[J.Lef]

I wrote a post a few weeks ago, about getting a cordless impact wrench
for my vehicles, as a back injury overseas, has made things difficult for
me.
I wound up with the dewalt 12v, 1/2 inch unit.
I have had very positive results.
The formerly useless rusted on lugs are finally free.
I heavily sprayed once again some wrench brand penetrating fluid.
I waited about ten minutes, and banged each lug a few times, and
repeated the lubrication liquid again.
I waited another five minutes and tried to free with a cross bar
wrench, with a long section of pipe for leverage.
No dice.
I put a regular sized 21mm impact socket on the impact wrench and applie the
trigger at first slowly. Nothing going on.
I pressed the trigger down all the way, and applied a bit of forward
pressure, and after about four or five seconds the lug zipped all the way
out.
Okay I said, lets see what happens.
All the other lugs came out the same, with the exception of one lug. I
changed to a deep socket and that did the trick.
I cleaned off all the exposed metal, and using the wrench, gave a light
tightening for a half second, and tighented to specs using a manual torque
wrench.
I am glad I got the wrench.
I went to rotate the tires on my xterra(which I could do with a regular lug
wrench), but using the impact, saved me a lot of wear and tear and time on
my back, and was a joy to use.
Net effect, I made a good decision and the tool, proved to get the job
done.
I leave the wrench in the trunk of the car, and will change the
battery out every month.

Much regards

[mm]

On Thu, 10 May 2007 00:59:34 GMT, "J.Lef" wrote:

I wrote a post a few weeks ago, about getting a cordless impact wrench
for my vehicles, as a back injury overseas, has made things difficult for
me.
I wound up with the dewalt 12v, 1/2 inch unit.
I have had very positive results.
The formerly useless rusted on lugs are finally free.

I don't think I realized there were already lugs this was needed for.
I thought you were just planning for some occasion in the future.

I'm glad you're happy with what you got. I know that feeling and it's
a good one.

[Jim Yanik]

"J.Lef" wrote in news:W7u0i.10847$XG1.506@trndny07:

I wrote a post a few weeks ago, about getting a cordless impact
wrench
for my vehicles, as a back injury overseas, has made things difficult
for me.
I wound up with the dewalt 12v, 1/2 inch unit.
I have had very positive results.
The formerly useless rusted on lugs are finally free.
I heavily sprayed once again some wrench brand penetrating fluid.
I waited about ten minutes, and banged each lug a few times, and
repeated the lubrication liquid again.
I waited another five minutes and tried to free with a cross
bar
wrench, with a long section of pipe for leverage.
No dice.
I put a regular sized 21mm impact socket on the impact wrench and
applie the trigger at first slowly. Nothing going on.
I pressed the trigger down all the way, and applied a bit of
forward
pressure, and after about four or five seconds the lug zipped all the
way out.
Okay I said, lets see what happens.
All the other lugs came out the same, with the exception of one
lug. I
changed to a deep socket and that did the trick.
I cleaned off all the exposed metal, and using the wrench, gave a
light
tightening for a half second, and tighented to specs using a manual
torque wrench.
I am glad I got the wrench.
I went to rotate the tires on my xterra(which I could do with a
regular lug wrench), but using the impact, saved me a lot of wear and
tear and time on my back, and was a joy to use.
Net effect, I made a good decision and the tool, proved to get
the job
done.
I leave the wrench in the trunk of the car, and will change
the
battery out every month.

Much regards




With a 12V unit,I wonder if you could get or make an adapter to use the car
battery for power? (use a heavy 2 wire zip cord;14 or 12 ga.)

then you don't have to worry about charged battery packs.

BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT good
for your battery packs.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

[dpb]

On May 9, 7:59 pm, "J.Lef" wrote:
....
I wound up with the dewalt 12v, 1/2 inch unit.
I have had very positive results.
....
I put a regular sized 21mm impact socket on the impact wrench and applie the
trigger at first slowly. Nothing going on.
I pressed the trigger down all the way, and applied a bit of forward
pressure, and after about four or five seconds the lug zipped all the way
out.
Okay I said, lets see what happens.
All the other lugs came out the same, with the exception of one lug. I
changed to a deep socket and that did the trick.
....

As a note -- as you observed, loosening a tight/corroeded fastener w/
an impact wrench there's nothing to be gained by going gentle -- it's
the torque and impact together that make the tool effective so
minimizing either essentially is the same as nothing. I suspect the
socket deep/standard had nothing to do w/ the result but instead a
case of "first time got it ready for the second". It is important to
make sure you have impact-rated sockets, however (I note you mention
that at least once, but just for emphasis)...

Nice to know it was strong enough...

[Steve B]

Have any of you seen the Milwaukee clip on the race car? The little foreign
car comes in for a tire change. They take one tire off, and put a new one
on. They spin the lug nut with the Milwaukee ..... WHAM! ........ the car
entirely flips backwards and lands on its roof. Surely computer generated,
but looks real as hell. I have it in my archives, but don't know if it's
still up anywhere on the net. The guy I got it from got it from an Italian
site. If you want it, I could forward it.

Steve

[clifto]

Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT good
for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold environments aren't
good for battery storage (or use) as concerns most battery types.

--
Boycott KFC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...10/nkfc110.xml

[Jim Yanik]

clifto wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT
good for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold environments
aren't good for battery storage (or use) as concerns most battery
types.


Which do you think is worse?? (WRT storage)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

[clifto]

Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT
good for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold environments
aren't good for battery storage (or use) as concerns most battery
types.

Which do you think is worse?? (WRT storage)

I think cold beyond a certain temperature (which is cell-type dependent)
makes the battery more feeble than heat while it's being used. I have
the curves somewhere for a few battery types but not at my fingertips.
For storage without use I don't think there's a big difference, but hot
would take a little more out of it.

--
Boycott KFC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...10/nkfc110.xml

[Jim Yanik]

clifto wrote in :

Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT
good for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold environments
aren't good for battery storage (or use) as concerns most battery
types.

Which do you think is worse?? (WRT storage)

I think cold beyond a certain temperature (which is cell-type dependent)
makes the battery more feeble than heat while it's being used. I have
the curves somewhere for a few battery types but not at my fingertips.
For storage without use I don't think there's a big difference, but hot
would take a little more out of it.


Cold will slow the chemical reaction and cause moisture to condense on the
cells,but high heat increases the chem reaction,meaning faster self-
discharge(the cells get deeper-discharged faster),AND the high heat will
affect the cell seals. Plastics degrade in high heat.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

[clifto]

Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote in :

Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT
good for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold environments
aren't good for battery storage (or use) as concerns most battery
types.

Which do you think is worse?? (WRT storage)

I think cold beyond a certain temperature (which is cell-type dependent)
makes the battery more feeble than heat while it's being used. I have
the curves somewhere for a few battery types but not at my fingertips.
For storage without use I don't think there's a big difference, but hot
would take a little more out of it.

Cold will slow the chemical reaction and cause moisture to condense on the
cells,but high heat increases the chem reaction,meaning faster self-
discharge(the cells get deeper-discharged faster),AND the high heat will
affect the cell seals. Plastics degrade in high heat.

That's why I found it pretty amazing to see how battery output declines
so rapidly below certain cell-dependent temperatures. I could have pictured
lots of degradation at temperatures where the electrolyte congeals or
freezes, but that doesn't seem to have anything to do with what the
curves show.

If you're thinking about battery life and physical condition rather than
electrical capacity, then I would suppose heat is worse (unless we talk
about extreme temperatures where things get strange).

--
Boycott KFC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...10/nkfc110.xml

[Jim Yanik]

clifto wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote in
:

Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140
degF.,NOT good for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold
environments aren't good for battery storage (or use) as concerns
most battery types.

Which do you think is worse?? (WRT storage)

I think cold beyond a certain temperature (which is cell-type
dependent) makes the battery more feeble than heat while it's being
used. I have the curves somewhere for a few battery types but not at
my fingertips. For storage without use I don't think there's a big
difference, but hot would take a little more out of it.

Cold will slow the chemical reaction and cause moisture to condense
on the cells,but high heat increases the chem reaction,meaning faster
self- discharge(the cells get deeper-discharged faster),AND the high
heat will affect the cell seals. Plastics degrade in high heat.

That's why I found it pretty amazing to see how battery output
declines so rapidly below certain cell-dependent temperatures. I could
have pictured lots of degradation at temperatures where the
electrolyte congeals or freezes, but that doesn't seem to have
anything to do with what the curves show.

If you're thinking about battery life and physical condition rather
than electrical capacity, then I would suppose heat is worse (unless
we talk about extreme temperatures where things get strange).


Well,WRT heat inside an auto,my main worry would be the NiCd/NiMH battery
discharging and not being useable when I needed it.
Lithiums have a wider temp tolerance,and far lower self-discharge,I've
read.(at a higher cost)

Also,since any rechargable cell has some average of charge/discharge cycles
for it's lifetime,the more often you have to recharge the battery,the
shorter it's lifetime,and the sooner it's capacity dwindles.

that's why I suggested an adapter,to enable using the impact driver with
the car's 12V lead-acid battery,always ready.(and hi-capacity,too!)
No need to worry if the driver is charged,or have it die right when you
need it most. Sure,then you have a "corded" driver,but what's the big deal?
you can keep your NiCd/NiMH packs home in reasonable temps.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

[mm]

On Sat, 12 May 2007 16:56:16 -0500, clifto wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT
good for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold environments
aren't good for battery storage (or use) as concerns most battery
types.

Which do you think is worse?? (WRT storage)

I think cold beyond a certain temperature (which is cell-type dependent)
makes the battery more feeble than heat while it's being used. I have
the curves somewhere for a few battery types but not at my fingertips.
For storage without use I don't think there's a big difference, but hot
would take a little more out of it.

When it is cold, does using the battery warm it up and restore the
voltage etc?

[clifto]

mm wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2007 16:56:16 -0500, clifto wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
clifto wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
BTW,hot environments discharge battery packs faster than normal.
Like the inside of a car on a sunny day easily gets to 140 degF.,NOT
good for your battery packs.

Not that it matters this time of year, but really cold environments
aren't good for battery storage (or use) as concerns most battery
types.

Which do you think is worse?? (WRT storage)

I think cold beyond a certain temperature (which is cell-type dependent)
makes the battery more feeble than heat while it's being used. I have
the curves somewhere for a few battery types but not at my fingertips.
For storage without use I don't think there's a big difference, but hot
would take a little more out of it.

When it is cold, does using the battery warm it up and restore the
voltage etc?

To an extent, and it would depend on current (and thus also wattage)
being used from the battery. I'm mentally picturing NiCd batteries in
a not-high-current use and thinking an armpit is more appropriate.
I have had people tell me they get good results on cold days with car
batteries by turning on the headlights for 30 seconds before starting
the car; haven't really had to try it myself.

--
Boycott KFC
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...10/nkfc110.xml