter painters in the area tells me that he sprays with a good tip and another person is right behind him to backroll. He says he can roll but it will take alot longer. He says that the spray / backroll yields good results. Another painter tells me that he only rolls and that it is better. Is there much of a difference? Here's an answer from a desert rat that lived in Las Vegas for fifty years. Spraying paint on stucco gives you better penetration and coverage into all the crevices, as stucco is a very uneven surface. Some say you don't have to backroll if you just spray thick, but someone who offers to backroll obviously knows what they are doing and willing to take the extra time. Backrolling also eliminates a lot of overlap lines that are visible on the dried painted surface. There is no comparison between spraying and rolling, except spraying will probably use more paint, but what's wrong with that? No matter what you do, you will not get down into all the crevices with a roller unless you load your roller with about a gallon of paint each time, and you'll lose half of that to gravity and centrifugal spin of the roller. Do the spray. If you really want to go better from there, check out the elastomeric stucco paints, but they take a heavier sprayer. These will flex and not show the small cracks associated with stucco aging. Just MHO, what do I know? Steve Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds moisture and the paint doesn't last. Very simple.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - do not paint stucco. PERIOD. if you ever do ( with eg. latex exterior paint) breathing ability of stucco will be impaired /suppressed and you will het mold/fungus/dry rot in between stucco and the wall ================================================== == Preaching to the choir. To be honest. I never really knew why. All I remember is the stucco houses that had been paint usually didn't hold up well. After some Usenet kooks started to flame me, I looked into it and now it makes perfect sense. It's like painting a sponge. Any water that gets in, and it will, soaks the sponge causing the paint to peel. Also, potentially causing damage to the sub-wall because the paint won't allow the stucco to dry out like it's supposed to after a rain. Anybody that was seen a dark stucco house after a rain would know what I'm talking about. The walls are soaking wet and have to dry out. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Ron" wrote in message ... On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds moisture and the paint doesn't last. Very simple. What is your definition of "long"? I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the original paint still looks fine. ================================================== = Hey Ron. Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years. Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself. http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html Be cool! |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
On Jul 31, 5:32*pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message ... On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds moisture and the paint doesn't last. Very simple. What is your definition of "long"? I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the original paint still looks fine. ================================================== = Hey Ron. Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years. Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself. http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...-Stucco_Walls-... http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html Be cool! Well, I don't know what to say. All I know is, I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, stuccoed and painted and it still looks fine. And, the front of my home is also painted stucco and the original paint (over 20 yrs old) was fine when I repainted my home 2 yrs ago. (paint on block was peeling) I'm in Florida so maybe that's why I'm not having any problems. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Ron" wrote in message ... On Jul 31, 5:32 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... On Jul 31, 2:33 pm, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: Painting stucco is like painting a cement sponge. Which is why it holds moisture and the paint doesn't last. Very simple. What is your definition of "long"? I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, which is stuccoed and the original paint still looks fine. ================================================== = Hey Ron. Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. I just know I'm somewhat correct from seeing 1000's of stucco houses in Central and Southern NM and observing them for several years. Most educated people, where I lived, knew not to paint stucco. Don't get riled. Look at the links and then make a decision for yourself. http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...-Stucco_Walls-... http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html Be cool! Well, I don't know what to say. All I know is, I have a room that was added on 12 yrs ago, stuccoed and painted and it still looks fine. And, the front of my home is also painted stucco and the original paint (over 20 yrs old) was fine when I repainted my home 2 yrs ago. (paint on block was peeling) I'm in Florida so maybe that's why I'm not having any problems. ============================================ My biggest concern would be water. The house I'm in now has eaves all he way around it so the walls stay pretty dry. Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea. Once you've painted stucco you're pretty much stuck with painting. So a stucco recoat would be out of the question. If your walls are getting wet, I'd suspect you're going to have problems eventually with mold and paint peeling. If you have eaves, and the walls stay *dryer*, probably not as much. Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Look above at my response above and these links. I'm tired of bickering. Don't give up now, Billy Boy...you are on the verge of becoming a HERO! Continue your crusade...convince the millions of US homeowners that live in CB houses covered with painted stucco that they screwed up big time...educate the builders that are churning out this stupidity even as we speak. (Maybe talk to a lawyer about a class action suit against the builders. Toss in the building departments that permit this perfidy too). And when you finish the US, learn Spanish and carry your crusade to Mexico, Central America and South of America where there are 10s of millions more - virtually ALL houses - of those painted abominations . By the time you finish there, China will be rich enough to have started stuccoing and will have painted THEIR houses and buildings so study Mandarin at night while you are saving the Hispanic world. No, don't stop, continue - you have found your life's work. Once you become an adult. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what the weather is going to be like tomorrow. Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it? I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy. I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the next year when the yearly rain came. So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las Vegas, New Mexico. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong. Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow? Steve The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier. As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do." |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what
the weather is going to be like tomorrow. Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it? I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy. I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the next year when the yearly rain came. So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las Vegas, New Mexico. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong. Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow? Steve |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
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, "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil. Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and talking about civility? I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption takes longer than fifteen minutes. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what the weather is going to be like tomorrow. Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it? I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy. I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the next year when the yearly rain came. So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las Vegas, New Mexico. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong. Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow? Steve The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier. As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do." Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me. Steve |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Smitty Two" wrote in message ... In article , "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil. Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and talking about civility? I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption takes longer than fifteen minutes. Go back and READ asshole. He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get it asshole? |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what the weather is going to be like tomorrow. Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it? I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy. I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the next year when the yearly rain came. So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las Vegas, New Mexico. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong. Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow? Steve The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier. As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do." Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me. Steve Take it up with these guys: http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html Maybe they will listen to your tale of woe. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Paint ur stucco loser. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
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"Billy Pilgrim" wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote in message ... In article , "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil. Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and talking about civility? I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption takes longer than fifteen minutes. Go back and READ asshole. He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get it asshole? Oh, I don't have to "go back and read," Billy Bob. I did read. And I do remember. Everyone who disagrees, doubts, or questions you is a ****ing asshole idiot. If there's been a flamer in these stucco threads, it's you, in spades. "Get it?" |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Smitty Two" wrote in message ... In article , "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote in message ... In article , "Billy Pilgrim" wrote: Any case good luck. and thanks for being civil. Huh? Did you find jesus overnight? First it was a string of profanity and hostility, now you're saying "don't get riled" to others, and talking about civility? I know some of us have a short attention span, but your new clothes don't fit quite right just yet, Billy Bob. Even on usenet, redemption takes longer than fifteen minutes. Go back and READ asshole. He was civil. The others are flamers who just wanted to put their flame suits on . That includes any idiot that *jumps* into a flame fight. Get it asshole? Oh, I don't have to "go back and read," Billy Bob. I did read. And I do remember. Everyone who disagrees, doubts, or questions you is a ****ing asshole idiot. If there's been a flamer in these stucco threads, it's you, in spades. "Get it?" if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-) |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea. Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"dadiOH" wrote in message .. . Billy Pilgrim wrote: Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea. Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing. -- you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco house with a flat roof. here is a typical one: http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq. Beautiful... You can bet this house will never be painted. :) |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Billy Pilgrim" wrote if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-) And if you continue to write like an 8th grader, that is the way you will be perceived. Steve peace be with u. I'm tired of bickering and ur just looking for a fight. try alt.hvac or that kook one. they love em' |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what the weather is going to be like tomorrow. Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it? I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy. I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the next year when the yearly rain came. So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las Vegas, New Mexico. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong. Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow? Steve The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier. As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do." Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me. Steve Take it up with these guys: http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html Maybe they will listen to your tale of woe. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Paint ur stucco loser. I'm done with you, loser. Into the killfile with you. Steve killfiles are for pussies like you. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message .. . Billy Pilgrim wrote: Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea. Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing. -- you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco house with a flat roof. here is a typical one: http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq. Beautiful... You can bet this house will never be painted. :) I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message .. . Billy Pilgrim wrote: Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea. Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing. -- you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco house with a flat roof. here is a typical one: http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq. Beautiful... You can bet this house will never be painted. :) I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... Billy Pilgrim wrote: "dadiOH" wrote in message .. . Billy Pilgrim wrote: Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea. Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing. -- you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco house with a flat roof. here is a typical one: http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq. Beautiful... You can bet this house will never be painted. :) I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico Then take it up with these guys. http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.htmlmaybe someone here will argue with you. you certainly have plenty of dittoheads that will agree.i'll go with common sense and past experience. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... Billy Pilgrim wrote: "dadiOH" wrote in message .. . Billy Pilgrim wrote: Almost all the stucco houses in NM have no eaves (flat roofs) and the walls get soaked. Probably why painting them is such a bad I idea. Flat roofs? Could you possibly be talking about adobe houses plastered with adobe (mud)? If so, please note that adobe and stucco (portland base) are *not* the same thing. -- you are absolutley right. I'm talking about your standard stucco house with a flat roof. here is a typical one: http://www.drewowensllc.com/html/tierra_madre_rd_.html this is right down the road from where I lived in Abq. Beautiful... You can bet this house will never be painted. :) I wouldn't paint mud either. Stucco, yes; mud, no. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly. Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your rebuttal to them. I have nothing more to say. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote if u dish it out u better be able to take it. :-) And if you continue to write like an 8th grader, that is the way you will be perceived. Steve |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... "Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message ... Egads! Writing in with some questions is like writing in and asking what the weather is going to be like tomorrow. Well, it depends on where you live, doesn't it? I would think the same would apply to the stucco/paint controversy. I can see that in SOME places, the stucco would not dry out in a short enough time to prevent mold. I can see in SOME places, it would NEVER dry out, so it isn't even used in that part of the country. And I did see in SOME places where it dried out an hour after a rain, or at least within a day. And for a long time, it BAKED AND BAKED AND BAKED in the sun until the next year when the yearly rain came. So, who's answer is right? I think the best thing to do is investigate the local practices. What works in Las Vegas, Nevada might not work in Las Vegas, New Mexico. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong. Now, do you think it will rain tomorrow? Steve The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier. As Wilbur Grimly says: "It's the right thing to do." Damn. I guess I didn't see 50 years of people painting stucco and fences houses in Las Vegas, Nevada. Thanks for straightening that out for me. Steve Take it up with these guys: http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html Maybe they will listen to your tale of woe. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Paint ur stucco loser. I'm done with you, loser. Into the killfile with you. Steve |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly. Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your rebuttal to them. OK. I moved them here... http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html He is citing someone that says it encourages dry rot. There is nothing to rot on a masonry house. http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf What about it? The author is explaining lime wash. If someone wants to use it that is fine with me. http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html He is a contractor peddling something; namely..."We use an acrylic, water repellant coating product that is made specifically for cement." IOW, acrylic "varnish". If he put color in his "acrylic, water repellant coating product" he would have a transparent, colored coating. If he put in something opaque too he would have paint. __________________ I have nothing more to say. Promise? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"dadiOH" wrote in message news:EqMkk.8$Pe2.0@fe95... Billy Pilgrim wrote: I'm not sure why but my response to you are not posting correctly. Must be something to do with the packets and the ISPs anyway, I just posted all the old links and I'd be interested in your rebuttal to them. OK. I moved them here... http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...lls-A2557.html He is citing someone that says it encourages dry rot. There is nothing to rot on a masonry house. when you reccomend painting, do you ask if the house is a masonary house? http://www.lime.org/BLG/Mold.pdf What about it? The author is explaining lime wash. If someone wants to use it that is fine with me. It also expalins the difficulties of working with stucco that has been painted. Common problem when people want to get the job done right. http://www.chicagostucco.com/faq.html He is a contractor peddling something; namely..."We use an acrylic, water repellant coating product that is made specifically for cement." IOW, acrylic "varnish". If he put color in his "acrylic, water repellant coating product" he would have a transparent, colored coating. If he put in something opaque too he would have paint. You missed this page http://www.chicagostucco.com/recoat.html __________________ I have nothing more to say. Promise? Only in regards to your rebuttals BTW: I found these websites in a matter of minutes. There is an overwhelming amount of information with regards to stucco. Just think of it this way. Stucco soaks up water. When the stucco gets wet it becomes very hard for the paint to adhere. Of course there are all the other reasons but I grow tired of going over and over them. I'm not being rude it's just the truth. You really don't seem like that bad of a guy. There were a couple of flamers that got involved in this and you stepped in it. Really, if you feel you are right fine. But be aware, there is another side to the story when you give advice. I lived in NM for 40+ years. I've seen 1000 upon 1000 of stucco houses. I've seen them painted and recoated. Recoated ALWAYS looks better and is more professional looking. Sorry. That's just the way it is. Nothing you say is going to change that. :-) |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... The consensus among people with *experience* seems to be DON'T PAINT STUCCO. If it's exterior. It's going to get wet. If you paint it you can't recoat. The cost of recoating isn't that much more than repainting AND you can hire someone to do it. So get a case of beer and watch. If you paint you're much too likely to do it yourself. Plus the recoat looks better and lasts longer. It's a no brainier. I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem with paint adhesion and zero problems with mold. The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling so it requires a lot of prep work. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem with paint adhesion and zero problems with mold. The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling so it requires a lot of prep work. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. I had to sleep on this one. :-) I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also thinking it will stick pretty good provided it stays dry. I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to cement it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to stretch the truth a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to rough stucco texture provided it stays dry. Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it okay to stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate. Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't* 1st) How do I know it will not get wet? 2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of the question. 3rd) Why would you need to recoat? Sub 1. Recoating is more attractive if done right, Sub 2. Much better at repairing cracks and missing stucco Sub 3. Better at restricting mold. (Which may/may-not not be seen) Sub 4. All the other reasons recoating is better. Thanks for not flaming me. I have BP issues I'm constantly monitoring. :-), A flamer's dream! |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"Billy Pilgrim" wrote in message ... I live in a 55 year old painted stucco house. There is zero problem with paint adhesion and zero problems with mold. The wood trim however is a real bitch to paint as it is always peeling so it requires a lot of prep work. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. I had to sleep on this one. :-) I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also thinking it will stick pretty good provided it stays dry. I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to cement it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to stretch the truth a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to rough stucco texture provided it stays dry. Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it okay to stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate. Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't* 1st) How do I know it will not get wet? 2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of the question. 3rd) Why would you need to recoat? Sub 1. Recoating is more attractive if done right, Sub 2. Much better at repairing cracks and missing stucco Sub 3. Better at restricting mold. (Which may/may-not not be seen) Sub 4. All the other reasons recoating is better. Thanks for not flaming me. I have BP issues I'm constantly monitoring. :-), A flamer's dream! My walls get wet both when it rains and when the sprinklers hit. I suspect the problems you are worried about stem from the imitation stucco that was the results of the lawsuits a while back. Stucco has been used as an exterior coating for a long time with great results. The real stucco I am referring to is put on in three coats and ends up about 7/8" thick. The fake stucco is sprayed on and is about 1/8" thick. Crack repair in real stucco can be done if needed, but if the house is built on a good foundation, there is not much reason for it to crack in the first place. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
Billy Pilgrim wrote:
I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also thinking it will stick pretty good provided it stays dry. It sticks even if it doesn't stay dry. ______________ I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to cement it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to stretch the truth a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to rough stucco texture provided it stays dry. 1. Get in a car 2. Drive until you find a concrete highway 3. Look at the road See those lines along the sides and/or middle? That's paint. I have no idea if it is water or oil base paint but either would work. And roads get wet. ____________________ Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it okay to stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate. Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't* 1st) How do I know it will not get wet? With all your concern about "wet" and you living in NM, I'm still wondering if you are actually talking about adobe rather than stucco. Adobe is mud. Mud with sand and an organic material like straw. Mud does not do well with lots of rain. Stucco has a Portland cement base. Stucco laughs at rain. _________________ 2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of the question. Good thing because I, for one, would not want to do so. Either the existing stucco would have to be removed - a horrendous job - or cleaned *really* well. In the latter case, you'd wind up with walls another 3/4" or so thicker. Might be OK, might not. Not if it covers up stuff like hose bibs. I keep thinking you may be talking about cementacious paint when you talk about recoating. It dries hard like stucco but is not stucco - its paint with a cement binder. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Painting exterior stucco spray or roll?
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... Billy Pilgrim wrote: I think (I don't know) that paint will stick to stucco. I'm also thinking it will stick pretty good provided it stays dry. It sticks even if it doesn't stay dry. ______________ I think when Chicago Stucco says paint (latex) doesn't adhere well to cement it really means flat surface cement and they are trying to stretch the truth a bit. My gut tells me paint will adhere fine to rough stucco texture provided it stays dry. 1. Get in a car 2. Drive until you find a concrete highway 3. Look at the road See those lines along the sides and/or middle? That's paint. I have no idea if it is water or oil base paint but either would work. And roads get wet. ____________________ Okay so the obvious question is : If the wall never gets wet is it okay to stucco? e.g.: house with eaves and dry climate. Here, IMHO, I still say *I wouldn't* 1st) How do I know it will not get wet? With all your concern about "wet" and you living in NM, I'm still wondering if you are actually talking about adobe rather than stucco. Adobe is mud. Mud with sand and an organic material like straw. Mud does not do well with lots of rain. Stucco has a Portland cement base. Stucco laughs at rain. _________________ 2nd) Once you paint you're boxed in. Recoating is pretty much out of the question. Good thing because I, for one, would not want to do so. Either the existing stucco would have to be removed - a horrendous job - or cleaned *really* well. In the latter case, you'd wind up with walls another 3/4" or so thicker. Might be OK, might not. Not if it covers up stuff like hose bibs. I keep thinking you may be talking about cementacious paint when you talk about recoating. It dries hard like stucco but is not stucco - its paint with a cement binder. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico yeah, i *don't* buy into the paint not adhering to stucco. I think that's pushing it. but in houses with no eaves you really don't want to paint because the parapet is completely exposed to the elements. i don't think the city uses latex on the roads :) make sure your wall stays dry. |
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replying to Billy Pilgrim, mighty whitey wrote:
Your full of crap stucco houses are painted all the time In las vegas and Ive never heard of the ill effects your spouting. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/constr...oll-14814-.htm |
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