[Mike]

Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

Thanks

[Lawrence]

On Apr 1, 9:50 am, "Mike" wrote:
Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

Thanks

Any available rat poison will do the job. The stuff I buy comes in
little packets so you don't have to handle the poison. Dont put it
right in the middle of their tunnel since it might spook them. Rather
dig a small hole off to the side with a trowel. Insert poison.

Poison is just plain mean. I only poison when there is damage to a
building or if they get in the house. I don't like to use it but I do
since it is the most effectve method.

What type of problem are they causing? Have you seen any in the
house? If they are not in the house and are not causing an actual
problem then you should consider leaving them alone. After all, you
can't poison every mouse in the county and when these are dead others
will move in soon enough.

[Lar]

Mike wrote:
Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

Thanks



Place an outdoor bait station baited with any bait block should work
fine. Keeping stations baited outside can help reduce the outdoor
population which as it grows can become the indoor problem later.

Lar

[mm]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:50:53 GMT, "Mike" wrote:

Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

Dog food.

There should be a lot available at big discounts now.

Thanks

[HeyBub]

Mike wrote:
Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

It's not always "Better Living Through Chemistry."

Think cat.

Check out "Towser," the mouser-in-chief at the Glennturrent Distillery.
Caught 28,989 mice (plus a few rats and an occassional rabbit) in her 23
years of service.

[Lar]

HeyBub wrote:
Mike wrote:

Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?


It's not always "Better Living Through Chemistry."

Think cat.

Check out "Towser," the mouser-in-chief at the Glennturrent Distillery.
Caught 28,989 mice (plus a few rats and an occassional rabbit) in her 23
years of service.


Along with countless numbers of song birds and small
reptiles...sometimes it best to try a more selective approach.

Lar

[Mike]

"Lawrence" wrote in message
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On Apr 1, 9:50 am, "Mike" wrote:
Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

Thanks

Any available rat poison will do the job. The stuff I buy comes in
little packets so you don't have to handle the poison. Dont put it
right in the middle of their tunnel since it might spook them. Rather
dig a small hole off to the side with a trowel. Insert poison.

Poison is just plain mean. I only poison when there is damage to a
building or if they get in the house. I don't like to use it but I do
since it is the most effectve method.

What type of problem are they causing? Have you seen any in the
house? If they are not in the house and are not causing an actual
problem then you should consider leaving them alone. After all, you
can't poison every mouse in the county and when these are dead others
will move in soon enough.

Somehow they are getting into the house and nesting in the ceiling.
I warm weather they stay outside.

[Mike]

"Lar" wrote in message
...

Place an outdoor bait station baited with any bait block should work fine.
Keeping stations baited outside can help reduce the outdoor population
which as it grows can become the indoor problem later.

I'll pick up some next time I'm at HD.

[Mike]

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

It's not always "Better Living Through Chemistry."

Think cat.

Check out "Towser," the mouser-in-chief at the Glennturrent Distillery.
Caught 28,989 mice (plus a few rats and an occassional rabbit) in her 23
years of service.

Cool but I'm not home very much and don't want a cat to have free rein (read
destroy) of my place.

[HeyBub]

Lar wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Mike wrote:

Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete
steps. What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for
poison?


It's not always "Better Living Through Chemistry."

Think cat.

Check out "Towser," the mouser-in-chief at the Glennturrent
Distillery. Caught 28,989 mice (plus a few rats and an occassional
rabbit) in her 23 years of service.


Along with countless numbers of song birds and small
reptiles...sometimes it best to try a more selective approach.

I can find no report of Towser ever bothering a songbird. It is admitted she
sometimes captured a pheasant. As for reptiles, that would be a plus -
unless, of course, you wanted to kiss each one first in the hopes that it
might be a princess.

[Lar]

HeyBub wrote:
Lar wrote:

HeyBub wrote:

Mike wrote:



I can find no report of Towser ever bothering a songbird. It is admitted she
sometimes captured a pheasant. As for reptiles, that would be a plus -
unless, of course, you wanted to kiss each one first in the hopes that it
might be a princess.


Towser hunted mice inside a distillery. You had suggested using the cat
for an outside problem, where song birds will be found. There are 75
million pet cats in the US and supposedly the majority of them are
allowed outside so if just 37.5 million of those cat only caught one
bird a year that would be over 37 million birds killed annually. Not to
mention the millions of feral cats to boot. ---Instead of a princess I'd
settle for someone to clean up the cat crap out of the flower beds.

Lar

[Steve]

"Mike" wrote in message
news:hFPPh.3795$P84.2323@trnddc07...
Hi, mice or rats have burrowed under the front porch concrete steps.
What can I do to get rid of them? Any recommendations for poison?

Thanks

Yeah don't use it unless you like the smell of rotting rodent coming from
inside your walls. It will haunt you for months everytime it gets good and
damp.

[HeyBub]

Lar wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Lar wrote:

HeyBub wrote:

Mike wrote:



I can find no report of Towser ever bothering a songbird. It is
admitted she sometimes captured a pheasant. As for reptiles, that
would be a plus - unless, of course, you wanted to kiss each one
first in the hopes that it might be a princess.


Towser hunted mice inside a distillery. You had suggested using the
cat for an outside problem, where song birds will be found. There
are 75 million pet cats in the US and supposedly the majority of them
are allowed outside so if just 37.5 million of those cat only caught
one bird a year that would be over 37 million birds killed annually.
Not to mention the millions of feral cats to boot. ---Instead of a
princess I'd settle for someone to clean up the cat crap out of the
flower beds.

Ah, okay. Except I'm not sure regarding the part about Towser hunting inside
a distillery. It would be difficult for a rabbit or pheasant to get
inside....

Nevertheless, songbirds are a menace and should be culled. The world is
still worried about Avian Flu breaking out and killing 20% of the population
and songbirds are an obvious vector. Besides, they make an awful racket.

If someone wants a songbird, they could get a canary.

As for 37 million birds killed annually, that, regretably, is only a drop in
the bucket. And it's only the dumb birds, who don't know how to avoid cats,
that get caught.

And regarding the cat poop, it's not necessary to remove it from the flower
bed. First, most cats cover their deposits. Second, cat poop (unlike dog
droppings) IS a useful fertilizer.

Feral cats, I admit, are a problem. With enough diligence, feral cats CAN be
eliminated as was done during the Middle Ages when cats were thought to be
the familiars of witches and handmaidens of Satan. 'Course this led to the
rampage of the Black Death - spread by rodents - and the death of 30% of the
population.

[mm]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:11:22 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:


Second, cat poop (unlike dog
droppings) IS a useful fertilizer.

Why is there a difference? Why isn't dog poop good as fertilizer?

[HeyBub]

mm wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:11:22 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:


Second, cat poop (unlike dog
droppings) IS a useful fertilizer.

Why is there a difference? Why isn't dog poop good as fertilizer?

http://www.extension.umn.edu/project...e-dog-cat.html

'Course the author is an alarmist regarding cat deposits...

[mm]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:21:58 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

mm wrote:
On Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:11:22 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:


Second, cat poop (unlike dog
droppings) IS a useful fertilizer.

Why is there a difference? Why isn't dog poop good as fertilizer?

http://www.extension.umn.edu/project...e-dog-cat.html

Thanks.

Good to know.

I tend to a friend's golden retriever for 2 or 3 weeks every year, and
after I fixed my fence several years ago, I stopped walking her and
just let her use my little townhouse end-of-group yard.

I avoid the deposits for weeks or months, until the rain or snow makes
them disappear, and there are no pregnant women here or kids, so I
guess I'm pretty safe, but based on this webpage, I'll continue
avoiding the stuff not just for aesthetics but for health.

'Course the author is an alarmist regarding cat deposits...

The other choice is to go outside my yard and then apparently I'm
supposed to pick up after her. If she were only a smaller dog, maybe.
But I don't know how to make her smaller.

BTW, she doesn't obey me as much as she used to, and I gather it might
be because I don't walk her or exercise dominion over her. But the
convenience, esp. in the winter, of just opening the door and letting
her go out, is worth it. I wish she would spend more time outside,
enjoying herself, but she usually is ready to come back in as soon as
she is done. This time I'll walk her more because she's too dumb to
get exercise on her own. The yard is small but it would be big enough
for her to run around in. Although when I walk her she finds terrible
things to eat.

[HeyBub]

mm wrote:
Why is there a difference? Why isn't dog poop good as fertilizer?

http://www.extension.umn.edu/project...e-dog-cat.html

I tend to a friend's golden retriever for 2 or 3 weeks every year, and
after I fixed my fence several years ago, I stopped walking her and
just let her use my little townhouse end-of-group yard.

I avoid the deposits for weeks or months, until the rain or snow makes
them disappear, and there are no pregnant women here or kids, so I
guess I'm pretty safe, but based on this webpage, I'll continue
avoiding the stuff not just for aesthetics but for health.

'Course the author is an alarmist regarding cat deposits...

The other choice is to go outside my yard and then apparently I'm
supposed to pick up after her. If she were only a smaller dog, maybe.
But I don't know how to make her smaller.

BTW, she doesn't obey me as much as she used to, and I gather it might
be because I don't walk her or exercise dominion over her. But the
convenience, esp. in the winter, of just opening the door and letting
her go out, is worth it. I wish she would spend more time outside,
enjoying herself, but she usually is ready to come back in as soon as
she is done. This time I'll walk her more because she's too dumb to
get exercise on her own. The yard is small but it would be big enough
for her to run around in. Although when I walk her she finds terrible
things to eat.

Terrible for you and me, lovely for a dog. A dog's digestive system is
completely unfazed by biological nastiness. The canine's stomach fluids are
made up of digestive liquids approximating fuming Nitric acid.

My granny used to describe something otherwise indescrible in its unusual
awfulness as:

"Something the cats drug in the dog wouldn't have."

[[email protected]]

?Although when I walk her she finds terrible
things to eat.

thats the trouble with poision, mouse eats poision gets ill, dog sees
and eats mouse, now dog is ill, big vet bill later your lucky if dog
is OK.

Outside people should leave wildlife of all types alone.

indoors is different.

[Lar]

wrote:
?Although when I walk her she finds terrible

things to eat.


thats the trouble with poision, mouse eats poision gets ill, dog sees
and eats mouse, now dog is ill, big vet bill later your lucky if dog
is OK.

Outside people should leave wildlife of all types alone.

indoors is different.



An animal will need to eat 5%-10% of it's body weight in the common
rodent toxins before treatment is considered advisable. For a 25 pound
dog that would be eating 20-40 one ounce bait blocks or 56-112 mice that
had just been feeding exclusively on the rodent bait.

Lar


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On Apr 3, 9:22?am, Lar wrote:
wrote:
?Although when I walk her she finds terrible

things to eat.

thats the trouble with poision, mouse eats poision gets ill, dog sees
and eats mouse, now dog is ill, big vet bill later your lucky if dog
is OK.

Outside people should leave wildlife of all types alone.

indoors is different.

An animal will need to eat 5%-10% of it's body weight in the common
rodent toxins before treatment is considered advisable. For a 25 pound
dog that would be eating 20-40 one ounce bait blocks or 56-112 mice that
had just been feeding exclusively on the rodent bait.

Lar

---
to email get rid of the BUGS

doesnt take that much to make a dog or cat ill.......

take a klook at all the recalled pet food, the amount of rotecide
appeared small, it was hard to detect yet its kiiling animals nation
wide

[Lar]

wrote:
On Apr 3, 9:22?am, Lar wrote:

wrote:

?Although when I walk her she finds terrible

things to eat.

thats the trouble with poision, mouse eats poision gets ill, dog sees
and eats mouse, now dog is ill, big vet bill later your lucky if dog
is OK.

Outside people should leave wildlife of all types alone.

indoors is different.

An animal will need to eat 5%-10% of it's body weight in the common
rodent toxins before treatment is considered advisable. For a 25 pound
dog that would be eating 20-40 one ounce bait blocks or 56-112 mice that
had just been feeding exclusively on the rodent bait.

Lar

---
to email get rid of the BUGS


doesnt take that much to make a dog or cat ill.......

take a klook at all the recalled pet food, the amount of rotecide
appeared small, it was hard to detect yet its kiiling animals nation
wide


If you take another look they are now saying the poisoning came from
wheat glutton tainted with a plastic additive called melamine in
concentrations as high as 6.6%. If it was the rodenticide as first
reported, not sure it would still be accurate to compare to the commonly
found rodenticides used by the public here. With aminopterin not being
registered to be used in the US I can't say if it is an acute acting
toxin or not.

Lar