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SteveB wrote:
I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. It's not allowed to be burned in WA State. Check with your local air quality folks. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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According to Cshenk :
"SteveB" wrote We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I've never done it as I've always heard that. I presume the fumes or something? CCA lumber, when burned, generates various arsenic compounds in the air. Including Arsine which is hideously toxic. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. Yes, as long as you arent dealing with a chimney flue and cresote then it's ok. Sparks alot though. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. If I didnt know what was in it, I'd be hesitant. The glues will outgas various things, many of them not altogether good for you. Amounts will vary depending on fire temperature etc. Should not be burned. -- Chris Lewis, Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway.
We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Steve |
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SteveB writes:
What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. |
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Richard J Kinch wrote:
SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. |
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"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Two words I hate: probably and should. Steve |
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"SteveB" wrote We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I've never done it as I've always heard that. I presume the fumes or something? I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. Yes, as long as you arent dealing with a chimney flue and cresote then it's ok. Sparks alot though. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. If I didnt know what was in it, I'd be hesitant. |
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SteveB wrote:
"observer" wrote in message ... Frank wrote: Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Breath deep when you do burn some Frank, enjoy the outdoor fire. Yeah, Frank. As we said in the sixties, "Take a BIG hit!" Steve You asked. Personally, I don't care if you take a running leap at the particle board. Frank |
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"observer" wrote in message ... Frank wrote: Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Breath deep when you do burn some Frank, enjoy the outdoor fire. Yeah, Frank. As we said in the sixties, "Take a BIG hit!" Steve |
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"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob |
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"SteveB" wrote in message I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Burning the pine is OK, just don't cook over it as the food won't taste very good Do NOT burn the particleboard though.. It has potential nasty stuff in it. |
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Ive burned it in my wood furnace and outdoors in my burn barrel. Of
course I dont make a point of standing in the smoke like I would a campfire. On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:12:32 -0500, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. |
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"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. SteveB wrote: "observer" wrote in message ... Frank wrote: Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Breath deep when you do burn some Frank, enjoy the outdoor fire. Yeah, Frank. As we said in the sixties, "Take a BIG hit!" Steve You asked. Personally, I don't care if you take a running leap at the particle board. Frank Your attitude is obvious, Frank. |
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Bob F wrote:
"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. Frank |
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On Nov 8, 9:26 am, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:
Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message ... Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So you see no problem with the _amount_ of binder? There isn't much in natural wood, there is a whole lot in chipboard or any other "manufactured" sheet goods. Harry K |
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Harry K wrote:
On Nov 8, 9:26 am, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So you see no problem with the _amount_ of binder? There isn't much in natural wood, there is a whole lot in chipboard or any other "manufactured" sheet goods. I don't think that's at all what Frank said or intended -- the point is what the chemistry is and what are the _actual_ combustion byproducts produced rather than simply knee-jerk reaction of "bad". -- |
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dpb wrote:
Harry K wrote: On Nov 8, 9:26 am, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So you see no problem with the _amount_ of binder? There isn't much in natural wood, there is a whole lot in chipboard or any other "manufactured" sheet goods. I don't think that's at all what Frank said or intended -- the point is what the chemistry is and what are the _actual_ combustion byproducts produced rather than simply knee-jerk reaction of "bad". -- If you look at wood chemistry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignin and compare to phenolic resin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol_formaldehyde_resin You see a lot of similarity. Both when completely burned give carbon dioxide and water. That's why I say the composite should be as safe to burn as wood. Frank |
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According to Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet:
If you look at wood chemistry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignin and compare to phenolic resin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol_formaldehyde_resin You see a lot of similarity. Both when completely burned give carbon dioxide and water. That's why I say the composite should be as safe to burn as wood. "Completely burned" is the key here. In an open fire, will phenol formaldehyde resin _completely_ burn, or will significant quantities of outgas "escape" without burning. Certainly, in a contained/controlled high temperature furnace, it'll only emit CO2 and water. But an open fire is _very_ different. Most locally available softwoods (especially pine) are essentially entirely non-toxic. You can eat it - you can't digest it, but it won't poison you. Phenols and formaldehyde are toxic. Phenols are also known to have relatively high decomposition temperatures. Takes quite a bit to get bakelite to "properly" burn, and in open air the burn isn't even remotely "clean". You don't want to be near burning bakelite (particle board is essentially wood fibers in a bakelite matrix by implication of that link). I've encountered overheated/scorched/burned bakelite in electrical equipment. It ain't just CO2 and water by a long shot. -- Chris Lewis, Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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On Nov 7, 3:06 pm, "SteveB" wrote:
I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Steve It's obvious that you've already made up your mind about which answers are acceptable to you. Why'd you bother asking in the first place? It burns readily. No, smoke is not good to breathe (duh). The level of pollution it makes may or may not be acceptable to you. Are we done? |
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"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. I could be wrong, but the EPA seems to agree with me. "Never burn ocean driftwood, plywood, particle board, or any wood with glue on or in it. They all release toxic chemicals when burned." http://www.epa.gov/woodstoves/healthier.html Bob |
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On Nov 8, 2:37 pm, "Bob F" wrote:
"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message m... Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. I could be wrong, but the EPA seems to agree with me. "Never burn ocean driftwood, plywood, particle board, or any wood with glue on or in it. They all release toxic chemicals when burned." http://www.epa.gov/woodstoves/healthier.html Bob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Snort. NEVER burn DRIFTWOOD or ANY wood with glue ON it? Oh brother. It sure makes the EPA sound like alarmist ninnies. If I'm ever coming down with hypotheria, I'll be sure not to burn driftwood because the EPA says so. Never means never. :) |
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"Frank" wrote Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. I think the issue is he doesnt know if it was treated for exterior uses or not. Case of 'if in doubt, throw it out'. I found it intriguing that another uses such in his furnace. I imagine all vapors vent outside so this might be sorta 'ok'? |
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On Nov 8, 3:13 pm, mike wrote:
On Nov 8, 2:37 pm, "Bob F" wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message m... Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. I could be wrong, but the EPA seems to agree with me. "Never burn ocean driftwood, plywood, particle board, or any wood with glue on or in it. They all release toxic chemicals when burned." http://www.epa.gov/woodstoves/healthier.html Bob- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Snort. NEVER burn DRIFTWOOD or ANY wood with glue ON it? Oh brother. It sure makes the EPA sound like alarmist ninnies. If I'm ever coming down with hypotheria, I'll be sure not to burn driftwood because the EPA says so. Never means never. :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you want to take it to rediculous extremes which is not the intent of EPA. In emergencies, almost anything goes and they won't object. Harry K |
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On Nov 8, 11:09 am, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:
dpb wrote: Harry K wrote: On Nov 8, 9:26 am, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote: Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message news:A92dnQ1oELkwya_anZ2dnUVZ_uHinZ2d@comcast. com... Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So you see no problem with the _amount_ of binder? There isn't much in natural wood, there is a whole lot in chipboard or any other "manufactured" sheet goods. I don't think that's at all what Frank said or intended -- the point is what the chemistry is and what are the _actual_ combustion byproducts produced rather than simply knee-jerk reaction of "bad". -- If you look at wood chemistry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignin and compare to phenolic resin:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenol_formaldehyde_resin You see a lot of similarity. Both when completely burned give carbon dioxide and water. That's why I say the composite should be as safe to burn as wood. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Assuming (and you are incorrect, it does give off other vapors) it only gives off water vapor and CO2 you must not care about the green house effect. Both affect it. Burning wood _in the long run_ (pay attention to that) is carbon/water vapor neutral. If not burned it puts out the same amount when it decays. So what is different about particle board? The great excess amount of the binders which is not carbon neutral. Harry K |
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According to Cshenk :
"mike" wrote If I'm ever coming down with hypotheria, I'll be sure not to burn driftwood because the EPA says so. Never means never. :) I was kinda wondering about the driftwood.... I can't see a reason to not use it unless it's on the edge of a chemical dump or something. I did a bit of googling, and saw: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/air/particulates/rwssabi.html The more significant rationale seems to be that driftwood on ocean beaches is laden with salt. Entirely aside from the mentioned potential of dioxin/furan production, chlorine ions and heat will accelerate the corrosion of metal stove or venting systems, and aren't terribly good to be downwind of either. But they're unlikely to get too terribly bent out of shape if it's an emergency to avoid freezing to death. -- Chris Lewis, Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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On Nov 9, 12:35 pm, "Cshenk" wrote:
"mike" wrote If I'm ever coming down with hypotheria, I'll be sure not to burn driftwood because the EPA says so. Never means never. :) I was kinda wondering about the driftwood.... I can't see a reason to not use it unless it's on the edge of a chemical dump or something. I have often wonderd about it myself. Of course there are the various salts that were absorbed while it was immersed but would there be enough to cause a problem? Corrosion problem in the chimney stack? Harry K |
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According to Cshenk :
"Chris Lewis" wrote The more significant rationale seems to be that driftwood on ocean beaches is laden with salt. Entirely aside from the mentioned potential of dioxin/furan production, chlorine ions and heat will accelerate the corrosion of metal stove or venting systems, and aren't terribly good to be downwind of either. Snicker, ok. I'd not burn it inside but it seems strange that something i can drop in my fishtank (goldies) would harm me if burned. I'll bet that you don't put driftwood fresh off a sal****er beach in with the goldfish... Presuming by "goldie" you mean goldfish. I don't know how tolerant of salt goldfish are. Some tropical fish aren't tolerant of salt at all. I'd hope you wouldn't throw it in without at least rinsing it first. How many people rinse their firewood? ;-) -- Chris Lewis, Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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"mike" wrote If I'm ever coming down with hypotheria, I'll be sure not to burn driftwood because the EPA says so. Never means never. :) I was kinda wondering about the driftwood.... I can't see a reason to not use it unless it's on the edge of a chemical dump or something. |
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"Chris Lewis" wrote I was kinda wondering about the driftwood.... I can't see a reason to not use it unless it's on the edge of a chemical dump or something. I did a bit of googling, and saw: http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/air/particulates/rwssabi.html The more significant rationale seems to be that driftwood on ocean beaches is laden with salt. Entirely aside from the mentioned potential of dioxin/furan production, chlorine ions and heat will accelerate the corrosion of metal stove or venting systems, and aren't terribly good to be downwind of either. Snicker, ok. I'd not burn it inside but it seems strange that something i can drop in my fishtank (goldies) would harm me if burned. |
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"Harry K" wrote I was kinda wondering about the driftwood.... I can't see a reason to not use it unless it's on the edge of a chemical dump or something. I have often wonderd about it myself. Of course there are the various salts that were absorbed while it was immersed but would there be enough to cause a problem? Corrosion problem in the chimney stack? Chris mentins corrrosive salts in the air which could be a problem with metal works. Obviously not a problem with outdoor burning. |
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"Chris Lewis" wrote The more significant rationale seems to be that driftwood on ocean beaches is laden with salt. Entirely aside from the mentioned Snicker, ok. I'd not burn it inside but it seems strange that something i can drop in my fishtank (goldies) would harm me if burned. I'll bet that you don't put driftwood fresh off a sal****er beach in with the goldfish... No, I soak it for 3-5 days in 2-3 changes of water. Presuming by "goldie" you mean goldfish. I don't know how tolerant of salt goldfish are. Some tropical fish aren't tolerant of salt at all. Godifish are very tolerant of salt water. I'd hope you wouldn't throw it in without at least rinsing it first. How many people rinse their firewood? ;-) Dunno but i doubt it's a prob,em when having a clamfest on the beach. |
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"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message ... Bob F wrote: "Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Richard J Kinch wrote: SteveB writes: What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Exterior grade products are typically glued with phenol-formaldehyde resins, meaning that combustion products involve some really nasty chemicals. Probably no worse chemicals than the wood itself. I'd burn it. Here's a guy without a clue. Bob Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. Frank I don't need to "address" the ****ing issue. I just asked what people thought and said that I thought it wasn't a very good idea. I asked for input. One does that when seeking knowledge. That is, unless the person already knows everything. Not pointing anyone out in particular, mind you. Steve |
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"Bob F" wrote Not clueless. I'm a retired chemist. If wood is typically bound with phenol resins, there is no harm in burning and combustion products are no worse than burning pure wood. If it contains preservatives such as arsenicals or chlorinated compounds or flame retardants of a similar nature, it is best land filled. OP and some respondents are not addressing issue. I could be wrong, but the EPA seems to agree with me. "Never burn ocean driftwood, plywood, particle board, or any wood with glue on or in it. They all release toxic chemicals when burned." http://www.epa.gov/woodstoves/healthier.html Bob Now, Bob. What does the EPA know compared to Frank? Steve ;-) |
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Yeah, Frank. As we said in the sixties, "Take a BIG hit!" Steve You asked. Personally, I don't care if you take a running leap at the particle board. Frank Yes, I asked, and I think you were incapable of giving a short answer that covered the simple questions asked. I think you had to delve into your overeducated brain and begin a dissertation on the subject. Next time, just keep it simple and answer the questions. BTW, would contact caused by a running leap be equal to inhaling the vapors of the burning particle board? Just wondering, so I thought I'd ask Mr. Know It All. Steve |
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"mike" wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 7, 3:06 pm, "SteveB" wrote: I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Steve It's obvious that you've already made up your mind about which answers are acceptable to you. Why'd you bother asking in the first place? It burns readily. No, smoke is not good to breathe (duh). The level of pollution it makes may or may not be acceptable to you. Are we done? Yeah. We're done. Was it good for you? Steve |
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SteveB wrote:
"mike" wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 7, 3:06 pm, "SteveB" wrote: I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Steve It's obvious that you've already made up your mind about which answers are acceptable to you. Why'd you bother asking in the first place? It burns readily. No, smoke is not good to breathe (duh). The level of pollution it makes may or may not be acceptable to you. Are we done? Yeah. We're done. Was it good for you? Steve Thanks, Steve, your responses to me and others proves my opinion of you is correct. Frank |
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"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. SteveB wrote: "mike" wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 7, 3:06 pm, "SteveB" wrote: I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Steve It's obvious that you've already made up your mind about which answers are acceptable to you. Why'd you bother asking in the first place? It burns readily. No, smoke is not good to breathe (duh). The level of pollution it makes may or may not be acceptable to you. Are we done? Yeah. We're done. Was it good for you? Steve Thanks, Steve, your responses to me and others proves my opinion of you is correct. Frank Frank, you have NO idea how that makes me feel. Steve |
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On Nov 11, 4:21 am, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:
SteveB wrote: "mike" wrote in message oups.com... On Nov 7, 3:06 pm, "SteveB" wrote: I think I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. We have lumber scraps left over from construction. Some are pine odd lengths, some treated pine, and a bunch of particle board. I know NOT to burn treated lumber. I THINK that untreated regular pine will burn fine in our backyard fire pit. What about particle board? I know it has glues in it, and think it probably should go to the landfill, but thought I'd ask youse guys. Steve It's obvious that you've already made up your mind about which answers are acceptable to you. Why'd you bother asking in the first place? It burns readily. No, smoke is not good to breathe (duh). The level of pollution it makes may or may not be acceptable to you. Are we done? Yeah. We're done. Was it good for you? Steve Thanks, Steve, your responses to me and others proves my opinion of you is correct. Frank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Seems you (individual) have a poor opinion of him. Odd that the unanimous opinion of everyone in this thread agree about you. Harry K |
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